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death of Vishel Morotra in 1981 and a

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notorious pedophile gang. Can't imagine

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historic abuse made against Labour Peer

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any wrongdoing. West Midland's police

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of Syria related terrorism offenses. The

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raids in Warsaw this morning. Health

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public places in Wales. Cancer Research

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experienced plaque unveiler. LBC weather

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this hour is a politician who's had a

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constituency. Uh yeah, but I have lived

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the suggestion that you're an alien that

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that that was your top priority. That

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suspicion that you just you just want

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power and you don't care where it comes

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job. And I told Sky News at some cost in

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is not any kind of surprise. Why do you

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want it? Well, I think that London, one

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needs leadership. And I didn't feel that

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declared uh was up to the job of

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rallying and uniting the great majority

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of Londoners who are not of course the

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people of the square mile. They're not

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the people that are dripping in gold

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that are to be found on red carpets

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outside in Leicester Square. They are

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increasingly millions of them pushed to

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pushed to the edge economically pushed

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work here and we need them to work here

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quite strong in. So you will be

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Rome to some extent in New York, mayors

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that marginalized majority, speaking for

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the 99 rather than the 1%. Uh, of course

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you've got to uh have ideas on housing,

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on transport, on policing, on economic

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powers, on culture and so on. But we

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we'll get on to those. You mentioned

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leadership. What are your leadership

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credentials? Well, I've been elected six

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times to parliament, as you said, in

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countries, Scotland and England. I have

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movement in the run-up to the You didn't

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leadership credentials. George, you

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didn't lead the anti-war movement. I was

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and I'm the the the vice president of

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the stop. There you go. The vice

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president. What's the definition of not

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being the leader in terms of what you

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have taken personal responsibility for?

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running a a political party that you set

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credentials, but they're not. So, I'm

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telling you about my leadership

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credentials. And uh a lot of people uh

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recognize them. That's why I'm here.

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lead movements of people. And that's

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what I'm trying to do here. lead a

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the prevailing orthodoxy that London is

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run by and for the elite. And you've

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your mayor, he's definitely the best one

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a part of the elite. And I'm speaking

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depends how you define elite, doesn't

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it? You mention a career politician is

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other. Well, I think that all the

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candidates are politicians. Uh people

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will choose what kind of politician. I

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think even my worst critic and I'm

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remind people of the number if you're

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listening. George Galloway's worst

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is they acknowledge that I'm not like uh

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other politicians. If I had been, I

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of being expelled by Tony Blair over the

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Iraq war. I wouldn't have taken up

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causes that I did from my teens and

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stuck to them uh through thick and thin

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over many decades. Uh and I might have

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prospered in the in the political class.

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Uh but I didn't and I don't regret it.

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The situation in Bradford West, I just

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want to clarify. A few people are asking

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on Twitter. You you you you mentioned

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that you were going to challenge the

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result up there, but you did you miss

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the deadline? No. Uh there's a section

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106 uh complaint by us uh which the

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police are investigating

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uh and uh we better not go too deeply uh

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into that in the middle of a police

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investigation into it. But it's a very

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serious complaint. I believe that it

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will lead to the setting aside of the

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Bradford West uh result that will result

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in a bi-election. I will not be a

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candidate. I'm running for mayor of

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London. So, this is the only Yes. job on

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your to-do list at the moment. Um, you

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haven't properly addressed the the the

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suspicion, and I appreciate that you

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want to represent the 99% and you want

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to lead London into a into a brave new

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future, but but to talk about George

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widespread perception that you just sort

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of can't cope with not being in the

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spotlight, that that you need Well, I

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didn't ask you for a spot on this show.

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Matt. Yes, but I didn't ask. That's why

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you're here. Can you put me on the

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legendary James O'Brien show? You, the

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legendary pursued pursued me. So, if you

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think about it, that's partly why. Cuz I

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show so you could ask me why I'm on your

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show. No, I wanted to bring you on the

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show to ask you why you're running for

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mayor and whether there's any truth in

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the suggestions that that you need the

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oxygen of publicity. No, I have no need

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of the oxygen of publicity, but I am not

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short of it. I have no need of

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audiences. I have many on television.

