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there are some experts uh in the room uh

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Kate Hudson from the leader of of CND

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for example and I apologize to people

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like her uh if in the course of what I

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have to say I kind of state what to some

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people is the obvious uh but it's my

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experience that what one thinks is

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obvious isn't always at least not to

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everyone and uh there are some mistakes

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uh that are being made on Twitter and

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Facebook and in discourse that I'm

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seeing around the place that I want to

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insist that we must

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correct uh and I'm going to start with

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the most obvious uh of

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those

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our battle here our conflict our

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struggle here is not not not against

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Jews there are far too many people whose

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intentions hither to may not have been

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in any

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way

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ill but they're putting up foolish

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pictures of Hitler or of uh of Netanyahu

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dressed in a Hitler uniform or worse

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than that even seeing things like well

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now we know why Hitler uh did what he

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did this is completely unacceptable and

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some of you may know I have been

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remorselessly blocking on Twitter anyone

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who even vaguely uh touches the space

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across the line which is acceptable this

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is really really important for two

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reasons first of all hitlerism fascism

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is the worst most poisonous most

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murderous most genocidal ideology that

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ever existed and Muslims and others

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should know that once they were finished

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with the Jews it wouldn't have been long

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before they turned to Muslims they

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murdered Slavs they murdered anyone that

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they regarded as un men sub human and

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the Jews were the easiest and most uh

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tempting targ

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because of the sheer number of those in

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Germany when Hitler came to power it is

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a grotesque thing

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to call in any way in

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Aid the ideas of hitlerism or fascism

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when dealing with the monstrosity of

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Netanyahu and the actions of the Israeli

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State that's number one number two it's

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often a trap

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the hasbara the public diplomacy as it's

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euphemistically called professional and

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voluntary though we now know in the last

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few weeks students have been paid a

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stipend to join in this public diplomacy

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on social media and so on it is one of

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their principal tactics to lure their

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critics into a position where they can

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be described as anti

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semites and so some I don't know how

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many some of these provocations are

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being actually mounted by people whose

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principal purpose is to defend the

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crimes of Israel and if possible to get

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you to identify uh with the hateful

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anti-semitic uh imagery and words that

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they put out in my case I have to be

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extremely Vigilant I have now more than

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half a million people following me on

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social media all it needs is one person

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to put up such a post and I don't see it

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or my comrades don't see it perhaps for

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a few days maybe not at all in the sheer

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scale of the traffic and before you know

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it you have a story that somebody posted

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a picture of Hitler on my site and I

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left it there somehow uh endorsing it by

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having left it there so please be on

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your guard about any such talk any such

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provocations not just because they are

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wrong and they could not be more wrong

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but because they may even be a trap

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designed to strengthen not weaken

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Netanyahu and the Zionist gang who are

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carrying out these

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atrocities I put it this way this is not

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the

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Holocaust 1,000 people is horrific but

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it is not the Holocaust the Holocaust

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involved Millions upon millions of

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people perhaps 10 millions or more well

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over half of them Jews systematically

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industrially building factories in order

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to annihilate people and with a clear

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and defined General genocidal purpose

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this is not the

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Holocaust and Israel are not the

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Nazis but they are behaving like Nazis

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in this

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current

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conflict the dark

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heart of Zionism and its ideology and

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practice has been

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exposed and I said during castled and

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I'm saying it again

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now and the furor about it during cast

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lead was great the furor about it now is

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not because it's kind of

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obvious this may not be and is not the

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Holocaust but it is the Warsaw Ghetto in

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fact it's the Warsaw Ghetto in almost

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every

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particular the Nazis built a ghetto in

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Warsaw

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surrounded it by bar wire and guards

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with

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dogs and allowed the people inside to

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waste away and

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starve and to

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will the contraction of fatal disease

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which began one by one to wipe out the

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Jews entrapped in the Warsaw

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Ghetto

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deciding that they would rather die on

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their feet

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then die one by one on their knees or

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their bed or wait for their captor to

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come along and put them on a train to a

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gas chamber and kill them the Jews in

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the Warsaw Ghetto rose up and wrote

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their name in the

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stars the Nazis called them terrorists

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they actually used that W everybody else

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regarded them as Heroes as Freedom

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Fighters

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I maintain that the situation in Gaza is

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exactly comparable to the situation of

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the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto I believe

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that that is a fair

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comparison the situation in Gaza has

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gotten far worse since I was last there

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as you may know during castled some of

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you may even have been with me I led

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first one and then several Siege

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breaking convoys which entered Gaza and

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broke the siege bringing material aid

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but more importantly raising the banner

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of Palestine all the way through the

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countries that we traveled and lifting

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the spirits of the people entrapped in

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Gaza and the situation that we found

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there could hardly be worse we thought

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except it now is

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worse when we got there we discovered

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Something Like 880,000 Houses schools

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hospitals clinics public buildings of

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all kinds including the uh presidents

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residents including the uh airport

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expensively uh built by the European

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Union's

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taxpayers uh schools and hospitals

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expensively maintained by the world

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taxpayer through the United

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facilities provided by the taxpayers of

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many countries and the uh charity givers

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of many countries had all been

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systematically destroyed thousands and

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thousands of people had been killed or

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maimed something like 65,000 people were

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homeless the wreckage the ruin the smell

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of death was everywhere and it was a

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sounding to us that when we entered Gaza

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with our first

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Convoy in the middle of the night thanks

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to the then Mubarak

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dictatorship the entire Journey from the

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border at Rafa Into the Heart of Gaza

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City we were lined by at least half of

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the population of Gaza who had waited up

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all night to welcome the foreigners who

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had come quite an arduous Journey facing

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many difficulties most of them at the

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hands of Arab regimes to which I shall

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return they were grateful we were

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humbled humbled by the scale of the

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problems the pitiful Quantum of what we

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had been able to bring and humbled by

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the absolute determination sincerity

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piety and Fidelity of the people in the

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Gaza Enclave the Gaza open air prison as

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David camon once but only once briefly

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described it the situation now is being

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heaped upon a population that from the

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last day I was there uh which is in uh

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2009 so 5 years ago now is in every

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respect worse 80% of the people in Gaza

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are unemployed 80% of the people in Gaza

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are living on less than a dollar and a

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half a day 80% of the children of Gaza

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are either malnourished officially

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according to the measurements of the

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United Nations or

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undernourished every kind of problem is

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now and has been over the last 5 years

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since I was last there

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multiplying and the

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second Point therefore I wish to come to

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is to help people deal with they may

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already know it but if you don't here's

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the facts when you are

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told that the resistance in

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Gaza is hiding behind the civilian

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population is using the civilian

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population as human Shields when you're

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told why are are asked why are the

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weapons so close to the people in

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Gaza Gaza is 25 mil long and 4.5 mil

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wide it is one of the most densely

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populated places on the earth there is

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no open space in Gaza there are no

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mountains there is no jungle there is no

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place where there resist res istance

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could

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go even if it were wise for them to do

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so the resistance are the

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people it's not an army the Palestinians

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army they have

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fighters who are living in this hell

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hole and bearing arms for the day which

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comes often enough when their hell hole

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is invaded their family is

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massacred that little that they have is

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destroyed all around

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them they say why are the

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Rockets amongst the

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population the question is not why there

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are Rockets amongst the population

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everything and everybody is amongst the

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population the question is why are the

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Rockets now I bring you the dread news

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that David Ward my parliamentary

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colleague from Bradford East has has

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after a day of rough treatment no doubt

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categorically

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apologized for the tweet that he made

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yesterday I'm very sorry that he

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categorically apologized for it and as I

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said last night the synthetic

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Rage of new

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labor about what he said which was you

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don't know it if I was living in Gaza

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I'd be tempted to fire Rockets

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two is identical almost word for word to

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what Cher Blair

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said almost a decade ago charer Blair

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and the queen of Jordan having heard the

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miserable stories that they heard

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oped that the Wonder is not that some of

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these people become suicide bombers the

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Wonder is that more of them don't become

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suicide bombers that's actually as

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stronger statement than David Ward has

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now been prevailed upon to

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categorically apologize for and both

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Jerry Blair and David Ward were merely

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speaking the obvious

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truth after all if you were

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living in Gaza Under

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Siege if your children had been killed

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might be killed if your H had been might

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be destroyed at any moment and you could

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see through the wire the very land which

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was yours and from which you were driven

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CU there's another 80% in this story 80%

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of the people of Gaza are

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refugees they were never born in Gaza

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they were driven to Gaza as refugees and

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are now imprisoned within it and they

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can see many of

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them they can't see the village that

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they left because that's been destroyed

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and new cities built on top of it but

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they can see the land that which was

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once theirs and their

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parents what would you do if it was you

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would you take up arms against this sea

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of troubles and try by opposing to end

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them or would you what walk into the sea

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and commit suicide if you did you'd be

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shot before you go past shoulder

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deep would you simply lie down

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fatalistically and

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accept 65 more more than 65 years of

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this or would you

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fight well some of you may be pacifists

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I myself am not and unlike David W I

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wouldn't just fire Rockets I'd fight

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them with my bare hands if I could get

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my hands on the people

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responsible for these

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crimes write that down somebody will

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call on me to apologize tomorrow the one

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thing you can be sure of I'll not be

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apologizing categorically or otherwise

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for

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it no I'm

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I'm

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the

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so learn how

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to quickly and efficiently

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deal with that charge there are no human

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Shields there is no Army Palestinians

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have no planes no anti-aircraft missiles

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they have no ships they have nothing

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except their small

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arms and their Rockets now their Rockets

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are militarily for the moment almost

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entirely

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ineffective hardly a single casualty I

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think one dead uh has been wrecked by

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these uh

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Rockets but they do show as was pointed

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out in an article by a pro Israel

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columnist in the guardian

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today that whilst still

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asymmetrical that means

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one-sided this military conflict is less

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asymmetrical than it was before

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because now they have to Scurry for

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their a raid shelters in Tel Aviv and in

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Jerusalem the resistance has the

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distance it has no targeting mechanism

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has no Precision in its Weaponry they're

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extremely primitive but they can now

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strike anywhere in Israel and of course

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the resistance in the south of Lebanon

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has onad missile technology that can

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strike anywhere in Israel so though

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while still asymmetrical as the

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columnist put it today the conflict is

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less asymmetrical than it was

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before and in parenthesis reference to

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the resistance in uh the south of

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Lebanon let me make another

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Point whilst every Muslim in aaza is a

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Sunni

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Muslim

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none none of the Sunni Muslim regimes

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have lifted a finger to help the

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Palestinian people under bombardment not

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one only two countries have militarily

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made it possible for the resistance even

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to have the bullets in their small

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arms and those countries are Syria and

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Iran whom Muslims are encouraged to hate

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to regard as the devil so if you are a

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Sunni Muslim in the audience tonight

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think about that think about how utterly

