1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,800 joining me now as a man not known for 2 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:06,359 sitting on the fence he passionately 3 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:08,840 opposed the invasion of Iraq and now he 4 00:00:06,359 --> 00:00:10,679 feels that hisbah is Justified in 5 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:12,559 attacking Israel the respect MP for 6 00:00:10,679 --> 00:00:14,559 Bethel green is in our Central London 7 00:00:12,559 --> 00:00:16,800 Studio a very good evening a good 8 00:00:14,559 --> 00:00:19,640 morning rather to you Mr Galloway how do 9 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:21,560 you justify your support for hisbah and 10 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:23,720 its leader shik Hassan nzala a 11 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:26,560 Preposterous way to introduce an item 12 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:29,439 and what a Preposterous first question 13 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:31,720 24 years ago on the day my daughter was 14 00:00:29,439 --> 00:00:34,360 born and just celebrated her 24th 15 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:37,040 birthday I had to dash to the maternity 16 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:39,960 hospital to see her given birth from a 17 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:42,320 mass demonstration in London against the 18 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:45,320 Israeli Invasion and occupation of 19 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:48,440 Lebanon Israel has been invading and 20 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:52,960 occupying Lebanon all of my 24-year-old 21 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:55,440 daughter's life the hisbah are a part of 22 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:57,719 the Lebanese National resistance who are 23 00:00:55,440 --> 00:01:00,480 trying to drive having successfully 24 00:00:57,719 --> 00:01:03,840 driven most Israelis from their land in 25 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:05,920 2000 Israel from the rest of their land 26 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:09,320 and to get back those thousands of 27 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:12,479 Lebanese prisoners who were kidnapped by 28 00:01:09,320 --> 00:01:15,320 Israel under the terms of their illegal 29 00:01:12,479 --> 00:01:17,920 occupation of Lebanon it's Israel that's 30 00:01:15,320 --> 00:01:20,920 invading Lebanon it's Israel that's 31 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:23,280 attacking Lebanon not Lebanon that's 32 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:27,400 attacking Israel you've just been 33 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:30,479 carrying a report of 10 Israeli soldiers 34 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:34,960 on the border getting ready to invade 35 00:01:30,479 --> 00:01:37,479 Lebanon and you ask us to mourn that 36 00:01:34,960 --> 00:01:41,200 operation as if it were some kind of War 37 00:01:37,479 --> 00:01:46,200 crime Israel is invading Lebanon and has 38 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:48,719 killed 30 times more Lebanese cili than 39 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:52,159 have died in Israel so it's you who 40 00:01:48,719 --> 00:01:54,240 should be justifying the evident bias 41 00:01:52,159 --> 00:01:56,520 which is written on every line on your 42 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:58,719 face and is in every Nuance of your 43 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:00,920 voice and is loaded in every question 44 00:01:58,719 --> 00:02:02,520 that you ask 45 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,759 right the uh you put your finger on the 46 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:06,039 button though didn't you when you said 47 00:02:03,759 --> 00:02:08,640 that hisbah was set up back in the 1980s 48 00:02:06,039 --> 00:02:10,959 in order to remove every Israeli soldier 49 00:02:08,640 --> 00:02:13,640 from Lebanese soil as you said it 50 00:02:10,959 --> 00:02:16,000 achieved that in 2000 it this is a 51 00:02:13,640 --> 00:02:17,680 setback it didn't this is a key point 52 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:21,120 that you're you're concealing from your 53 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:24,400 viewers Israel was forced out of most of 54 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:27,680 the south of Lebanon in 2000 it still 55 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:31,040 occupies a part of Lebanon since 56 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:32,720 2000s area is subject to latest draft 57 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:36,440 resolution thousand of Lebanese 58 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:36,440 prisoners have been kidnapped by 59 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:43,159 Israel for Ministry spokesman who said 60 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:44,800 that the three Lebanese who have been uh 61 00:02:43,159 --> 00:02:46,640 captured perhaps you'd like to use that 62 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:49,360 word have been before not those these 63 00:02:46,640 --> 00:02:52,120 are not prisoners of law oh please have 64 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:53,720 a slightly longer memory than 4 weeks 65 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:57,000 I'm talking about the thousands of 66 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:59,840 prisoners taken during the 18 years of 67 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:01,760 Israeli occupation illegal occupation of 68 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:04,519 South Lebanon these are the prisoners 69 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:06,319 that have to be released in exchange for 70 00:03:04,519 --> 00:03:09,680 the Israeli soldiers that were captured 71 00:03:06,319 --> 00:03:11,879 at the beginning of this wave of the 72 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:14,319 crisis can I ask you about a report 73 00:03:11,879 --> 00:03:17,480 that's in today's Sunday Telegraph which 74 00:03:14,319 --> 00:03:20,440 showed that Iran has given hisbah long 75 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:23,239 