1 00:00:00,654 --> 00:00:02,674 [music] 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:09,840 I'm George Galloway, member of 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:13,200 parliament, anti-war leader, and this 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:15,679 broadcast is being made by Malaka Media. 5 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:18,560 But you could feed back at me on what 6 00:00:15,679 --> 00:00:21,920 I've got to say on Twitter at George 7 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:25,359 Galloway on Facebook. The page is called 8 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:28,320 George Galloway MP. I've just come back 9 00:00:25,359 --> 00:00:31,599 from Tunisia. I was only there a couple 10 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:35,520 of days, so I can't claim to have seen 11 00:00:31,599 --> 00:00:38,879 everything or everybody. But I saw and 12 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:42,640 heard and learned enough to know that 13 00:00:38,879 --> 00:00:45,680 Tunisia is the flower of the Arab 14 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:49,280 Revolution, the only flower that has 15 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:52,640 grown and is still growing in the Arab 16 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:55,840 Spring. The credit for that goes to a 17 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:59,440 lot of people. First of all, it goes to 18 00:00:55,840 --> 00:01:01,680 the Tunisian people as a whole who 19 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:05,600 conducted their revolution with 20 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:08,960 exemplary discipline and determination. 21 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:13,040 It also goes to the political leadership 22 00:01:08,960 --> 00:01:16,320 of that revolution. I was for many years 23 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:20,320 here in London, a comrade of Sheikh 24 00:01:16,320 --> 00:01:23,360 Rashid Ganushi who was an exile here and 25 00:01:20,320 --> 00:01:26,479 who had no reason to imagine that he 26 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:30,080 would ever go home. But he patiently 27 00:01:26,479 --> 00:01:33,360 developed an ideological stance here in 28 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:37,920 Britain and a strategic sense of the 29 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:41,040 need for people like him to unify broad 30 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:43,439 forces in their country in order to 31 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:46,960 bring about a transformation from 32 00:01:43,439 --> 00:01:49,280 dictatorship to democracy. I'm very 33 00:01:46,960 --> 00:01:53,680 proud of my friendship with Sheikh 34 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:58,479 Rashid Ganushi. He when he returned led 35 00:01:53,680 --> 00:02:01,600 his party Ina to a very substantial 36 00:01:58,479 --> 00:02:05,280 electoral victory. But they gave up 37 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:09,280 office when it became clear that things 38 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:12,560 were rocky in the garden of the Tunisian 39 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:17,120 revolution and that in order to preserve 40 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:21,599 unity and stability, a step back by him 41 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:25,520 and a na was necessary. And so I take my 42 00:02:21,599 --> 00:02:29,520 hat off to Sheikh Rashid Ganushi for the 43 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:32,879 current situation in Tunisia which is 44 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:36,959 just for those who don't know a bustling 45 00:02:32,879 --> 00:02:40,239 revolutionary society where people can 46 00:02:36,959 --> 00:02:43,040 speak and assemble freely where a 47 00:02:40,239 --> 00:02:45,760 proliferation of newspapers, radio 48 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:50,160 stations, television stations are 49 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:53,840 literally the uh the expression 50 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:56,879 of chairman Ma Tong's famous phrase that 51 00:02:53,840 --> 00:03:00,319 a revolution is one in which a thousand 52 00:02:56,879 --> 00:03:03,840 flowers must grow and that a thousand 53 00:03:00,319 --> 00:03:06,000 schools of thought must contend. It 54 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:09,040 wasn't entirely lived up to in 55 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:12,000 revolutionary China but so far at least 56 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:14,640 it is being lived up to in Tunisia. 57 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:18,159 There is a political space there, a 58 00:03:14,640 --> 00:03:21,440 civic society there, a freedom there 59 00:03:18,159 --> 00:03:24,080 that doesn't exist anywhere else in the 60 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:27,680 Arab world with the possible exception 61 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:31,599 of Lebanon, which is as always a bit of 62 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:34,239 a special case. But I'm not here to talk 63 00:03:31,599 --> 00:03:36,480 about Lebanon. I'm here to talk about 64 00:03:34,239 --> 00:03:38,879 Tunisia. [snorts] There are other 65 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,720 political forces, of course, who have 66 00:03:38,879 --> 00:03:43,360 played their role. The interim 67 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:46,480 president, Marzuki, who is currently one 68 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:49,599 of the last two candidates running to be 69 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:53,360 the elected president of the republic, 70 00:03:49,599 --> 00:03:57,360 also must take a lot of the credit. He 71 00:03:53,360 --> 00:04:00,879 has helped to create this island of 72 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:04,480 stability whilst still going through a 73 00:04:00,879 --> 00:04:09,840 revolutionary process in Tunisia. and 74 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:11,760 Sepsi, the one who leads the coalition 75 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:15,519 which includes people on the left, 76 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:18,959 people amongst nationalist uh uh uh 77 00:04:15,519 --> 00:04:21,199 schools of thought and I'm sorry to say 78 00:04:18,959 --> 00:04:24,639 people from the old regime, the old 79 00:04:21,199 --> 00:04:27,040 dictatorship uh of uh Ben Ali, the 80 00:04:24,639 --> 00:04:31,199 president who was overthrown in the 81 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:34,400 first of the Arab revolutions. Sebi won 82 00:04:31,199 --> 00:04:37,840 the elections not by a vast amount but 83 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:40,479 clearly he leads the leading party in 84 