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absurd that kind of deliberate

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division which

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some seek to uh open up indeed look at

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YouTube and see Isis the self-proclaimed

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caliphate which burned the Palestinian

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flag on top of a building in Aleppo uh

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just the other day because for them

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there are no countries there are no

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flags and the Palestinian flag is no

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different to any other flag see one

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there that's certainly not how we see it

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so um as I go through these issues uh

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put up your hands if you if you want to

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raise a question on any specific point

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that I make I'm going to keep speaking

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uh until someone uh does I want to move

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on to the

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media or the mijah

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hadin it is a

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peculiar

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sadness that

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the fourth

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estate the British media

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class has become so debased

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so degraded that it would appear that

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they are entirely

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oblivious to

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the linguistic crimes that they commit

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every other

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day I mean trky could write a book about

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the use of language probably

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is writing a book on this

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conflict it reached the n here surely

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when on Fox News where else John Kerry

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who else the foreign Secretary of the

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United States of America the greatest

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most powerful country on the earth said

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and I saw his lips move he really said

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this Israel is under siege from

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Hamas and just in case you missed it Fox

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put it up as a banner underneath Israel

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is under siege from

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Hamas what kind of Madness is

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this when the opposite is the truth some

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of it

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is so common place now that unless

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you're looking out for it you could very

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well miss

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it Palestinians die whilst Israelis are

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killed check it out when you see it

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reported you'll see see

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that Israeli soldiers were killed whilst

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25 Palestinians died under the

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bombardment speak

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up others there you go even

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worse Israel's operation is routinely in

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in fact I think um

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invariably referred to as an action

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against against

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militants when 75% of the people who

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have been killed were women and

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children how can a journalist write that

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how can a journalist say

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that they could say Israel claims that

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its operation is aimed at militants

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but the vast majority of those killed

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are women and

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children but they don't they repeat the

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Calum that this is an

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operation aimed at militants just coming

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here on the BBC I

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heard the BBC

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newscaster

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say we'll have reaction to the United

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Nations

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claims that Israel has committed war

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crimes in

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Gaza it's the United Nations that said

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it for God sake I mean who would have to

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write

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it for the claim to be treated as a

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finding

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God God claimed that

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Israel may have committed war crimes

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would it have to be

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that does any other finding by the

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United Nations get treated as a

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claim now one of the reasons for this my

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comrade Sheamus Millan from the guardian

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who would be with us except he's in

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Colombia uh told me this long

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ago that any journalist including him

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pauses momentarily over their keyboard

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before they type the word Israel or

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Israeli on their computer because they

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know that

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automatically there will be an onslaught

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an organized onslaught of of complaints

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criticisms distortions

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misrepresentations that they'll have to

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deal with after they have done it well

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of course one expects that one's

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journalists would be made of Sterner

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stuff than to therefore decline to do so

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but many unfortunately are

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not but here's an obvious area

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of something that we can do because I'm

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besieged by people asking me as many of

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you will what can we do well one of the

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things you can do is

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complain and it works last

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Saturday scores of thousands I don't

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know how

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many scores of thousands of people you

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may have been amongst them were on the

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Streets of London not a mile from the

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BBC yet not 1 second of the footage

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appeared on the BBC in fact on their

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website which only belatedly reported it

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they had to show a photograph branded

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with the logo of Channel

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4 so the BBC the world's great

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Broadcasting

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Corporation massively funded at your

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expense didn't even send a Stills

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photographer and had to use a picture

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from the much smaller uh Channel

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4 we

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began the leaders of the anti-war

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movement and the other organizations and

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speakers from the platform and so on we

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began to highlight that indeed the

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public were already noticing

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it and they deluged the BBC with

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complaints and I as some of you may know

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declared I'll not pay my license fee I

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refuse to pay a license fee so so that

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the British people can be lied to

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systematically on my money and a lot of

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people a lot are now contacting me to

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say either that they're going to do the

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same or that they have already begun

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refusing to pay their license fee by

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Sunday the BBC was giving the whole

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thing rather more attention than it had

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been on Saturday it

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works and at the very least it will make

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you feel better

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i' carry no flag for uh Jon Snow at

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channel 4 news but he hasn't half put

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his reputation Skyhigh by the way that

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he has reported this uh crisis so praise

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people when they deserve to be praised

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and criticize and attack their work uh

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when

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they

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don't a lot of people are asking me if

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we can send more convoys I'm sorry that

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we cannot for a variety of

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reasons first of all the first Convoy

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went through North

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Africa Libya had to be traversed 1,000

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kilomet that's simply impossible

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now in fact no one knows who is killing

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whom in Libya that great success story

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of the NATO intervention Libya was

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pretty bad before is 10 times worse now

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and nobody in their right mind would

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attempt to take a convoy across Libya

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and even if you

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did the regime in Egypt would stop you

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from Crossing just yesterday Tunisian

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Airways sent a Plane full of medical

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supplies from the people of

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Tunisia and when it attempted to land in

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Cairo it was refused permission to land

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and

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had to make a an urgent stop elsewhere

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before flying back to Tunisia with all

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the supplies still on

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board and here our segue into

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Egypt there are some

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fools who

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believed that the overthrow of

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Mory was something worth

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celebrating there are fools who told us

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with

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gusto that General CCE was the new

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NASA there were liberals even

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leftists on the

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streets with the generals and the

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Jun cheering their support for General

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Cece and his military Jun it is now

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clear that one at least of the purposes

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00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:02,600
of the overthrow of the Mori government

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was so that Egypt could clear the decks

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for this annihilation of the

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Palestinians in Gaza don't get me

563
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:16,320
wrong I think Mory was a

564
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:19,679
turkey if you forgive the

565
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:22,440
metaphor I think he was a lousy

566
00:30:19,679 --> 00:30:24,679
president I think he made every single

567
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,039
mistake it was possible to make in just

568
00:30:24,679 --> 00:30:28,480
one

569
00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:29,840
year but he wasn't overthrown

570
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,640
for those

571
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:34,039
reasons and he wasn't overthrown by

572
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:37,000
something

573
00:30:34,039 --> 00:30:40,480
better and since CeCe came to power he

574
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,799
has not just massacred thousands and

575
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:45,159
thousands of

576
00:30:41,799 --> 00:30:49,360
Egyptians tortured thousands more

577
00:30:45,159 --> 00:30:52,559
incarcerated tens of thousands more than

578
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:55,480
25,000 he hasn't just sentenced to death

579
00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:59,039
hundreds of people at one

580
00:30:55,480 --> 00:31:01,080
sitting at the last count eight 80

581
00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:03,600
people have been convicted and sentenced

582
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:05,399
to death in Egypt for the murder of one

583
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:08,159
police

584
00:31:05,399 --> 00:31:12,120
officer must have been a hell of a

585
00:31:08,159 --> 00:31:14,320
murder 880 people have been sentenced to

586
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:17,240
death for the murder of one

587
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:21,679
person he hasn't just done

588
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:25,360
that he has completed mubarak's

589
00:31:21,679 --> 00:31:28,279
work of destroying the means of life of

590
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:32,039
the Palestinians in Gaza the tunnels

591
00:31:28,279 --> 00:31:37,279
through which they were being fed and

592
00:31:32,039 --> 00:31:40,679
supplied but he has been a

593
00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:44,320
stalwart of the Israeli American

594
00:31:40,679 --> 00:31:47,480
position in this conflict which leads me

595
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:50,399
to another point that people ask

596
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:52,840
me why did Hamas

597
00:31:50,399 --> 00:31:55,519
refuse the ceas

598
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:57,480
fire that Egypt

599
00:31:55,519 --> 00:32:00,039
negotiated well the answer is they

600
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:02,639
didn't negotiate it with anybody least

601
00:32:00,039 --> 00:32:04,960
of all the Palestinians who are one of

602
00:32:02,639 --> 00:32:08,320
the parties to the

603
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:10,200
fighting they heard Israel's demands

604
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:14,360
they consulted with the United States

605
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:16,720
and they issued what they called a call

606
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,720
for a

607
00:32:16,919 --> 00:32:22,519
ceasefire the position of the

608
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:25,840
Palestinian resistance is obvious we

609
00:32:22,519 --> 00:32:29,760
cannot stop fighting while your siege

610
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:32,840
continues we cannot stop fighting at

611
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:36,399
Egyptian instigation as long as Egypt is

612
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:39,720
sealing the border at Rafa and trapping

613
00:32:36,399 --> 00:32:43,039
our people inside and trapping the means

614
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:47,240
of life for them

615
00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:51,200
outside this is normal and not only did

616
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:55,440
Hamas say that but the PLO which is

617
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:58,760
dominated by the fata organization which

618
00:32:55,440 --> 00:33:01,200
is the mainstream government

619
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,840
Authority in the Palestine Authority

620
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:07,240
based in rala the

621
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:10,279
PLO and Hamas have both said that this

622
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:13,159
conflict cannot end under a return to

623
00:33:10,279 --> 00:33:17,639
the status quo ante because the status

624
00:33:13,159 --> 00:33:19,720
quo an is death by a Thousand Cuts it's

625
00:33:17,639 --> 00:33:22,519
the Warsaw

626
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:26,000
Ghetto which leads me to another

627
00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:28,279
point is it all

628
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:32,000
Hamas you've heard me say this

629
00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:34,799
before I'm not a supporter of Hamas I

630
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:39,320
don't actually even like

631
00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:42,960
Hamas I wouldn't vote for them in 100

632
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:45,760
years but the people in Palestine did

633
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:47,519
vote for them and if we've learned one

634
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:50,120
thing in our long imperial history it

635
00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:53,120
surely is that the only people who are

636
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:55,880
entitled to choose the leadership of any

637
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:58,880
people are that people

638
00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:03,519
themselves in any case

639
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:06,960
much of the resisting is done not just

640
00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:09,960
by Hamas but by many other organizations

641
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:13,119
Islamic organizations like Islamic Jihad

642
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:15,480
and others and leftist

643
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:17,800
organizations principally the popular

644
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:20,159
front for the liberation of Palestine

645
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:23,399
which has a very strong presence

646
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:25,679
actually in Gaza more in Gaza than

647
00:34:23,399 --> 00:34:29,679
anywhere else amongst the people so

648
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:32,960
don't allow them to use Hamas as a short

649
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:34,399
hand in describing the Palestinian

650
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:39,320
people in

651
00:34:34,399 --> 00:34:45,359
Gaza somebody just tweeted before I came

652
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:47,119
in his picture he said I'm in Gaza City

653
00:34:45,359 --> 00:34:51,240
I'm hoping to

654
00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:56,720
survive but if I don't tell them I

655
00:34:51,240 --> 00:34:58,440
wasn't Hamas I wasn't a human shield I

656
00:34:56,720 --> 00:35:02,160
was just a palestin

657
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:05,400
with The Misfortune to be in

