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the general election 2015 on BBC Radio

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leads and BCB 106.6 FM welcome to the

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die house Gallery in the Lista building

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at Bradford College from its Origins as

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you would expect as a die house it's now

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a gallery currently hosting an

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exhibition of work by local artists

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depicting everyday scenes from Bradford

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it's a fitting venue for today's debate

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on firsttime voters both young and old

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how to engage them in politics and how

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to get the 182 million people who didn't

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vote at the last election to make their

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choice count I'm Richard stead and with

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me this evening from Bradford Community

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broadcasting is AWA alari evening good

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evening I'm in the audience today and as

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would you expect at Bradford College

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there are a lot of young voters and a

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few older firsttime voters and a few

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who've seen it done it and even got the

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T-shirt we've been asking people here in

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West Yorkshire what if anything is

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firing them up about general election

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2015 the general election 2015 on BBC

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Radio leads and bcv 106.6 FM election no

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one told me about elections how old are

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you 19 so you're allowed to vote well

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I've heard a few things here and there

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but I thought it was just like the

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hustings and juny and those elections my

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name is Justin I'm from West Yorkshire

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Bradford and basically I decided not to

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vote on the basis that I don't feel that

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the MPS or the politicians are have any

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interest in actually doing the job all

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their policies they they leave them

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behind and they just focus on getting

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their own bonuses and putting

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corporations into power in the UK 6.8

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million 18 to 24 year olds are eligible

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to vote you're a powerful force to be

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reckoned with but a huge amount of this

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power isn't being used the number of you

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voting has been low in recent elections

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but if more of you turn out this time

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there are enough of you to create a

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massive swing for one of the parties I'm

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Myra I live in whipy and I've been

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voting for 60 years and the reason why

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I'm voting is I think we all should not

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just men all women all everybody that's

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old enough to vote wants to vote hi I'm

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Josie I'm from badford West and I'm

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going to be a firsttime voter I'm 18 and

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I'm voting because I think that if you

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don't vote or at least turn up and spoil

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your ballot then you can't complain

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about anything and I feel like I've got

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quite a lot to complain about and

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probably will next government and all hi

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I'm Zoe I'm from I'm 19 so I'm a first

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time voter I'm voting because I want to

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think that my vote counts and I can make

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a difference the general election 2015

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on BBC Radio leads and BCB 106.6 FM so

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time to meet our panel of candidates

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across parties and constituencies in

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alphabetical order standing for the

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conservatives in Batley and Spen M as a

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mean is a solicitor he's previously

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stood for his party in Blackburn against

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the then foreign minister Jack STW the

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respect candidate is George Galloway

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once a labor MP now leader of respect

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who has been an MP first in Bethel green

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and bow and most recently as MP for

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2012 the lib demam on our panel is Ed

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Sanderson another solicitor he's

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standing in the Leeds East constituency

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and for labor Nas sha Naz is a women's

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rights campaigner who has been selected

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to stand in Bradford West for her party

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ladies and Gentlemen please welcome the

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panel bcb's AA alari is in the audience

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this evening for us AA are they all

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behaving themselves so far I think so

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yeah we've got audience as far as the

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eye can see and everyone is ready to

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engage um healthfully in this debate so

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um and we're going to move into our

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first questioner who is MTAR Ali from

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Bradford MTAR Ali just a bit of a

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background is an activist from Bradford

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uh and he was former labor counselor who

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left the labor party uh on the back of

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the Iraq War MTAR Ali what is your

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question to the panel today with

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the um growing discontent disconnect and

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mistrust with the political system and

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politicians in this country what would

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you do to engage and Empower Comm all

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communities in our society so that this

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can be an inclusive

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Society so the question is this connect

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between political Elite and the general

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public thank you very much we'll let

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George Galloway take that one first well

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you have to say what you mean and mean

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what you say and if you are a politician

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like that you will get a response but if

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people know that you are just a kind of

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human pager who passes on a line which

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is different from the line yesterday and

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will be different from the line tomorrow

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if you're just an automaton who will be

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a sheep going through the lobby of the

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House of Commons you're not likely to

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excite much uh in the way of enthusiasm

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you are a good example uh you like me

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were in the labor party for decades and

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you left I was expelled because of a

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crime so gigantic that it's strange now

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looking back at it 12 years on a million

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dead people on and Iraq and Syria and

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Yemen and Bahrain and Libya most

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noteworthy in the news today all of them

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in flames in a kind of disaster and that

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was done by politicians it was done by

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labor politicians who with George W bush

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formed the most grotesque Coalition in

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all history the Blair Bush gang and of

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course uh it's not only labor the reason

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why students are unlikely to save Nick

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CLE uh in his constituency in Sheffield

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is that he signed in blood that there

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would be H an abolition of tuition fees

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instead there was a tripling of tuition

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fees so you have to say what you mean

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mean what you say I firmly believe that

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people are not apathetic about politics

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they're apoplectic about the pathetic

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nature of the political class with some

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exeptions let's get nasha's thoughts on

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that in answer to your question about

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how to engage I'm not a career

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politician I'm an activist by background

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and I still continue to be that and I

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and I absolutely Endeavor to continue to

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do that work in the community regardless

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of the election I and I think that

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speaks volumes when you actually engage

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with people on the ground when you

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actually work with families with young

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people with older people you know I

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chare mental health charity I've done

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lots of work in the community on other

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levels I think that engagement has to be

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meaningful you have to be able to sit

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with people and talk to them and I think

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politicians there's an air of you're

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different to us and I think for my part

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and the my play the part that I'm going

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to play is about real engagement as part

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of the community and I think that's

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really very different I think people you

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know you can have empathy but to be be

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able to relate to people you people need

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to find connecting things that connect

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you with them and I think I have a lot

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of that so that's how I do it using my

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Community Development background Ed

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Sanderson give us a lib Den view well

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the libdem tradition has always been

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based in community politics um and and

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listening to to voters concerns on a

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community level um and I think there's

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been a perception amongst all parties

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politicians and political class don't

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listen to voters um it's not that voters

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aren't interested in politics or

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political issues because of course

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everything that affects um voters from

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the amount of money that in their back

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pocket every month to the state of the

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environment to the transport system

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clearly affects them it's just that

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politicians aren't seem to be able to

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listen or want to engage or speak the

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same almost the same languages as they

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do so public politicians need to return

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to be Servants of the people and that

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means doing the right thing for voters

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and I think all parties need to learn

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from that uh uh from across the

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political divide M as a me I think

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there's a disconnect because there are

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fewer and fewer conviction politicians

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nowadays uh than there was say perhaps

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even 20 years ago so if if you go back

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to for example the late 80s and you had

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whether you liked her or disliked her

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you had someone like margarth thater you

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knew exactly what she stood for on the

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left you knew exactly what labor party

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stood for and at the moment what's

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happened and it's partly because fewer

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and fewer people are voting that all the

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political parties are targeting the same

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group of Voters so so we often hear the

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center ground is the where is where all

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the votes are and all the parties are

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pitching to a smaller and smaller number

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of Voters because they feel that that

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group of Voters will swing the election

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and the reason that group of Voters will

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swing the election is because the wi the

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public is not voting and unless

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everybody decides and takes the view

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that regardless of which party I vote

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for I am going to go and vote you will

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continue to have this type of targeting

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of Voters using fancy software and every

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party has

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as far as empowerment is concerned it's

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one thing saying we have to listen to

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the public we have to engage with the

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public these are cliches we hear on a

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regular basis empowerment will only take

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place when the issues that are relevant

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to the public are discussed by

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politicians so for example to in in in

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in where we are um you had a with George

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Galloway you had a very surprising

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result a few years ago because the

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language being spoken appealed to a

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certain number of Voters

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and I think it's the same message across

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the board regardless of which party

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political background you come from if a

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politician speaks your language deals

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with the issues that are important to

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you you will engage with that politician

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but it's a two-way process you can't

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continue to say oh the politicians don't

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listen they don't engage politicians do

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listen they do engage but it is a

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two-way process where the public has to

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say this is what's important to me what

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are you going to do about it just like

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to uh get a show of hands actually on a

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couple of points raised there I know the

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fact that you're all at a political

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debate shows some kind of connection to

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politics but is there anybody in the

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room who does feel particularly

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disconnected with politics at the moment

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we'll let a come in and ask you why uh

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yeah I am dis I feel disconnected I've

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been voting for over 50 years

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now and in all that time the politics

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people to vote it's actually confused

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them because what is in what is in there