00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:43,199 the state in the parliament. He could 85 00:04:40,479 --> 00:04:45,919 have if he was like some other Arab 86 00:04:43,199 --> 00:04:49,600 leaders he could have said that he was 87 00:04:45,919 --> 00:04:52,639 going to rule alone. But he has learned 88 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:55,759 from Sheikh Rashid Ganushi that leading 89 00:04:52,639 --> 00:04:59,759 alone unless you have absolutely 90 00:04:55,759 --> 00:05:02,800 enormous hegimmonic support in a country 91 00:04:59,759 --> 00:05:05,440 is not going to work. So he has declared 92 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:07,680 that he is ready to work with the 93 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:11,039 opposition and include them in the 94 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:15,120 politics of the state. I have never met 95 00:05:11,039 --> 00:05:17,919 Marzuki or CSI. I have no personal acts 96 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:20,639 to grind against any of them or any 97 00:05:17,919 --> 00:05:24,000 particular preference for either of 98 00:05:20,639 --> 00:05:27,360 them. Though I must say that Marzuki's 99 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:30,400 views on many things, including Syria, 100 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:32,960 are not my own. But nonetheless, I'm 101 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:35,199 hoping that Marzuki wins the 102 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:38,240 presidential runoff which is taking 103 00:05:35,199 --> 00:05:40,320 place in just a couple of weeks time. 104 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:42,639 I'm hoping that he will win because I 105 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:45,919 think that he more authentically 106 00:05:42,639 --> 00:05:49,680 represents the revolutionary spirit of 107 00:05:45,919 --> 00:05:53,360 the people of Tunisia. I think that 108 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:56,960 Sebi, a figure from the old regime, from 109 00:05:53,360 --> 00:06:01,600 the old dictatorship, is not really the 110 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:03,280 man who can best lead Tunisia into the 111 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:06,800 postrevolutionary 112 00:06:03,280 --> 00:06:10,479 future. There are too many dangers in, 113 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:13,440 as we've seen in Egypt, an old regime 114 00:06:10,479 --> 00:06:16,800 coming back. In Egypt, we have the 115 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:20,479 frankly absurd situation since my last 116 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:24,000 broadcast that the old dictator Mubarak 117 00:06:20,479 --> 00:06:26,639 has been cleared of all charges whilst 118 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:30,000 the actual president of Egypt, President 119 00:06:26,639 --> 00:06:33,919 Morsy, is on trial for his life and 120 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:38,080 being held in dark and dank conditions. 121 00:06:33,919 --> 00:06:41,120 I'm not comparing Sebi with the new 122 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:44,080 regime in Egypt. I've already said I 123 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:46,880 think that Sebi has displayed a deafness 124 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:49,360 and a sophistication in his political 125 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:52,080 approach that's quite different from 126 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:54,479 that which exists elsewhere in the Arab 127 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:57,039 world. Nonetheless, I think that a 128 00:06:54,479 --> 00:07:00,800 figure from the old regime of Ben Ali 129 00:06:57,039 --> 00:07:03,759 cannot possibly be the best of the two 130 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:05,840 candidates running in this election. 131 00:07:03,759 --> 00:07:08,479 Neither of these two candidates of 132 00:07:05,840 --> 00:07:11,759 course is an Islamist. Neither of them 133 00:07:08,479 --> 00:07:15,280 are supporters of Sheikh Rashid Ganushi. 134 00:07:11,759 --> 00:07:19,039 So this is not about an Islamist versus 135 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:21,680 a secularist. They are both secularists. 136 00:07:19,039 --> 00:07:25,039 They are both people who accept the 137 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:30,160 verdict of the Tunisian people and their 138 00:07:25,039 --> 00:07:32,960 revolution. So I'm aiming this broadcast 139 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:35,840 at the many people in Tunisia by the 140 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:37,919 grace of God who listen to me. Tunisia 141 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:40,560 is the second biggest country in the 142 00:07:37,919 --> 00:07:43,520 whole world amongst my followers of 143 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:47,120 almost 1 million people on social media. 144 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:50,960 Tunis is after London the second biggest 145 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:53,759 city of my followers on social media. 146 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:57,599 And I'm aiming this message at them. I'm 147 00:07:53,759 --> 00:08:01,039 aing it I'm aiming it at men of the left 148 00:07:57,599 --> 00:08:04,960 like me. I'm aiming it of supporters of 149 00:08:01,039 --> 00:08:09,120 the idea of Arab national unity like 150 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:11,759 myself. And to them I say that Marzuki 151 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:14,560 has to be the better of the two 152 00:08:11,759 --> 00:08:17,759 candidates. Neither of them is bad. 153 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:20,240 Neither of them is overwhelmingly good. 154 00:08:17,759 --> 00:08:24,160 But you have a choice between candidate 155 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:27,199 A and candidate B. And I'm here to say 156 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:30,400 to you that if like me you are a 157 00:08:27,199 --> 00:08:33,120 progressive in politics, if like me you 158 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:35,120 are a leftist in politics, if like me 159 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:38,959 you support the idea of Arab 160 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:41,519 nationalism, then the man best able to 161 00:08:38,959 --> 00:08:44,560 lead Tunisia in a way which will 162 00:08:41,519 --> 00:08:47,839 preserve the space not just for those 163 00:08:44,560 --> 00:08:50,800 schools of thought but respect the other 164 00:08:47,839 --> 00:08:53,600 schools of thought all of whom must be 165 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:56,399 allowed to contend. end. If the goals of 166 00:08:53,600 --> 00:09:01,760 the Chunisian revolution are to be 167 00:08:56,399 --> 00:09:01,760 maintained, you should vote for Marzuki.