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Welcome to Kali Mahorra with me George

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Galloway on Almadine television coming

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to you from London but discussing the

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Middle East in particular the role of

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Israel and its greater Israel project in

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the context of the collapsing security

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situation across the Arab world. Now

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this is kali mahurra free word. Everyone

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of my distinguished studio audience will

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have theirs. You will have yours. I must

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have mine. I frankly think that the

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predisposition of people in the Arab

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world to blame others rather than

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themselves for the multiple problems

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that exist within the Arab area is a

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copout. is a means of escaping their own

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responsibility for it. And I've said

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this on Al-Myadin many, many times. That

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does not of course mean that Israel is

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not involved in the multiple conflicts

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in the Arab world. In fact, Israel is

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involved in every single one of them and

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in most of them in collaboration with

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Arab regimes. Arab regimes which have

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not yet been subject to any serious

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threat of overthrow by their own

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population and indeed Arab regimes that

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do contrary to what many of us would

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like to think enjoy largely popular

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support within their own countries.

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Certainly, there is no public rejection

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in Saudi Arabia of Saudi Arabia's

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increasingly

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ugly belly dance with Israel. There are,

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of course, many in Saudi Arabia that

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oppose that policy, but not nearly

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enough. Neither does this mean that

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Israel does not stand to gain indeed

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already has gained from the

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bulcanization the

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atomization of the Arab world. it stands

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to gain has gained very much indeed not

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just on the geopolitical level uh but

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even on the financial level the

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exploitation of Syria's resources in the

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Golan Heights for example but

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geopolitically Israel gains a very great

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deal from the idea that 23 Arab

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countries was not enough we needed more

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far more and we needed not countries but

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small Emirates, preferably Emirates

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based on confession, based on

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sectarianism, based on tribalism, based

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on city states like Libya where once we

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had one Libya, dysfunctional, very badly

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governed. Now we have, I've lost count

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of the number of Libyas, all based on

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city states and on local popular

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militia.

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Equally, Israel gains has gained from

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the increased

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fanaticization,

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Islamization in the Arab world. The idea

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that they can be a state of the Jews as

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they falsely claim is mirrored. If you

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can have a state of the Christians in

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other parts of the Arab world, a state

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of the Shiites, a state of the Sunnis, a

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state of this tribe or that uh uh

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faction or uh confession, they gain a

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very great deal from that because it

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vindicates, validates or would appear to

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their determination to splinter,

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atomize, bulcanize the Arab world. So

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far, many of my audience will be with

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me, but maybe not this far because, as I

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said in a celebrated exchange on this

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program, which now has more than 25

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million views on YouTube. None, none,

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none of this would be possible if the

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Arabs united and stood up against it. If

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the Arabs could find within themselves

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the ability to rise above tribe,

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confession, sect, religion, and see

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themselves as one people, at least set

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themselves on the road in the direction

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of being one people. Then they would be

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unstoppable. Then they would be a

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superpower that nobody in the world

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could ever ignore.

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That's not what they are now. As

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everyone knows, Israel's

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ideological basis has always been

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greater

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Israel. The very lines on its flag are

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supposed to

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delineate the uh Nile to the Euphrates

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concept of a greater Israel. That does

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not mean that Israel intends to govern

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from the Nile to the

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Euphrates. But why would they need to?

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Why would they need need to if they had

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governments that were acting in a way

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that served their interests and the

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interests of the imperial masters who

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brought Israel into being in the first

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place. The debate is on. As I said, I

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have an audience of experts, unusually

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expert, even on the high standards of

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this program. But every person here has

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the right to their free word.