658
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:09,040
Gaza most of the people in Gaza are not

659
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:14,079
in Hamas many of the people fighting in

660
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:16,880
Gaza are not Hamas the PLO supports the

661
00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:20,800
stand of the Palestinian resistance in

662
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:24,280
Gaza towards this conflict so that's

663
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:26,400
another issue uh that I wanted to deal

664
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:29,640
with yes sister at the back I was going

665
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,640
to say

666
00:35:55,070 --> 00:36:00,800
[Music]

667
00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:00,800
no I don't uh first of all first of

668
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,480
all yeah I've got I've got your point

669
00:36:04,359 --> 00:36:09,920
but you didn't hear what I said earlier

670
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:12,480
there are no Shia in Palestine there is

671
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:16,560
not a single there is not a there is not

672
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:20,040
a single Shiite Palestinian they don't

673
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:21,920
exist so there are no Shia militia and I

674
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:24,760
don't know what you mean by like

675
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,839
Iran but the first point that you made

676
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:29,200
is a good

677
00:36:25,839 --> 00:36:31,560
one that the Palestinian people have to

678
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,720
unite themselves and guess what they had

679
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:36,200
just done

680
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:41,200
so which is one of the reasons for the

681
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:44,200
war finally a national Unity agreement

682
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:48,280
between Hamas and fata had been

683
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:52,319
reached and the president was about to

684
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:56,800
reopen his various organs of power in

685
00:36:52,319 --> 00:36:58,400
Gaza Netanyahu said to Mahmud Abbas the

686
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,880
president of

687
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:04,240
Palestine you can choose Hamas or you

688
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:05,240
can choose peace laughably but you can't

689
00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:08,880
have

690
00:37:05,240 --> 00:37:11,640
both well Abbas did laugh finally and

691
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:14,880
said I don't see much peace so I will

692
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:17,440
have Hamas thank you very much and a

693
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:20,800
national Unity government was formed and

694
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:23,040
you're right it is absolutely vital that

695
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,839
the Palestinians have only one

696
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:28,680
address when Arafat was alive there was

697
00:37:25,839 --> 00:37:32,000
only one address him with wherever he

698
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:34,480
happened to be dodging the bombs and the

699
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,800
bullets since arafat's death which was

700
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:39,680
one of the reasons for killing

701
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,839
him the Palestinians have been

702
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:44,720
thoroughly

703
00:37:40,839 --> 00:37:48,800
divided and the house divided is a house

704
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:51,880
Gravely weakened but that is over now

705
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:55,240
and we now have a national Unity

706
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:58,319
government I wanted to come on to the

707
00:37:55,240 --> 00:38:01,280
proximate cause of this

708
00:37:58,319 --> 00:38:04,240
War seems a long time ago

709
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:06,760
now but three teenage

710
00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:08,440
boys 16 years

711
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:12,280
old

712
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:15,200
settlers in the West Bank living near

713
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:17,560
Hebron in one of the most extreme

714
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:20,280
settlements anywhere to be

715
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:22,960
found were kidnapped and

716
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:24,240
murdered as it happens Israel knew that

717
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:28,079
they had been

718
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:30,760
murdered only an hour or two after the

719
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:33,240
crime had been

720
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:37,280
committed but they

721
00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:40,319
deliberately inflated a propaganda

722
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:42,119
campaign bring back our boys whatever

723
00:38:40,319 --> 00:38:43,480
happened to that Bring Back Our Girls by

724
00:38:42,119 --> 00:38:46,440
the way whatever happened to those

725
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:49,760
Nigerian girls that Michelle Obama was

726
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:52,319
so occupied with so very briefly bring

727
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,680
back our boys was their campaign even

728
00:38:52,319 --> 00:38:59,440
though they knew that they had been

729
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:59,440
killed murdered in a criminal act

730
00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:06,599
they accused Hamas of having murdered

731
00:39:03,839 --> 00:39:09,760
these three teenagers but to this day

732
00:39:06,599 --> 00:39:13,119
they have not produced a single cintilla

733
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:14,520
of evidence even for the media never

734
00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:17,240
mind a

735
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:21,440
court which places the responsibility

736
00:39:17,240 --> 00:39:24,760
for that crime on Hamas in any case

737
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:28,400
whoever committed it by definition was

738
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:32,200
in the West Bank you can't get out of

739
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:35,440
Gaza so nobody in Gaza could have had

740
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:38,400
anything to do with that crime Israel

741
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:42,040
immediately began bombing Gaza and as

742
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:45,520
you know have now killed and maed

743
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:47,640
thousands uh of people and of course in

744
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:52,000
the immediate wake of the murder of the

745
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:55,680
three Israeli settler teenagers a

746
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:58,319
Palestinian teenager was abducted uh in

747
00:39:55,680 --> 00:40:01,440
Jerusalem petrol was poured down his

748
00:39:58,319 --> 00:40:06,520
throat and he was set on

749
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:11,960
fire nobody dreamt of destroying their

750
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:15,200
the Killer's parents' home nobody dreamt

751
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:17,599
of carpet bombing the neighborhood where

752
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:21,200
the killers of that Palestinian teenager

753
00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:23,760
had come from nobody dreamt of

754
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:26,720
authorizing the murder of entirely

755
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:30,720
innocent people elsewhere because of the

756
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:31,960
cruel mother of that Palestinian boy yet

757
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:35,400
it has been

758
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:37,680
accepted as some kind of legitimate

759
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:40,000
response that three children are killed

760
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:43,839
in the West Bank so you can kill

761
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:46,640
hundreds of children in Gaza which by

762
00:40:43,839 --> 00:40:50,440
definition had absolutely nothing to do

763
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:52,359
with it I want to come on now to the

764
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:56,079
things that we can

765
00:40:52,359 --> 00:40:58,359
do we must continue these demonstrations

766
00:40:56,079 --> 00:41:01,960
another demonstration of has been called

767
00:40:58,359 --> 00:41:05,440
for Saturday it's vital that these

768
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:10,880
demonstrations are big and we have a

769
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:14,400
reputation to maintain and we want to uh

770
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:17,520
show other countries particularly Arab

771
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:21,319
countries uh where there are precious

772
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:24,240
few demonstrations the kind of scale of

773
00:41:21,319 --> 00:41:26,440
the uprising that's taking place in

774
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:29,240
Europe and North America on this subject

775
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,240
yes the lady in second

776
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:59,839
ideology

777
00:41:56,240 --> 00:42:03,240
ofed equality Beyond religion Beyond

778
00:41:59,839 --> 00:42:05,040
race because this will happen next well

779
00:42:03,240 --> 00:42:06,359
not every single person in here is

780
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,839
extremely

781
00:42:06,359 --> 00:42:13,040
young there's a p of Mind John Bavon

782
00:42:08,839 --> 00:42:15,640
there who's even older than me uh but uh

783
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,880
it's true that the majority of people

784
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,160
here are young and the majority of

785
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:22,520
people on the demonstrations are young

786
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:25,960
and that's our greatest asset we have

787
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:29,240
mobilized young people uh in huge

788
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:31,680
numbers and and all over the world which

789
00:42:29,240 --> 00:42:35,680
is the reason I'm optimistic you should

790
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:38,599
not be pessimistic in fact when I

791
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:41,359
started in this struggle in 1975 you

792
00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:43,640
could have fitted all the supporters of

793
00:42:41,359 --> 00:42:46,760
the Palestinians in the whole of Britain

794
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:48,599
into this room and had room for several

795
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:52,640
elephants at the

796
00:42:48,599 --> 00:42:55,359
back it was a very hot potato indeed to

797
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:58,640
say that you supported the PLO in

798
00:42:55,359 --> 00:43:00,960
1975 now we are millions tens of

799
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:06,720
millions in this country and hundreds of

800
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:06,720
millions of people around the world so

801
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:17,480
actually actually you have nothing at

802
00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:19,680
all to fear because the media knows even

803
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:22,680
if it ignores it the political class

804
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:26,359
knows even if for the moment they ignore

805
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:29,440
it the Israelis know that actually there

806
00:43:26,359 --> 00:43:32,480
is a giant enormous swing in public

807
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:35,359
opinion in the world and even in the

808
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:37,119
United States and most importantly in

809
00:43:35,359 --> 00:43:39,839
the United States the movement for

810
00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:42,920
boycott divestment and sanctions in the

811
00:43:39,839 --> 00:43:45,640
United States is growing a pace public

812
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:48,559
opinion in the United States even before

813
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:51,319
this latest crisis had moved into a

814
00:43:48,559 --> 00:43:53,599
position where a majority of Americans

815
00:43:51,319 --> 00:43:57,800
thought that the United States was

816
00:43:53,599 --> 00:44:03,559
either too close to or far too too close

817
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:06,680
to Israel 55% uh said so uh and uh this

818
00:44:03,559 --> 00:44:07,800
change in public opinion has been going

819
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:11,440
on since

820
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:14,480
1982 I'm in a position to chart that and

821
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:16,720
testify to that since the invasion of

822
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:19,520
Lebanon in 1982 and the massacres of

823
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:22,200
Sabra and chatila the bank balance

824
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:24,079
public opinion political capital of

825
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:26,720
Israel has been running down it's hard

826
00:44:24,079 --> 00:44:28,920
for you to remember but some of us are

827
00:44:26,720 --> 00:44:31,760
old the enough in here to remember when

828
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:34,280
Israel was a really popular country

829
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:36,240
left-wing people left University and

830
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,200
went to go and live on

831
00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:40,079
kibuts and thought that they were

832
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:42,440
practicing

833
00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:45,079
socialism we pointed out at the time

834
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:47,440
that the kibuts are to socialism as a

835
00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:50,359
group of Thieves agreeing to share their

836
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:52,920
spoils equally but not many people saw

837
00:44:50,359 --> 00:44:55,880
it that way trade

838
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:58,079
unions almost all of them had the

839
00:44:55,880 --> 00:45:00,359
closest possible relation relationship

840
00:44:58,079 --> 00:45:06,480
with the Israeli trade

841
00:45:00,359 --> 00:45:08,440
unions and Israel seemed like a really

842
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:12,839
hip

843
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:15,960
swinging liberal place in an Arab world

844
00:45:12,839 --> 00:45:19,000
that people saw as backward and

845
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:22,800
reactionary in the 1960s and even into

846
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:27,079
the 1970s Israel was enormously popular

847
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:29,880
in the world now it is the most

848
00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:32,960
unpopular country in the world and as I

849
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:34,319
said on Saturday people still move yes

850
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:37,359
for

851
00:45:34,319 --> 00:45:41,000
Israel but in Shakespeare's words they

852
00:45:37,359 --> 00:45:43,400
move not out of love they move out of

853
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:47,599
interest and interests can change and

854
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:50,200
are changing even Kerry just before he

855
00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:52,200
went on to make that ludicrous statement

