1 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:14,480 you know it just wouldn't be a week 2 00:00:12,759 --> 00:00:16,080 complete on the mainstream media without 3 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:18,439 a war criminal being given a plat from 4 00:00:16,080 --> 00:00:20,039 to sell their new book although dubia is 5 00:00:18,439 --> 00:00:22,240 now focused on fingerpainting world 6 00:00:20,039 --> 00:00:23,880 leaders another orchestrator of the 7 00:00:22,240 --> 00:00:26,039 invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan made 8 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:29,199 the rounds on the corporate media last 9 00:00:26,039 --> 00:00:31,800 week yes none other than Bush's partner 10 00:00:29,199 --> 00:00:34,000 in war crime from across the pond former 11 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:36,160 British Prime Minister Tony Blair here 12 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:40,239 he is blaming the West's failure in Iraq 13 00:00:36,160 --> 00:00:42,360 on Islam as an undefeatable political 14 00:00:40,239 --> 00:00:45,039 ideology this ideology is not going to 15 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:47,199 be defeated by an engagement in 16 00:00:45,039 --> 00:00:49,640 Afghanistan in Iraq or even in these 17 00:00:47,199 --> 00:00:52,079 individual Arenas it's going to be 18 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:54,520 defeated over a long period of time 19 00:00:52,079 --> 00:00:56,440 we're talking in the end about one 20 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:58,559 struggle it's got many different aspects 21 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:00,440 to it there are lots of local factors 22 00:00:58,559 --> 00:01:02,320 but in the end it is about out this 23 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,960 toxic mixture of religion and politics 24 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:06,119 and the reason why Iraq was difficult 25 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:08,720 Afghanistan was difficult is precisely 26 00:01:06,119 --> 00:01:10,680 because of that well one UK politician 27 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:12,880 is working to expose Tony Blair in an 28 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:15,280 upcoming documentary called The Killing 29 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:18,200 Tony Blair his name is George Galloway 30 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:20,119 he's a member of UK's respect party 31 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,479 Galloway joined me earlier from London 32 00:01:20,119 --> 00:01:24,439 and I started out by asking him to 33 00:01:21,479 --> 00:01:28,759 respond to Blair's comments about 34 00:01:24,439 --> 00:01:32,280 Islam well I I think uh uh difficult uh 35 00:01:28,759 --> 00:01:34,759 the word he used uh is uh well chosen 36 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:37,399 it's difficult when a million people 37 00:01:34,759 --> 00:01:40,320 have died as a result of the lies that 38 00:01:37,399 --> 00:01:43,439 you told it's difficult when you've got 39 00:01:40,320 --> 00:01:46,960 to effectively gridlock the state 40 00:01:43,439 --> 00:01:49,840 inquiry into the events uh around the 41 00:01:46,960 --> 00:01:53,000 Iraq War it's difficult when you're so 42 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:56,920 hated in your own country that you need 43 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:59,399 a falance of machine gun toting police 44 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:03,880 officers paid for by the taxpayer in 45 00:01:59,399 --> 00:02:08,280 every one of your seven homes seven SE 46 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:11,000 ven seven homes and four machine gun 47 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:13,000 police on every one of them it's 48 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:15,560 difficult when you can't have a public 49 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:18,200 engagement except in a place like 50 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:20,720 Bloomberg and where they bring the city 51 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:23,280 of London to a halt in order to 52 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:26,599 quarantine you from the public that's 53 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:28,840 what he meant by difficult that day at 54 00:02:26,599 --> 00:02:31,760 Bloomberg's might be the day when we 55 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:34,879 finally conclude that Tony Blair went 56 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:38,400 beir George Orwell in his novel and it 57 00:02:34,879 --> 00:02:39,280 was a novel not a blueprint not a manual 58 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,640 uh 59 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:47,280 1984 uh of course memorably set the 60 00:02:42,640 --> 00:02:48,840 novel at a time when urzia was always at 61 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:52,800 war with 62 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:55,599 eastasia and it's Mr Blair's manakan 63 00:02:52,800 --> 00:03:01,599 view of the world that the West will 64 00:02:55,599 --> 00:03:05,519 always be at war with the East and the 65 00:03:01,599 --> 00:03:08,680 grotesque uh parody uh of democracy that 66 00:03:05,519 --> 00:03:11,599 he was talking about is shown by the 67 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:15,720 fact that he's a backing the military 68 00:03:11,599 --> 00:03:18,080 Juna in Egypt that overthrew the elected 69 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:21,760 government and calling for all of us to 70 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:24,680 get behind Saudi Arabia the least free 71 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:28,400 and least Democratic uh country on the 72 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:31,879 earth and his elastic definition of 73 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:34,439 