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by some political will to try and point

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a score i think that's a really

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important point but can i clarify one

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point maria is it in your view the

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government's job to make sure if i buy a

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can and it says beef

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is it your job to make sure it is beef

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or somebody else's job i think it's

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absolutely squarely the role of both the

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manufacturer and also the retailer to

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make sure the products that are on there

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are absolutely what they should be i

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think i mean everybody is blaming

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government

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both governments for not checking that

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that's beef the government has got a

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role to check that but the primary

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responsibilities have got to raise

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the primary responsibility when you're

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dealing with a mass fraud on a

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pan-european scale

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the liberal democrats and the tories

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want to blame on criminals i may say if

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it's all just a criminal matter why did

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the tories take three weeks to call in

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the police because that's what it took

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them before they asked the police in

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this country to start treating it as a

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crime

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but this goes to the heart of the matter

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there are consequences to deregulation

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the tories are always talking about we

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need to get rid of red tape and

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deregulate this these are the kind of

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consequences that occur when you

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deregulate and there are consequences to

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sacking public servants

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off the hook no but i hold you

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responsible for what happens in this

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country not find us we didn't elect

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we can't

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instead of in the house of lords the

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house of lords is

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i don't want a blind guy

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i want you to face up to this if you

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sack police officers there are

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consequences if you sack food standards

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agency uh inspectors there are

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consequences it's time to end this

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cutting of public service workers as if

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public servants were some rubbish that

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can be easily dispensed