856
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:57,040
that Israel was under

857
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:59,800
siege by the Palestinians was caught

858
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:04,480
on tape though not on

859
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:07,880
air cursing the Israeli attack on Gaza

860
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:09,839
that's their real attitude we have to

861
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:12,520
turn that real attitude into their

862
00:46:09,839 --> 00:46:15,480
public attitude or just a year or two

863
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:19,920
ago maybe more

864
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:22,960
sarosi and uh and Obama were caught

865
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:26,160
similarly on tape discussing

866
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:29,280
Netanyahu and sarosi said thinking the

867
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:33,079
mic was not live I can't stand to look

868
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:36,400
at netanyahu's face he's such a

869
00:46:33,079 --> 00:46:38,119
liar and Obama said you can't stand to

870
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:41,559
look at his face what about me I have to

871
00:46:38,119 --> 00:46:43,200
deal with him every day that's their

872
00:46:41,559 --> 00:46:45,559
real

873
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:47,960
attitude and I happen to know because

874
00:46:45,559 --> 00:46:51,200
I've long before he was president I have

875
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:54,880
personally talked to Obama on a

876
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:57,520
demonstration for fully 25 minutes about

877
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:59,920
Palestine and he told me

878
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:03,440
that the late and great Professor Edward

879
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:06,480
S schooled me educated me on every

880
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:08,559
aspect of this conflict so he doesn't

881
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,760
have The Alibi the last guy did of being

882
00:47:08,559 --> 00:47:13,880
an

883
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:18,680
imbecile Obama knows very well what the

884
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:21,440
truth is so all over the world public

885
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:25,960
opinion is with us and Swinging

886
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:29,319
massively uh with us and this horrific

887
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:32,960
series of of massacres and killings uh

888
00:47:29,319 --> 00:47:36,480
can only have hastened the day when the

889
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:39,079
real attitude of our leaders becomes the

890
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:42,640
actual public uh attitude the gentleman

891
00:47:39,079 --> 00:47:42,640
in the front yeah

892
00:47:58,839 --> 00:48:01,559
I know it well

893
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:09,200
yeah right now

894
00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:13,240
from

895
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:13,240
and resistance is coming

896
00:48:17,079 --> 00:48:26,119
from we support only stand us and

897
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,000
you know just wait for

898
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:40,559
the well he has I mean I'm the last

899
00:48:35,839 --> 00:48:42,880
person to uh jump to Abu mazen's defense

900
00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:45,599
uh I can hardly believe I'm about to say

901
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:49,440
what I'm about to say but he has

902
00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:52,680
actually uh and the PLO did endorse the

903
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:55,559
stand of the resistance in Gaza in

904
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:57,240
refusing this so-called ceasefire offer

905
00:48:55,559 --> 00:49:00,440
from Egypt

906
00:48:57,240 --> 00:49:05,240
and he is meeting caring now and I hope

907
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:08,760
he is insisting on the terms of a

908
00:49:05,240 --> 00:49:11,680
military uh sensation because and you'll

909
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:15,160
know this very well uh when you are

910
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:17,520
bombing people from uh the skies you you

911
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:19,599
you're shooting fish in a battle you're

912
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:22,319
killing people who can't possibly fight

913
00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:24,880
you back but once your soldiers go in on

914
00:49:22,319 --> 00:49:27,960
the ground then you're up close and

915
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:31,359
personal and the resistance is done very

916
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:34,680
well ever since this ground Invasion

917
00:49:31,359 --> 00:49:37,599
took place they have been taking a to on

918
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:39,880
the Invader and many of the Invaders

919
00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:42,480
don't want to be there some of them are

920
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:45,119
talking about it when they come out and

921
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:47,200
seeing so one of them has been captured

922
00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:49,920
and it will now be the new

923
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:51,640
Shalit uh so the

924
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:55,720
resistance uh

925
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:57,200
militarily has fought well and bravely

926
00:49:55,720 --> 00:50:00,960
uh since this GR

927
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:02,920
Invasion and the PLO are supporting them

928
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:07,280
uh which is a measure of how things have

929
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:09,680
changed since this Unity agreement it's

930
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:13,240
up to the Palestinians to choose their

931
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:15,319
leaders I did not choose either Hamas or

932
00:50:13,240 --> 00:50:18,079
Mahmud Abbas and I wouldn't have voted

933
00:50:15,319 --> 00:50:21,559
for either of them but the Palestinians

934
00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:23,359
have to get their democracy back you see

935
00:50:21,559 --> 00:50:26,160
abas I'm calling him the president he's

936
00:50:23,359 --> 00:50:27,920
not actually the president his term as

937
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:31,200
president ended long

938
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:33,319
ago isma Hanah the prime minister in

939
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:37,160
Gaza is no longer the Prime Minister his

940
00:50:33,319 --> 00:50:39,640
term ended a long time ago in any case

941
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:41,599
the West Bank and Gaza are not all of

942
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:44,960
Palestine and the people under

943
00:50:41,599 --> 00:50:47,440
occupation or Siege are only a small

944
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:50,720
fraction of the Palestinian

945
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:53,240
people 34s of the Palestinians are not

946
00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:55,920
living under occupation at all they're

947
00:50:53,240 --> 00:50:58,000
living as refugees in camps in the

948
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,200
countries nearby by or in Exile around

949
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,000
the world like

950
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:06,000
you

951
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:07,839
and in the old days before Oslo the PLO

952
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:10,880
represented all the Palestinians

953
00:51:07,839 --> 00:51:13,040
wherever they were in the world and the

954
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:15,119
political balance on the executive

955
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:17,559
committee was carefully chosen to

956
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:20,240
reflect the relative strength of the

957
00:51:17,559 --> 00:51:22,799
political Trends within the Palestinian

958
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:25,640
national movement and that has to uh be

959
00:51:22,799 --> 00:51:27,760
done again on your second point about

960
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:29,200
the Arab leader

961
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:33,760
I mean don't get me

962
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:35,599
started uh it is somewhere

963
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,760
between

964
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:40,880
pitiful and

965
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:47,640
unbelievable that not a

966
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:51,040
single leader not one has been able to

967
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:55,240
even bring themselves to say anything

968
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:58,839
never mind do anything meaningful about

969
00:51:55,240 --> 00:52:00,079
this catastrophe indeed some of them are

970
00:51:58,839 --> 00:52:03,000
openly

971
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:06,839
collaborating With the Enemy in this

972
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:09,160
murderous assault erdogan has made some

973
00:52:06,839 --> 00:52:12,720
very good statements in the last 48

974
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:15,680
hours they would be more is the Turkish

975
00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:18,640
prime minister soon to be president they

976
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:21,079
would be more credible if Turkey did not

977
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:24,280
maintain diplomatic relations with

978
00:52:21,079 --> 00:52:28,000
Israel have a military alliance with

979
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:30,720
Israel perform war games with Israel and

980
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:33,559
they would be more powerful if Israel

981
00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:37,880
was not getting its oil shipped through

982
00:52:33,559 --> 00:52:41,440
Turkish ports from baran's oil fields in

983
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:43,520
the north of Iraq in the Kurdish area

984
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:47,200
but nonetheless what he has said is

985
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:50,000
right and it should be supported but

986
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:51,920
turkey is not an Arab country and Iran

987
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:56,040
is not an Arab country but they are the

988
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:59,319
only two that are uh seeing anything

989
00:52:56,040 --> 00:53:01,520
where are the Arabs where are the Arab

990
00:52:59,319 --> 00:53:03,880
leaders it's not that this is just an

991
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:06,040
Arab issue it's not that this is just a

992
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,640
Muslim issue but you would have thought

993
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:12,839
the Arabs and Muslims would be in the

994
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:17,839
front line instead of Western public

995
00:53:12,839 --> 00:53:17,839
opinion in the front line yes

996
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:28,040
sirra but he has had to stand down

997
00:53:25,319 --> 00:53:30,359
because of the the Israel Lobby in the

998
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:33,640
United States so what can be to weaken

999
00:53:30,359 --> 00:53:37,040
this influence of the isra lited

1000
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:38,400
states well first of all Obama doesn't

1001
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,680
have to do

1002
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:44,359
anything he's the most powerful

1003
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:46,440
individual on the earth those who argue

1004
00:53:44,359 --> 00:53:48,880
that you know he's just a puppet and has

1005
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:52,119
big forces and powers and so on that

1006
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:55,880
manipulate that's just nonsense if Obama

1007
00:53:52,119 --> 00:53:58,200
wanted to he could do so not least

1008
00:53:55,880 --> 00:54:00,280
because he's in the second term of his

1009
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:03,640
presidency he will never stand for

1010
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:07,240
election again why doesn't he

1011
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:10,240
actually secure some kind of Legacy by

1012
00:54:07,240 --> 00:54:12,799
telling the truth at least a truth which

1013
00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:16,319
I've already told you he absolutely

1014
00:54:12,799 --> 00:54:19,040
knows it's not that he's ignorant uh of

1015
00:54:16,319 --> 00:54:22,960
it but there is of course an Israel

1016
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:26,440
Lobby and here we need to again uh make

1017
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:29,000
some important points first of all the

1018
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:31,319
vast majority of the people in the

1019
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:35,280
Israel Lobby in the United States are

1020
00:54:31,319 --> 00:54:39,040
not Jews you do not have to be a Jew to

1021
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:41,520
be a Zionist and many Jews are not

1022
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,520
zionists and you've seen the rabbis on

1023
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:46,799
our

1024
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:46,799
demonstrations and there are many

1025
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:55,839
secular and there are many many secular

1026
00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:57,359
and Progressive and leftist Jews uh

1027
00:54:55,839 --> 00:55:02,520
around the world World maybe in this

1028
00:54:57,359 --> 00:55:05,000
room all over the movement uh the vast

1029
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:08,040
majority of the people in the Israel

1030
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:11,200
Lobby in the United States are fanatic

1031
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:14,440
Christians fanatic Christian

1032
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:17,720
zionists and there's 60 or 70 million of

1033
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:21,839
those and that's where their

1034
00:55:17,720 --> 00:55:24,079
power arises because if you've got tens

1035
00:55:21,839 --> 00:55:27,280
of millions of votes that you can

1036
00:55:24,079 --> 00:55:30,200
mobilize if you can raise tens hundreds

1037
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:33,520
of millions of dollars for political

1038
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:36,640
campaigns then you're a powerful

1039
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:38,599
operation but of course however many

1040
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:41,480
there are there are many more who are

1041
00:55:38,599 --> 00:55:43,720
not however much money they've got if

1042
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:46,720
the rest of us put our mind to it we

1043
00:55:43,720 --> 00:55:48,599
could do better let's take

1044
00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:52,559
Britain let's