extremism is demonstrated by the fact 74 00:03:31,879 --> 00:03:37,720 that he wants us all to get behind 75 00:03:34,439 --> 00:03:40,959 alqaeda in Syria whilst being a 76 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:43,319 permanent war with the al-Qaeda mindset 77 00:03:40,959 --> 00:03:47,720 everywhere else or almost everywhere 78 00:03:43,319 --> 00:03:50,439 else in the world this was the Edge of 79 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:53,200 Insanity from Tony Blair but it 80 00:03:50,439 --> 00:03:56,120 dominated the British news agenda and 81 00:03:53,200 --> 00:04:00,480 even reached Jew in the United States 82 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:03,519 for fully 48 Hours as if the orac 83 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:07,239 had descended amongst us with tablets of 84 00:04:03,519 --> 00:04:10,000 stone to distribute around us to discuss 85 00:04:07,239 --> 00:04:13,920 but most people in this country feel 86 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:17,799 only disgust for this man and the recipe 87 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:21,680 of endless war Carnage and suffering 88 00:04:17,799 --> 00:04:24,240 that he prescribes and lastly if I may 89 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:26,919 he's not intending fighting himself in 90 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:29,880 this NeverEnding War neither is he 91 00:04:26,919 --> 00:04:33,039 intending sending his own Sons to to go 92 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:35,960 and fight in this NeverEnding War he's 93 00:04:33,039 --> 00:04:38,800 ready to fight to the last drop of 94 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:41,560 everybody else's blood somebody else's 95 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:43,759 son's blood that's what's disgusting 96 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,919 about him and it's no surprise George 97 00:04:43,759 --> 00:04:46,960 that so many American channels are 98 00:04:44,919 --> 00:04:49,039 giving Blair a platform to espouse his 99 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,800 pro- interventionist views which makes 100 00:04:49,039 --> 00:04:52,520 me thankful that I'm given a platform 101 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,120 here to speak against all military 102 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,600 intervention to counter that narrative 103 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,960 at least but unfortunately I've come 104 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,560 under a lot of criticism because of the 105 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:01,120 corporate media's Cold War Resurrection 106 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:04,360 George I recently did an interview on 107 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:06,479 BBC that was completely pulled before it 108 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,880 was even aired after I criticized the UK 109 00:05:06,479 --> 00:05:10,800 government what does that say about the 110 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:13,840 state of media in the UK well we call 111 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:17,000 ourselves uh democracy but in fact we're 112 00:05:13,840 --> 00:05:19,880 an organized hypocrisy we're speaking 113 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:23,639 now on RT uh which is routinely 114 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:28,720 described by the BBC as Russian State 115 00:05:23,639 --> 00:05:32,160 media but BBC is British State media 116 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:35,240 what you did over the Ukraine no BBC 117 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:37,759 correspondent would ever dream of doing 118 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:39,919 viav V British policy that they 119 00:05:37,759 --> 00:05:43,919 disagreed with if indeed they did 120 00:05:39,919 --> 00:05:46,800 disagree with it there is no way that 121 00:05:43,919 --> 00:05:49,319 this cold war rhetoric can be anything 122 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:52,720 but damaging and debilitating for 123 00:05:49,319 --> 00:05:55,960 everyone in the world and uh the battle 124 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:59,479 lines are being drawn John Kerry uh more 125 00:05:55,960 --> 00:06:02,960 or less called for RT to be struck off 126 00:05:59,479 --> 00:06:06,039 of the air uh in the liberal Guardian 127 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:09,319 newspaper God save us from liberals I 128 00:06:06,039 --> 00:06:11,880 always say uh they last week were 129 00:06:09,319 --> 00:06:16,560 drawing attention to the need for a 130 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:20,039 state investigation into RT because its 131 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:23,280 political line is not to the liking of 132 00:06:20,039 --> 00:06:26,319 these liberals presumably Fox News uh 133 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:26,319 which goes 134 00:06:27,039 --> 00:06:32,080 uncomplaining they can live with fox 135 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:35,240 news freely broadcasting on the British 136 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:38,120 Airwaves but they can't it seems uh live 137 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:42,319 with rt and uh this tells you all you 138 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:45,800 need to know about their skin deep 139 00:06:42,319 --> 00:06:48,319 facade of liberalism and uh and 140 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:50,800 commitment to freedom of speech and 141 00:06:48,319 --> 00:06:54,680 freedom of assembly I just returned this 142 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:59,800 hour from Paris where I was interviewing 143 00:06:54,680 --> 00:07:03,560 a man who spent six years on the Gaddafi 144 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:05,840 torture tables he was