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welcome back to power in politics after

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a controversial year and a half long

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delay outspoken former british mp george

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galloway

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is here in canada as we speak mr

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galloway is in canada as part of his

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cross-country speaking tour it's called

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free palestine free afghanistan free

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speech now remember he was barred from

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entering canada in march

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of last year why was george galloway

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considered such a threat let me show you

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the hot sheet on them

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the former labor party mp was thrown out

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of caucus back in

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2003 for his opposition to the iraq war

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in 2005 he regained his seat as an mp

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for the respect party in march of 2009

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he was banned from canada following

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claims he offered financial support to

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hamas and that's a terrorist group

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according to canada and called a threat

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to national security last september a

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federal court dismissed the case saying

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the government acted politically to

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suppress his opinions

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right now george galloway is gearing up

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for a sold out speech tonight at york

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university in toronto was the ban

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against an attack on free speech in

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canada spearheaded by the minister of

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immigration jason kennedy kenny rather

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are his political views so dangerous

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that they should be suppressed and what

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what does he actually think we should do

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as he'll speak about tonight about the

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war in afghanistan joining me now is

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george galloway mr galloway thanks for

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being here welcome your tour once banned

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now on is called free palestine free

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afghanistan free speech

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give us an idea obviously you tried to

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come to canada before you weren't

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allowed and now you're back what will

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you be talking about well as i was

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saying before i was rudely interrupted

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18 months ago

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i'll be talking about the foreign policy

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of canada how i believe that it's not

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helpful to the conflicts in the world

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and certainly not helpful to the

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interests of canada

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inevitably we'll spend a fair bit of

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time talking about the fact that i was

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rudely interrupted on a wholly

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fictitious basis an abusive process by

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the government of canada which they were

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judicially caned for in a 50 60 page

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judgment uh which is why i'm back here

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and now but the much more important

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issues of course are the the war in

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afghanistan and the war which is i'm

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afraid getting ready to break out in the

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middle east and the

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things we need to do to try to bring the

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first to an end and avoid the second

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all right let's deal with a couple of

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issues first let's deal with your

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personal situation and i want to come

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back to afghanistan in the palestine

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israel situation first you know

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uh jason kennedy the minister of

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immigration didn't want you here uh and

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some people have said uh bernie farber

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the ceo of the canadian jewish congress

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have said look you're welcome to come to

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canada if you don't break canadian laws

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and one of the laws is you cannot

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support what canada deems a terrorist

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group which is hamas they have said

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you've supported them and then you may

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in fact be coming to canada to raise

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money for

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support for that group can you can you

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will you be raising money to support

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hamas

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no and i never have and mr faber knows

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very well that all of that is

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fiction i'm not a supporter of hamas

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i've never been a supporter of hamas

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i've never fundraised for hamas and i'm

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not fundraising for anybody

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on this trip and neither would i have

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been if i'd been here 18 months ago what

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i have fundraised for in the past is to

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bring relief to the people who are

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in gaza now for four years

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to punish them and their parents for how

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they voted in a free and fair election

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the only free and fair election has ever

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been in any arab country ever and that's

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just immoral to starve people's children

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to punish them because their parents

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voted a way we didn't like i didn't like

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i was disappointed that hamas won the

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election but they did win it all i say

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is that we have to talk to

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uh hamas and i've got news for the

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canadian people if they didn't already

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know it

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we already are the british already are

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the americans already are and the day

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will come and pretty soon much sooner

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perhaps than people think when everyone

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will be talking to hamas because as we

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found in the north of ireland you can't

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possibly bring conflict to an end

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without talking to the people who are

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engaged in the conflict and that's

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precisely of course what we're now doing

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in afghanistan not before time you might

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i'm just you know the foreign minister

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has said george galloway is considered

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persona non grata you're not allowed to

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through egypt to get to gaza you've said

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that you would give your goods to the

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leadership of hamas because they're

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democratically elected so is that neces

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does that qualify as dealing with hamas

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or supporting hamas you're giving them

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their supplies

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that's the question here well

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it would depend what the supplies uh

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were wouldn't it uh if you're giving

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somebody ambulances and wheelchairs and

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medicine and children's uh milk and

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teddy bears and so on it's bankrupting

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the word terrorism of its meaning in the

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to describe such a thing as

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terrorism moreover every ngo in the

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world including canada has to deal with

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the political power that is in gaza has

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to deal with the minister of health in

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gaza for example who is a member of

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hamas that's because they won the

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election there so i mean it's all

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throwing sand in the eyes evan i mean

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it's all an attempt to confuse and

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divert attention from the real issue

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which is that a million point six

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have been starving in a siege which is

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and which is condemned by all

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international organizations

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with the notable exception of mr

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harper's government here and it's an

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attempt to divert attention from the

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need urgently to bring that siege to an

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end not least because it's all based on

