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now regular viewers of the daily

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politics may have watched this on

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Wednesday lunchtime George Galloway

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following following never following

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yesterday's announcement never here will

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the Prime Minister Adam Bri for the

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house the key

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differences between the hand chopping

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throat cutting

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jihadists fighting the dictatorship in

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Mali that we are now to help to kill and

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the equally bloodthirsty jihadists that

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we are giving money material political

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and diplomatic support to in Syria has

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the Prime Minister read Frankenstein and

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did he read it to the

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end well some things come and go but

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there is one thing that is certain

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wherever there is a brutal Arab dictator

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in the world he'll have the support of

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The Honorable gentleman

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now that was David Cameron's response it

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caused a little bit of an upset actually

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some viewers to our program thought it

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was a tad rout uh we tried to get Adam

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bra Mr Adam bra to join us today but he

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was unavailable instead we have the

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respect MP George Gallow he's the man

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who asked the question he's got the same

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excellent suit and waist coat but not

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the tie I lost the tie I only IID

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morning dress now when you asked that

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question did did you not think that that

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that you were opening yourself to that

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the response that you got well not from

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that particular pot to call this kettle

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black when he promptly flew off to pose

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for pictures with the dictator of

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Algeria and is busily selling as many

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weapons as he can to every brutal Arab

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dictator that will pay uh no but in any

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case vulgar abuse uh does not an answer

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make and what your viewers have been

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saying to you

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uh is of a par with what's being said to

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me that actually that's quite an

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interesting question I wonder what the

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answer is David camon certainly didn't

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give it I mean he certainly I mean as

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all Western governments are vulnerable

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to having supported Arab dictators um

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but I guess people could say is well

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you've got your dictators and he's got

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his dictators well the British state is

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in the front of uh marketing weapons and

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giving diplomatic and political support

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both to to brutal Arab dictators and

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jihadists in Syria and I was merely

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asking is it a case of good al-Qaeda in

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Syria and bad al-Qaeda in Mali because

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of course we've been down this road

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before you and I perhaps uniquely on

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this platform are old enough to remember

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when we used to hail and arm and finance

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other jihadists who later became

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al-Qaeda in Afghanistan in the 1980s

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that's the question not uh my views on

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this or that Arab government but whether

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the British State should be doing this

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let me just unpeel a bit the uh the

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jihadists in Mali in Northern Mali and

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those who are fighting the government in

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Syria at the moment it seems pretty

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clear that the jihadists had taken

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control of a movement in Northern uh

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Mali which had originally been for

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autonomy it was the teg tribals and so

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on but they taking control and were

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heading south they were calling the

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shots by them even the two AR tribesman

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admit that there is no doubt the yadis

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are part of the uprising in Syria but

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they're not in any means in control well

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the New York Times thinks they are uh

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and the state department talked nearly a

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year ago about the flicker of al-Qaeda

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which has now become a flame uh the even

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that doesn't mean them in control indeed

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they've been attacked by the people who

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who are at the top of the Insurgency at

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the moment well those chaps that you see

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on the news every night especially if

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you watch

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uh chanting Allahu abbar and uh lining

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up prisoners to cut their heads off

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indeed videoing themselves cutting

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people's heads off sound pretty

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dangerous to me and I just think it's uh

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a Frankenstein monster that's being

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created was created in the80s in

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Afghanistan and if you have read as you

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will have written by a scotswoman Mary

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shell Frankenstein's monster the modern

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promethus you'll know that it's called a

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monster because you can't control it

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once you've built it and theer is not

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called Frankenstein either no inde

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uh does this then lead you to support

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Assad no I don't support either the

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jihadists or Assad you seem very simp I

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mean I'm not going to look through it

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all but the our research teams come up

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with plenty of quotes with you being

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pretty friendly to mrad and pretty

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friendly to the dictatorship of Syria

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well from the that's from 2005 I think

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you you quoted these things at me again

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that's at the time he was riding around

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in a carriage with the Queen up the mile

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and sleeping in her spare room no I

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support coffe Anan a spare room I just

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want to one ofare rooms want to check

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that it was a spare room well I support

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kofan Nan's plan to have a negotiated

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transition to democracy in Syria I just

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don't think it's wise to be paying and

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arming and bringing in Legions of throat

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Cutters and hand Choppers into Syria a

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country you know is a very complicated

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one with lots of religious and ethnic

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minorities and in strategically very

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explosive place but what do you make

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then of your uh I'll be provocative for

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a change of your mates in Iran sending

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Assad all the support well we're sending

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the enemies of Assad support and Russia

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we Britain uh Britain and its American

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uh Master well we're not sending any

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arms or weapons to we're giving them

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money if you give them money you're

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giving them arms they can do they can do

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with the money what they what they like

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but you're not dis but but the the

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Iranians are sending serious weapons and