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for the young youngsters

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nowadays is nothing thank thank you very

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much any of the panel want to agree

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disagree I I would uh make the point

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that the clear winner of the sort of

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presidential style debates that we've

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had has been Nicholas sturgeon of the

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Scottish national party a party that

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stands only in Scotland uh which is

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standing therefore uh for the breakup uh

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of Britain and yet she's taken the

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debates by storm why because of the

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pathetic nature the three cheeks of the

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same backside of the mainstream parties

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and because she's given them a spanking

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on television and it's really set the

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whole thing a light now don't get me

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wrong I hope she comes a Cropper but the

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reality is she shown up the other

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politicians because she's the only one

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there saying scrap nuclear weapons spend

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the money at home we need it spent on

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our Health Service stop bailing out the

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bankers spend the money at home our

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pensioners need to be kept warm in the

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winter time stop this austerity it's

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killing us it wasn't us that caused the

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crisis it was the bankers what did I get

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getting billions I just want to get the

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other uh other people's points of view

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on how their leaders have performed in

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the various interviews and debates that

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we've seen Ed you seem very keen assess

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Nick CLE for us well Nick CLE of course

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wasn't invited to the last opposition

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debates he's been in would those debates

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would debate I I I thought he he

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performed very well where I would agree

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with George I mean this is different

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from ideology I think where Nicholas

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sturgeon has performed very well is

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increasing the membership of the S SMP

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and seeing that as very important in the

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political process now clearly I don't

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agree with their ideologies but I what I

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think all the establishment parties

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could do better and and include the

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liberal Democrats in this is is using

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voters and involving them more within

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the political party itself and the

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political process itself and you see the

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reason the S&P have become so successful

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and they're making great stads

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particularly in labor heartlands there's

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a high chance you may actually see more

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conservative Scottish seats in the next

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after the general election than labor

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seats we never thought we'd say that is

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because that that the S&P have at least

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and I say I don't agree with a lot of

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their policies have at least been able

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to identify that voters want to

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participate in the political process

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themselves now that doesn't mean running

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for election that means getting involved

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in membership and getting involved in

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policy now the liberal Democrats do get

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our members involved in policy but um I

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I think we could we could as a party do

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a better job in terms of getting people

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involved and terms of becoming I want to

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keep this on the party leaders just for

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now because I want to talk about David

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Cameron and uh I will get uh Mt Asam

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mean's thoughts on how David Cameron has

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performed so far I think he performed

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very well I mean it's easy in opposition

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for someone like Nicholas sturgeon to

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say I want x y and Zed 190 billion of

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uncosted um commitments it's it's a lot

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more difficult when you have a record to

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defend and especially that record it's a

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good record I I I it it is a good record

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unemployment is down by uh we've got

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we've increased employment by 2.2

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million more jobs have been created in

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Yorkshire more more jobs have been

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created in Yorkshire than the whole of

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France and we have spent 8 billion

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pounds more uh We've we've we've

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actually spent 12 billion pounds more on

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the NHS in the last 5 years we have a

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good record um the economy was in an

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absolute mess uh 5 years ago150 billion

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pound of deficit it's all well and good

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saying we now well it's all well and

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good saying that we don't want any

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austerity but how do you continue to

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spend at the rate that the labor party

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was spending and expect to fund your

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public services so I think what David

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Cameron has said in the debate and what

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he said on the interviews is absolutely

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100% correct we had a job to do we've

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done that we're in the right direction

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and we need to continue in that uh with

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with with the economic plan that we're

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on okay uh Nasha EDM Ed I'd beg to

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differ on the economy tell us about Ed

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Mand I I think Ed milland's going pretty

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well and I think from a leadership

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perspective I mean I I spent the

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afternoon I was very privileged to spend

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the afternoon with Ken Livingston who

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came up to support me yesterday

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afternoon and his words were since John

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Smith he's the best leader we've had

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from a leadership perspective I think

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he's he's absolutely on top form I also

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disagree with um you know for every four

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jobs you've got in London we've only got

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one up in the north so that's absolutely

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statistically correct so we haven't we

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got those jobs in we haven't got them up

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in the north in Yorkshire and I I don't

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think that Devolution has happened and

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it's not on your far long your your way

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off Mark in terms of meeting your

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economic plan because you're three years

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off it you said you'd meet the deficit

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in five years continue to tell us about

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Ed Miller Band we'll try and revisit

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that particular statistic later but as

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far as he is performing in these debates

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and he's coming across I think he's

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coming across pretty very congruent he's

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coming across as a strong leader it's

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exactly what the labor party needs to

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take us through

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2015 you're listening to BBC Radio leads

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I'm Richard Ste from BBC Radio leads and

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I'm Ahad Mari here from BCB

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106.6 FM where the audience have just

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questioned the panel and our next

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question is from adri Azar from Halifax

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who is a freelance actor and is 30 years

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old uh the main question I want to ask

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is how are you going to be able to help

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um obviously communities to engage

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together as a whole um obviously for

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young voters to come forward and vote

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when there's a lot obviously going on in

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the world itself at the moment Ed

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Sanderson well in particularly in terms

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of young voters one of our policies is

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to um exchange the franchise to um 16 um

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we think that's very important in terms

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of getting um we've seen how successful

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it was in the Scottish referendum how

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many 16 to 17 year olds voted um we

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think if you're old enough to um get

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married to to pay tax to to to have sex

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and to join the Army should be allowed

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to vote um and you know service have

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shown that if you are engaged at 16 and

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17 that continues to the ages of 18 and

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24 which is the key issue I think our

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electoral system needs to change I think

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if people realize that their vote counts

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for more and we have a proportional

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system they're more likely to vote as

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well if you vote for for if you vote in

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a safe seat there's no entitlement to

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vote so that's in terms of citizenship I

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think that's very important but I think

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that's a lifelong commitment that we

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need to make um I think more money

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should be ring fence and giv to local

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councils to improve adult lifelong um

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ideas of citizenship as well um and

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Leadership again it's this question i'

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we repeat uh the answer i' repeat before

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um all political parties and the media

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as well have a role in promoting the

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positive impacts at politicians and and

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the public service make in general but

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also um but also um listening more to

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voters and and and and workers groups as

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well let's find out what labor are doing

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to engage Nasha in terms of citizenship

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I think we we agree and I agree with um

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Ed in terms of lowering the voting age I

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think it's absolutely right that young

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people use their voice I think it's

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absolutely right if they're paying their

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taxes they should be entitled to have

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that civic participation I think there's

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a task to be done to strengthen

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communities strengthen young people's

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education in terms of political

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engagement and I think from a leadership

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perspective let's be clear leadership is

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on every single seat leadership isn't

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about top down it's about creating you

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know a good leader creates more leaders

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and we have leaders in our schools we

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have leaders amongst our young people

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the Future Leaders and and the future

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lies in the hands of our young people I

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think it's absolutely imperative on a

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personal level I will be very very

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actively engaged looking engaging with

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young people in terms of democracy why

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are we not giving those young people

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that right why are we not at the moment

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if we were in power we would be one of

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the first things we would be doing is

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lowering that voting age and rightfully

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so I think we're going to have a bit of

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a debate on the actual lowering of a

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voting age in just a moment uh George

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Galloway on engagement well look we've

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got a parliament for full of expenses

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thieves some of whom should have gone to

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prison but went instead back to their

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cabinet positions we have a political

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class under a cloud of Suspicion of the

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darkest most vile kind establishment

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coverups of foul perverse crimes we have

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a political leadership that has led us

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into one war

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after another David Cameron with Ed mban

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support bombed Libya to bits and the

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Italian Navy are now having to fish the

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pieces out of the Mediterranean Sea how

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can you engage with people when that's

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the quality of the political leadership

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that you have been giving them the

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crimes of Blair were bigger of course

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but longer ago although he's still

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around of course and my film the

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killings of Tony Blair will be premiered

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in this very city of Bradford in a month

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or two from now but the political

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leadership in Britain is simply

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incapable of rising to the challenge

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that faces our people our people are

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atomized you talk about a community but

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there's actually now no British

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Community we have people who are

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deliberately setting out to divide us on

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the basis of color on the basis of Faith

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people seeking votes by dredging the

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Battle of prejudice against Muslims for

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example Trojan horses Trojan hoaxes

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every kind of racist filth is dredged up

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by the British media in support of this

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or that part of the political class how

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do I engage though gent said well let me

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tell you the gentleman in the second row

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said said we need a peaceful revolution

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in this country that's exactly what we