illegally rendered 145 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:08,720 which as we both know means he was 146 00:07:05,840 --> 00:07:12,360 kidnapped and sent to those torture 147 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:15,639 Tables by those Paragons of liberalism 148 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:19,240 the United States and Great Britain so 149 00:07:15,639 --> 00:07:22,599 when they tell you how much they believe 150 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:24,599 in Western values the faster you should 151 00:07:22,599 --> 00:07:25,400 count your spoons as Oscar wild would 152 00:07:24,599 --> 00:07:28,400 put 153 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:30,520 it well well said uh let's move on to 154 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:32,240 the UK elections are on the horizon of 155 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:34,400 course we know what a dog and pony show 156 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:36,879 American elections are where Obama and 157 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:39,639 Romney both spent a billion dollars last 158 00:07:36,879 --> 00:07:41,599 campaign cycle now Jim MSA and David 159 00:07:39,639 --> 00:07:44,039 Axelrod check this out two of Obama's 160 00:07:41,599 --> 00:07:45,840 former campaign managers will be working 161 00:07:44,039 --> 00:07:47,599 for both Britain's conservative and 162 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:50,039 labor parties George how do you feel 163 00:07:47,599 --> 00:07:52,759 about American political strategy being 164 00:07:50,039 --> 00:07:55,000 exported to Britain actually all three 165 00:07:52,759 --> 00:07:57,280 of the mainstream parties and if a 166 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:59,720 backside could have three cheeks they 167 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:03,039 would be the three cheeks of the same 168 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:05,520 backside uh they're all their election 169 00:08:03,039 --> 00:08:08,479 campaigns are all being run by 170 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:12,240 foreigners one Australian and to 171 00:08:08,479 --> 00:08:15,840 Americans and so uh Heaven Help Us we're 172 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:18,479 in for an election as banal as the ones 173 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:21,720 that you have to tolerate where 174 00:08:18,479 --> 00:08:24,720 multi-millionaire Tweedle D contests 175 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:28,520 multi-millionaire Tweedle Dum and they 176 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:31,560 tell us that only an inch uh is the inch 177 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:34,240 that's worth debating the prevailing 178 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:37,240 Orthodoxy which Dr Johnson the great 179 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:39,919 English man of letters described as the 180 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:43,120 grimmest dictatorship of them all the 181 00:08:39,919 --> 00:08:45,600 dictatorship of the prevailing Orthodoxy 182 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:48,880 some of us are struggling to break free 183 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:52,040 of that on the left and on the right uh 184 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:55,000 the right probably I'd have to concede 185 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:57,200 having more success it's easy to sell 186 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:59,680 nationalism to the simple-minded it's a 187 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:03,399 little more difficult selling socialism 188 00:08:59,680 --> 00:09:06,360 to an informed electorate but ukip the 189 00:09:03,399 --> 00:09:11,279 United Kingdom independence party which 190 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:13,720 is a far right eurobic party is set to 191 00:09:11,279 --> 00:09:16,480 win the European Parliament elections 192 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:19,040 here in Britain and indeed parties like 193 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:21,760 them are set to win almost a third of 194 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:24,959 the vote one in three of all the votes 195 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:28,760 that will be cast in the European Union 196 00:09:24,959 --> 00:09:32,000 parliamentary elections uh later uh 197 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:34,480 about five 4 weeks from now uh that 198 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:36,560 tells you that the 199 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:41,240 Stranglehold that the prevailing 200 00:09:36,560 --> 00:09:43,839 Orthodoxy has on the public is very fast 201 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:46,839 dissipating and that's manifested in 202 00:09:43,839 --> 00:09:49,720 voting patterns in people not voting at 203 00:09:46,839 --> 00:09:52,320 all in people searching out other 204 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:56,120 television stations other than the lam 205 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:59,120 stream ones it's all falling apart which 206 00:09:56,120 --> 00:10:02,279 is why I'm actually relatively Che 207 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:05,320 cheerful because I absolutely am 208 00:10:02,279 --> 00:10:07,839 convinced that that prevailing Orthodoxy 209 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:11,680 that dictatorship of the prevailing 210 00:10:07,839 --> 00:10:14,399 Orthodoxy is creaking and falling apart 211 00:10:11,680 --> 00:10:15,640 at the seams uh speaking of nationalism 212 00:10:14,399 --> 00:10:17,279 another major political issue in the 213 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:20,120 crosshairs of the voting public in the 214 00:10:17,279 --> 00:10:21,480 UK is Scottish independence now I wanted 215 