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in question is this host in joh judge

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Gallow speaker our government ready to

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rely on those friends of Liberty the

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Democratic unionist party to shred the

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Liberties of our own people is almost by

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definition unembarrassed but I hope this

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evening to add to the issues ventilated

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in a recent Channel for dispatchers

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program

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to adumbrate the extent to which the

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tragedy in Somalia which so many people

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are now becoming aware of is another of

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our government's dirty little secrets we

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must stop the story in Ethiopia where 4

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million people according to the United

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Nations are facing

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starvation and we 100

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20,000 Ethiopian children have just one

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month to live according to last week's

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media reports television viewers were

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shocked to see the pictures last week

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about the widespread suffering rolent of

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1984 and the Great Famine of that

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year the US and Britain immediately

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pledged $90 million in famine relief

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just one week after its appeal to the

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International Community for famine

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relief the Ethiopian government

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increased its military budget by $50

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million to $400

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million the regime in Adis Ababa when I

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knew them in the 1980s Mr Deputy speaker

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they were pro- Albanian mests is the

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most militarized and heavily armed in

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Africa it is in a state of Perpetual war

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or preparation for war with one neighbor

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erria it is supporting anti-government

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believe in Sudan but most astonishing of

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all the government of Ethiopia this

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starving country whose little children

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fly infested quash your core swollen

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famished famin stricken children has

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been encouraged armed armed trained

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financed and otherwise facilitated to

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invade and occupy its neighbor Somalia

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and create a reign of terror in that

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land which is testified to by this

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voluminous Amnesty International report

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which if I had time I would extensively

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Somalia has lost thousands of dead as a

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result of the Ethiopian Invasion

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Millions have been displaced Somalia

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under Ethiopian occupation is the

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grimmest prison state in Africa worse

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far worse than mugabi's

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Zimbabwe and who has done the

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encouraging the arming the training the

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financing and the

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facilitating the same us and British

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governments who donated the $90 million

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to the same Ethiopian government which

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is burning its money and burning The

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Villages the neighborhoods and the

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people of occupied Somalia this

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government is never done talking about

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the shortcomings of African leaders just

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last week in Rome the Secretary of State

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for International Development was

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roaring at Robert macabi yet there has

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not been a squeak out of him or any

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other minister about the much bigger

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crime in which we are ourselves deeply

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complicit is it any wonder that African

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opinion considers so much of what we

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have to say about Miss governance in

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Africa to be the deepest most cynical

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hypocrisy two weeks ago Channel 4's

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dispatchers team took terrifying risks

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to bring us the latest from occupied mad

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disu it was undoubtedly an award-winning

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documentary it was memorable for many

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reasons not least the scene in in the

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FCO when the minister Lord Malik Brown

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his face Frozen in horror was confronted

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by Adam Hartley with the central case of

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the documentary makers which for those

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members who didn't see it I know that

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the minister will have seen it she could

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hardly be sent out to bat on this Wicket

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without being shown it was this that in

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the grim prison state of occupied

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Somalia the Fingerprints of our country

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and our government are all over the

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scene of the crime the president of the

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puppet regime imposed by the Ethiopian

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Army in Somalia turns out to be British

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he spends much of his time here well

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it's dangerous in Somalia after all he

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has property here family here he

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presides over a gang of torturers

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murderers Grand leners

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extortionists and then flies back to

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England the police chief whose police

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officers kidnapped people for ransom

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which they extort from people living in

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our own country in Leicester in

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London his police officers torture

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people they make them disappear they

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kill them if their families will not pay

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he's British too Mr Deputy speaker and

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the former interior Minister who

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presides over an interior of mass

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refugee camps starvation and misery and

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who stands accused of stealing

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International Aid of diverting food for

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political purposes why he also is

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British and guess what who is paying the

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wages of the murdering kidnapping

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torturing quisling police force in

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Ethiopian occupied Somalia that's right

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we are the puppet dictatorship in

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Somalia is a very British crime

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especially as our own government

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especially the pocket size Palmerston

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the Secretary of State hither to

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referred to is so very valuable on other

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problems in Africa so how did we get

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here how did we get into bed with the

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former pro Albanian Mists of the

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government in Adis Ababa I'm afraid it's

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our old friend our old

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acquaintance the policy of my enemy's

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enemy is my friend this policy which has

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put us in so much

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trouble from

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Afghanistan to Iraq and many other parts

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of the world is what lies behind this

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obscene

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Paradox we are supporting the Ethiopian

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government's occupation of Somalia

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because George Bush told us to because

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Somalia is a Frontline in George

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Bush's ill-conceived

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counterproductive utterly discredited

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States so-called war on Terra we are

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against the former government of Somalia

