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okay far away far welcome to Casual

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politics thank you casual I'm uh I'm

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enjoying that one thank you very much um

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I need that you need no introduction at

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George Galloway you've been a member of

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parliament since 1987 MH and uh you and

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then you became a leading member of

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respect party eventually you you also uh

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you were leader you are still a leader

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since 2004 so my first question is how

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did you get involved in politics I was

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born into politics really my parents

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were political activists my grandparents

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uh to some extent

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also uh and so it was as natural as

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mother's milk to me I was the kid in the

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class at school who always knew who the

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prim minister of Czechoslovakia was who

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the uh president of Uganda was and uh

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and so on so politics was always

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discussed around my breakfast table and

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uh I never had any doubt at any time in

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my life that I would live a political

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life and by the grace of God I've been

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able to do so and um and what has

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changed um in politics since you you

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entered um in Parliament since 1987 well

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on one level a great many things have

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changed but on a fundamental level they

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remain the same uh let me deal with the

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fundamental level first uh The World Is

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Still

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divided uh between the rich and powerful

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and the Poor and

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Powerless uh rich countries dominating

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poor countries rich people in the rich

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countries dominating the poor people in

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their countries and people in the poor

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countries also dominating and exploiting

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the poor in their countries that has not

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changed it will not change

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until the Socialist idea comes to pass

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the German revolutionary Rosa Luxembourg

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said uh almost a 100 years ago that uh

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the choice facing the world was

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Socialism or

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barbarism and uh I believe that's still

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the same choice so that has not changed

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uh what has changed is the uh

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stratification of people in class terms

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the number of blue color trade

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unionized

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proletarians in Britain and most Western

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countries it's obviously very much

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smaller now than it was when I was born

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when I was born uh factories

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employing 10 15,000 people inside one

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place Under One Roof in one Union uh

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were Common Place indeed my father

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worked in one and I later also worked in

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one uh that's no longer uh the case

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workers are are are are atomized more in

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different uh small employee employers

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and often times not involved in trade

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unions sometimes not allowed to be in

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trade unions so that's a big change uh

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when I was born

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98% of the

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people uh in 1955 so when I was one uh

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98% of the British people voted either

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labor or

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conservative only 2% voted for anyone

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else and of course that's very different

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now the two big parties labor and the

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conservatives will be lucky to achieve

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55% uh between them it's not even

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inconceivable that they'll get

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50% uh between them and so the plurality

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of the British uh party political scene

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vastly changed since uh I was young um

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however you can have a lot of different

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parties uh with different names uh

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wearing different colors uh but if they

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are fun fundamentally the same uh they

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have the same attitude to property power

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uh imperialism the things that make my

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politics tick then you you're as well

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having two or 22 it won't make any real

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difference you talking about plurality

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of British politics now we we saw um

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rise of nationalist parties such as NSP

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in Scotland and UK um and UK so in what

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sense it has actually affected your

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party and overshadowed your party's

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policies uh well it's definitely uh

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overshadowed Us in the sense that it's

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easy to sell

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nationalism

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chanism xenophobia racism it's easy to

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sell that to the simple-minded it's much

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more difficult to sell uh the Socialist

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idea to people in the current uh

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condition current political uh climate

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so njel farage has been much more

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successful than me uh although he's not

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a member of Parliament and I am and ukip

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uh for a long time had no members of

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parliament uh now have too um but that's

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because uh not necessarily because he's

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any uh better than me but because he's

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selling something

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eminently more easy to sell

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uh but it's a false prospectus why it's

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easier to sell well because there's a

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predisposition amongst people in uh

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Imperial countries like ours to believe

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that Johnny forigner is a problem uh

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Johnny forigner over there or Johnny

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forigner in our midst you can easily

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especially with Rupert Murdoch in the

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sun and the Daily Mail and so on at your

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uh site you can easily get the drum

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beats going

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people have real problems in this

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country and it's relatively easy uh to

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uh turn their attention to a scapegoat

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to uh uh to a whipping boy that can be

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blamed for these problems in the past in

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the 30s nationalists blamed the

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Jews uh today's nationalist blame the

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Muslims uh blame the immigrants blame

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the blacks blame the other

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even if the other actually looks just

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like you someone from Poland or lattia

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is relatively easy to turn your uh turn

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people's attention to to them but does

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your party have S sustainable stance on

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uh on the United

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EU well we support the EU uh we think it

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would be a catastrophe for Britain to

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leave the

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EU uh which is is not to say we support

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how the EU Works how it runs who leads

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it the uh perspectives that they have we

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don't we oppose all of those but the

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idea of a European Union ever deeper