range uh missiles capable of targeting 76 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:26,319 any part of Israel uh Iran according to 77 00:03:23,239 --> 00:03:28,840 this Iranian MP who helped found hisbah 78 00:03:26,319 --> 00:03:30,959 has also said that he's Iran has given 79 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:33,360 the organization organization author 80 00:03:30,959 --> 00:03:35,000 authorization rather to Target Tel Aviv 81 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,640 can you blame Israel for wanting to 82 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:40,000 destroy those missiles this is 83 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:42,560 preposterous America has given Israel uh 84 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:45,000 missiles that can Target not just every 85 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:48,080 city in Lebanon but every city in the 86 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:50,239 Arab and Muslim world including Iran why 87 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:52,959 should America be allowed to give long 88 00:03:50,239 --> 00:03:56,680 range missiles to Israel including 89 00:03:52,959 --> 00:03:58,840 hundreds of nuclear missiles but Iran to 90 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:01,120 a terrorist organization but they're not 91 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:04,640 a terrorist organ ization only in the 92 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:07,840 mind of rert Murdoch's sky and the times 93 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:10,000 and the Sun and the News of the World 94 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:12,360 terrorist prescribed terrorist 95 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,920 organizations one man's terrorist is 96 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,799 another man's Freedom Fighter we know 97 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:18,280 that perfectly well in most people's 98 00:04:15,799 --> 00:04:19,880 eyes they are deemed to be they had a 99 00:04:18,280 --> 00:04:21,560 choice didn't they let's let's let's 100 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:24,479 understand this they had a choice like 101 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:27,040 the IRA no no 102 00:04:24,479 --> 00:04:30,520 nothing listen Anna I'm saying they had 103 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:33,680 a choice to absorb the idea of politics 104 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:35,360 they cabinet ministers Anna one man's 105 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:38,360 terrorist is another man's Freedom 106 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:41,240 Fighter you are totally wrong in saying 107 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:44,759 that in most people's eyes Hezbollah are 108 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:47,320 terrorists in most people's eyes Israel 109 00:04:44,759 --> 00:04:50,080 is a terrorist State it's the fact that 110 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:52,759 you cannot comprehend that fact that 111 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:55,000 leads to the bias which runs through all 112 00:04:52,759 --> 00:04:56,560 of your reporting and every question 113 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:59,240 that you've asked me in this 114 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:01,280 interview mhm can can I ask you one 115 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:03,600 question I I was relating to the IRA and 116 00:05:01,280 --> 00:05:06,639 shin Fain they have decided to embrace 117 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:08,280 politics hisbah had the chance to 118 00:05:06,639 --> 00:05:10,039 embrace politics they've already got two 119 00:05:08,280 --> 00:05:12,759 cabinet ministers they're well respected 120 00:05:10,039 --> 00:05:14,720 in the South politics they are what I'm 121 00:05:12,759 --> 00:05:17,080 say of the if you listen to me I'm 122 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:19,240 saying they've got two cabinet ministers 123 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:21,080 already they had a chance to do that why 124 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:23,120 did they need to capture and kill 125 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:25,720 Israeli soldiers on the border surely 126 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:28,160 They Se sets back their to be a 127 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:30,919 political force inside a democratic 128 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:33,120 Lebanon look because Israel occupies 129 00:05:30,919 --> 00:05:36,240 their country and holds thousands of 130 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:38,639 their compatriots as kidnapped hostages 131 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:41,919 in their dungeons it's really very 132 00:05:38,639 --> 00:05:44,600 simple except if you think only in a 133 00:05:41,919 --> 00:05:46,080 clock that goes back four weeks if you 134 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,520 know and you're old enough to know 135 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:51,840 better that this origins of this 136 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:55,840 conflict are not 4 weeks or 4 years or 137 00:05:51,840 --> 00:05:58,800 14 years but decades old you want people 138 00:05:55,840 --> 00:06:01,400 to think that the crisis started when 139 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:03,479 the clock started [ __ ] on Sky News 140 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:05,919 unfortunately the people in Lebanon I 141 00:06:03,479 --> 00:06:08,680 ask you one yeah I want to ask you one 142 00:06:05,919 --> 00:06:09,960 final question do you think that the the 143 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,479 four weeks that we've seen as you 144 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:15,880 mentioned the 26 days of this crisis has 145 00:06:12,479 --> 00:06:18,919 set back hezbollah's ambition Ambitions 146 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:21,240 not not only are isra soldiers now over 147 00:06:18,919 --> 00:06:23,240 the Border let me finish let me finish 148 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,960 would you mind let