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need we need to throw out these

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political charlatans and get real change

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George thank you um inamine

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conservatives how do we engage with

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voters um can I just say that answer

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probably explains why we have a

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Detachment with politics when you

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brandish every politician as corrupt or

544
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as an expense Thief you you do yourself

545
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no favors there are there are

546
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there are people who are doing a lot of

547
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,720
good work in Parliament and to call them

548
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all and and group them and say that

549
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:11,279
they're all a bunch of crooks and it

550
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does the politics and the system no

551
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favors the way you engage with people

552
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and and uh especially young voters

553
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firsttime voters a person who's 16 or 17

554
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needs to understand that they're going

555
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to go University then they're going to

556
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be looking for a job then they'll be

557
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looking for a home it is they have to

558
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take some individual responsibility it's

559
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all well and good saying well no the

560
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system doesn't work for us and we're not

561
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interested if you are looking for a

562
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career if you're looking to buy your own

563
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home if you're looking to get involved

564
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in your own Community you can do that by

565
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getting involved in the political

566
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process it's all it's all it's easy to

567
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detach yourself saying well they're all

568
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the same no one makes any difference

569
00:22:47,679 --> 00:22:50,480
well you can make a difference get

570
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involved make a difference well let's

571
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get someone who maybe is who's going to

572
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be a firsttime voter this time around

573
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May 7th who's going to be voting for the

574
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first time oh go go speak to one and

575
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just ask how connected they feel well

576
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the first hand I saw going up was here

577
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,799
so what's your name sir my name's n how

578
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connected do you feel as a firsttime

579
00:23:08,799 --> 00:23:13,000
voter um yeah so far definitely like

580
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there's been plenty in the media about

581
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it that's why I'm getting most of my

582
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information but um in terms of Bradford

583
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West which is constituency in that the

584
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candidates are pretty much on the ground

585
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and I've met a few of them already and

586
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gotten gotten their side of it so I I

587
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feel fairly connected but also you know

588
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I I this is my first election that I've

589
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been able to vote in here uh I do have

590
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an interest in politics so I am going

591
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out and trying to find out information

592
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thank you Nile you're listening to BBC

593
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Radio leads we're at Bradford College's

594
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die house gallery for the second of our

595
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,880
election debates it's on firsttime

596
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voters and how we engage people in

597
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politics ahead of the general election

598
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2015 our panel all candidates for their

599
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respective parties in West Yorkshire at

600
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the general election are just to remind

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you Nash sha for labor Ed Sanderson Li

602
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liberal Democrats George gall away

603
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respect and empty as a mean from the

604
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conservatives let's take another

605
00:24:03,559 --> 00:24:09,120
question from the floor please so our

606
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next question is by siman hi I'm siman

607
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I'm a member of the UK youth Parliament

608
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uh my question is uh politicians preach

609
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a lot about equality they preach about

610
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Justice and they preach about Liberation

611
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uh can you tell me why your party is

612
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still denying the vote to 16 and 17 year

613
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olds but not in terms of including it in

614
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,559
the manifesto but the time is taking to

615
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pass it through Parliament because it's

616
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a campaign that's been running for three

617
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years and it really should have been and

618
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it's just by now if I can just put that

619
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as a direct question firstly to NAS sha

620
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NZ would you support lowering the voting

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age to 16 absolutely I feel strongly

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that young 16 178 year olds should be

623
00:24:40,799 --> 00:24:46,279
able to vote I think for now if somebody

624
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turned 18 in in after the 7th of May

625
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they'd have to wait 5 years to vote in

626
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,720
the general election I think that's

627
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,080
absolutely absurd I think if you can tax

628
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,919
people then why shouldn't they be part

629
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,520
of the decision-making process of who

630
00:24:54,919 --> 00:24:58,520
runs our councils and who runs our

631
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,640
country I think it's absolutely right

632
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young people should be allowed to vote

633
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and we will lower the voting age if we

634
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are successful as a government Mt as

635
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aine if elected would you support

636
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:10,919
lowering the voting age to 16 uh I'm I'm

637
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not convinced that I've not heard any

638
00:25:10,919 --> 00:25:15,840
strong arguments to say say that um a

639
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,720
16y old should be allowed to vote um

640
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,360
just because you pay tax I mean people

641
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,080
do part-time work when they're 12 are we

642
00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:23,080
going to say that um are we going to

643
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,840
allow them to vote so I I don't I don't

644
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:27,799
think that I've heard a convincing

645
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:31,320
argument yet to support to support the

646
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lowering of um uh uh uh the voting age

647
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to 16 at the moment it's 18 you go to

648
00:25:34,279 --> 00:25:38,120
university I think it's a it's an age

649
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where you get engaged in the political

650
00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:42,480
process I'm quite happy to to leave the

651
00:25:40,399 --> 00:25:44,640
voting age at 18 George Galloway do you

652
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:47,720
support lowering the voting age to 16

653
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:49,880
well we wouldn't want MTR to uh link the

654
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:52,240
right to vote with the paying of taxes

655
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:57,159
cuz that would rule a lot of your Chums

656
00:25:52,240 --> 00:26:00,240
uh in the city out of uh of the voting

657
00:25:57,159 --> 00:26:00,240
uh process

658
00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:06,520
you can get married you can join the

659
00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:09,240
Army you can work you can leave school

660
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:12,960
you can work and pay tax at the age of

661
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16 you should now you should always have

662
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:20,720
been able to vote at

663
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16 Ed Sanderson liberal Democrat would

664
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:25,279
you support lowering the vo in age to 16

665
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,960
well mtz's answers just summed up the

666
00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:28,720
frustration we had because if it wasn't

667
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,320
for the conservatives opposition it

668
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,320
would already have been policy under

669
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:34,360
this coalition government couldn't the

670
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,840
libdems have done that anyway um well we

671
00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:38,600
we pushed very hard but we were blocked

672
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,960
by the conservatives um you know it was

673
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it was it was something we really would

674
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:45,960
have wanted to push through but they dug

675
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:48,440
their heels in um you know we we we

676
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:52,279
tried but but we we couldn't we couldn't

677
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:54,279
do it unfortunately um so yes I mean

678
00:26:52,279 --> 00:26:56,320
it's been our policy for for for for

679
00:26:54,279 --> 00:26:58,880
decades to have votes of 16 for for the

680
00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:01,760
reasons that for reasons given um

681
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:04,000
already I I think no taxation without

682
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,760
representation is is is is a centuries

683
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,159
old philosophy and it should apply in

684
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:10,679
the UK as well and this is this is this

685
00:27:08,159 --> 00:27:14,640
is almost this Catch 22 situation you've

686
00:27:10,679 --> 00:27:17,360
got to have a democracy to to increase

687
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voter voter interest and V thank you

688
00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:20,520
yeah so that's I in fact just give me a

689
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,640
moment because I want to bring the

690
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,559
audience in because I think you've all

691
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:26,760
had you say on whether it should be

692
00:27:23,559 --> 00:27:28,360
lowered to 16 so 3 to one on the panel

693
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:31,279
let's have a show of hands who would

694
00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:34,960
lower the voting age to 16 in our

695
00:27:31,279 --> 00:27:37,600
audience and who wouldn't so an

696
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:39,320
overwhelming majority it is fair to say

697
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,720
in the audience here in Bradford this

698
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:44,519
evening would support lowering the

699
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:46,960
voting age to 16 um simran do you want

700
00:27:44,519 --> 00:27:48,320
to just come back on on that soon as you

701
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:51,000
asked the question on what you've heard

702
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,799
from from our panel um well I think in

703
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,279
terms of my point of view because as the

704
00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:56,000
UK youth parament we've been campaigning

705
00:27:54,279 --> 00:27:57,559
on campaigning on this issue for three

706
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,360
years and the conservatives really need

707
00:27:57,559 --> 00:28:02,919
to open their because 60 and 70 old are

708
00:28:00,360 --> 00:28:04,399
labeled as immature as irresponsible and

709
00:28:02,919 --> 00:28:06,159
look how many young people are here

710
00:28:04,399 --> 00:28:08,960
today I I definitely don't see this as a

711
00:28:06,159 --> 00:28:09,960
sign of disengagement or so I I

712
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,100
definitely think that conservatives

713
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,519
really need to open their

714
00:28:11,100 --> 00:28:15,640
[Applause]

715
00:28:12,519 --> 00:28:18,159
eyes siman Jan do with that question

716
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,880
there if if those who put their hands up