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Union ever uh more profound Union is one

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that we support in fact we wish don't

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expect to see it anytime soon but we

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would wish for a United States of Europe

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uh which we think is the way forward for

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all uh all regions of the world a United

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African States a United Arab states a

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United Latin American states and a

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United European States that's the way

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forward but um as you have always been a

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leading orator in British politics also

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conservatives like um sir Peter tapsel

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they they always said so have you ever

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requested a debate to with Nel farage

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yes I've been pursuing him publicly for

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a debate for a long time uh in fact I

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think we could sell out the Albert Hall

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and I've proposed to him let's do it

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let's take the Albert Hall fill it raise

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a vast amount of money for your party

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and ours we'll split the proceeds uh but

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uh he's not uh uh accepting my challenge

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because I think he uh realizes that he'd

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get a much tougher time from me and from

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any of the other political leaders

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before going to Middle East as you are

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an expert on Middle East just lost

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Christian British politics is that um

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now David Cameron said that he would do

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dog at the TV debates lead um leadership

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so but some people they said no if if

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the green party are not included in that

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in those debates so if we actually

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include the green party in those debates

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as well would would you like your party

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to be in it in those debates well we'll

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we'll take a legal action to stop the

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debates if we're not uh because the

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greens have one Member of Parliament and

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so do we and moreover I've been uh

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elected six times to Parliament and the

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green MP has been elected once uh I've

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been elected as a respect MP twice the

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green party MP has been elected once

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I've been in Parliament almost 30 years

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she's been in for almost five so uh

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there's no argument at all in our view

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if you're going to have the greens in

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the debate then you have to have us and

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I pray to God over and over uh to be

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included in such debates because I I

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think that we would win

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them and now on the Middle East you you

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became very um familiar figure to the

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public of your Infamous statement to

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Sadam Hussein when you said I salute

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your courage Your courage so at that

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time do you think that was it the only

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leader who could stand up to West I

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wasn't actually uh addressing him with

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those remarks I was addressing the

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people of Iraq as a whole uh and I have

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explained that many hundreds of times so

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you'll have to forgive me if I uh if I

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excuse myself from doing so all over

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again uh I was not a supporter of Saddam

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Hussein I was an opponent of Saddam

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Hussein when British and American

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governments and business people were

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doing a roaring trade uh with Saddam

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Hussein for example I was one of the uh

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few opponents uh of saddam's attack

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against Iran uh I was on Iran side in

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the War uh I believed that building up a

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Ator like Saddam Hussein would would

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backfire just like the building up of

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al-Qaeda types all over the world has

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turned out to backfire another of the

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predictions that uh we made but uh when

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it came to uh starving to death hundreds

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of thousands of Iraqi children uh by

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sanction uh still more when it came to

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hundreds of thousands of Western

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soldiers invading and occupying Iraq we

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stood with Iraq and since 2003 you've

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been a leading figure of stop Coalition

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war and uh so my question is do to what

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extent do you think that you're being

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hurt because um uh in September the

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House of Commons voted for the second

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intervention in Iraq so are you being

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head at all well the previous year uh we

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stopped not just a British but their by

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a British and American attack on Syria

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under the pretext of Believe It or Not

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weapons of mass

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destruction uh we defeated the

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government by 13 votes in the uh chamber

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that was a very significant Victory and

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was a victory not just for our

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parliamentary performance and tactics

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though that was impressive I think uh

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but the opposition to war the skepticism

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about the case being made for war the

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lack of credibility of the British

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political class and

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Leadership uh is all directly related to

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the stop the war coalition's long

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campaign against British involvement in

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these wars so uh you can say we didn't

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stop the Iraq War that's true uh we

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probably did stop

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uh not

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ourselves

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alone of course the local conditions

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were not uh good for it but we probably

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did stop British governments committing

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themselves to further invasions of Syria

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of Iran uh and even of Iraq you make the

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point that Britain is bombing uh in Iraq

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again that's true uh but they're not

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going to send their soldiers there and

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so far they're not prepared to bomb

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Syria either so we have placed if you

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like parameters around the British

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government's ability to act in a way

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that it might have wanted to act and I

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think that's a tribute to the millions

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in Britain who marched behind our

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banners and you w said that it's not our

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war and um it's it's not our um it's we

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should not go and fight in Syria in Iraq

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or in Libya and it because it's not

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fight so uh whose war is it whose fight

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is it well what happens uh in uh Libya

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or Mali is a matter for the libyans and

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the malians I give those two just as an

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example uh the British have no right

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whatsoever to dictate the outcome of

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political conflict or struggle inside

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these countries we have a right to

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defend ourselves against any attack that