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because it was an Islamic government

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just as we're against the government in

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Sudan because it's an Islamic government

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just as Ethiopia on our behalf opposes

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the government in erria because it's an

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Islamic government this

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policy having been such a disaster

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around the world is now

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in full force in Somalia and but for

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channel 4's dispatches hardly anyone in

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Britain would know anyone about it no

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Minister has come to the dispatch box to

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explain why British taxpayers money is

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being paid to a police force in madesu

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which is accused of kidnapping people

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and extorting the money for the ransom

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from British citizens no British

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government Minister has come to explain

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unless one takes long Malik Brown's

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explanation why we are so heavily

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involved with a puppet regime bereft of

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political and public support in

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Somalia this policy Mr Deputy speaker of

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backing anyone that bush tells us to

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this policy of backing anyone who's

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against those which we today perceive

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ourselves to be against is morally

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utterly vacuous but arguably worse than

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that it's not only morally vacuous it's

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a total dismal failure as we found in

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Afghanistan to our bitter bitter cost

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not least this very week the very

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muahs that Mrs ther's government loaded

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and supported and armed are now

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murdering and killing our soldiers in

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Afghanistan or I beg to move that this

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house do now adjourn the question is

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this house do now adjourn to George

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Galloway I had the adjournment debate it

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was scheduled to start at 7:00 for half

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hour it I've now had 10 minutes and the

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country or those interested watching on

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Parliament TV will not hear the minister

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reply theable gentleman has

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misunderstood the agerman debate is now

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starting at 7:00 he so far had bonus

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time time it's one of the systems we

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have to go through as far as the house

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is concerned well that's truly

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magnificent Mr Deputy speaker and uh I

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have plenty to say perhaps I can now

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quote from Amnesty International in more

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detail in the time that I didn't think

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Deputy speaker this policy is not only

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morally bankrupt it is also politically

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disastrous Afghanistan is the perfect

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case in point and if Ethiopia which is

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presiding the Ethiopian government

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presiding over a country where now

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famine and mass starvation stalks the

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land is being helped militarily to

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invade and occupy its neighbors and

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threaten other of its

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neighbors what can this conceivably do

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for our standing in Africa what can this

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do for our credibility when we lecture

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the government of Sudan or the

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government of

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Zimbabwe but if our problems on this

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that the Somalians are the tallest

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people on the Earth but they're

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virtually invisible politically on the

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international stage and in our own

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country but there are hundreds of

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thousands of Somalians in our country

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hundreds of thousands either because

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they have European Union passports or

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because they are refugees from the very

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fighting which we inart are

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fueling and their young people are

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increasingly Furious bitter angry

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nursing their WTH as they watch on the

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Somali television and Elsewhere on other

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Muslim channels the Carnage in their

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country 2 million people in a country of

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million that's almost a fifth of the

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population if it were our population it

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would be 12 million people

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living as refugees if you want to scale

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country a million refugees in

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neighboring countries God knows how many

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hundreds of thousand scattered across

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the European Union these families in

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their bitter Exile are bringing up Sons

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maybe daughters too who are bitter and

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Furious at the Western role in the

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problem that they see rolled out on

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their television

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screens in their country and we who've

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spent how many hours trying to deal with

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the problem of terrorism cannot see the

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connection between this constant policy

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of infuriating young Muslim boys and

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girls by the double standards and the

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Injustice of our policy towards their

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countries and the countries their

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parents come from we can't see the

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connection between the growth of

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extremism government's always looking

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for a cleric to blame or an organization

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to ban for the radicalization of Muslim

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youth in Britain but they don't need a

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cleric or an organization to radicalize

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them Mr Deputy speaker they just have to

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watch the news they just have to watch

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what our government is doing in Muslim

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countries like Somalia now I want to

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know from the minister because I know

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that she seen the channel 4 dispatches

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program I know that she's not going to

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stand up and claim that she didn't see

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it even though she's answering a debate

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on human rights in Somalia in the house

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this evening I know that she's seen the

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program so I want to ask her to do a

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better job than Lord Malik Brown did in

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explaining why are we paying for from

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our taxes taxes that amongst other

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things could be used to help starving

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people in Ethiopia or keep our

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pensioners warm in the winter or keep

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some of our post offices open as the

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minister for closing post offices is by

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your chair I hope he's in the house and

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it's in order for me to refer to him

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money that we could have used for a

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better purpose is being spent on the

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security forces in Somalia which are

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Accused by Amnesty International as well

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as by Channel 4 of widespread abuses of

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human rights of torture of order of

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disappearance of kidnapping extortion

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and Grand

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larsoning why are we allowing the

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minister of the interior of Somalia to

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travel back and forward into our country

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unmolested when he's Accused by Aid

