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honorable Parian

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gon distinguished generals members of

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the

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house let me deal with the gravest

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calumny that has been leveled at us this

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evening namely that we are

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pacifists Captain

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Baron is no

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pacifist and neither am I and I'll fight

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any man that says I am

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we're not making this proposition this

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evening because we're

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pacifists neither are we in any sense

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second to The Honorable gentleman

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opposite in our

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determination to see the defeat of Isis

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and

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Al-Qaeda neither are we in second place

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to defend our people and our homeland

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against terrorism which is of course a

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separate

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matter on which we across the house are

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in

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agreement if Al-Qaeda and Isis come here

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we must shoot them

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dead and divine the mayor of London I'll

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be out with our well-armed police force

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helping them shoot them dead this is an

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entirely red hering a strong man

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introduced into this debate in order to

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confuse I want to see every member of

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Isis and Al-Qaeda and all the other

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organizations like them dead on the

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battlefield the difference

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here is our

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contention that the world's

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Western

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intervention and Isis re

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ought to appear in the same

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sentence because of course the West are

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responsible for Isis it was the West who

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created Isis both directly and

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indirectly don't shake your head even

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Tony

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Blair accepts

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that President Obama made the case very

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clearly just a month or two ago

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as he said grew out of our Invasion and

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occupation of

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Iraq it's an example he said of how we

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should aim before we

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should and he was right about that but

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what is less well known I'm giving the

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information what is less well

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known what is less well known

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is that this game started very much

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longer ago than

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that how did the Taliban and

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alqa come to be they came to be because

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the British and American governments

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principally using the money of the same

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satrapies in the Persian Gulf who are

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paying for the war in Syria now built up

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this

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monster of islamist fanaticism M and

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extremism don't believe me watch Rambo

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five watch Rambo 5 and see the

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dedication at the end of the

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movie to the Freedom Fighters of

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Afghanistan who were of course to become

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Al-Qaeda and the

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Taliban it goes back even further than

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that but I've only got 8 minutes and it

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takes me 8 minutes to get my name and

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address out generally

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so I'll make my

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point that our culpability in the

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creation of Isis is unanswerable even

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from the mouths of those who are

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principally responsible for

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it we're responsible for it I'm giving

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the information son the responsibility

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is both direct and indirect we didn't

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just invade and break and Destroy and

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and Scatter to the Four

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Winds all the pieces of Iraq that have

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not yet may never be put back together

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again the reason we've got Isis in

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Syria is because the same United States

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and Britain have been pouring money

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material weapons political and

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diplomatic and propaganda

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support for the

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rebels and every gun every piece of

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material that we delivered to the

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battlefield in Syria ended up in the

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hands of either Isis or alaa or one of

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these other groups that too is not

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contestable yes um just because we may

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have a historical responsibility for the

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actions the creation of Isis does not

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mean not learned from our mistakes oh

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trust me trust me brother anybody

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listening to this debate is only too

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well aware that you haven't learned from

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your mistakes I'm listening to the same

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kind of orientalist clap trap that I

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could have had at any time in the last

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few decades we had a young woman up here

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saying we needed to educate if I may

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finish my point no your Point's finished

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we

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somebody actually came here in Oxford

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and said we need to educate the Iraqis

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the Iraqis were teaching algebra when we

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were painting our faces blue and living

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in the forest you think you need to

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educate here like

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this

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really

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really where you going to educate them

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in military

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skills we're not so good at that anymore

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the queen doesn't have enough soldiers

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we ran away from bazra Under Fire

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whipped the United States withdrew from

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Iraq beaten by the resistance of the

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Iraqi people we're running out of

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Afghanistan and we be very lucky if it's

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only the Taliban that come back to Power

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because competing against the Taliban is

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Isis the Taliban of the

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moderates in the fight that's about to

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ensue so the West is a military failure

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with all respect to the honorable and

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Gallant officers here present this

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evening and where's all this money

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coming from where's all the soldiers

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coming how many of you going to put a

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tin hat on and go and fight in Syria not

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many I'll warrant but where's the money

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coming from we can't keep our old age

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pensioners warm in the winter time but

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you want to go around the world setting

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fire to other people's countries over

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and over again and even go back to the

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same countries and set fire to them

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again I never heard such ridiculous

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nonsense let's deal with our own

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problems let's deal with the problems of

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our own

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people if ISIS come here we'll kill them

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and by the way the Iraqi Army have

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liberated takit

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have liberated ramadi will liberate moso

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let's give them every support no doubt

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but they don't need Tommy Atkins and his

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gun to appear there and do it from for

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them and I've got news for you the

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Syrian Arab Army a mainly Sunni Army is

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winning the war in Syria it will soon be

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over Isis and Al-Qaeda will soon be

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defeated and the last thing they bloody

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well need is you lot turning

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up I thank the guest for his speech I

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now