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comes against us from them or anyone uh

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we have a right to defend the rights of

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uh British citizens to go about their

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lawful business and so on but we don't

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have the right to interfere in other

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people's countries and this is an

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imperial hangover no one in Norway sits

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at night wondering what they should do

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in uh in

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madesu uh or in uh uh uh Mongolia they

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rightly uh have concluded that that's

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really not their business uh the problem

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is the British haven't wholly concluded

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that it's not their business uh from uh

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the 19th century Britain has been

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invading and occupying and looting other

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people's countries uh and it's got to

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stop uh sometimes they dress it up in

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you know Evangelical clothes or

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humanitarian clothes uh but as the

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Archbishop Desmond Tutu put it they came

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here with their rifle in one hand and

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their Bible in the other they taught us

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to pray with our eyes closed and when we

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opened them they'd stolen our country uh

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that's the role of uh imperialism and

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that's been the role of Britain in the

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imperialist uh age so uh you ask me

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whose war is it not ours uh neighbors

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can sometimes have and I argue this in

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my my book that I see you have I'm not

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the only one I argue the conditions that

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would be would need to be present before

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uh intervention by anyone in conflicts

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abroad would be

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legitimate uh and they are this uh if uh

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if a conflict inside a country has

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spilled over uh into neighboring

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countries clearly the neighboring

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country has uh a right maybe a duty to

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inter me I give you two examples uh

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Julius Neri got rest his soul when he

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was the leader of

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Tanzania uh invaded Uganda and brought

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down uh ID Amin the dictator there uh

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who had declared himself the last king

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of Scotland and who had massacred the

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local people but his massacres were

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beginning to impact on

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Tanzania uh and so nari was right to

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invade a second example was when Vietnam

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invaded Cambodia in order to destroy the

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uh unbelievably extreme government of

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paulp and the so-called K Rouge uh you

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may or may not know that Britain and the

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United States continued to recognize the

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kar Rouge to recognize Paul pot and

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insist that he kept his United Nations

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membership and seat at the United

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Nations they don't like to remember that

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now

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but uh the Vietnamese uh armed forces

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were right to intervene in Cambodia and

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bring down the kar rou regime because

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Vietnam was being affected by the

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nihilistic uh genocide that paulp had

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Unleashed in in neighboring uh Cambodia

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so I'm not saying I'm against

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intervention in all uh

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circumstances there are very few if any

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circumstances in which it can be right

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or

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productive or successful uh for the big

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Imperial powers to return to the scenes

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of their former crimes uh but sometimes

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there are uh there are grounds for

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Neighbors uh to combine the African

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Union being a very good example where a

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conflict is causing havoc in neighboring

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uh countries but there are three

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conditions that have to be uh satisfied

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first the action has to be powerful

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second it has to be uh proportionate and

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third it must do less harm than not

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intervening now on those three counts

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all of Britain's

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recent uh by which I mean over the last

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20 25 years all of Britain's recent

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military interventions in other

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countries have been not just unlawful

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not just

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counterproductive uh but have caused a

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multitude of other problems that didn't

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exist

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before and you said that it's up to the

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neighbors to fight this war but for

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example I take Saudi Arabia as example

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they've got

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F PL fire planes because Mar Michael

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potillo when he was the defense

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secretary he sold to Sou Arabia to fight

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planes but they haven't taken any

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actions to fight terrorism well Saudi

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Arabia is deeply implicated in the whole

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Isis

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story uh the takiri wahhabist uh

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mentality which they which keeps them

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going which is their fuel uh is an

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export of Saudi Arabia Saudi Arabians

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maybe not the state maybe individuals

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although where one stops and the other

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uh begins as a moot point uh has been

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responsible for the early funding of

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al-Qaeda and its uh offshoots Al-Qaeda

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itself was founded by a Saudi Usama Bin

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Laden uh Saudi

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Arabia's fear of hatred of its

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neighbors uh is a fundamental part of

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this

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narrative uh and it seems to me that

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Saudi Arabia can only

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dispel the widely held suspicion that

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they and Isis are one and the Same by

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decisively intervening to defeat them

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their neighbor Iraq if it is overrun by

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uh Isis which is an offshoot of

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al-Qaeda uh then Saudi Arabia will be

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next uh so they have every incentive

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to become involved uh but they're not

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involved uh there are no Saudi soldiers

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helping the Iraqis to defeat Isis as far

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as I know there are no Saudi airplanes

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in the air bombing Isis if there are

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they're almost certainly in Syria rather

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than in Iraq so uh Saudi Arabia should

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be held to account 13 of the 19 hijack

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on 911 were Saudi citizens none of them