1045
00:55:48,599 --> 00:55:54,200
assume that 50% of the Jews in Britain

1046
00:55:52,559 --> 00:55:55,680
are Zionist supporters of Israel it

1047
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:59,400
would be more than that but let's assume

1048
00:55:55,680 --> 00:56:02,760
it 50% of the Jews in Britain equals

1049
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:05,520
100,000 people there's only 200,000 Jews

1050
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:07,920
in the United Kingdom there's 2 million

1051
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:10,880
Muslims in the United

1052
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:13,559
Kingdom most Jews are middle class only

1053
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:17,520
a few Jews are Mega

1054
00:56:13,559 --> 00:56:19,960
rich but of the 2 million Muslims in

1055
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:22,440
Britain there are some of the most

1056
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:25,359
wealthy people in the

1057
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:27,760
country and when you talk about Muslim

1058
00:56:25,359 --> 00:56:30,599
money in Britain

1059
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:34,000
I was once asked by a son of shik

1060
00:56:30,599 --> 00:56:35,799
Z how come the Israeli Lobby is so much

1061
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:38,720
better than our lobby I said we don't

1062
00:56:35,799 --> 00:56:41,160
have a lobby but within a mile of this

1063
00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:44,000
restaurant there are Arabs throwing

1064
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:46,960
millions of pounds on the casino tables

1065
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:49,839
in the gambling joints of London that

1066
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:51,799
could pay for 10 lobbies in other words

1067
00:56:49,839 --> 00:56:54,599
the point I'm making is we mustn't be

1068
00:56:51,799 --> 00:56:57,119
fatalistic about this that they have all

1069
00:56:54,599 --> 00:57:00,440
the power they have all the m money they

1070
00:56:57,119 --> 00:57:02,359
control this they control that in fact

1071
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:05,720
every one of these areas could and must

1072
00:57:02,359 --> 00:57:09,880
and is being contested and it needs to

1073
00:57:05,720 --> 00:57:11,599
be contested more uh fiercely because

1074
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:13,760
the

1075
00:57:11,599 --> 00:57:16,039
politicians don't say what they must

1076
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:18,440
know to be true because they're

1077
00:57:16,039 --> 00:57:19,880
scared we've got to make them scared of

1078
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:22,559
not doing

1079
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:24,480
so we've got to make them that's why

1080
00:57:22,559 --> 00:57:26,839
David Ward said what he

1081
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:28,920
said because we're breathing down his

1082
00:57:26,839 --> 00:57:31,319
neck in Bradford East and because there

1083
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:32,440
are a lot of Muslim voters there I don't

1084
00:57:31,319 --> 00:57:35,440
know what they'll think of him now that

1085
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:37,559
he's categorically apologized I hope I

1086
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:39,280
know what they'll think of that

1087
00:57:37,559 --> 00:57:42,440
categoric apology but we have to make

1088
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:46,559
all these politicians scared they've got

1089
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:49,480
to know that if they don't stand up on

1090
00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:51,599
this they can forget about our votes

1091
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:53,400
they can forget about our contribution

1092
00:57:51,599 --> 00:57:56,960
they can forget about trying to recruit

1093
00:57:53,400 --> 00:58:00,039
us to their parties and that's the

1094
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:01,720
spirit and the mentality that we must uh

1095
00:58:00,039 --> 00:58:04,160
adopt whatever differences there are

1096
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:08,039
between us I mean frankly you couldn't

1097
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:11,960
get a more divided people than the

1098
00:58:08,039 --> 00:58:14,559
Jews the Jewish political class hates

1099
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:16,280
each other with a Vengeance that makes

1100
00:58:14,559 --> 00:58:19,000
your eyes water they punch each other in

1101
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:22,319
the parliament they are extremely

1102
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:25,760
divided but they're United on one

1103
00:58:22,319 --> 00:58:28,160
thing namely the interests of the state

1104
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:30,440
of isra Israel and we have to get into a

1105
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:33,160
situation where whatever our difference

1106
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:35,359
is we are united on one thing which is

1107
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:37,880
the opposite of the thing that they are

1108
00:58:35,359 --> 00:58:39,760
united upon let's take some more from

1109
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:44,760
the body of the hall the young lady in

1110
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:44,760
the black dress I think yes

1111
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:16,240
well um most of the Angry Young Muslim

1112
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:19,480
men are being seduced into other

1113
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:21,880
conflicts I talked about the inability

1114
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:24,039
of a convoy going through Libya the

1115
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:26,680
European route is also closed to us

1116
00:59:24,039 --> 00:59:30,160
because it requires us to go through

1117
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:32,559
Syria and self-evidently we could not do

1118
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:36,680
so not least because of the presence of

1119
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:40,559
several hundred reportedly uh young

1120
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:43,400
angry and extremized radicalized Muslim

1121
00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:47,319
youth from Britain and many other uh

1122
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:50,760
countries so I doubt if there's a big

1123
00:59:47,319 --> 00:59:53,359
pool uh on young people here in Britain

1124
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:55,359
to go and fight in Palestine in any case

1125
00:59:53,359 --> 00:59:58,440
they would not be able to do so they

1126
00:59:55,359 --> 01:00:00,319
would not be able ble to get there but I

1127
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:02,960
do I can tell you that there are a

1128
01:00:00,319 --> 01:00:05,359
significant number of British Jews

1129
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:07,799
currently fighting in Gaza in the

1130
01:00:05,359 --> 01:00:09,559
Israeli Army and I'm wondering if

1131
01:00:07,799 --> 01:00:13,319
they're going to be arrested when they

1132
01:00:09,559 --> 01:00:18,039
come back to London Airport for

1133
01:00:13,319 --> 01:00:18,039
participating in Foreign

1134
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:24,559
Wars but you're you're right that we

1135
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:27,440
have to give people uh things to do and

1136
01:00:24,559 --> 01:00:29,480
many are already uh coming up with their

1137
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:32,000
own ideas for example a young man wrote

1138
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:34,760
to me the other day he's organizing a a

1139
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:36,880
car cavalcade on the Eid day for

1140
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:38,680
Palestine uh a lot of people drove to

1141
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:41,960
the demonstration in Convoy from

1142
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:44,720
different parts of the north uh last

1143
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:46,720
Saturday and we do again this Saturday

1144
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:49,480
local protests and demonstrations are

1145
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:51,520
being organized uh all over the place

1146
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:54,760
people are raising money they ask me

1147
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:56,799
where it should go I always say interpal

1148
01:00:54,760 --> 01:01:00,280
Interpol is the best

1149
01:00:56,799 --> 01:01:03,240
of the Charities processing uh donations

1150
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:06,480
that will get uh to the people on the

1151
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:09,119
ground in in Gaza uh and many people are

1152
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:11,839
organizing fundraising efforts and I

1153
01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:12,920
urge them to do so and to channel it

1154
01:01:11,839 --> 01:01:17,000
through

1155
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:18,720
interpal uh there are also other mundane

1156
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:21,119
things well they're not really mundane

1157
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:24,119
but they can seem it a young man went

1158
01:01:21,119 --> 01:01:26,599
into tesos this week wearing a

1159
01:01:24,119 --> 01:01:29,960
t-shirt cursing the

1160
01:01:26,599 --> 01:01:32,119
massacre in Gaza tesos asked him to

1161
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:33,960
leave the store was it Tesco or was it

1162
01:01:32,119 --> 01:01:36,160
Asda was Tesco

1163
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:38,920
Asda

1164
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:41,079
sorry no I'm coming on to Tesco I'm

1165
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:44,839
coming on to

1166
01:01:41,079 --> 01:01:48,160
Tesco Asda asked them to leave people

1167
01:01:44,839 --> 01:01:52,440
should not go to Asda and tell Asda why

1168
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:54,680
they're no longer going to Asda tesos is

1169
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:56,520
already subject of a boycott because of

1170
01:01:54,680 --> 01:02:00,960
the proliferation

1171
01:01:56,520 --> 01:02:03,920
of goods on sale often improperly marked

1172
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:06,640
in their store from the occupied

1173
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:09,279
Palestinian land and there's blood on

1174
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:12,079
their oranges there's blood on their

1175
01:02:09,279 --> 01:02:14,799
ketts and other things that they are

1176
01:02:12,079 --> 01:02:16,359
selling you can boycott things yourself

1177
01:02:14,799 --> 01:02:19,200
and you can go and stand outside the

1178
01:02:16,359 --> 01:02:21,680
store and try and persuade other people

1179
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:23,240
not to go into the store and for the

1180
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:26,359
following reasons yes the gentleman in

1181
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:29,240
the white white shop yeah really

1182
01:02:26,359 --> 01:02:33,480
question just kind of examp

1183
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:35,079
talking stud and what we

1184
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:38,799
goodan

1185
01:02:35,079 --> 01:02:38,799
solidity what happened

1186
01:02:39,319 --> 01:02:45,559
isra might have it brought into bright

1187
01:02:43,559 --> 01:02:47,520
and what was quite what was quite moving

1188
01:02:45,559 --> 01:02:51,279
actually theef response that we had from

1189
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:53,400
socialist tra unist and Muslims Arabs

1190
01:02:51,279 --> 01:02:56,119
everyone who came down outside you know

1191
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:58,279
made a said you know

1192
01:02:56,119 --> 01:03:00,119
is not welcome here in bright and after

1193
01:02:58,279 --> 01:03:02,200
two long years of doing that you know

1194
01:03:00,119 --> 01:03:04,480
the sign came down and we made it clear

1195
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:06,319
and bright that like George said those

1196
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:10,480
products and those people who support

1197
01:03:06,319 --> 01:03:10,480
that have blood on their hands and blood

1198
01:03:13,359 --> 01:03:19,160
on very well said very well said and as

1199
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:20,760
was pointed out uh by one of the

1200
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:23,720
speakers at one of the recent

1201
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:26,200
demonstrations Soda Stream which thought

1202
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:28,559
it was on a real winner bying engaging

1203
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:31,400
the lovely Scarlet Johansson as their

1204
01:03:28,559 --> 01:03:34,680
face have ended up virtually bankrupt

1205
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:37,279
because they drew attention and her uh

1206
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:39,640
problems with Oxfam Drew attention to

1207
01:03:37,279 --> 01:03:43,079
the fact that actually their product is

1208
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:45,559
made in illegally occupied territory and

1209
01:03:43,079 --> 01:03:48,039
their share prices haved and nobody

1210
01:03:45,559 --> 01:03:49,599
wants to buy a soda I don't know why

1211
01:03:48,039 --> 01:03:52,000
anyone's still buying soda streams

1212
01:03:49,599 --> 01:03:56,119
anyway but uh their business has been

1213
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:58,559
wrecked by it so we can achieve uh

1214
01:03:56,119 --> 01:04:01,960
things with this yes the gentleman at

1215
01:03:58,559 --> 01:04:01,960
the three from the back

1216
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:17,079
yeah well you can pick and choose I I'm