me finish please not 149 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:27,960 only are Israeli soldiers over the 150 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:29,199 Border in sizable numbers but also their 151 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,280 claims to be a good political 152 00:06:29,199 --> 00:06:33,000 organization ation to help a democratic 153 00:06:31,280 --> 00:06:34,960 Lebanese government with the syrians 154 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:37,160 who've also now left an independent 155 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:39,479 state that has also come to blows as 156 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:41,759 well what a silly question what a silly 157 00:06:39,479 --> 00:06:43,199 person you are hisbah is winning the war 158 00:06:41,759 --> 00:06:46,560 you can see on the other half of the 159 00:06:43,199 --> 00:06:49,639 screen hisbah is more popular my 160 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:52,000 question hisbah is more popular today in 161 00:06:49,639 --> 00:06:55,280 Lebanon amongst Christians amongst 162 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:57,599 sunnis among Shiites amongst all Arabs 163 00:06:55,280 --> 00:07:00,599 amongst all Muslims than it has ever 164 00:06:57,599 --> 00:07:03,280 been it's Israel who lost the war and 165 00:07:00,599 --> 00:07:05,479 Bush and Blair for politically 166 00:07:03,280 --> 00:07:07,840 organizing the war who've lost 167 00:07:05,479 --> 00:07:10,240 politically this is a defeat for Bush 168 00:07:07,840 --> 00:07:12,960 and Blair and Israel everybody but you 169 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:15,560 can see it let me separate out that 170 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:17,240 question then is it a setback given that 171 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,800 hisbah was set up in order to get 172 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:22,280 Israeli soldiers off Lebanese soil that 173 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:24,759 there are now more Israeli soldiers on 174 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:26,879 Lebanese soil than there were 26 days 175 00:07:24,759 --> 00:07:28,440 ago uh uh well they seem to be getting a 176 00:07:26,879 --> 00:07:29,919 bloody good hiding on the other half of 177 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,960 the screen that I'm watching maybe you 178 00:07:29,919 --> 00:07:34,240 can't see it but I'm watching them 179 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:37,080 getting a bloody good hiding in the war 180 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:40,440 so if that's a success I'm not sure what 181 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:42,680 a failure would look like the reality is 182 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:45,080 that this conflict will go on the United 183 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:47,800 Nations resolution solves nothing gives 184 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:50,360 Lebanon nothing gives the prisoners in 185 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:52,479 Israeli dungeons nothing and as an clued 186 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:55,440 my AR while colleague was just saying 187 00:07:52,479 --> 00:07:57,759 Israel has just kidnapped even more 188 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:59,840 Palestinian politicians cabinet 189 00:07:57,759 --> 00:08:01,479 ministers members of parliament and 190 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:03,400 thousands of others held in Israeli 191 00:08:01,479 --> 00:08:05,879 Dungeons and this war will continue 192 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:08,240 until the overall settlement is reached 193 00:08:05,879 --> 00:08:11,360 that settlement must mean Israeli 194 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:14,280 withdrawal from all occupied territory 195 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:16,919 that it currently holds since the War in 196 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:18,919 1967 the release of all political 197 00:08:16,919 --> 00:08:21,360 prisoners and a state for the 198 00:08:18,919 --> 00:08:24,440 Palestinians with East Jerusalem as its 199 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:26,280 capital no justice no peace you're not 200 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:30,400 going out of business as a news caster 201 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:31,879 in Jerusalem anytime soon believe me 202 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,800 well as usual you have prompted a huge 203 00:08:31,879 --> 00:08:35,200 email response both for and against you 204 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,919 Mr Galloway so we'll leave it there I 205 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:39,080 have to say that some people might find 206 00:08:36,919 --> 00:08:40,959 it offensive when more families are 207 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:43,919 mourning their dead to you to hear you 208 00:08:40,959 --> 00:08:44,959 say that it was D you don't give a damn 209 00:08:43,919 --> 00:08:47,519 you don't even know about the 210 00:08:44,959 --> 00:08:51,120 Palestinian families you don't even know 211 00:08:47,519 --> 00:08:53,720 that they exist tell me the name of one 212 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:56,519 member of the seven members of the same 213 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:58,760 family slaughtered on the beach in Gaza 214 00:08:56,519 --> 00:09:00,920 by an Israeli warship you don't even 215 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:03,680 know their name but you know the name of 216 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:06,120 every Israeli soldier who's been taken 217 00:09:03,680 --> 00:09:08,200 prisoner in this conflict because you 218 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:10,839 believe whether you know it or not the 219 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:13,440 Israeli blood is more valuable than the 220 00:09:10,839 --> 00:09:15,200 blood of Lebanese or Palestinians that's 221 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:18,040 the truth and the Discerning of your 222 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:21,040 viewers already know 223 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:21,040 it