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our guests today are in the studio

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Andrew Percy conservative MP for Brig

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and ghoul and in our Westminster studio

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is George Galloway the respect MP for

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Bradford West in Sheffield is Angela

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Smith labor MP for peniston and

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stocksbridge George Galloway if I can

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start with you you've been at the center

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of some controversy this week because

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within hours of Margaret Thatcher's

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death you put out the remark the

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dirt down is that a respectful way to

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speak of our former leader well I didn't

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respect her in life it would have been

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pure hypocrisy to pretend to do so in

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death she murdered the north of the

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country all the places that we're

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talking to now were devastated by her

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decade in power she murdered the coal

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industry she murdered the steel industry

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she murdered the ship building industry

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Merchant shipping and so on so everybody

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watching this is living in a community

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which was murdered by Margaret Thatcher

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so I'm more concerned about thar's

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victims than about her Andrew Percy I

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suspect will take a different view well

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I do I mean at least George has been

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consistent in his views on Margaret

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Thatcher but you know I grew up in in

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humberside as it was then uh throughout

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the 80s and throughout the 90s and it's

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not true to say that the communities

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were murdered by Margaret Thatcher

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indeed you know the biggest land grant

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ever given for regeneration came from

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the Thatcher government to the city of

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Hull in the 1980s but you know quite

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appropriately I guess and she'd probably

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like this herself she divided opinion

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but parts of our region large parts of

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Yorkshire certainly Lincolnshire and

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certainly the area I represent now swung

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very heavily behind Margaret Thatcher

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when she was in office electing you know

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conservative MPS in places where

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conservative MPS weren't elected at the

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last election even so you know she

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divided opinion there's no doubt about

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that but she did a lot of good for our

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region as well Angela Smith why are so

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many labor women sniffy about Margaret

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Thatcher didn't she pave the way for

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more women to succeed in politics well I

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mean she she certainly achieved the uh

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Accolade of being the first female prime

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minister but she pulled up the ladder

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behind her didn't she and um the fact

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that we have so many labor women MPS in

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Westminster now is is not Margaret

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Thatcher's Legacy it's the legacy of the

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work that labor women have done through

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the dec decades people like Barbara

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Castle that's the woman that we look up

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to as having achieved things for women

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Margaret Thatcher didn't really do a

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great deal for women at all and if I can

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return to the point I think think you

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know we have to I want to be uh

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dignified and to show some respect to

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show respect for Margaret Thatcher in

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death but like David blun I'd say one

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thing I cannot forgive her for what she

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did to communities across South

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Yorkshire she will never be forgiven in

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our area for what she did she as as

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George Galloway said she did she

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devastated the coal industry severely

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damaged and devastated the steel

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industry as well and we will never

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forgive her George Galloway is it

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acceptable for people to celebrate the

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death of Margaret Thatcher well I I'm

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not myself celebrating but the fact that

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some are is a measure as Andrew said of

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just how divisive a person she was she

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was elected with big majorities but on

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40% of the vote she never commanded

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anything like half of the support of the

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British people she was only elected

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because of the traitors of the sdp as it

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was now squirming on the Coalition bench

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uh and it was their defection from labor

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and the votes that they took with them

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that allowed a Tori government with

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sufficiently large majorities to Ram

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home their right-wing thatcherite policy

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that and the diversion of the folklands

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war which of course included the war

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crime committed against the ship the

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belgrano where more than 300 young

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conscripts were sent to a watery grave

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on Mrs ther's own personal order

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even though they were shot in the back

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as they were speeding away from the

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exclusion Zone were outside of the war

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and headed back to Port what's your take

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on that version of History well it's

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certainly a unique version of history

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and it's not one that I think the

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majority of people particularly in

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regards to the Falklands uh would um uh

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would would relate to I mean the idea

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that you know taking out an enemy ship

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that had been zigzagging is in some way

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a war crime when uh we had had a piece

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of our territory uh invaded either think

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really stands much scrutiny however in

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terms of um Thatcher's broader Legacy in

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our region I think you know it is

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important to point out that for a lot of

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people not necessarily you know so much

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women but actually people from normal

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backgrounds people like me who come from

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a traditional labor background we were

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attracted to thater even at a very young

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age I was attracted to that idea that it

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doesn't matter who you are where you

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come from if you work hard you can be

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rewarded you can do well for yourself

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and that's something I and a lot of

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people in Yorkshire because of course

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she got 44% of the vote and that's a lot

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more than Tony Blair got in his years uh

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and any government has had since then so

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you know there were a lot of people who

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were inspired by that message taken into

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account of course that there are a lot

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of people in our region as well who have

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very strong emotions the other way