717
00:28:18,159 --> 00:28:22,640
could keep their hands up again we've

718
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:24,760
got a hand up here why do you think it's

719
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:27,120
important that the voting age should be

720
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:29,559
lower to 16 um if you're going to

721
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:31,399
University 16 and 17 year olds they're

722
00:28:29,559 --> 00:28:33,600
the ones who are applying for University

723
00:28:31,399 --> 00:28:35,840
surely if the 16 and 17 year olds had a

724
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:38,679
voice the conservatives would hear that

725
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:40,440
voice um and if they had the vote maybe

726
00:28:38,679 --> 00:28:42,840
there would have been a strong push for

727
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:45,200
the lib Dems and their Tory Chums to not

728
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:47,760
raise the uni fees thank you you're

729
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:50,360
listening to BBC Radio leads it's our

730
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:52,760
election debate here in Bradford this

731
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,840
evening questions from the floor as we

732
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:57,760
discuss engagement young and old

733
00:28:54,840 --> 00:29:00,679
firsttime voters ahead of the 7th of May

734
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:02,440
and the general election 2015 and let's

735
00:29:00,679 --> 00:29:05,720
get our next question now please to move

736
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:08,159
us on our so our next question is by

737
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,880
Mike Brown Mike Brown is a civil servant

738
00:29:08,159 --> 00:29:12,200
from Bradford and Mike if you could ask

739
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:14,200
your question please he uh what could be

740
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,760
achieved if the MPS of West Yorkshire

741
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,559
work together to help the region what

742
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,080
could be achieved if the MPS of West

743
00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:23,279
Yorkshire work together to help the

744
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:25,519
region George Galloway well I pledged my

745
00:29:23,279 --> 00:29:28,360
backing to Jerry sutliffe my

746
00:29:25,519 --> 00:29:31,840
parliamentary colleague for many decades

747
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:36,679
but a labor MP I pledged my support for

748
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:39,720
him as the head of a supercharged

749
00:29:36,679 --> 00:29:42,000
turbocharged West Yorkshire devolved

750
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:45,159
Authority just like the one that has

751
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:48,000
been given to Manchester and I think

752
00:29:45,159 --> 00:29:50,600
Jerry Sutcliffe as a labor man a real

753
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:53,919
labor man would be the ideal person to

754
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:56,760
lead that and we absolutely need that

755
00:29:53,919 --> 00:29:58,559
we're not just being left behind so far

756
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,760
as the south is concerned

757
00:29:58,559 --> 00:30:03,240
we're also being left behind so far as

758
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:05,480
the north is concerned and Manchester if

759
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:08,919
we're not careful will become another

760
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:12,120
London and we here in the Leeds Bradford

761
00:30:08,919 --> 00:30:15,600
conurbation will be the losers so I've

762
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:19,080
said before at hustings we need to get

763
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:23,080
our act together to be campaigners

764
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:26,559
United for that super Authority and for

765
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:30,200
me the airport as was joked earlier is

766
00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:32,720
called leads hyen Bradford we need that

767
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:36,120
hyphenation you know in the United

768
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:39,440
States Dallas hyphen Fort Worth St

769
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:42,480
Paul's hyphen Minneapolis we need to be

770
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:44,519
leads hyphen Bradford and we'll all be

771
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,679
better off if we can unite around that

772
00:30:44,519 --> 00:30:50,080
program let's get

773
00:30:46,679 --> 00:30:51,600
NASA's thoughts on Northern Powerhouse I

774
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,399
guess is the is the phrase does the

775
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,279
leads Bradford and why the West

776
00:30:53,399 --> 00:30:57,320
Yorkshire area need to be a northern

777
00:30:55,279 --> 00:30:59,360
Powerhouse absolutely I think it's

778
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:01,799
really really fair and and just that we

779
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,799
do have devolved powers and if we had a

780
00:31:01,799 --> 00:31:05,960
labor government certainly we would be

781
00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:07,320
devolving six billion Pro bels we would

782
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,559
also be having Regional banking

783
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,000
structures which would support the

784
00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:13,159
growth of local businesses so I think if

785
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,600
we did have and it depends in terms of a

786
00:31:13,159 --> 00:31:16,799
question was how what would could we

787
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:19,279
achieve together if we return a labor

788
00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:21,120
government in in on May the 7th where

789
00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:23,080
when we have those powerhouses when we

790
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:25,039
have that 6 billion when we have the

791
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:27,399
regional Banks there is nothing stopping

792
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:29,320
people from working together I think you

793
00:31:27,399 --> 00:31:30,760
know unit uned we are a stronger voice

794
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,720
to make sure that we bring the

795
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,360
investment where it's needed we have two

796
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,480
of the most deprived Wards right here in

797
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:38,919
Bradford I think it's fair I think it's

798
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,919
absolutely right that we join forces and

799
00:31:38,919 --> 00:31:42,240
argue the case for the resources where

800
00:31:40,919 --> 00:31:44,159
they matter the most in terms of

801
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,840
education at the moment we don't have

802
00:31:44,159 --> 00:31:49,480
that resource we have had higher Cuts in

803
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:51,360
that that north south divide is so real

804
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,760
we have growth what people don't know

805
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:56,799
what to do with down south and here we

806
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:59,000
have cut backs at over 00 per head in

807
00:31:56,799 --> 00:32:00,760
comparison to less than so yes I think

808
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,440
we could achieve a whole great deal

809
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,760
we're talking working together something

810
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,919
that the conservatives and liberal

811
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:10,000
Democrats have had to do over the past

812
00:32:05,919 --> 00:32:11,760
term um Ed how do the lib Dems uh work

813
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,000
together with the other MPS of West

814
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,720
Yorkshire to help the region and it's

815
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,039
something libdems have done in councils

816
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,639
before as well so it's we're know

817
00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:21,919
strangers to Coalition even before 2010

818
00:32:19,639 --> 00:32:24,960
um libdems are committed to the idea of

819
00:32:21,919 --> 00:32:27,600
of of localism of devolution of of of of

820
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,960
bringing power as close to local people

821
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:32,120
as possible because we're best place to

822
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:34,200
make decisions that affect um our

823
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:36,279
education our Health Service the M

824
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,880
issues that matter to most we take a

825
00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:39,559
different stance from West Yorkshire

826
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,000
though um our Yorkshire liberal

827
00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:42,519
Democrats believe that we should have a

828
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,919
Yorkshire Parliament elected for the

829
00:32:42,519 --> 00:32:46,320
whole of the Yorkshire region um but

830
00:32:44,919 --> 00:32:47,960
should that should have exactly the same

831
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,320
power as the Scottish Parliament does in

832
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,799
holywood so that's with tax varying

833
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,720
Powers that's with control over over

834
00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:57,559
health and education because we have the

835
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:59,799
same population as Scotland um we should

836
00:32:57,559 --> 00:33:01,159
have the the same uh size economy as

837
00:32:59,799 --> 00:33:03,320
Scotland and we should we should be able

838
00:33:01,159 --> 00:33:04,760
to fight for Yorkshire interests I agree

839
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,480
with George's worrying that there's not

840
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:09,000
just a north south divide there may well

841
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,600
be a Northwest Yorkshire divide as well

842
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,360
and I think Yorkshire as a whole County

843
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,519
not just West Yorkshire should come

844
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,000
together and we should share the skills

845
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:16,480
that they have in the humba share the

846
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,639
skills they have in South Yorkshire as

847
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,200
well as the the agricultural skills they

848
00:33:18,639 --> 00:33:22,279
have in North Yorkshire to call come

849
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,559
together and build a build a lasting

850
00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:26,679
North Yorkshire Parliament but with real

851
00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:28,480
sustainable Powers Mt has a mean what

852
00:33:26,679 --> 00:33:30,559
could be achieved if the four parties

853
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,639
represented here tonight and and others

854
00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:35,159
work together to help the West Yorkshire

855
00:33:32,639 --> 00:33:36,880
region well working together obviously

856
00:33:35,159 --> 00:33:38,639
helps but I mean some of the proposal we

857
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,200
just heard there that's not going to

858
00:33:38,639 --> 00:33:42,720
help that's just adding a layer of

859
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,919
bureaucracy to what we have already but

860
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,760
we already have um the West Yorkshire

861
00:33:44,919 --> 00:33:49,519
combined Authority which the government

862
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:51,279
has funded to the uh considerably the

863
00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:53,720
West Yorkshire transport fund now has a

864
00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:56,519
billion pounds to distribute in our area

865
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:58,600
over the next um I think 10 OD years

