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so once again a British government is

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gearing up uh to extend military action

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in the Middle East it's a Well trod Road

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and the outcome has not always been

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predictable or Pleasant which is why so

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many are hesitant Ellie price has been

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looking at the prime minister's case for

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action and what role the UK military

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play that bomb in Paris that could have

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been London if they had their way it

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would be London I can't stand here and

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say we're safe from all these threats

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we're not I can't stand here either and

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say that we will remove the threat

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through the action that we take but do I

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stand here with advice behind me that

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taking action will degrade and reduce

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that threat over time absolutely and

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I've examined my conscience and that's

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what it's telling

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me David Cameron says he no longer wants

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to Outsource this sort of action to his

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allies Britain is currently involved in

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air strikes against so-called Islamic

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State but only Ira shown here in the

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bottom half of this shot the border for

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British forces at least is

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crucial is Isis dases whatever you want

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to call it control or is free to operate

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in sways of territory in Iraq and Syria

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it so-called caliphate stretches from

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Aleppo in Syria to the outskirts of

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Baghdad in Iraq the lines on the map are

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relatively fluid it recently lost

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that was down to Kurdish forces with the

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help of us-led air strikes currently

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Australia Canada and France are also

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flying bombing missions over both

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is according to the latest figures

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released on Friday the US and its allies

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operating under the banner of operation

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inherent resolve have conducted more

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than 8 and a half thousand air strikes

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against Islamic State targets since the

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start of the campaign last year that's

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2,925 in Syria more than 16,000 targets

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have been damaged or destroyed including

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buildings nearly 5,000 fighting

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positions and 485 tanks and military

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vehicles the vast majority have come

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from US aircraft but the RAF has run 376

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Iraq they've been launched from this

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base in Cyprus where Britain has eight

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RAF tadoes the base has also been used

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to carry out refueling and surveillance

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missions over Syria the perception out

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there is the question as to whether or

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not the UK should be involved in the

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campaign in Syria or not the reality is

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we are involved in that campaign but in

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an inconsistent and very hard uh way to

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understand other countries our allies

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the Americans and the French in

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particular just don't quite understand

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where we're up to the PM insists the ra

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can provide specific skills that

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most of the ability to launch highly

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accurate Brimstone missiles we are very

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good at not killing people collaterally

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at the UK so in that sense I think us

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moving to Syria is good the sad thing is

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no matter how good you are there will be

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people innocent people killed but they

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though that sort of thing happens that

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cannot be a reason not to destroy ISO

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strikes in Syria but its support of

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President Assad's regime puts it at odds

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allies the scale of these tensions

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demonstrated when turkey which vly

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week most experts agree that air strikes

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alone will not destroy the common enemy

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of is the grand forces will be needed

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Now by George Galloway welcome back to

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the program Islamic state has used its

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bases in Iraq Syria to launch terrorist

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attacks on Tunisia Paris beut Russian

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passenger Jed over the Cai desert and

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others what should be done to thwart it

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if not British bombing what should be

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done to hit it in its heartlands well

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most of these terrorist attacks were

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actually carried out by people who were

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living in the countries in which they

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operated Tunisia France Belgium and so

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on so you're not actually going to

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physically stop people by bombing raqa

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turning up on the streets of Paris but

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the planning and the logistics and so on

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involved Islamic State I doubt that you

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know there's not many Logistics involved

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in taking weapons into a nightclub and

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massacring unarmed defenseless people

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you just need a psychopathic mindset and

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the access to the weapons and there are

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many weapons in Europe nobody's

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suggesting these weapons came for

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example from Syria but I don't want to

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dodge your question I'm as uh strongly

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in favor of destroying Isis and Al-Qaeda

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as anybody else more than uh the Cameron

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government or they wouldn't be

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tolerating a situation where our friends

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turkey and Saudi Arabia have been

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supporting these people for years and

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until now are uh supporting them I just

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think I mean we we are steeped in blood

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so far but it is bloodier to go on I

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promise you so what would you do I would