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were Iranian none of them were Iraqi

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none of them were Afghans 13 of the 19

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were Saudis and Bin ladin's family as

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many now know were horridly facilitated

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in their exit from the United States in

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the 2 3 days after the mass m of 911 so

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Saudi Arabia is a deeply Sinister entity

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uh with uh uh a dark past uh and our

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ongoing productive profitable

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relationship with it is a very very dark

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mark and stain on the reputation of our

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own country now only two last questions

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on uh the Charlie ABDO attack in Paris I

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that we can't ignore those attacks so

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would you condemn um those attacks that

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happen uh occurred in Paris and those

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provocations

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and would you say that I'm rather

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offended that you should ask me that

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question what uh what sane person would

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not condemn uh the uh cold blooded

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murder of unarmed people the murder of

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police officers three of them the murder

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of uh Shoppers in a kosher uh

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supermarket in Paris these are

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despicable acts of coldblooded mass

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murder uh they are crimes

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and as the people involved in them claim

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to be religious it's worth pointing out

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they're not just crimes they are sins

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they are mortal sins for which the

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perpetrator will surely uh receive

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condemed punishment on the Judgment day

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and do you think that do you agree that

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they say multiculturalism has fell

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especially in this country well I'm not

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sure there is multiculturalism it's a

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strong man that's erected in order to

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knock it down anyone who's walked around

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the poor suburbs or of Paris and seen

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the teeming poverty in which the uh

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immigrant uh families and the Immigrant

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population live anyone who's experienced

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the racism of the French uh CRS the riot

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uh police anyone who has lived in France

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uh and been from a minority uh ethnic

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Community uh knows that multi

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multiculturalism is not quite the way

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you would describe living as a black or

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Muslim or even worse black Muslim uh

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person uh in France look we have no

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alternative there is no choice involed

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in this we are all mixed together in all

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these countries uh we

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cannot uh exter Pate even if we wanted

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to uh any of the minorities that live in

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our midst so we have no choice but to

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get along uh in a harmonious way and

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that means an end to bigotry and

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discrimination and racism London for

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example has the minorities are the

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majority in London 53% of the population

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of London are from the minority ethnic

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communities uh so we have a right for

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that to be reflected in the police force

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in the uh political class in the media

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and so on so far it is not uh there's a

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problem in Britain with racism but if

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you think Britain is racist you've never

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lived in

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France and um do you think that we

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should you you talked about Harmony do

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you think that we should all unite

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alongside each other Muslims Jews

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Catholics and Christians to combat

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extremism well Catholics are Christians

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too so there's no need for that uh false

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dichotomy uh of course extremism of any

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kind is

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Despicable Jewish extremists Christian

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extremists Muslim extremists Are all

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pedling uh a philosophy of Despair uh a

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council of Despair and if we uh don't

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defeat them they will tear us apart and

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we'll all be sunk uh I'm encouraged that

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most Muslims most most Christians and

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most Jews turn their back on that kind

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of extremism and my last question how do

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you foresee the future of the United

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Kingdom as a whole after the Scottish

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referend well the there's a real danger

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of the uh State breaking apart uh if God

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forbid the conservatives were to be

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reelected for example in May for another

520
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5 years there would there would almost

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certainly be another referendum uh on a

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Scottish Breakaway

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and and it would almost certainly be

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lost uh and then Britain would no longer

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exist as a state uh now there are some

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who find that proposition attractive I

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don't myself because what would happen

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is that the English state that would

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remain would continue to play

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the um uh

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pernicious perfidious role which the

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British state has played the English

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state would carry on playing that role

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it would still have a seat on the

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security Council it would still be a

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nuclear armed power it would still be in

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NATO it would still be a key American

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Ally all these things would continue so

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nothing would be gained in that regard

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uh but the state the English state that

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would be left behind would be almost

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certainly a perpetually right-wing State

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and it would create an economic

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environment for private profit

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capitalism uh that the Scottish state

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would have to replicate or die because

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no one's going to locate their business

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in a high tax High

549
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regulation uh Social Democratic Scotland

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if they can do so in the opposite

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conditions in England so there would

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then be a race to the bottom uh with

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Scotland and and England in a Dutch

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auction of how many regulations they

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could burn how many taxes they could cut

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how they could make life even easier for

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exploiters uh and uh as each did the

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other would uh respond and before long

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you'd have uh the lowest regulation

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lowest tax lowest public services that

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is possible to imagine uh so I hope that

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Britain will not break up uh but there's

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a real danger that it will thank you

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George Gallow for the clarity in order

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of you I'm very grateful to you thank

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you much thank you

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[Applause]