866
00:33:56,519 --> 00:34:00,000
we've got hs2 that's going to be linked

867
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,559
here that's going to bring in

868
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,919
approximately another billion pounds

869
00:34:01,559 --> 00:34:06,919
worth of growth growth 18,000 jobs are

870
00:34:04,919 --> 00:34:09,000
going to be created as a result of that

871
00:34:06,919 --> 00:34:11,760
a half a billion economic investment

872
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,760
fund has been um set up here so a number

873
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,280
of projects have already been set up

874
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,480
it's not we're not starting from zero we

875
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,760
have got considerable growth in our area

876
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,960
as I said previously more jobs have been

877
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:24,760
created in Yorkshire and the whole of

878
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:26,800
France so a number of positive economic

879
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:30,639
outcomes have already taken place

880
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:32,800
working together is great um but that

881
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:34,359
sort of proposal let's have a Yorkshire

882
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:37,800
Parliament or yeah let's have another

883
00:34:34,359 --> 00:34:39,560
layer of bureaucracy and More in on in

884
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,839
pretending that it's Devolution doesn't

885
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,040
work and it's not going to work

886
00:34:40,839 --> 00:34:45,000
Manchester why is it okay for we we

887
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:47,000
we've work the councils are working with

888
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,560
the government in Manchester much better

889
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,560
than the councils in West Yorkshire are

890
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:53,599
engaging with the government I think I

891
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:56,040
think the local the you have tell us

892
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:57,880
more well you you have you have councils

893
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,200
here who are working with with with the

894
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,800
government in terms of the West Yorks

895
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,720
are combined

896
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:05,480
Authority but there's more that needs to

897
00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:06,839
be do needs to be done you you need to

898
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,839
get engage with your local Authority

899
00:35:06,839 --> 00:35:10,560
with your local counselors and say look

900
00:35:08,839 --> 00:35:12,119
what are you doing for our communities

901
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,920
Mt has it's a contradiction you just

902
00:35:12,119 --> 00:35:15,960
can't hold you cannot hold the

903
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:18,440
contradiction of Manchester's engagement

904
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,560
and engagement or lead's engagement it's

905
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,680
just not you're not answering the

906
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,359
question what about the fact that

907
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:27,040
billion P can we all just make our

908
00:35:24,359 --> 00:35:28,720
points individually please let Mt answer

909
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,320
na question you you seem to be

910
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:31,920
completely overlooking the fact that we

911
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,720
have a West Yorkshire transport fund of

912
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:36,480
a billion pound hs2 is coming 18,000

913
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:38,960
more jobs are going to be created a

914
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,200
billion pounds in grow 15 years from no

915
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:44,560
no it's not 15 years from half the

916
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:46,839
people in here will be dead by that time

917
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,920
you just just while we're discussing

918
00:35:46,839 --> 00:35:52,000
this point can I just finish off it's

919
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:53,960
over a period of 15 years hopefully I I

920
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:57,440
won't be dead in 15 years um I'm not

921
00:35:53,960 --> 00:36:00,280
sure about you um being let's keep this

922
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:02,800
off topic but but but but what I'm

923
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,359
saying is that a a considerable amount

924
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,839
of money has been invested in West

925
00:36:04,359 --> 00:36:08,359
Yorkshire which the panel seem to be

926
00:36:06,839 --> 00:36:10,599
conveniently forgetting and thinking

927
00:36:08,359 --> 00:36:12,520
well we seem to have no money here if

928
00:36:10,599 --> 00:36:14,520
you work together if you have the right

929
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,119
people elected that fund will increase

930
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,800
let's get the view of the audience uh

931
00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:19,480
let's first go back to Mike Brown who

932
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,560
actually posed the question Mike what

933
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,760
what have you made of what you've just

934
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,480
heard that the conservatives are

935
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,560
disconnected and have no connection with

936
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:29,560
people in your sh

937
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,560
whatsoever

938
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:35,040
you're listening to BBC Radio leads

939
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:37,240
we're in the die house Gallery in the

940
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:39,640
Lista building at Bradford College it's

941
00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:42,960
the second of our election debates and

942
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:45,480
let's take another question now AA so

943
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:48,119
our next question is a recorded question

944
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:50,720
by lanaa Gladhill from Leeds who sent

945
00:36:48,119 --> 00:36:54,000
this question for us hi my name is l

946
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:56,079
Gladhill I'm 24 and I live in Leeds I'd

947
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:58,000
like to ask the panel this in current

948
00:36:56,079 --> 00:36:59,520
debates around the election it feels as

949
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,800
if the issues that matter most of young

950
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,800
people are not being fully addressed for

951
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,560
example whilst immigration ranks as a

952
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,880
key topic of concern for the general

953
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:10,000
population young voters do not register

954
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,480
the same anxiety about it are

955
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,000
politicians ignoring the fact that they

956
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,480
should be looking towards a politics of

957
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:17,280
tomorrow and not of politics of

958
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:21,240
yesterday mine politics of tomorrow not

959
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:25,000
of yesterday um I think the central

960
00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:27,480
theme of this uh election debate as far

961
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:29,280
as I am concerned is the economy unless

962
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:31,440
unless you have a strong economy you

963
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:34,040
cannot fund your public services you

964
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:36,160
cannot discuss education you cannot

965
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:39,359
discuss the the

966
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:42,920
NHS you you you the starting point is a

967
00:37:39,359 --> 00:37:45,240
strong economy if we go back to 2010 and

968
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:48,160
the politics of just taxing and spending

969
00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:49,599
and insur ending up with a huge deficit

970
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,160
we're going to end up again where we

971
00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:52,920
can't fund our Public Services the

972
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,599
reason there been an element of

973
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:58,520
austerity is we had to balance the books

974
00:37:55,599 --> 00:38:00,880
we had to reduce the deficit we had to

975
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:03,079
we had to reduce a deficit year on year

976
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:07,359
to ensure that the economy works and you

977
00:38:03,079 --> 00:38:07,359
haven't done it we we are on our way

978
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:13,079
of we have we have reduced we have

979
00:38:10,599 --> 00:38:15,839
reduced the deficit by a half as a

980
00:38:13,079 --> 00:38:17,640
percentage of the GDP in two three years

981
00:38:15,839 --> 00:38:18,480
time that deficit will have disappeared

982
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:21,040
you

983
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,680
all can we just ask you just to if you

984
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,560
want to make a point we'll try and get

985
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:27,000
to you but as I said previously

986
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:29,319
alternative isou the alternative is that

987
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,880
you go back to Ed Milly band and Ed

988
00:38:29,319 --> 00:38:34,240
Balls and look what they did in

989
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:36,480
2010 how how are we looking towards a

990
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:38,119
politics of tomorrow not a that is the

991
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,640
politics of Tomorrow your choice is very

992
00:38:38,119 --> 00:38:41,400
simple do you want a competent

993
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,240
government who's going to do well with

994
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,000
the economy or do you want to go back to

995
00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:46,040
2010 because the reality is there's only

996
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,520
going to be two people who are going to

997
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:51,240
be Prime Minister David Cameron or Ed

998
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,720
miliband supported by the SNP and to be

999
00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:54,200
honest with Ed Milan if he fell over his

1000
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:56,440
shoel we wouldn't laugh because he's

1001
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,359
that sort of character um so your choice

1002
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:00,640
is very clear you if you want to look to

1003
00:38:58,359 --> 00:39:03,040
the future if you want a strong economy

1004
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,880
a vibrant economy more growth more money

1005
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,640
is being spent on the NHS and on public

1006
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,119
services you vote conservative if you

1007
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,119
want to go back to taxing and spending

1008
00:39:08,119 --> 00:39:12,240
you vote for Ed miliband well nasar is

1009
00:39:10,119 --> 00:39:14,440
representing labor the question is

1010
00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:17,000
should politicians be looking towards a

1011
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:19,119
politics of tomorrow not a politics of

1012
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:21,040
yesterday our question from Lor and your

1013
00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:22,880
answer for her please I think it's

1014
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,760
really we we can't ignore why we're in

1015
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:27,000
the crisis and I I I do take issue with

1016
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,960
the point what we did in 2010 because

1017
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,880
let's B the banking crisis was not down

1018
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,920
to the labor government it was a banking

1019
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:37,319
crisis and let's be

1020
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:39,359
clear let's also be clear in terms of

1021
00:39:37,319 --> 00:39:42,000
the bankers bonuses or the banks being

1022
00:39:39,359 --> 00:39:44,040
taxed or the bank those those um Rich

1023
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:46,280
offshore accounts are more Tory friends