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I'm currently negotiating a new radio

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show. Uh I'm making a film. I don't know

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that this is proof that you don't have a

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desire for the spotlight. No, that's my

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point. I'm not short of audience. I'm

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not short of spotlight. Uh but it's if

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you don't mind me saying so to a legend,

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it's a kind of a silly question. You ask

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me to come on your show to ask me why

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I'm on your show. No, but I didn't

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George I just I'm telling you what

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people think and a lot a lot of people

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think that it's more about George

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Galloway than it is spotlight then it is

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about the poly I'd like to find out

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whether they're right or not. I said you

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you should know this. You used to

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present a radio show yourself. Me a

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spotlight so you can establish whether I

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want a spotlight. No, I'm inviting you

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on I'm inviting you on to a radio show

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because you want to run for mayor and

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I'm examining your motivation for

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running for mayor and wondering how much

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vanity plays a part in that motivation.

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That's all. It's not complicated.

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Heaven. I'm not the first person to call

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you vain forend vanity. A politician

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with any vanity or evil. Well, the

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suggestions you've got even more than

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most. That's all I'm seeking to

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understand. And that will be reflected

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in the in the Do you think you do? No, I

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certainly don't think I do. But the

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That's where the nickname comes from,

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isn't it? Which nickname? The gorgeous

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George nickname, doesn't it? Come from a

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perception that you are quite vain. I

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don't see why it's a difficult question.

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No, I was quite handsome then. It was 40

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years ago. Uh I was quite handsome. I

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didn't give myself the nickname. No, but

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I'm talking about the perception of

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voters. You're supposed to care about

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that. Uh well, I'm running on my record

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and on my abilities and on the program

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I'll be putting forward. If people think

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that I'm doing it because I want to be

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in the spotlight, no doubt I'll not be

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able to count on their votes. I'll put

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them down as doubtful. I was hoping you

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might say something that would disprove

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them or or or disprove such a a charge,

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James. Well, that's what I'm asking you.

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No, how does one Well, you might list

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all of the things that you're desperate

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to do and would continue to be desperate

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to do even if you do that. You said

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we'll come on to that later. You're

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bogging us down on whether or not I'm

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seeking the spotlight. Well, you are

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seeking the spotlight. You've admitted

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that yourself. You've just said I've got

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lots of other spotlights as well. So,

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life is I have no shortage of

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spotlights. I don't need to run for

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mayor of London. That's my point. All

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right. So we will move on to why you are

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and the things that you seek to do for

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the city. Let's begin with one of the

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most crucial questions that any mayor of

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London will ever face. And then with

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respect, you'll have to put your

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headphones on for this George. With with

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respect, once we've dealt with this, we

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will not have any other mention of the

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issue. We'll come to Mo first, I think,

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after the travel news and um and and

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find out what it is you are going to do

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or try to do for the black cab drivers

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of the capital. The time is approaching

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quarter 11. Then we will move on to all

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the other areas of the city and life in

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the city that you feel you can improve.

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You're listening to Jose Bryant joined

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for the rest of this hour by George

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Galloway. You can of course get your

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question to him by dialing the usual

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number 034560973

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is the number you need. You can ask

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whatever you want. Whether you get an

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answer or not. Only time will tell. It's

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11:15.

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I'm Chris Gold in the LBC Travel Center.

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A couple of issues on the M25. Firstly

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on the Surrey stretch clockwise, one

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lane's blocked after a lorry broke down

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between Clacket Lane services and

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junction six for Godston. And then on

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the Essex stretch anticlockwise, there's

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a lane blocked on the exit slip road

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because of another lorry that's broken

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down that they're now trying to recover

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just at junction 31 for the Dartford

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River crossing. Now in central London in

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Ying A312, the Parkway that's closed in

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both directions. Long delays after an

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accident at the Willow Tree roundabouts

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causing delays back to the Oussie Garvin

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roundabout in Hayes and also North Hole

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station. On the train, Southeastern

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still have delays of around 40 minutes

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now between London Bridge and New Cross.