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even revolutionary guards have been sent

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there well you know serious weapons

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won't do Assad any good you're fighting

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in the streets hand to hand with these

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jihadists serious we keep saying I and I

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I understand I'm not arguing with you

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that there aren't jihadists involved in

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the struggle against Assad but I think

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you have to admit that they are not the

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leaders in this or even the majority of

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the uprising I don't accept that at all

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you're right if you say that they're not

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all jihadists the Syrian people had

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plenty to revolt about Syrian people had

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plenty to rise up about and they had the

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same right to do so as any people in the

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world have the right to but no one who

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seriously studies this is in any doubt

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that the fighting is being done by

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Foreign jihadists in the main and they

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will inherit the power the people who uh

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do the fighting are the people who come

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to power and it's wise of you not to

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dispute That central point because the

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time will come if they win when we'll be

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sitting here talking about their latest

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atrocity perhaps across the border in

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the UK and Us's favorite country Israel

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you uh were pretty Keen after you won

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your byelection of calling it The

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Bradford spring you seem a bit less keen

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on the Arab Spring no I'm absolutely

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behind the Arab Spring the difference

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between me and the government is I've

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been calling for it for the last 35

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Springs I've been asking and calling for

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revolution in the Arab world always and

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it's a messy business you can't make

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omelets without out breaking eggs so how

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would you describe its progress so far

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say in Egypt or Libya in Egypt it's not

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going well in Tunisia it's going better

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in Libya it's a thoroughgoing disaster

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you think is a disaster in liya and this

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is a classic case we hated Gaddafi then

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we loved Gaddafi then we uh delivered uh

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the jihadists to Gaddafi to be tortured

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then we backed those jihadists to

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overthrow Gaddafi and now those

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jihadists have killed the American

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American ambassador in Benghazi and

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we've just evacuated all our people uh

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from there will you be happy when Mr

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Assad goes yes I think the people of

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Syria need to choose a a ruler who's not

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part of the same family as the the

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dynasty that they've had for 40 years

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there I think we need democracy in Syria

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and we need it in Saudi Arabia and we

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need it in all Arab countries but you

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don't get democracy by bombing countries

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from a far

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uh neither do you get it by interposing

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jihadists of the al-Qaeda stripe final

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question before I bring in a uh our

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guests have been listening patiently

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were the French right to intervene in

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Mali no uh they're the last people given

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their colonial history you know that

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Mali used to be called French Sudan sure

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uh and they looted Mali uh of as much as

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they could carry including the people of

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Mal the people of M seem to be rather

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happy to see them well some of them do

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the ones that the Western cameras I find

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uh to put on the news you think that's

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unrepresentative I do uh 90% of malians

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are Muslims you don't think the BBC

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would if someone said we don't want the

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French here you don't think we'd run

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that uh no because you're not seeking

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out the and neither are they coming

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forward I have no doubt uh it's not a

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good time to come forward if the French

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hadn't intervened it was quite clear

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that they were going to take the Hall of

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Mali the you had the the the throat

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cutting hand chopping you had us that

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you were complaining about I don't think

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that's necessarily true because as you

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rightly said it's much more complicated

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than that the tware people have uh

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legitimate demands that they've been

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making for decades long before Al-Qaeda

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ever existed but but uh the the the

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point is Andrew that these uh these uh

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the government of Mali is a military

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dictatorship we're backing the military

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dictatorship no it's an ugly baby

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contest people are against it and we'll

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see what happens and when terrible

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things start happening don't say you

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wen't warned well that's the TR isn't it

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because no matter if you try and

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understand the situation it entirely

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depends how far back in history you go

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as to where you think allegiances should

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be and it becomes more and more complex

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I mean what what would be the right

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thing for the government to do our

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government to do well I'm not sure that

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Mali is something that ought to be

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occupying our government at the moment

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our economy it had to occupy our

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government because that happened it's a

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far away country in North Africa it

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contains no threat to us whatsoever we

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have have no historical relationship

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with it whatsoever and we're broke we

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can't we can't keep our pensioners warm

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in the winter time but we're ready to

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help France set fire to Mali just

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doesn't compute and are we really go I

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wouldn't give my son's life in Mali and

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I know that you wouldn't either but

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we're expecting other people to send

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their children to go there and fight

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yeah the difficulty here is the complex

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issues and um we we we view it all with

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hadn't gone in 10 years ago um and and

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my my question to you would be well do

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we just sit and do nothing there are

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people suffering in in Syria I think we

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probably would go in if we thought it

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was a safe uh thing to do and we had we

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had the money we had the money in the

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stomach for it we don't have TOA do we

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there are bad things happen all over the

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world we are a small country of 65

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million off the northwest coast of

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Europe that is virtually bankrupt in

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triple dip recession it would be better

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if the British government concentrated

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on fixing our own problems here at home