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agencies of pining International Aid

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desperately needed emergency aid for

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Hungry people for himself and for

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political purposes for his political

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plan why isn't the government stopping

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him at the border questioning him about

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where the money went that was put into

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Somalia and has

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disappeared Aid agencies will not set

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foot by and large now in Somalia so

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catastrophic has the situation

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become I want to ask the

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minister why we are

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supporting a president an interior

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Minister a chief of police in Somalia

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allowing them freely to come and go

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without answering the charges that are

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being made against them when will the

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government at least condemn the human

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rights abuses in

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Somalia Amnesty International has

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voluminously recorded them but not a

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squeak from the government that's never

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done roaring at Sudan or Zimbabwe why

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because we are deeply complicit and

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indeed we are paying for it we are

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paying for the security services that

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are committing these crimes in Somalia

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now the government may

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think that because most Somali in

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Britain don't have votes for one reason

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or another that tall as they are they

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can be ignored but the truth is this is

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a ticking Time Bomb inside our own

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country the

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loathing from the somal community in

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Britain of the actions of our government

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is a ticking time bomb in

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Britain I if not she I'm constantly

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exposed in my own constituency and in

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Birmingham and Leicester and other

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places to the anger of these young somal

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it's a disaster waiting to happen Mr

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Deputy speaker and I hope that the

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minister will announce today that she

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will in the in the wake of channel 4's

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Revelations investigate properly these

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invest these uh

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allegations and she will report to the

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house her findings on that matter

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the truth is Mr Deputy speaker our

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government's foreign policy towards this

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Horn of

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Africa towards Afghanistan and not just

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this government previous British

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governments too I sat in the opposition

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accusing the then prime minister Mrs

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thata of having opened the gates to the

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barbarians with her support for the

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so-called mujahadin in Afghanistan all

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those many years ago Mr Deputy speaker

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you will perhaps recall it yourself this

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policy which our governments have

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followed of my enemy's enemy is my

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friend is a fatally flawed policy it's

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fatally flawed everywhere that it's been

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tried and it's now being tried all over

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again in Somalia so for the sake of the

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many Somali who are watching

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this because the world is out in the

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Somali Community about this debate this

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evening for the sake of the people on

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universal TV and other Somali Channels

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who will show this debate I hope that

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the

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minister will come clean about the

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Dreadful problems that exist and I hope

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she'll say to the Ethiopian

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government

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the the giving away can I congratulate

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him on on on his success in getting this

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uh debate this evening I apologize that

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I've arrived late Mr Deputy speaker

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caught me slightly unawares um what's

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best for the Somalian people and Somalia

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itself of course is security does The

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Honorable gentleman accept that the

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Ethiopian government are providing

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Security in Somalia at the moment and

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they want to withdraw from Somalia the

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earliest possible moment and would he

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join me in encouraging the United

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Nations and an Amazon and also the

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African Union to ensure that troops are

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put back into Somalia in order to give

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somalis that security that they need

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Ethiopian troops want to return to Adis

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Ababa well I don't accept it I don't

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accept it at all Mr Deputy speaker and I

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know the Ethiopian government rather

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better it seems than the honorable

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gentleman as I explained before he came

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in I knew them when they were Pro

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Albanian Mist guillas in the tplf I you

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all their leaders who are now the

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government ministers I know that they

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have no intention of withdrawing from

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Somalia unless they're forced to they

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want to occupy Somalia because they've

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been paid to do do so and they were paid

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to do so by the governments of the

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United States and by our own government

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they're doing a job for what they imagin

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to be the

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Western International western part of

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the International Community well the

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minister for closing post offices laughs

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but he has many Somali in his

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constituency as I have in mind and I

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hope that the camera caught him laughing

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the truth is

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I do apologize for intervening on The

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Honorable jent I didn't anything he's

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been saying so far well

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uh I I'll not go further down that uh

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track perhaps the camera caught the uh

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very

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similitude the truth is that the

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Ethiopian government is carrying out a

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service for the people who give it

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weapons for the people who give it money

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and for the people who give it

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diplomatic and political support they're

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having a

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in the Ethiopian Embassy next week

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perhaps The Honorable gentleman is going

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you'll certainly get an invitation in

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the post after he's after his uh

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intervention on my speech they're having

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a bino to celebrate the 17th anniversary

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in the Ethiopian Embassy in London of

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their coming to power it's going to be a

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very Grand Event this at a time when

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their own people are starving to death

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their children are starving to death

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120,000 of them with a month to live

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and they're invading and occupying their

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neighboring countries and nobody says

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boo about it in fact far from saying buo

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they say here's some more military and

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some more financial aid to do it because

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the government of President Bush utterly