1217
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:19,039
an advocate of the view that if you try

1218
01:04:17,079 --> 01:04:23,240
to boycott everything you'll end up

1219
01:04:19,039 --> 01:04:26,480
boycotting nothing uh so you can uh pick

1220
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:28,880
and choose uh products but we should all

1221
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:32,160
pick and choose the same uh products if

1222
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:33,720
we can we should try to mainstream

1223
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:38,480
particular

1224
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:41,319
targets uh somebody I saw had a great

1225
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:43,599
agitation the other day around St laer

1226
01:04:41,319 --> 01:04:50,240
don't paint your face with Palestinian

1227
01:04:43,599 --> 01:04:53,160
blood EST ler is a huge uh backa of the

1228
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:56,240
state of Israel uh and there are plenty

1229
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:59,799
of other Alternatives nobody has to buy

1230
01:04:56,240 --> 01:05:03,039
EST ler cosmetics and nobody should and

1231
01:04:59,799 --> 01:05:05,480
these are obvious targets I'm not myself

1232
01:05:03,039 --> 01:05:07,400
the expert or the Oracle uh on this but

1233
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:11,839
there are plenty of places on the

1234
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:14,440
internet where you can get the uh the

1235
01:05:11,839 --> 01:05:15,440
best targets for a boycott and the best

1236
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:17,920
one is

1237
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:21,319
obviously where the product is well

1238
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:23,720
known uh where there are alternatives so

1239
01:05:21,319 --> 01:05:25,839
you're not asking someone to give up a

1240
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:29,319
particular thing altogether just to buy

1241
01:05:25,839 --> 01:05:31,039
somebody else's rather than theirs and

1242
01:05:29,319 --> 01:05:34,359
which is a household name so that we can

1243
01:05:31,039 --> 01:05:36,599
all rally behind it but the point that

1244
01:05:34,359 --> 01:05:39,079
the young man made about Brighton is a

1245
01:05:36,599 --> 01:05:41,160
very good one because uh I said this

1246
01:05:39,079 --> 01:05:44,680
during castled but to my horror it's

1247
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:47,559
still happening in Westfield both

1248
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:50,480
westfields in London and elsewhere there

1249
01:05:47,559 --> 01:05:54,799
is still something calling itself the

1250
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:58,119
Israel shop which uh waylays people

1251
01:05:54,799 --> 01:06:01,440
walking by often Muslims by the way uh

1252
01:05:58,119 --> 01:06:03,720
and tries to sell them salts and various

1253
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:07,119
skin products and so on from the Dead

1254
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:08,880
Sea from the occupied Dead Sea a dead

1255
01:06:07,119 --> 01:06:12,039
sea which they have

1256
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:15,079
stolen and I don't know why I do it

1257
01:06:12,039 --> 01:06:18,319
every time I they don't approach me now

1258
01:06:15,079 --> 01:06:22,079
because uh perhaps they think my skin

1259
01:06:18,319 --> 01:06:24,160
could not be improved but uh I give them

1260
01:06:22,079 --> 01:06:26,200
and my children give them such a dirty

1261
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:28,680
look they they they stay away from us

1262
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:30,480
but they don't stay away from everybody

1263
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:33,039
and they get you talking they sell your

1264
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:36,400
products and they then tell you because

1265
01:06:33,039 --> 01:06:38,279
I've tested this using a willing

1266
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:40,000
volunteer uh what do you know about

1267
01:06:38,279 --> 01:06:43,079
Israel if you ever visited Israel if you

1268
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:45,440
thought about a holiday in Israel so on

1269
01:06:43,079 --> 01:06:50,359
uh everybody who comes across these

1270
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:53,559
outfits should condemn them should shun

1271
01:06:50,359 --> 01:06:55,240
them and should protest to the store I

1272
01:06:53,559 --> 01:06:58,520
mean westfields would actually collapse

1273
01:06:55,240 --> 01:07:02,400
if it wasn't for Muslim clients yet

1274
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:05,880
they're allowing uh this pure Israel

1275
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:09,240
operation to take place uh in the malls

1276
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:12,760
and that's an obvious uh Target for a

1277
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:16,480
successful boycott I think yes with the

1278
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:16,480
glass the the

1279
01:07:22,799 --> 01:07:28,039
bandana I don't think you can hold them

1280
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:30,640
accountable able in a court of laww uh

1281
01:07:28,039 --> 01:07:34,359
David Cameron has a parliamentary

1282
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:37,920
majority uh he's entitled therefore to

1283
01:07:34,359 --> 01:07:41,240
uh set government policy

1284
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:43,799
and well I don't I don't think there's

1285
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:45,920
any way we can hold Netanyahu uh

1286
01:07:43,799 --> 01:07:48,240
accountable in a in a court Israel is

1287
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:50,960
not a signator to the ICC and in any

1288
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:52,760
case he's the wrong color to be taken

1289
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:56,160
before the IC because you have to be

1290
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:59,520
black and you have to be African uh in

1291
01:07:56,160 --> 01:08:01,880
order to be tried at the uh ICC I'm all

1292
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:05,079
for efforts that are made we did

1293
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:07,799
successfully Kate and Andrew will recall

1294
01:08:05,079 --> 01:08:12,000
uh get a a magistrate actually to issue

1295
01:08:07,799 --> 01:08:15,480
a warrant for uh was it Livy and uh

1296
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:16,799
mofas I think uh two Israeli criminals

1297
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:18,960
anyway we got a magistrate in

1298
01:08:16,799 --> 01:08:20,600
Westminster to issue a warrant and they

1299
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:24,319
had to scarper out the country but the

1300
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:26,199
government then changed the law uh that

1301
01:08:24,319 --> 01:08:27,920
this could no longer be

1302
01:08:26,199 --> 01:08:30,319
and they can do so because they have a

1303
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:34,560
majority in Parliament to change the law

1304
01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:34,560
and they and they did

1305
01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:48,400
yes uh they said uh and this is the

1306
01:08:46,440 --> 01:08:51,120
point I was making that the BBC referred

1307
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:54,120
to them as claims in fact they weren't

1308
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:57,520
claims they were a finding uh by the

1309
01:08:54,120 --> 01:09:01,319
United Nations human rights organization

1310
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:03,679
that Israel may be guilty of war crimes

1311
01:09:01,319 --> 01:09:05,080
I don't know where the maybe comes in

1312
01:09:03,679 --> 01:09:08,719
and I don't know where the description

1313
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:11,239
of it as a claim uh comes in uh but I I

1314
01:09:08,719 --> 01:09:13,679
don't myself believe there are others

1315
01:09:11,239 --> 01:09:16,440
here who know the United Nations better

1316
01:09:13,679 --> 01:09:19,400
than me but I myself don't think that

1317
01:09:16,440 --> 01:09:22,640
anything will come of that Israel has

1318
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:25,400
been guilty of crimes war crimes crimes

1319
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:28,120
against humanity human rights violations

1320
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:32,880
and absolute Defiance of the security

1321
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:36,839
Council itself uh in dozens of cases and

1322
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:39,600
for almost half a century uh and nothing

1323
01:09:36,839 --> 01:09:41,520
has happened to them so that will not

1324
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:44,040
change until the politics in the

1325
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:46,440
countries change and the governments

1326
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:47,960
that make up the United Nations have to

1327
01:09:46,440 --> 01:09:50,199
take a different line and if you think

1328
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:53,480
that that's impossible Ponder the

1329
01:09:50,199 --> 01:09:57,719
presence of his Excellency here

1330
01:09:53,480 --> 01:09:59,520
Venezuela was once a right-wing

1331
01:09:57,719 --> 01:10:04,159
reactionary uh

1332
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:07,040
feudal uh and often dictatorial uh State

1333
01:10:04,159 --> 01:10:10,040
now Venezuela is the hope of the

1334
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:10,040
world

1335
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:18,800
Bolivia

1336
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:23,040
Bolivia Bolivia Ecuador Chile has

1337
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:25,440
severed relations like Venezuela did 5

1338
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:28,800
years ago Chile has now sever relation

1339
01:10:25,440 --> 01:10:33,719
relationss uh with Israel and called for

1340
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:36,920
a boycott of Israeli goods and uh there

1341
01:10:33,719 --> 01:10:39,000
are many others uh where we're on the

1342
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:41,280
March and on the move and we have to

1343
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:44,920
make that count in Britain too gentleman

1344
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:44,920
in the white uh top with the

1345
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:56,360
glasses hisory

1346
01:10:55,440 --> 01:10:59,360
they

1347
01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:59,360
still

1348
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:12,840
do well well well first of all uh we did

1349
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:14,640
not stop the Iraq War but the movement

1350
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:19,239
that we built against the Iraq War

1351
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:20,840
stopped the Syrian War that's the first

1352
01:11:19,239 --> 01:11:25,960
part

1353
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:29,239
so the reason the reason we had majority

1354
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:33,000
of 13 votes against going to war on

1355
01:11:29,239 --> 01:11:37,040
Syria was not just because of the debate

1356
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:39,280
was not just because of the um the

1357
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:40,639
petitioning and letters and calls and so

1358
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:43,280
on that members of the public were

1359
01:11:40,639 --> 01:11:45,679
flooding in on the day of the debate but

1360
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:48,880
because all the MPS even those who voted

1361
01:11:45,679 --> 01:11:50,679
for the war in Syria had in their mind

1362
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:52,800
that the Iraq War had been such a

1363
01:11:50,679 --> 01:11:55,920
disaster the movement against it had

1364
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:59,600
been so right that they weren't prepared

1365
01:11:55,920 --> 01:12:01,920
to easily take the risk of doing so uh

1366
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:03,679
again but the second point I make will

1367
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:07,480
depend on whether or not you are a

1368
01:12:03,679 --> 01:12:10,440
Believer if you're a Believer as I am

1369
01:12:07,480 --> 01:12:12,800
then I believe that on the Judgment Day

1370
01:12:10,440 --> 01:12:16,040
I'll be asked what I did I won't be

1371
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:17,239
asked what you did and I'll be able to

1372
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:19,840
say if I'm

1373
01:12:17,239 --> 01:12:21,560
asked what what did you do when the

1374
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:23,800
Palestinians were being massacred in

1375
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:25,960
Gaza I'll be able to say truthfully that

1376
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:29,800
I used every breath that I had to try

1377
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:33,400
and stop it on the streets in the market

1378
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:37,159
in the parliament in every

1379
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:39,760
way in in in every way that I can so

1380
01:12:37,159 --> 01:12:43,000
you'll feel better about yourself if

1381
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:46,440
you're a Believer you'll have a better

1382
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:48,679
chance on the last day and don't think

1383
01:12:46,440 --> 01:12:51,719
that demonstrations achieve nothing they

1384
01:12:48,679 --> 01:12:56,760
may not achieve something today but they

1385
01:12:51,719 --> 01:12:56,760
definitely affect what happens tomorrow

1386
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:04,639
yes gentleman in the blue shirt second