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,880 to get your opinion on this because I'm 216 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:25,000 getting constantly hit up by people 217 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,120 wanting me to cover it Nome Chomsky 218 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,160 recently came out and supported the 219 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:30,480 movement but you've said no and I wanted 220 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:33,680 to get your opinion why because I 221 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:36,160 believe that class is the primary uh 222 00:10:33,680 --> 00:10:39,720 division amongst people not uh 223 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:42,160 nationality which is uh here today and 224 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:44,920 uh and gone tomorrow once upon a time 225 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:47,920 Scotland might well have joined France 226 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:50,399 wanted to join France and I'd be talking 227 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:54,240 to you now in a quite different language 228 00:10:50,399 --> 00:10:56,920 if we had there are many states that 229 00:10:54,240 --> 00:11:01,079 have broken up over the last decades and 230 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:04,040 frankly uh it's very rar a success story 231 00:11:01,079 --> 00:11:06,200 and uh so be careful what you wish for I 232 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:09,320 say to the Scottish people though the 233 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:12,240 fact that we're even in danger of 234 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:14,680 Britain breaking up a small island of 235 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:17,120 English-speaking people and incidentally 236 00:11:14,680 --> 00:11:19,399 I'm not sure there's ever been a case 237 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:22,240 where a country where everyone speaks 238 00:11:19,399 --> 00:11:25,240 the same language has ever broken up 239 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:27,320 before unless one were to pray and Aid 240 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:30,839 Yugoslavia and I think that would be a 241 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:33,200 very bad example to choose but the fact 242 00:11:30,839 --> 00:11:35,040 that we're even in danger of seeing 243 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:37,519 Britain breaking up is part of this 244 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:40,480 previous conversation we've just been 245 00:11:37,519 --> 00:11:43,560 having the prevailing Orthodoxy creaking 246 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:46,639 and falling apart at the seams people 247 00:11:43,560 --> 00:11:49,519 hate the British state in Scotland they 248 00:11:46,639 --> 00:11:52,040 hate its role in the world war after war 249 00:11:49,519 --> 00:11:54,360 after War they hate the neoliberal 250 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:57,279 economics the corrupt politics at 251 00:11:54,360 --> 00:12:00,000 Westminster behind me and they think 252 00:11:57,279 --> 00:12:04,440 wrongly in my view that this can be 253 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:08,240 solved by severing the country uh along 254 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:10,200 a border uh which will make foreigners 255 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,839 of working people in the north of 256 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:14,600 England the Midlands of England or in 257 00:12:11,839 --> 00:12:17,320 the poor parts of London it's part of 258 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:20,160 the retoric of Scottish nationalism that 259 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:23,279 London is the problem that the Streets 260 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:25,440 of London are paved with gold but of 261 00:12:23,279 --> 00:12:28,079 course that's not true of London anymore 262 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:30,680 than it's true of New York the streets 263 00:12:28,079 --> 00:12:34,120 of a small part of London are paved with 264 00:12:30,680 --> 00:12:37,320 gold but there's more poverty within 6 265 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:40,240 mil radius of where I'm sitting right 266 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:43,399 now in London than there is in the 267 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:45,760 entirety of Scotland or any other part 268 00:12:43,399 --> 00:12:48,760 uh of the United Kingdom some of the 269 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:51,120 poorest people in the country live uh 270 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:53,839 within a few miles of the city of London 271 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:56,360 in fact within a few hundred yards of 272 00:12:53,839 --> 00:12:59,079 the city of London in the traditional 273 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:01,800 East End of the country so I I don't 274 00:12:59,079 --> 00:13:04,360 want working people to be divided I want 275 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:07,720 working people to unite against those 276 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:09,480 with whom they are objectively divided 277 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,199 income inequality is rising faster here 278 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,360 in America than anywhere else um we're 279 00:13:11,199 --> 00:13:14,199 definitely right there with you these 280 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:16,079 problems are shared worldwide thank you 281 00:13:14,199 --> 00:13:18,680 so much for fighting on the ground 282 00:13:16,079 --> 00:13:22,519 George Galloway member of the UK respect 283 00:13:18,680 --> 00:13:22,519 party amazing to have you on