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That's because of a signaling issue and

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the Central Line still struggling as

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well with severe delays because of an

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earlier signal failure at Marble Arch

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closed. Keeping London moving and next

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with the Labour nod. Zach Goldsmith,

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who's thrown his hat into the ring

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representing the Conservatives and the

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unknown quantity, the the the third way,

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if you will, in next year's mayor

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election. Uh George Galloway, a Twitter

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account known as Tortoise Watcher,

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George wants to know who will be funding

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your mayoral bid. The people. It'll be

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crowdfunded just like my Tony Blair film

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that's coming out soon. It will be

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crowdfunded. Uh the crowdfunding will be

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launched next week after the Mel launch

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in uh Conway Hall on Sunday night.

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So, you kind of don't know how much

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you're going to have to play with until

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people No, we're going to ask for a h

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100,000. We might get more. Uh would you

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take big donations off members of the

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elite? Uh depends on their motivation.

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As long as it was transparent and as

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long as they didn't expect anything in

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return, but I'm not expecting any. No,

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not at all. Not at all. Well, you never

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know. Phone lines are open. Uh Mo is in

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Houston. Mo, what's your question for

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George Galloway? Good morning, George.

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Morning to you.

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Uh basically George I've got uh uh a

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question for you regarding the uh black

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taxi trade. Um we are the best taxi

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trade in the world recognized times and

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times. We are facing at the moment a big

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problem with TfL. Um we are facing a

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biggest problem and corruption of these

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uh Uber taxes which is they trade in

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illegally

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um on the street of London. Uh basically

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I want to see and I want to know what is

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your vision on that. Well, I'll run Uber

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out of town if I can. Uh but the very

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first thing I would do as mayor is make

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sure that they obey the law and they

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obey the regulations that are laid down

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in the statute. And as you implied

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there, they're not. And TfL is not only

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not doing anything about that, they gave

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every impression that they're in bed

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with Uber. And that goes for the mayor.

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It also goes for that matter for David

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Cameron and David Cameron's close circle

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are deeply involved in Uber. But even if

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they weren't, the point is that Uber

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represents the kind of zero regulation,

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no red tape, every man is the competitor

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of every other man. There's no uh system

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in place for the protection of workers,

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the protection of the public and so on.

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And people say, I get it all the time on

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Twitter. Well, Uber is cheaper. Well, it

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depends what you mean by cheap. If

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you're in an accident in an underinsured

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CD saloon car driven by a an unregulated

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driver whose uh bonafiday as a person

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and as a driver are completely unknown,

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it won't seem so cheap. But they're not

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unregulated. Just just to clarify, you

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might you might find the regulation

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inadequate, but there's no suggestion

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that that that there's Well, the

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regulation that there is is not being

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applied. That's the That's a different

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accusation, isn't it? That's that's not

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Well, they're effectively unregulated if

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they're not being forced to obey the

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regul. Every major city in the world has

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has found Uber has met or most major

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cities in the world have managed to

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accommodate Uber. Why shouldn't London?

530
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Well, some have banned them, of course.

531
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Not many. Uh, no, but it's growing the

532
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number and uh I'll seek to ban them

533
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because I think that having lost our red

534
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telephone boxes and our red pillar box

535
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is now being owned by the king of

536
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Kuwait, we need to protect the black

537
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cabs. They're a part of our heritage.

538
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But that's an emotional argument and we

539
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need nothing wrong with a bit of uh

540
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emotion, James. London is London. You

541
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could turn the Tower of London into into

542
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a a block of luxury apartments and you

543
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could say that would be emotional to

544
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stand against it. But I do stand against

545
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it. And and and how well I think we'd

546
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all stand against that, George. Well, in

547
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ter in terms of due diligence, how how

548
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feasible is it to to run them out of

549
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town? Because it's a great campaigning

550
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phrase. Mo, you love the sound of that.