1387
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:04,639
from the

1388
01:13:10,639 --> 01:13:18,600
back this is a referen to the American

1389
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:19,719
quote unquote comedian uh Bill Mahar who

1390
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:22,159
used to be a

1391
01:13:19,719 --> 01:13:25,520
liberal uh was one of the Christopher

1392
01:13:22,159 --> 01:13:28,440
Hitchens uh Brigade in the unit United

1393
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:30,480
States and therefore portrayed himself

1394
01:13:28,440 --> 01:13:33,520
called himself no doubt thought himself

1395
01:13:30,480 --> 01:13:36,800
to be a liberal uh but he has been over

1396
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:40,600
the last few years drifting headlong

1397
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:44,280
into more and more extreme uh

1398
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:48,159
islamophobic uh and right-wing extremism

1399
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:51,440
and I was Pro I was provoked into

1400
01:13:48,159 --> 01:13:53,400
challenging him to a public debate

1401
01:13:51,440 --> 01:13:56,080
pay-per-view he could do whatever he

1402
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:58,920
liked with the money he raised I'd put

1403
01:13:56,080 --> 01:14:02,880
the money I raised into our

1404
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:05,360
movement uh he has not uh taken up I was

1405
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:08,080
provoked by an exchange between him and

1406
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:11,239
the simply wonderful Frankie Bole

1407
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:11,239
Frankie Bole has

1408
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:21,960
been Frankie Bo has weaponized humor in

1409
01:14:18,679 --> 01:14:24,040
a way that I have never seen before if

1410
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:28,159
you don't know what I mean check them

1411
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:29,560
out but Mahar said you know dealing with

1412
01:14:28,159 --> 01:14:32,600
Hamas it's like dealing with a

1413
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:36,280
hysterical woman you can hold on to our

1414
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:38,880
lapels you can shake her but eventually

1415
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:40,280
you may have to hit her that's what he

1416
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:44,960
said

1417
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:47,520
Mah and Bo said in response I hear you

1418
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:50,239
man it's amazing that some of these

1419
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:53,159
women after you bombed and killed their

1420
01:14:50,239 --> 01:14:55,480
children and destroyed their houses you

1421
01:14:53,159 --> 01:14:57,920
have to hit them before they hit you it

1422
01:14:55,480 --> 01:15:01,520
was a brilliant exchange and I

1423
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:03,800
challenged Maha uh to debate this with

1424
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:07,040
me I said you seem to like slapping

1425
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:09,760
women around why don't you try me uh on

1426
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:12,840
live pay-per-view television let's see

1427
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:14,600
who turns up but he's gone to ground as

1428
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:18,400
far as I know he has not issued a single

1429
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:23,440
tweet since but I'm Looking For You Maha

1430
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:23,440
if you hear this I'm looking for you

1431
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:29,719
uh gentleman in the blue top

1432
01:15:37,159 --> 01:15:40,159
yeah

1433
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:58,400
supp still

1434
01:15:55,320 --> 01:16:01,040
more disgusting is what

1435
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:03,600
those when Israel is bombing the

1436
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:08,159
Palestinians from the I want everyone

1437
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:08,159
know that of the Contra we

1438
01:16:09,199 --> 01:16:14,840
are when

1439
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:18,320
isra from the sea we giving them

1440
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:20,639
compon so it isn't just words a lot of

1441
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:23,920
the things involved in this current Mass

1442
01:16:20,639 --> 01:16:26,920
a lot of the components are going to

1443
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:26,920
have

1444
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:38,760
exactly you're absolutely right and even

1445
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:41,080
worse these licenses were

1446
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:43,639
issued after British government

1447
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:45,920
acceptance of Israeli government

1448
01:16:43,639 --> 01:16:48,520
assurances that the weapons would not be

1449
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:50,120
used either for external aggression or

1450
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:53,199
internal

1451
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:55,880
repression I wonder therefore what they

1452
01:16:53,199 --> 01:16:58,360
would be used for

1453
01:16:55,880 --> 01:17:01,320
and I wonder how any civil servant with

1454
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:03,320
a straight face could have signed that

1455
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:06,760
off even

1456
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:09,480
worse we're not just selling weapons to

1457
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:13,159
Israel we are buying even more weapons

1458
01:17:09,480 --> 01:17:16,639
from Israel indeed much of the world is

1459
01:17:13,159 --> 01:17:20,080
now buying weapons from Israel it is one

1460
01:17:16,639 --> 01:17:22,800
of the emerging merchants of death in

1461
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:24,920
the world uh selling billions tens of

1462
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:26,400
billions of dollars worth of weapons

1463
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:29,360
every year indeed it's one of the things

1464
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:32,600
that's keeping the uh State

1465
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:33,960
afloat uh David Cameron said and I quote

1466
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:39,440
that he stood

1467
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:41,800
staunchly behind Israel Ed Milan said on

1468
01:17:39,440 --> 01:17:46,400
the front page of the Jewish Chronicle I

1469
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:48,320
am a Zionist Nick CLE threatened David

1470
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:51,320
Ward with expulsion from the party

1471
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:54,600
unless he categorically

1472
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:57,920
apologized three cheeks of the same ARS

1473
01:17:54,600 --> 01:18:02,400
as as I always put it and they will

1474
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:05,360
continue to be unless they think that it

1475
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:08,000
will not profit them politically to

1476
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:11,120
continue on this line why should they

1477
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:14,440
stop think about it these are totally

1478
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:17,199
unprincipled opportunistic people I mean

1479
01:18:14,440 --> 01:18:18,639
Ed Mand isn't even a Zion I don't

1480
01:18:17,199 --> 01:18:21,520
believe for one minute that he's a

1481
01:18:18,639 --> 01:18:25,000
Zionist it's even worse than that he

1482
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:28,679
pretended to be

1483
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:28,679
and he and he did

1484
01:18:29,239 --> 01:18:35,320
so people say to me well he's a Jew so

1485
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:36,520
what his mother and father were Jews and

1486
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:38,800
neither of those would ever have

1487
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:40,880
described themselves as Zionist indeed

1488
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:42,800
they would have defined themselves as

1489
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:45,320
anti-zionist that's why I'm pretty sure

1490
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:48,960
he isn't a Zionist but he thought there

1491
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:51,679
was more in it for him to claim to be a

1492
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:53,960
Zionist than there would have been to

1493
01:18:51,679 --> 01:18:57,080
state that he was an anti Zionist and

1494
01:18:53,960 --> 01:19:00,400
that's the equation we have to change

1495
01:18:57,080 --> 01:19:05,280
that's the Paradigm we have to

1496
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:05,280
change uh yes yes

1497
01:19:18,719 --> 01:19:24,880
mam

1498
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:27,000
think racism and particular

1499
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:27,000
and

1500
01:19:42,199 --> 01:19:47,400
it

1501
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:49,600
we

1502
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:52,639
and of those ideas that we're all

1503
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:56,440
dividing but also that we continue to

1504
01:19:52,639 --> 01:19:56,440
stand side by side

1505
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:09,440
excellent excellent I I couldn't put

1506
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:12,360
that better so I won't uh

1507
01:20:09,440 --> 01:20:14,840
try anyone else want to make a

1508
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:16,199
contribution ask a question yes

1509
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:20,960
gentleman right in the middle there with

1510
01:20:16,199 --> 01:20:20,960
the greenish top on yeah

1511
01:20:26,719 --> 01:20:34,360
uh well end is uh a moot point um it's

1512
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:38,280
not going to end it may

1513
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:42,120
pause and it may pause quite soon after

1514
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:44,080
all now that Israel is losing for them

1515
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:46,920
significant numbers on the

1516
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:49,159
battlefield in addition to the shock to

1517
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:52,719
their system that Palestinian Rockets

1518
01:20:49,159 --> 01:20:56,080
can now reach far and wide Israel's much

1519
01:20:52,719 --> 01:20:59,199
more in the mood for a pause than it

1520
01:20:56,080 --> 01:21:02,080
would have been a week ago and John

1521
01:20:59,199 --> 01:21:04,639
Kerry has gone to the region and is

1522
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:08,639
engaging in shuttle diplomacy you might

1523
01:21:04,639 --> 01:21:10,920
say many weeks too late uh so it's quite

1524
01:21:08,639 --> 01:21:14,159
possible that there will be a pause but

1525
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:18,600
it will only be a pause unless the siege

1526
01:21:14,159 --> 01:21:22,239
is lifted and unless there's a political

1527
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:24,760
solution uh to this crisis uh then it

1528
01:21:22,239 --> 01:21:28,719
will only have been a pause and will be

1529
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:30,920
back here in a year or two or three uh

1530
01:21:28,719 --> 01:21:35,280
discussing exactly the same things which

1531
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:37,760
is probably a good point for me to uh

1532
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:40,000
Advance uh what I believe is the

1533
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:42,400
solution because some people say we're

1534
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:46,760
long on condemnation and criticism and

1535
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:50,800
so on but short on um on

1536
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:54,880
solution well for me and I've been in

1537
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:58,239
this next year for 40 years that's a

1538
01:21:54,880 --> 01:22:02,320
long time to be in a

1539
01:21:58,239 --> 01:22:05,320
struggle I have returned to the belief

1540
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:07,880
that I had right at the very

1541
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:10,639
beginning that there is no

1542
01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:14,639
possibility of this conflict being

1543
01:22:10,639 --> 01:22:16,960
solved except on the basis of a single

1544
01:22:14,639 --> 01:22:22,520
Democratic State between the river and

1545
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:25,639
the Sea I'm absolutely convinced of that

1546
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:29,120
the the so-called two State

1547
01:22:25,639 --> 01:22:31,639
solution isn't a solution at all and is

1548
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:35,280
in any case a

1549
01:22:31,639 --> 01:22:37,360
chimera the West Bank and Gaza are

1550
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:41,520
entirely distinct and separate

1551
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:45,159
Geographic locations separated by

1552
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:48,000
Mainland so-called Israel in other words

1553
01:22:45,159 --> 01:22:50,360
they are not contiguous territory

1554
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:52,760
therefore a two-state

1555
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:54,560
solution uh which involved the West Bank

1556
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:58,480
and Gaza would have the West Bank and

1557
01:22:54,560 --> 01:23:02,800
Gaza entirely separated by Israeli

1558
01:22:58,480 --> 01:23:06,679
land in any case what was the West Bank

1559
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:10,159
has now been massively seized and

1560
01:23:06,679 --> 01:23:11,920
settled by illegal Israeli settlements

1561
01:23:10,159 --> 01:23:14,280
and here's a point maybe some of you

1562
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:17,639
hear this word settlement you kind of

1563
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:20,880
think of log cabins and uh and uh

1564
01:23:17,639 --> 01:23:23,639
horsedrawn wagons and so on these are

1565
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:25,719
cities these Israeli settlements are