1024
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:48,920
than they are labors let's also be clear

1025
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:51,040
that the Tory government could have F

1026
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:53,040
closed down lots of loopholes in terms

1027
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,520
of a tax evasion that's going on but you

1028
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,880
have refused to do that so you could

1029
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:58,040
have bought that deficit down you could

1030
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,200
have bought billions into economy but

1031
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,640
you haven't done that you've sat on your

1032
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,599
laurels and thought you know what let

1033
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,280
the rich get richer and at the expense

1034
00:40:02,599 --> 00:40:07,119
of the poor that's that's what's

1035
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:10,440
happened in this last government we

1036
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:12,319
have we have another five years of bori

1037
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,720
bori government who and you haven't

1038
00:40:12,319 --> 00:40:16,520
balanced the book so whilst Ed Milan

1039
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:18,520
might not tie shoelaces I'm not sure

1040
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:21,000
David Cameron could do the strapons but

1041
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:23,760
hey ho you know let's

1042
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:26,119
um your three years and that's the three

1043
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,520
years that you're saying with your FIS

1044
00:40:26,119 --> 00:40:29,520
which with your Manifesto which which is

1045
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,920
not fiscal we are saying we are not

1046
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,040
borrowing we are not committed to any

1047
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,520
more borrowing we will balance the books

1048
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:37,119
we will keep the NHS we will repeal the

1049
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,520
Health and Social Care Act we walk

1050
00:40:37,119 --> 00:40:40,319
privatize it through the back door which

1051
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:43,119
is what's happening at the moment so do

1052
00:40:40,319 --> 00:40:46,200
you know what

1053
00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:48,800
I in terms of looking at today we need

1054
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:52,119
to protect what is there we need to look

1055
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:53,480
after the NHS we need to make do with

1056
00:40:52,119 --> 00:40:55,359
the sanctions that you've put which

1057
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,839
penalize the poor the most which have

1058
00:40:55,359 --> 00:40:59,760
affected let's abolish the bedroom tax

1059
00:40:57,839 --> 00:41:01,760
let's tax The Mansions let's tax and

1060
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,319
Levy the tobacco companies let's bring

1061
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,920
in money where we should be bringing it

1062
00:41:03,319 --> 00:41:08,200
in from and not penalize vs that are

1063
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:10,160
already at risk of being penalized and

1064
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,400
already live below the poverty line yes

1065
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,160
thank you very much I want to move on to

1066
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,920
Ed

1067
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:16,800
Sanderson Ed how are you and the liberal

1068
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,839
Democrats uh going to answer the

1069
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,599
question posed by Lor from Leeds yeah I

1070
00:41:18,839 --> 00:41:22,160
mean the question was how we focus on

1071
00:41:20,599 --> 00:41:23,720
the politics of Tomorrow rather than the

1072
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,480
politics of yesterday I think the

1073
00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:27,440
politics of yesterday revolves a lot

1074
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,240
around personal attacks and I think a

1075
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,920
lot of personal attacks particularly

1076
00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:32,760
around in Miller Band you know whether

1077
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,560
about you can tie a shoelaces or not or

1078
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,680
whether you can eat a bacon sandwiches

1079
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:39,800
is you know quite frankly

1080
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:42,079
disgusting um I think this disc on the

1081
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,520
debate on immigration is also I'm

1082
00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:44,760
speaking I think as the youngest person

1083
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,280
on the panel but I speak I hope I speak

1084
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:49,440
for everybody in the room just out of

1085
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:51,520
date and um has no place in in in

1086
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:54,280
certainly speaking for anyone really of

1087
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:56,560
of my age group as well I don't like how

1088
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:58,280
both the conservative and labor party

1089
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,359
people who labor party in particular

1090
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,599
which used to be a progressive party now

1091
00:42:00,359 --> 00:42:05,000
says in Stony faces that we must talk

1092
00:42:02,599 --> 00:42:08,240
about immigration in a in a in in a in a

1093
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:11,160
very um very conservative with a SE way

1094
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:13,760
about about it people of people of my

1095
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:15,599
generation or young people want politics

1096
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,839
want to want to know that we can invest

1097
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:20,400
in a Greener future a future where civil

1098
00:42:17,839 --> 00:42:22,640
liberties including LGBT rights are

1099
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:24,319
protected and thank you I want to ask

1100
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,880
the same question to George Galloway are

1101
00:42:24,319 --> 00:42:27,680
politicians ignoring the fact that they

1102
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,319
should be looking towards the politics

1103
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,000
of tomorrow not a politics of yesterday

1104
00:42:29,319 --> 00:42:33,160
well it's pretty embarrassing I must say

1105
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,400
as uh listeners will already have

1106
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:38,359
concluded the kind of nonsense we've

1107
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:40,240
just been listening to the conservatives

1108
00:42:38,359 --> 00:42:44,280
and the liberal Democrats have put us

1109
00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:47,079
through 5 years of austerity hell and

1110
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:49,319
they're still borrowing more money than

1111
00:42:47,079 --> 00:42:52,280
they were when they started all this

1112
00:42:49,319 --> 00:42:55,440
Guff about the deficit and so on you're

1113
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:59,400
borrowing more than you were when you

1114
00:42:55,440 --> 00:43:03,800
started and we have all about us the

1115
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:06,680
ruin of your austerity policies you have

1116
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:10,400
cut taxes for the richest people and cut

1117
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:13,720
services for the poorest people and the

1118
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:17,200
question from Lorna is a very powerful

1119
00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:20,599
one young people are not talking about

1120
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:24,400
immigration it is not high on their list

1121
00:43:20,599 --> 00:43:27,119
of priorities it's people like you oddly

1122
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:29,680
that are trying to make them fear if

1123
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:32,000
immigration fear immigrants it's people

1124
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:35,200
like you who are going to plunge Us in 2

1125
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:37,599
years into a referendum that might lead

1126
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:40,000
to us leaving the European Union with

1127
00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:43,079
the loss of hundreds of thousands of

1128
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:45,400
jobs in this area and yet no young

1129
00:43:43,079 --> 00:43:47,400
person wants to leave the European Union

1130
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,400
virtually none you could take a poll

1131
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,319
here no one in the right mind wants to

1132
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:54,599
leave the European Union but you're

1133
00:43:51,319 --> 00:43:57,119
making it an election issue and NZ you

1134
00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:59,960
weren't in the labor party in 2010 you

1135
00:43:57,119 --> 00:44:05,640
only joined it 12 months ago I was in it

1136
00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:08,480
for 36 years 36 years and I was in

1137
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:11,920
Parliament when the banking crash or C

1138
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:14,880
in 2008 and I warned them then that

1139
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:17,880
giving hundreds of billions of pounds to

1140
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:19,280
private Banks was not the answer to the

1141
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,720
crash George I want to cut in because I

1142
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,760
want to ask the audience I want to ask

1143
00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:24,880
them the same question uh and we'll hand

1144
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,559
over to AA for that so I wanted to ask

1145
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,920
the audience uh if there's any young

1146
00:44:26,559 --> 00:44:30,680
person here and who has strong views

1147
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:33,119
about the EU membership whether they

1148
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:35,559
want to be in or out we've got a hand

1149
00:44:33,119 --> 00:44:37,119
here thank you uh Lily mtag I'm from

1150
00:44:35,559 --> 00:44:38,800
Bradford East yeah I think it's really

1151
00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:40,839
important we stay in the EU we're facing

1152
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:43,400
more and more Global crisis like global

1153
00:44:40,839 --> 00:44:45,559
warming like climate change and unless

1154
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,000
we work together on those issues um with

1155
00:44:45,559 --> 00:44:48,280
as many countries as possible we're

1156
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,400
never going to be able to face them so

1157
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,920
it's not just about economics it's about

1158
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,480
global issues like the immigrants as

1159
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:56,280
well coming uh drowning in horrible

1160
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,319
conditions in the Mediterranean we've

1161
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:00,000
got to work together we can't just bail

1162
00:44:58,319 --> 00:45:02,640
out on that if I could just get a quick

1163
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,400
fire run through a quick fire run

1164
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,000
through the panel if we're talking about

1165
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,760
engagement we're talking about young

1166
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:11,079
voters the one topic that is top of the

1167
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:14,119
list in your opinion for young voters

1168
00:45:11,079 --> 00:45:16,119
education jobs why Nas I think education

1169
00:45:14,119 --> 00:45:18,760
in terms of young people University have

1170
00:45:16,119 --> 00:45:20,160
coming out of colleges having technical

1171
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,359
what we're proposing is technical

