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I'm not responsible for his actions

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never suggested you were I simply wanted

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to compare and contrast Saddam the most

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important point because you didn't let

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me finish it I am responsible for the

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actions of my own prime minister I am

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responsible for the actions of my own

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country Saddam Hussein committed many

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crimes I was demonstrating against them

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at the time when British and American

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governments were making sure that he

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could carry out those crimes giving him

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the wherewithal to carry out those

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crimes but I have no responsibility as a

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citizen as a voter as a member of

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parliament for things that a dictator

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does in Iraq but I have every

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responsibility for the things that a

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democratically elected prime minister in

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my own country does that's why I would

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refuse to shake the hands of Tony Blair

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I think he should be on trial in in at

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the he uh the kind of trial he didn't

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allow Saddam Hussein a trial under the

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international criminal court on the

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crime of unleashing aggressive War the

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ultimate War crime let me ask you this I

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you proud to be

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British being British is an accident of

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birth you know if if you'll forgive me

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that's just the patriotism which Dr

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Johnson called the last Refuge of the

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scoundrel I'm proud of many things that

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British people have done and ashamed of

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others I'm proud of uh many things that

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French people have done and would be

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ashamed of others I'm a human being I'm

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a Believer in God I'm a European person

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I'm a Scottish person of Irish

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background who lives in Britain but all

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of these things were accidents of birth

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so uh frankly uh my uh my country uh as

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I say in my book uh I'm not the only one

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my country is the Future Tony Blair you

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see he he believes that Britain can and

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must be a force for moral good in the

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world that's what he says and he says

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that's going to take a mix of soft power

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and hard military power as well says the

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21st century must see Britain continue

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to use that mix of soft and hard power

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to achieve good to work toward stability

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security democracy for the world well a

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fat lot of good it's done but what I

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want you to think about is this you

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opposed him on Iraq you've made that

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very plain today but do you see no

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circumstance where British intervention

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can be a force for moral good no I don't

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uh the only Force for moral good would

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be an internationally agreed one the

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idea that the world is a White Man's

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Burden and only Uncle Sam and Johnny

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bull are quite white enough to shoulder

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it is a deeply offensive one I come as I

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told you from an Irish background once I

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told my grandfather who was Irish that

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the police had said the British had an

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Empire so vast that on it the Sun never

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set my grandfather answered that's

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because God would never trust the

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British in the dark so hundreds of

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thousands de sorry to interrupt but

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hundreds of thousands dead in darur

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millions displaced and you still say

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there can be no circumstance in which

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the British can play a force nobody let

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alone God gave Britain the the the the

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uh um Power or the justification for

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launching unilateral military Adventures

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apart from being immoral they don't work

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because we are a small countryes would

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you

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accept but if they were in I just want

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to see how far you go in your opposition

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I don't know how long you've got but I

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do argue in my book that the first area

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which has to be tackled in relation to

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intervention from outside is a regional

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one I believe the African Union should

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be empowered and given the wherewithal

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neither of which has properly happened

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to help resolve a problem in a part of

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Sudan because Sudan is an African

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country there may come circumstances in

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which an international agreement will be

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reached between the powers to intervene

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where a regional organization like the

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EU or the Au cannot do so the one thing

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that can never be tolerable is

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anglo-american aggressive War being

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Unleashed not only without international

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support but against International

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legitimacy I think that message is loud

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and clear let I've got several other

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things to cover not much time there are

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people who believe that your party

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respect has become a Haven for extremist

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in particular some Muslim extremists

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what's your response to that well the

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opposite is true the Muslim extremists

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hate us because we say to Young Muslims

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we know that you're angry your right to

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be angry the best way to be angry is not

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blowing yourself and other innocent

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people up on a bus or a train but to

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join with non-muslims who are also angry

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and make those people who have made us

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all Angry pay for it democratically and

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politically that's why the Muslims hate

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us it's also why Mr Blair hates us after

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Tony Blair do you see a possible route

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back into the labor party uh no I think

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that uh Mr Brown and Mr Blair are not

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going to be all that uh different I am

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the uh originator of the phrase that

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they are two cheeks of the same

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backside uh but nobody can ever say

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never if labor were to change its

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leadership change its direction withdraw

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from Iraq and so on and become a labor

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party again everybody in the country

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would have to evalue everyone on the

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left would have to reevaluate their

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relationship to labor but I think the

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chances of that are vanishingly small do

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you see a labor party leader in the

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offing who could deliver what you want

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to see I kind of don't don't I think the

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only one that could have fell off a

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Scottish Mountain uh a year ago past

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August and that was Robin Cook um I

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don't think that anyone in the current

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ranks of the labor party uh would even

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be a John Smith uh labor man and you've

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said that you won't stand again for

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respect does does that mean you're

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leaving your parliamentary political

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career behind with a a sense of

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frustration disappointment failure well

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for the reasons I've repeatedly said

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here there's not much point in sitting

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in the House of Commons as a one-man

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party you'd be as well on the road

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trying to persuade the public to make

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your party much bigger and that's what

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I'll be doing I did say before the last

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election that I wouldn't stand again and

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I'm not going to go back on that I might

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stand somewhere else I might stand for

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something else I had a go for the

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European Parliament last time I did

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really well in the pan London

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constituency and I might have another go

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for that but I might just spend my time

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talking to people through programs like

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yours George Galloway thanks very much

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for being on hard talk

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