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punishing people because of how they

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voted yeah i mean and that is certainly

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one of the the idea of collective

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punishment versus

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tagging hamas as a terrorist

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organization let me ask you a question

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do you agree that they canada calls

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hamas a terrorist organization would

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george galloway call them a terrorist

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no which is not to say that they haven't

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committed terrorist acts just like the

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african national congress when it was

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led by nelson mandela could not be

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though apartheid and its supporters in

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the world

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organization but it was clearly not

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which is not to say that they had not

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ever committed terrorist acts they had

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just put a full stop after the uh

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reference to terrorism misses the point

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a settlement in south africa required

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negotiation with the african national

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congress but is it

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but is that a parallel between uh

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ireland or south africa when you've got

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there's clearly two kinds of leadership

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negotiate with one side fatah but not

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the other hamas for the simple reason

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that hamas has a charter that says they

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don't have any desire to make peace with

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well so does the plo which i've

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supported all my life i am a supporter

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and believe me i could show you my scars

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of the decades i spent urging people to

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talk to fatah and their leader yasser

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arafat and being told that they would

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not do so because they were terrorists

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so this is a movable feast that's my

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point this is a snapshot in time

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negotiated as a member of parliament

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with leaders of sinn fein in the north

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of ireland newspapers like the sun

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denounced me as a terrorist but now

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jerry adams and martin mcguinness are in

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and out of the white house

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as fast as you can say jack robinson and

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that's the way things are in politics

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but it is true but you know you have

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look you're not without controversy

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you've been at the side of saddam

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hussein you've been at the side of tariq

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aziz who's now under a death penalty in

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iraq you've been

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you've been associated with some figures

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here that do not have a very good human

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rights record george galloway

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well there are lots of people of course

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who don't have a very good human rights

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record one of them down the road george

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w bush has just published a memoir

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boasting about it i believe that you

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have to deal with the people who are in

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government in any particular theater any

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particular time because i believe that

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that's how international relations

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operate tarik aziz i'm happy to talk to

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you about as a roman catholic myself i

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was very proud of the fact that he was

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the only christian politician in any

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position of power in any arab country

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arab countries nearby you get sent to

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prison maybe even get lashed in public

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for going to mass but a roman catholic

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was the deputy leader of iraq look

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during a time of mass human rights uh

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abuses though you admit it well well

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well this is the point i'm making to you

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that david cameron just led a huge

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delegation to china

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nice to the chinese leadership all in

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the interests of doing business and all

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in the interest of doing business not

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just of a commercial nature but a

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political nature the power in china is

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communist party of china so when you

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meet the leader of the communist party

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of china you really have to call him sir

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you really have to call him mr president

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there isn't any other way you can

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conduct international relations george

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galloway i i want to get your view on

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a couple things we know nato is holding

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a summit in lisbon and portugal that

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will be a part of the ongoing for the

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mission in afghanistan canada now is

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saying it will continue post 2011 in a

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training non-combat role in afghanistan

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towards 2014. you're you've opposed

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these wars what's your view on this

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well of course it's purely a canadian

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matter whether or not you extend your

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mission or not it's not really my

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business but i just wonder if the

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canadian people ever ask themselves how

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come these afghans need so much training

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that's 10 years they've been being

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trained nobody's training the taliban

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and they seem to be doing pretty well on

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the battlefield and i wonder if they

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ever ask themselves if this rubric

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training is a bit of a cover for

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something else a bit of a cover for

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continuing to have uh one foot uh in the

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more of that battlefield and i think

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that's a very big mistake for my own

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country follows that i think it's a

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mistake for yours i don't think that

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you'll be out

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by the time that you said you'll be out

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and you've now postponed it three times

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and i don't believe that your soldiers

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will be safe because i don't think

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anybody's safe in afghanistan it would

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be better by far instead of sending more

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and more soldiers whether you call them

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trainers or fighters

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to actually negotiate the terms of a

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withdrawal from afghanistan and those

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terms are available available though the

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same terms that have always been

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available and the other terms that we

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will eventually leave afghanistan under

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all right two real quick things um will

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you take your speaking tour to calgary

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to jason kenney's office you famously

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challenged him to a five-round boxing

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match and or a debate will you be going

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to jason kenney the minister who

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refused to let you in

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originally yes because i'll tell you why

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not because i want to interfere in

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internal politics in canada i don't but

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he hasn't accounted for

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the fact that he said

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several things in public that the court

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found to be untrue

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and

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he behaved in a way which misled the

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canadian people and parliament in a way

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which i must tell you in most

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democracies in the world no minister

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would have survived with their portfolio

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intact following a judicial caning like

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the one he got from justice mosley

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are you thinking of a lawsuit george

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galloway

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yes uh my lawyers here barbara jackman

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and her colleagues are working on a

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series of different areas where i think

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canadian law has been breached