1172
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:24,000
degrees what people don't have is jobs

1173
00:45:22,359 --> 00:45:25,880
at the moment there's no businesses out

1174
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,880
there under the last 5 years we've lost

1175
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,920
so many people sort so many businesses

1176
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,920
so many job losses and it is a real

1177
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:34,359
concern and that if you have a young

1178
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:36,760
person who has a job that affects their

1179
00:45:34,359 --> 00:45:38,640
wellbeing mental health all of it it it

1180
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,359
really the income is a massive issue Ed

1181
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,760
with quick fire here yeah further

1182
00:45:40,359 --> 00:45:42,720
education particular apprenticeships

1183
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,160
we've already doubled the number of

1184
00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:47,040
apprentices in the past uh past year 90%

1185
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,680
of which lead to full-time jobs we want

1186
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:51,520
to do even more on the next Parliament

1187
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:54,359
George Well labor introduced tuition

1188
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:56,280
fees for all the students listening and

1189
00:45:54,359 --> 00:45:57,440
the Tories and the liberal Democrats

1190
00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:00,119
trebled them

1191
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:02,359
labor presides over Bradford Schools

1192
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:03,720
which are second bottom of the National

1193
00:46:02,359 --> 00:46:08,680
League

1194
00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:11,079
154th out of 155 so don't look to any of

1195
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:14,599
Tweedle D Tweedle Dum or Tweedle d and a

1196
00:46:11,079 --> 00:46:14,599
half because they don't have the

1197
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:19,839
answer has me the most the most

1198
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:22,160
important thing that a young person

1199
00:46:19,839 --> 00:46:23,760
should be looking towards is a job if a

1200
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:28,319
person goes to University and cannot

1201
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:30,520
find a job he feels that the three years

1202
00:46:28,319 --> 00:46:32,599
have been wasted or if a person doesn't

1203
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:34,720
do do an apprenticeship and doesn't find

1204
00:46:32,599 --> 00:46:37,599
secure employment and that is why we

1205
00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:39,960
have made absolute priority to ensure

1206
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:41,640
that youth unemployment has come down we

1207
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,599
there are more jobs now than there has

1208
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,240
ever been a person going to University

1209
00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:47,359
is more likely to find a job after

1210
00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:48,680
graduation 2 million apprenticeships

1211
00:46:47,359 --> 00:46:50,200
have been created in The Last 5 Years

1212
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:53,720
we're committed to creating another 3

1213
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:56,400
million apprenti ships so the security

1214
00:46:53,720 --> 00:46:59,160
of a job and that allowing them to buy

1215
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:01,000
their own home and um that is the

1216
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:03,200
priority a young person should be should

1217
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,880
should have thank you know that's that's

1218
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:07,280
we've tried to keep it very brief on on

1219
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:09,599
that point there let's take another

1220
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:11,200
question from the audience and AA we've

1221
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:13,599
got Dave Forest here with a question

1222
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:16,559
what's your question Dave my question is

1223
00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:19,400
about University tuition fees and is it

1224
00:47:16,559 --> 00:47:22,839
right that students are forced into

1225
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:25,640
44,000 Worth or more of debt when we

1226
00:47:22,839 --> 00:47:28,520
know that 73% of them will never ever

1227
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,270
pay it back how will your party solve

1228
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:32,119
this

1229
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:34,880
[Applause]

1230
00:47:32,119 --> 00:47:36,760
issue we are in a a college is part of

1231
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:39,240
the University here in Bradford lots of

1232
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:41,359
students in our audience Ed Sanderson

1233
00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:43,599
from the liberal Democrats no I don't

1234
00:47:41,359 --> 00:47:45,760
think it's right and I think um the Liv

1235
00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:47,280
de major ship made a huge mistake not

1236
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,119
just politically because obviously we've

1237
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,319
we've suffered on the polls but I think

1238
00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:53,319
practically um I was a candidate the

1239
00:47:51,319 --> 00:47:55,079
last election I signed the pledge as

1240
00:47:53,319 --> 00:47:56,880
well um I would have voted against the

1241
00:47:55,079 --> 00:48:01,040
government in the way that other MPS did

1242
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:04,400
did not enough MPS did um I believe in

1243
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:07,280
fore education um university for

1244
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:08,880
University students um we weren't we

1245
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:11,559
weren't we weren't allowed to we weren't

1246
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:14,160
we weren't able to do that um and I

1247
00:48:11,559 --> 00:48:17,280
think it was a huge mistake what we

1248
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:19,000
should focus now is now on the issue of

1249
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:21,079
affordability now this isn't a

1250
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:23,599
justification this is an explanation of

1251
00:48:21,079 --> 00:48:25,720
course there's no no nothing no money to

1252
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:27,720
pay up front for tuition um and of

1253
00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:30,079
course you start earning money back only

1254
00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:32,359
once you earn £21,000 I have to say

1255
00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:34,920
Labor's plan for 6,000 fees it sounds

1256
00:48:32,359 --> 00:48:36,520
like a fee reduction effectively and and

1257
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,440
the question hinted at this because you

1258
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:40,680
don't have to pay back all of the

1259
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:43,319
£99,000 unless you start off on a very

1260
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:45,319
high salary labor plan for £6,000

1261
00:48:43,319 --> 00:48:47,520
tuition fees actually represent a tax

1262
00:48:45,319 --> 00:48:48,760
break for very high earning graduates

1263
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,960
well let's get the labor point of view

1264
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,079
because I'm very mindful of the time

1265
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:55,599
Nasha tuition phase we we have pledged

1266
00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:57,040
to cut them by £3,000 um and we will

1267
00:48:55,599 --> 00:48:58,640
Implement that as soon as we are in

1268
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:01,400
government let's be clear at the moment

1269
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:03,920
it's 44,000 if we reduce that to 6,000

1270
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,839
the average debt will be 21,000 looking

1271
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:08,760
at the statistics at the moment over 20

1272
00:49:05,839 --> 00:49:10,559
years we have a debt of 261 billion at

1273
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:13,119
the moment which the government will end

1274
00:49:10,559 --> 00:49:15,079
up footing so let's give some relief and

1275
00:49:13,119 --> 00:49:16,960
let's give people a Cho a chance to

1276
00:49:15,079 --> 00:49:18,839
actually get on the job market and repay

1277
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,520
some of that and let's be clear that

1278
00:49:18,839 --> 00:49:22,960
people don't have to pay that back until

1279
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:25,480
they earning a certain amount so there

1280
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:27,319
is there is a there is a system in place

1281
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:29,240
so you won't be asked to pay pay back so

1282
00:49:27,319 --> 00:49:31,160
much if you're only earning £10,000 a

1283
00:49:29,240 --> 00:49:32,799
year for examp George now if we can just

1284
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,760
get the responses of the panel first

1285
00:49:32,799 --> 00:49:36,280
please we we can come to the audience in

1286
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,359
a moment but I just do want to get the

1287
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:40,319
responses of the panel George Galloway

1288
00:49:38,359 --> 00:49:42,880
what what what his respect matics

1289
00:49:40,319 --> 00:49:47,559
mathematics is obviously not n as

1290
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:50,240
strongest Point um the neither neither

1291
00:49:47,559 --> 00:49:53,240
neither is history I never went to

1292
00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:56,720
University I worked from the age of 16

1293
00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:59,680
to send Blair and the other new labor

1294
00:49:56,720 --> 00:50:02,720
leaders to University entirely free of

1295
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:05,119
charge and gave them a student grant to

1296
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:07,240
enjoy it with and as soon as Tony Blair

1297
00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:10,799
got into Power he kicked that ladder

1298
00:50:07,240 --> 00:50:13,440
away from this generation and from their

1299
00:50:10,799 --> 00:50:15,640
children I voted against the

1300
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:18,119
introduction of tuition fees I had a

1301
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:20,319
standup row with the labor Chief whip

1302
00:50:18,119 --> 00:50:23,359
who said to me it's only

1303
00:50:20,319 --> 00:50:26,119
£1,000 I said it's the principle if

1304
00:50:23,359 --> 00:50:28,599
we've got money to spend on nuclear

1305
00:50:26,119 --> 00:50:31,640
weapons on invading other people's

1306
00:50:28,599 --> 00:50:34,799
countries and setting them on fire we've

1307
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:38,000
got money to pay for the education of