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support the people who are fighting Isis

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the ground that is the governments of

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Iraq governments of the government of

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Syria the ypg militia in uh uh in the

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Kurdish area of Syria that your peace

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your package referred to give them

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weapons uh give them every kind of

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support that we can interdict the

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support that's going to them from Turkey

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and Saudi Arabia that's a far better way

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than us joining in do you support

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Russian attacks on the anti-assad forces

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in Syria I do if the uh as they are

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government's Army because then the

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territory is taken by the Syrian Arab

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which five years uh British attacks on

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is forces in Iraq at the request of the

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Iraq government I do and if they were as

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they are in Iraq coordinated with the

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government that makes sense militarily

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and if we coordinated our involvement in

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Syria with Russia and the Syrian

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government I'd support that too but it's

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government's real game is regime change

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before in Iraq and Libya and it all

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ended so disastrously that I'm against

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not a pacifist I I I've I've seen you

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say this and there is undoubtedly there

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was a time when Mr Cameron's first

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priority was to get rid of the Assad

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regime and of President Assad but isn't

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it clear to you now that Mr Cameron

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realized that defeating Islamic state is

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more important to Britain's National

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interest than getting rid of Mr Assad if

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it were you probably wouldn't have me on

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because I'd be supporting it but I don't

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believe that and I pray in Aid his

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utterly farcical claim in the house this

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week or last week uh that there were

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70,000 thousand moderate Rebels armed

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and ready to take over the land uh

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liberated by our you thought that was

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fantasy there's not 7,000 if there's 700

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to happen we'll bomb territory which

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will then be taken by other so-called

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moderate Fanatics the ones as I said to

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you before that only eat half your heart

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only half your head off should we now

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regard the Russians and the Assad regime

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Islamic State definitely and we had the

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chance after the uh Security Council

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decided unanimously a couple of Fridays

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ago we had that chance but that was

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incinerated by our Ally erdogan in his

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attack on the Russian Air Force bombing

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these people uh uh shot out of the sky

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provoking a crisis between East and West

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between NATO and uh and Russia which was

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completely unnecessary and completely

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contrary to any legitimate War aims

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could it not still be put together

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could I suspect that it won't Russia is

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turkey if we had time to discuss it I'd

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source of this problem the Turkish

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border has been open to these people

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they are selling their stolen oil

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billions of dollars worth the Islamic

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believe to relatives of erdogan uh which

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is then sold onwards to neighboring

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countries you can't be serious about

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fighting isil while your NATO Ally is

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openly collaborating with them that's

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why I suspect Cameron you follow very

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closely what is going on in the labor

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party at the moment does Mr Corbin have

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an alternative to a free vote when this

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enemies and they are as you rightly said

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intervention in the Middle East is so

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bad because the likelihood of it not

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going well is so high I would dare these

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Rebels to facilitate David Cameron's War

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wouldn't that rip the labor party apart

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apart this is 1931 Revisited this is

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government in terms of War and Peace at

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least so if I were Jeremy Corbin I would

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whip this vote and let the labor members

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uh pass verdict on those that troop into

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the lobby with Liam Fox and David

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Cameron because I'm pretty sure this is

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apart your Shadow cabinet too you would

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where there seems to be a majority

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against Mr Corbin's position some of

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Fidelity to the party in those

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circumstances but others might go but

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they are supporting the elected leader

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uh as the Rope supports the hanging man

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and a hanging man is exxi in the end

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what uh are the chances do you think Mr

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Corbin following your advice uh probably

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McDonald and uh and Ken Livingston that

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they're going to go for a free vote that

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will merely postpone the p and give Mr

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Cameron his big majority give him a big

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majority and it will postpone only the

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pooch against Corbin seems to me time to

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face that up George Gallow thank you for

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being with us air strikes alone will not

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be effective they've got to be in

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coordination with credible Ground Forces

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now the suggestion that there are

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70,000 non-islamist moderate credible

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Ground Forces I have to say is a

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revelation to me and I suspect most

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other members in this house