551
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Am I right? Yes, you are right. You see,

552
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so George knows what he's doing, but how

553
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plausible is it? How much research, how

554
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much work have you done to establish

555
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whether or not it's doable rather than

556
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just cheerable? Uh, but let me say, if

557
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you'll forgive me, I've always been with

558
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the Black Cabs. Long before I was

559
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running for mayor of London, as a talk

560
00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:53,679
show host, I was a cabby's favorite for

561
00:20:52,159 --> 00:20:55,840
many years. I bet you're not an honorary

562
00:20:53,679 --> 00:20:57,840
member of the LCDC, are you? Well, I had

563
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their uh their spokesman on my

564
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television just the other day. I got the

565
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badge. Save it. Good for you. Tell me

566
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about how feasible it is to run. And I

567
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am in touch with campaigners in the

568
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cities where they have been banned and I

569
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do have a plan for banning them. You'll

570
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forgive me if I don't give them prior

571
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warning of it, but let's say as a very

572
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first step, all the regulations they're

573
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currently breaking would be rigorously

574
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enforced by me, which would change the

575
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paradigm for a start. And I want to know

576
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why TFL are so soft on them. Every time

577
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the cab drivers go to the court on this

578
00:21:33,919 --> 00:21:38,159
subject, they're asked by the judge, why

579
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are you doing this? Why isn't the

580
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regulator doing it? Why isn't TfL doing

581
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it? And I think that most of the cabbies

582
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have got their suspicions about that.

583
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They think it's personal that it's

584
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corruption as such. I don't I think it's

585
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ideology. It's the ideology of absolute

586
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deregulation. Well, and and money. I

587
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mean, there's money to be made. There's

588
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no I don't think that's particularly

589
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political or controversial. The backers

590
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include Goldman Sachs. There's huge

591
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:08,720
amounts of cash to be 50 siphoned from

592
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the pockets of black cab drivers and and

593
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into the pockets of people who back

594
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outfits like Uber. Well, black cab

595
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drivers don't think you're going to have

596
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many enemies on this one, are you?

597
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Really? Well, I don't know. Black cabs

598
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pay tax. Their drivers pay tax. Uber

599
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:26,000
pays zero zero tax in Britain and yet

600
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hopes to build a monopoly in a city like

601
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London. It's ridiculous. Let's go to

602
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Johnny who's in Finchley. Johnny, what's

603
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:34,720
your question for George Galloway? Hello

604
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James. Hello, George. Always a delight

605
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to hear you talking. Thank you. As you

606
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know, um George, I'm Jewish

607
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and last year during the Israel Gaza

608
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conflict,

609
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it seemed that London Jews were exposed

610
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to a lot of anti-semitism.

611
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If that were to arise again, what

612
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protection would you afford for London

613
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Jews, seeing that a lot of them are also

614
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black cab drivers?

615
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I wasn't expecting that segue at the

616
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end, but it's a valid point. It's a

617
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valid point that you make. Um I I'll go

618
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a little further, Johnny, with your

619
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permission. George, you you called you

620
00:23:14,799 --> 00:23:19,360
called as as an MP up in Bradford to

621
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make the city an Israel free zone. Will

622
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will you be will you be doing that in

623
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London? No. Uh but because uh foreign

624
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policy is a matter for the parliament

625
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and the government and the London mayor

626
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is not the pope or the president or the

627
00:23:29,679 --> 00:23:34,080
foreign secretary. So no nor is the MP

628
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for Bradford West but he's a member of

629
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parliament which is a government. No but

630
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he's a member of parliament. He's

631
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entitled to fight for a government line.

632
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So you look I'm not going to No, I'm the

633
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:49,280
answer's clear. I'm not going to try and

634
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call for London to be an Israel free

635
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zone, but neither am I resiling from my

636
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:57,440
views, which are shared by millions in

637
00:23:54,159 --> 00:24:00,000
London, uh that the treatment of the

638
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Palestinian people over many decades,

639
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but last summer in Gaza in particular,

640
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:11,919
or most recently, was savage, was uh

641
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almost unbelievable. And the attitude of

642
00:24:11,919 --> 00:24:15,760
the British government and most of the

643
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,840
British media towards it was

644
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:20,799
reprehensible. But this has nothing

645
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whatsoever to do with an attitude

646
00:24:20,799 --> 00:24:28,159
towards Jews or Jewishness. Uh actually

647
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I think at least two-fifths of my

648
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closest uh circle are themselves Jews

649
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:36,640
and they have exactly the same attitude

650
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to the Palestine question as me. So this