1566
01:23:23,639 --> 01:23:28,800
like Beverly Hill

1567
01:23:25,719 --> 01:23:32,560
using sprinklers on their lawns when

1568
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:35,560
Palestinians can't get water beautiful

1569
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:38,320
Apartments given free or at hugely

1570
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:41,480
subsidized rates uh by the Israeli

1571
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:43,679
government paid for by the US taxpayer

1572
01:23:41,480 --> 01:23:47,520
and every one of these settlements has

1573
01:23:43,679 --> 01:23:50,280
Jews only roads uh leading up to them

1574
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:53,120
from which the Palestinians are excluded

1575
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:55,320
all over the West Bank are hundreds and

1576
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:58,280
hundreds of checkpoints there's the

1577
01:23:55,320 --> 01:24:00,960
aparte wall there's the insistence of

1578
01:23:58,280 --> 01:24:04,040
Netanyahu that they will never allow

1579
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:06,560
control of the Jordan Valley out of

1580
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:09,159
their hands the more you talk about it

1581
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:11,719
the more you realize that actually there

1582
01:24:09,159 --> 01:24:15,040
isn't even the land left even though it

1583
01:24:11,719 --> 01:24:17,040
isn't contiguous that you could have a

1584
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:19,920
two-state solution but the most

1585
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:22,440
important reason why it isn't a solution

1586
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:25,040
is that it has no Prospect of that man

1587
01:24:22,440 --> 01:24:29,080
there returning home

1588
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:32,840
it has within it no possibility of the

1589
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:35,920
majority of Palestinians returning home

1590
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:39,440
now some people say well this one state

1591
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:41,920
solution is pretty far-fetched but so is

1592
01:24:39,440 --> 01:24:43,800
the two- State solution but at least the

1593
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:45,119
one state solution has the benefit of

1594
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:46,960
being a

1595
01:24:45,119 --> 01:24:51,119
solution

1596
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:52,880
and unless the solution allows every

1597
01:24:51,119 --> 01:24:54,880
Palestinian who's been driven from their

1598
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:59,360
land and their home to return

1599
01:24:54,880 --> 01:25:01,679
then it isn't a solution at all and I'm

1600
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:04,679
not one of those there may be some in

1601
01:25:01,679 --> 01:25:08,480
here I'm not one who say that the

1602
01:25:04,679 --> 01:25:10,840
Israelis have to go home go home where

1603
01:25:08,480 --> 01:25:14,600
most of the Israelis were now born

1604
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:18,360
there Poland Russia France England

1605
01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:20,719
America is no longer their home they

1606
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:22,159
have a right to remain there but they

1607
01:25:20,719 --> 01:25:25,199
don't have the right to remain in

1608
01:25:22,159 --> 01:25:27,679
somebody else's house on somebody else's

1609
01:25:25,199 --> 01:25:29,480
land they'll have to be the ones who

1610
01:25:27,679 --> 01:25:32,520
build a new city in the

1611
01:25:29,480 --> 01:25:34,000
netive because they have to give back

1612
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:37,679
the land and the property that was

1613
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:41,040
stolen to the people from whom it was

1614
01:25:37,679 --> 01:25:43,280
stolen so to me as someone who was

1615
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:46,760
deeply involved in the struggle against

1616
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:50,239
aparta in South Africa I'm very clear

1617
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:53,840
that one man one woman one vote that's

1618
01:25:50,239 --> 01:25:55,080
the only basis that we can support any

1619
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:58,159
state

1620
01:25:55,080 --> 01:26:00,199
and it can be called Israel Palestine it

1621
01:25:58,159 --> 01:26:02,400
can be called Palestine Israel according

1622
01:26:00,199 --> 01:26:04,000
to your point of view or it can be

1623
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:07,080
called something else but it will have

1624
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:10,520
to involve those with a right to return

1625
01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:14,320
there being able to return there and

1626
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:17,040
those Jews and there will be many in

1627
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:20,679
post- aarte South Africa half of the

1628
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:23,360
whites left and half remained it'll

1629
01:26:20,679 --> 01:26:25,840
probably be something like that half of

1630
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:28,199
the Jews come currently in Israel will

1631
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:33,239
probably decide that if it's not going

1632
01:26:28,199 --> 01:26:38,000
to be a Jews only state a state of the

1633
01:26:33,239 --> 01:26:40,639
Jewish people where exclusivist and

1634
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:43,480
anti-democratic practices the norm they

1635
01:26:40,639 --> 01:26:46,560
don't want to live there anymore okay

1636
01:26:43,480 --> 01:26:50,360
bye-bye then they can go anywhere that

1637
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:53,760
they like uh but the half that might

1638
01:26:50,360 --> 01:26:55,679
remain might well find that actually

1639
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:58,600
that's a much much better state to live

1640
01:26:55,679 --> 01:27:02,159
in a democratic State rather than an

1641
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:03,560
aparte State certainly would be to me

1642
01:27:02,159 --> 01:27:05,280
okay I've got time for one or two more

1643
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:07,159
and then I'll need to wrap it up Emy

1644
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:09,000
that's not been in yet yes gentleman in

1645
01:27:07,159 --> 01:27:11,560
the second row i' just like to know the

1646
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:11,560
thoughts on the

1647
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:24,360
timing I do think that the prospect of a

1648
01:27:20,719 --> 01:27:28,400
national Unity government and the horror

1649
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with which Netanyahu received it uh is a

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major factor in the launching of this

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01:27:31,440 --> 01:27:36,679
assault but as chairman Mau once said

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01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:39,480
sometimes the enemy struggles mightily

1653
01:27:36,679 --> 01:27:42,920
to lift a huge Stone only to drop it on

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01:27:39,480 --> 01:27:44,719
its own feet and if so that's exactly

1655
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:46,840
what's happened here because the unity

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01:27:44,719 --> 01:27:49,840
of the Palestinians has been deepened

1657
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:53,320
and strengthened by this assault which

1658
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:56,960
may in part have been launched uh partly

1659
01:27:53,320 --> 01:28:00,320
because uh of that uh that

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01:27:56,960 --> 01:28:01,880
Unity any more that hasn't been in the

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01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:03,440
gentleman in the suit there just cuz

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01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:06,440
he's wearing a suit I like a man in a

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01:28:03,440 --> 01:28:06,440
suit

1664
01:28:25,719 --> 01:28:28,840
well I'm open to suggestions if

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01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:31,360
anybody's got a better idea but in the

1666
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:33,560
absence of better ideas I'll be walking

1667
01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:35,199
I'll be marching I'll be tweeting I'll

1668
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:37,280
be Facebooking I'll be phoning to

1669
01:28:35,199 --> 01:28:39,719
complain I'll be pressing in Parliament

1670
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:42,000
I'll be trying to persuade people's uh

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01:28:39,719 --> 01:28:43,960
turn people's opinions unless someone's

1672
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:45,280
got a better opinion that's what I'll be

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01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:47,800
doing

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01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:51,679
educate educ this is my maximum all of

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01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:53,840
my life educate agitate

1676
01:28:51,679 --> 01:28:56,199
organize and I think this meeting is

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01:28:53,840 --> 01:29:00,480
part of

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01:28:56,199 --> 01:29:03,520
that well I should have mentioned

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01:29:00,480 --> 01:29:07,280
[Applause]

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01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:09,719
that as it I didn't plan her to say that

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01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:12,080
I I I don't even know her support your

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01:29:09,719 --> 01:29:15,320
fil giving you money thank

1683
01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:19,639
you I'm

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01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:21,400
uh I'm very well on the way to producing

1685
01:29:19,639 --> 01:29:25,199
a blockbuster

1686
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:29,560
90minut indictment of Tony Blair it's a

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01:29:25,199 --> 01:29:29,560
film called the killing of Tony Blair it

1688
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:37,679
doesn't it doesn't involve me killing

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01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:41,119
Tony Blair it would be an even more

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01:29:37,679 --> 01:29:43,400
successful movie if it did but it charts

1691
01:29:41,119 --> 01:29:45,760
the killings of Tony Blair the killing

1692
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:47,800
of the labor party as we knew it the

1693
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:49,760
killing of a million people and more in

1694
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:52,000
the bush and Blair Wars and the

1695
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:54,560
financial killing that he's been making

1696
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:58,000
out of both ever since

1697
01:29:54,560 --> 01:30:00,920
100 million seven houses outside of

1698
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:03,960
which I have filmed all seven of them

1699
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:05,560
some of them would make your eyes water

1700
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:08,119
uh I don't know what the idea of seven

1701
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:13,840
houses is one for every day of the week

1702
01:30:08,119 --> 01:30:18,199
or what uh we are on his case big time

1703
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:21,400
and the film has now been taken up

1704
01:30:18,199 --> 01:30:24,000
pardon me uh with a Hollywood uh

1705
01:30:21,400 --> 01:30:27,280
distributor it's going to be very big in

1706
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:30,000
indeed on both sides of the Atlantic and

1707
01:30:27,280 --> 01:30:32,639
it will be launched will be

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01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:36,440
premiered at the International Film

1709
01:30:32,639 --> 01:30:38,400
Festival in Austin

1710
01:30:36,440 --> 01:30:41,719
Texas

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01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:45,840
within within sound of the

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01:30:41,719 --> 01:30:47,360
ranch Bush's Ranch early next year

1713
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:50,159
thanks for giving me the opportunity

1714
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:50,159
because I forgot to

1715
01:30:51,320 --> 01:30:57,760
mention thank you

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01:30:55,080 --> 01:30:57,760
should we

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01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:04,159
uh should we finish on that note I think

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01:31:01,320 --> 01:31:07,119
um because it's almost uh 8:30 uh those

1719
01:31:04,159 --> 01:31:09,480
who are fasting have to get somewhere

1720
01:31:07,119 --> 01:31:11,960
where they can break their fast in a

1721
01:31:09,480 --> 01:31:14,280
little over half an hour uh thank you

1722
01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:16,040
all for coming I hope you found it

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01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:18,960
useful a kind of

1724
01:31:16,040 --> 01:31:21,920
teaching uh rather than uh platform

1725
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:24,480
speech I hope you found that convivial

1726
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:27,000
and if his Excellency agrees

1727
01:31:24,480 --> 01:31:30,760
we'll call another one soon but by the

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01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:33,320
way this shows this shows the power

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01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:36,679
hello counselor how are you this shows

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01:31:33,320 --> 01:31:40,239
the power of social media this audience

1731
01:31:36,679 --> 01:31:44,000
and the equal or more audience that

1732
01:31:40,239 --> 01:31:46,600
didn't get in all came here directly

1733
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:49,280
from social media not a leaflet was

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01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:52,800
distributed not a poster was posted not

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01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:58,080
an advert was purchased this is the

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future thanks very much indeed thank you