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discredited on its way out with

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virtually nowhere to go except Downing

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Street on Sunday for one last photoc

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call regards that the defeat of the

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former Islamic government in Somalia as

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part of its war on terror that's what

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this is all about Ethiopia is playing

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the

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role of hammer in the Horn of Africa for

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the United States policy and its war on

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Terra that's what Ethiopia are doing and

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therefore they will not withdraw until a

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new American government hopefully with a

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Kenyan

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Affiliated president tells them that

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actually this policy is deeply

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flawed because the puppet regime of

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British citizens imposed on Somalia by

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the Ethiopian Invasion wouldn't last 5

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minutes if the Ethiopian forces withdrew

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they'd have to withdraw with it and so

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any government that's going to come to

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power in Somalia in the future will be

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filled with hatred of Britain and the

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United States this is the problem we

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keep making everywhere we intervene

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either to prop up tyrants or to support

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tyrants because we don't like the

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tyrants they're fighting

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against and then we generate still more

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problems for ourselves and we wonder why

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and we agonizingly debate anti-terrorism

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laws why so many people in the Muslim

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World want to hurt us why so many young

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people in the Muslim world are so bitter

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and angry about us that they want to

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hurt us well is it any Wonder can it be

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any Wonder to any same person I'm giving

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way in a second to The Honorable

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gentleman can it be any Wonder it's

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these kind of policies I I I beg the

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minister to believe me because I'm

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talking to somalis all the time the rage

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felt in the Somali community in Britain

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and around the world about Britain and

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America's role in their country is

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generating a terrorist let me spell it

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out as the uh right honorable gentleman

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who saved the government's bacon earlier

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uh this evening is now in his place let

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me spell it out as we spent so many

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hours discussing anti-terrorism we are

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making new terrorists in Britain with

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our policy towards Somalia with our

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double standards with our hypocrisy I

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give way to The Honorable gentleman The

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Honorable gentleman he's being very

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generous whilst the uh government of

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Ethiopia is not perfect and indeed there

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are governments closer to home uh that

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aren't perfect and it's absolutely right

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the human rights abuses by the Somali

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Security Services are fully investigated

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does nevertheless he accept that if

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Ethiopian troops at this current time

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withdrew that would create a security

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vacuum into which terrorist groups

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including Al-Qaeda would create Mayhem

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in the Horn of Africa a key and

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strategic location and that would come

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back to haunt us but Mr Deputy speaker I

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said in this house over there when we

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recall the house just a few days after

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the atrocity of 9/11 if you'll forgive

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me quoting myself I said said if we

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handle this the wrong way we'll make

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10,000 new bin laddin and we have

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handled it the wrong way and we have

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made 10,000 new bin ladans and the

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problem of al-Qaeda in Somalia has been

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made worse by the Western intervention

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and the Ethiopian Invasion far more

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people have been recruited to a narrow

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fundamentalist separatist violent

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islamism by our policy than ever would

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have been if the policy had never been

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formed the honorable gentleman obviously

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hasn't read this Amnesty International

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document the Ethiopian forces are not

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providing security they're providing

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mass murder and mass Terror in the

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occupied Somalia the refugee camps are

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full of 2 million people no one can walk

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on the streets of madesu channel 4's

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reporters were almost killed making

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their program some of their team on the

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same vehicle with them were shot dead

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live on television Vision Bales well

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they were making well The Honorable

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gentleman from a sedentary position says

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Bales I don't know if they were balies

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or by Ethiopians the point is the

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country has been plunged into utter

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lawlessness and to pretend that the

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Ethiopian government is providing

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Security in a

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country with whom security should never

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be mentioned in the same sentence is

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completely ridiculous there may be a

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need for African Union forces there may

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be a need for AR League forces and I

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hope in conclusion and I'm sorry I

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apologize to the minister for taking a

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minute more than I ought to but I'll

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close on this point there may be a need

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for other forces this conflict is going

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to go on I hope the minister is not

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going to claim that the deal reached

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this week is any kind of deal for

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solving this problem because the people

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who are doing the fighting are not

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involved in the deal it would be like a

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peace process in the north of Ireland uh

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which excluded the people who were doing

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the fighting that's what's been reached

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uh with relation to Somalia in the last

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few days so I'm grateful to you Mr

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Deputy speaker even more grateful for

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the extra time that I got and I

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apologize for myish point of order which

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turned out to be entirely misconstrued

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and I do hope that we get some answers

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from the minister this

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evening

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magman thank you Mr Deputy speaker and I

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welcome the opportunity to reply to the

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member for Bethel green and B on this

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debate I see this as an excellent chance

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to highlight how the foreign and

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Commonwealth office seeks to address a

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number of issues relating to Somalia as