1308
00:50:34,799 --> 00:50:40,920
our children labor wants to cut them

1309
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:44,280
down to 6,000 which Naas thinks will

1310
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:46,480
have them in fact it's a third and the

1311
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:50,160
Tories and the liberal Democrats will

1312
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:53,000
continue them at 9,000 respect says the

1313
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:56,040
government the state the taxpayer should

1314
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:57,640
pay for education for our children and

1315
00:50:56,040 --> 00:51:02,319
for the children at

1316
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:05,240
University m a mean Mt a mean your your

1317
00:51:02,319 --> 00:51:07,280
views Tory views on tuition fees please

1318
00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:10,520
our policy is that they will remain at

1319
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:13,240
£9,000 um it funds the universities it

1320
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,640
funds the universities and it ensures

1321
00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:16,559
that universities are able to provide

1322
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:18,599
the best Services we're competing in a

1323
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:21,400
global economy we have to fund our

1324
00:51:18,599 --> 00:51:24,319
univers universities so that they able

1325
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:26,760
to compete the policy of reducing tution

1326
00:51:24,319 --> 00:51:28,480
fees to £6,000 at Labor is seeking to

1327
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:31,200
introduce will help the richest

1328
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:33,200
graduates not those at the lower end

1329
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:35,599
because the amount the as as was as the

1330
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:37,520
questioner has just said 73% will not be

1331
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:39,760
repaying their debt those who are

1332
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,799
earning the least amount grad those

1333
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,680
graduates who are earning the least

1334
00:51:40,799 --> 00:51:45,520
amount will not be repaying their their

1335
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:47,559
uh tuition fees and I think we have to

1336
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,400
get we have to be serious about this in

1337
00:51:47,559 --> 00:51:51,040
the sense that if we are going to

1338
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:53,119
compete globally we're going to have to

1339
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:55,520
fund our universities and it also gives

1340
00:51:53,119 --> 00:51:58,799
responsibility to the students that they

1341
00:51:55,520 --> 00:52:00,640
are having to pay for education is

1342
00:51:58,799 --> 00:52:02,000
something they should value it should

1343
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:04,480
well let's hear from those students

1344
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:06,319
because um ARA from BCB is with us in

1345
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:08,040
the audience can you just find us a

1346
00:52:06,319 --> 00:52:10,079
couple of students just to get their

1347
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,839
thoughts as we start to wrap up on

1348
00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:13,640
tuition fees please we've got a student

1349
00:52:11,839 --> 00:52:16,160
here would you like to say your name uh

1350
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:18,839
Jonathan um to encourage people to

1351
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:20,799
succeed in life is the lesson we want to

1352
00:52:18,839 --> 00:52:23,079
teach them we have to do that we have to

1353
00:52:20,799 --> 00:52:24,680
put them in massive debt but there are

1354
00:52:23,079 --> 00:52:27,079
there are more students going to

1355
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:29,079
University now very briefly despite the

1356
00:52:27,079 --> 00:52:31,200
£99,000 fees there are more students

1357
00:52:29,079 --> 00:52:33,799
going to University than ever before so

1358
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:35,960
that hasn't that hasn't discouraged PE

1359
00:52:33,799 --> 00:52:38,520
um students from going to University

1360
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:40,200
true why don't we scrap Trident and

1361
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:42,079
scrap the tuition fees wouldn't that be

1362
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:45,880
a better thing to have the best

1363
00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:48,880
universities free of charge to our young

1364
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:51,160
people let's have a referendum on that

1365
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:53,000
let's ask the people in a referendum do

1366
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:55,400
you want nuclear weapons or do you want

1367
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:57,319
£99,000 a I want Ed's opinion I want

1368
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,680
Ed's opinion we've got seconds literally

1369
00:52:57,319 --> 00:53:01,559
each head yeah there's more pupils from

1370
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:04,000
disadvantage backgrounds going to

1371
00:53:01,559 --> 00:53:05,760
University and there's more pupils from

1372
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,839
uh black and ethnic minority backgrounds

1373
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,400
going to

1374
00:53:06,839 --> 00:53:10,520
University um so although I don't

1375
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,280
although I've said I don't think it's

1376
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,880
right to put people in debt the the new

1377
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,640
policy isn't pulling people off from

1378
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:17,720
going to University now brief word

1379
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:19,839
finally on this first of all we have to

1380
00:53:17,720 --> 00:53:21,920
balance the book somehow and that in

1381
00:53:19,839 --> 00:53:23,559
that does in terms of a University cost

1382
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,240
and that and I think in answering The

1383
00:53:23,559 --> 00:53:26,920
Young Person's question there would we

1384
00:53:25,240 --> 00:53:28,760
have cutbacks in the University

1385
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:30,720
facilities and from a labor perspective

1386
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:33,000
no we wouldn't what we doing we'd be

1387
00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:35,040
we'd Finance this through extra taxes so

1388
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:37,079
it wouldn't be that we'd cut university

1389
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:39,240
university benefits in any way shape or

1390
00:53:37,079 --> 00:53:41,520
form so no we would be cutting them back

1391
00:53:39,240 --> 00:53:43,520
and in an ideal word in an Ideal World

1392
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:45,680
yes we would but let's at least get that

1393
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:47,720
3,000 knocked off and let's get a li

1394
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:49,720
let's get a final word on this and a

1395
00:53:47,720 --> 00:53:51,640
final word on tuition fees from someone

1396
00:53:49,720 --> 00:53:53,240
in the audience please yeah we've got

1397
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,680
we've got Dian here would you like to

1398
00:53:53,240 --> 00:53:56,480
tell us your thoughts I'd just like to

1399
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:58,000
know Ed how on Earth can you say that

1400
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:00,200
more people from disprivileged

1401
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:02,400
backgrounds have got into education when

1402
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:05,720
you've removed EMA not just you but the

1403
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:07,920
Tes none of you stood up to actually

1404
00:54:05,720 --> 00:54:10,720
you've stopped people from the poorest

1405
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:12,079
incomes being able to go into education

1406
00:54:10,720 --> 00:54:14,839
and not only have you done that you've

1407
00:54:12,079 --> 00:54:16,400
then whacked him with a £99,000 fee I

1408
00:54:14,839 --> 00:54:18,480
don't agree that the labor party should

1409
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:20,799
be at 6,000 it should be free education

1410
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:23,599
for all knowledge is power and that's

1411
00:54:20,799 --> 00:54:25,359
how we overcome you right okay we'll get

1412
00:54:23,599 --> 00:54:27,079
Ed's response to that and then we really

1413
00:54:25,359 --> 00:54:28,839
are done for time so finally just

1414
00:54:27,079 --> 00:54:30,799
respond to that I'm say I'm saying that

1415
00:54:28,839 --> 00:54:32,440
cuz it's it's it's the it's the truth

1416
00:54:30,799 --> 00:54:33,720
there are more people from disadvantage

1417
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,280
background go to university I mean I

1418
00:54:33,720 --> 00:54:37,720
know I know we might not agree you might

1419
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:39,960
agree the statistics um the liberal

1420
00:54:37,720 --> 00:54:41,520
Democrats would introduce um other ways

1421
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:43,640
to make it easier to get into education

1422
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:46,040
for example we'd give a 2third discount

1423
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:49,520
for for for all 16 to 20 year olds of

1424
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:51,000
bus of of of bus of bus travels but it's

1425
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:53,079
the facts I mean if you don't agree with

1426
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:55,079
the facts thank you very much indeed and

1427
00:54:53,079 --> 00:54:57,359
thank you for all your questions as well

1428
00:54:55,079 --> 00:54:59,839
that's about it from the second of our

1429
00:54:57,359 --> 00:55:02,119
BBC Radio leads election debates here at

1430
00:54:59,839 --> 00:55:05,319
Bradford College I'd like to say a big

1431
00:55:02,119 --> 00:55:07,640
thank you to all our panel Mt Amin from

1432
00:55:05,319 --> 00:55:10,200
the conservatives George Galloway from

1433
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:12,880
respect Ed Sanderson of the liberal

1434
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:15,400
Democrats and Nasha

1435
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:18,440
Leber thanks to you for listening here

1436
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:20,119
on BBC Radio leads and a particular

1437
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:22,400
thank you to our audience here in

1438
00:55:20,119 --> 00:55:24,960
Bradford we do have another general

1439
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:27,160
election debate next week Liz green and

1440
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:29,480
a panel in Halifax is as you debate the

1441
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:34,240
Health Service I'm Richard stead and

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from all of us here in Bradford goodbye