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to add to the heated political Fallout

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of the Iraq crisis tonight three former

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UK ambassadors and major public figures

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have called for Tony Blair's removal as

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Middle East Envoy that campaign is

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supported by MPS from different parties

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including respect MP George Galloway who

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joins us now from catbridge in Scotland

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and with be here Tony Blair's former

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special adviser John murnan and I

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suppose inevitably given tonight

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extraordinary developments across Iraq

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and across the Middle East generally uh

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George Galloway won is to question

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whether uh your preference for the

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unelected dictators in Assad and Saddam

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Hussein perhaps beats Tony Blair's

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interest in um invading

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Iraq well that's an entirely false

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dichotomy and a diversion from what

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we're here to talk about which is the

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seven years that Tony Blair has spent as

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the quartet's envoy they've been seven

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fat years for him but they've been seven

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lean years for the people of the Arab

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Middle East the Palestinians are under

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lockdown being shot down being arrested

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on a mass basis every day uh Egypt is

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falling to pieces as you've just been

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discussing and do I need to mention Iraq

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which is now almost not a functioning

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State at all so it's enough enough is

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enough it's time to sack blair. org

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thousands of people are signing up

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including British ambassadors that we

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pay for their expertise in the Middle

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East that that that's enough of the

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promotion for your um campaign but let

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me talk to you John MC murnan it must be

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very hard not to look at the Middle East

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and say hang on a minute if we could

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wind the clock back this was a grave

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mistake and it was a mistake in which Mr

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Blair was very very heavily involved the

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original Invasion no it wasn't a mistake

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to uh go into Iraq it's not a mistake

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now to try to defend Kurdish democracy

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and Iraqi democracy but is a mistake is

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to in some way decide that hang on Iraqi

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democracy that has excluded the sunnis I

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mean in the sense that they have no role

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in government in Iraqi democracy which

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is yet as Lindsay said on your report to

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form a new government the voters

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punished al- Malaki uh now the

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government has to be formed there but

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there is democracy there five elections

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since 2003 but the point here is it's

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not right to blame Tony Blair for the

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failure of the government of Israel to

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come to a peace deal with uh the

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Palestinian people that is a failure in

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Israel Tony Blair's visited the Middle

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East 117 times he's working hard with

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all the principles he's working hard on

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economic development he's doing the job

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the quarter asked him to do well let's

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put that specific point um not fair to

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blame Tony Blair for for Israel do you

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want us to stick to Iraq or we got to

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talk about Israel as

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well well everyone is blaming him

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everyone except the one man you managed

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to find in London who's counting the

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number of times he's visited the Middle

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East a fat lot of good all those 117

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visits have done the uh Gaza Strip is

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living on the edge of starvation the

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West Bank is on lockdown there have been

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four children killed in the last 10 days

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by Israel the Egyptian regime is locking

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up Al jazer journalists and sentencing

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your own former colleague to 10 years in

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jail Iraq is half controlled by Al-Qaeda

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and the other half appears to be in the

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hands of Shiite militia it is an

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absolute unalloyed catastrophe and if

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John murnan was being honest he'd have

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to agree that Mr Blair for all his 117

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visits is not achieving anything well

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let me take time for him go let let me

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take John mcturner back to Israel where

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was Tony Blair when the Israelis were

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flattening Gaza the the point about t

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that's a big question where was he how

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often has he been to Gaza he's been 17

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times the has he been to Gaza I don't

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know how many times I can tell you once

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okay I mean that isn't good enough is it

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that place is absolutely strangled

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completely strangled the Egyptians have

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cut them off the Israelis have cut them

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off GA Gaza has been given to back to

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the Palestinian people the settlers the

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Israeli settlers there were moved out by

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the Israeli Army the Israelis are able

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when they decide to move out of an area

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to evacuate an area the issue theang no

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the issue about the issue about the

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issue is to stop the terrorist firing

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the issue is Sur to bring you talk about

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democracy what about the people of Gaza

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what is to happen to them they voted for

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a particular government it happened to

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be Hamas but they voted for it in free

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and Democratic elections but nobody

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liked it and as a consequence they have

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been strangled and where has Tony Blair

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been in defending them Tony Tony Blair's

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job is to try to get the principles

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ready to do two things one is to create

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economic development in Palestine which

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is a central part of any independent

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democ there and the second one is to put

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as much pressure as he can on behalf of

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the

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quartet going to resign he's going to

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resign before he's pushed there's no

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chance he be pushed there's no chance to

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resign he's doing the job the court

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asked for and it's the Prime Minister

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net who who has to make the peace deal

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John murnan and George Galloway thank

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you both very much