651
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has nothing to do with Jews, nothing to

652
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:43,440
do with anti-semitism against which I

653
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:45,440
have stood all of my life as I've stood

654
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:49,600
against all kinds of racism. And

655
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anti-semitism is just a form of racism

656
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:55,440
though the most virulent, the most

657
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:58,000
deadly uh in our uh in our history. And

658
00:24:55,440 --> 00:25:01,440
as you know, to to try to separate

659
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support for Israel from Jewishness is in

660
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,200
in the hearts and minds of many of

661
00:25:03,279 --> 00:25:07,520
Israel's supporters rather harder to do

662
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:10,320
than you've you've just acknowledged. So

663
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:12,640
what will you say to or say for

664
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:15,679
Londoners who believe for perfectly

665
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:17,279
understandable religious, historical,

666
00:25:15,679 --> 00:25:19,360
cultural reasons that Israel is

667
00:25:17,279 --> 00:25:21,120
justified in doing almost anything she

668
00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:22,480
wants to protect her borders or to

669
00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:24,000
protect her future? What would you say

670
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,279
to Londoners who subscribe to that

671
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:28,400
school of thought? cuz you're a million

672
00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:31,279
miles apart. That they are wrong. Uh and

673
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:35,200
that the notion my country right or

674
00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:37,520
wrong is preposterous in any case. But

675
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:40,080
uh the notion that somebody else's

676
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:44,400
country right or wrong is even more

677
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:47,520
absurd. And most Jews in the world were

678
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:51,760
deeply uneasy about the events in Gaza

679
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:55,120
last summer. Some uh rallied to the

680
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:57,600
Israel flag, but most did not. And the

681
00:25:55,120 --> 00:26:00,799
demonstration that was called in support

682
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:02,799
of Netanyahu last summer was one of the

683
00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:05,520
smallest uh Jewish community

684
00:26:02,799 --> 00:26:07,520
demonstrations that London had seen uh

685
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:10,640
for many a year and perhaps ever

686
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:12,799
actually on the matter of Israel. So

687
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,960
look, I'm not fighting this election on

688
00:26:12,799 --> 00:26:16,880
Israel Palestine, but if anybody wants

689
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:19,120
to argue with me about the justice of

690
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:21,760
the Palestinian case, you'll find I'm

691
00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:23,520
quite a redoubtable uh arguer for

692
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,679
Palestine. I'm I'm sure we will.

693
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:28,480
Although Johnny alluded also to the fact

694
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that for for many um exponents of

695
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,799
anti-semitism. They don't really care

696
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,559
whether you are pro or anti-Israel. They

697
00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:36,080
care only that you're Jewish. and and

698
00:26:34,559 --> 00:26:38,000
that is something that a mayor of

699
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,360
London, if there were to be a flare up

700
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,120
in the Middle East, again, a mayor of

701
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:43,760
London would bear some responsibility

702
00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:46,080
for. Well, I I have uh supported, for

703
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:49,520
example, the Metropolitan Police

704
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:51,679
protection of uh Jewish schools and

705
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:54,720
synagogues and other uh community

706
00:26:51,679 --> 00:26:57,039
buildings. Uh on the record, I will

707
00:26:54,720 --> 00:27:00,240
support the protection of any religious

708
00:26:57,039 --> 00:27:03,600
minority in London against the bigots

709
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:07,520
and the the haters. And of course, the

710
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:10,720
same will be true of Jews. And the idea

711
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:13,440
that a support for the Palestinian cause

712
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:15,360
in any way conflates with the kind of

713
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,919
bigots that are about to try and march,

714
00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:20,000
for example, in uh I think it's in

715
00:27:17,919 --> 00:27:22,640
Hacknne. They've certainly been trying

716
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:24,720
in Hackne uh amongst the Hidic

717
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:27,039
communities there. I'll be there on the

718
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:29,279
streets with the Jewish community

719
00:27:27,039 --> 00:27:31,520
fighting them off if necessary. I hope

720
00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:33,279
it doesn't. Will you be welcome? Well,

721
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:36,240
whether I'm welcome or not, it's another

722
00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:39,840
matter. My conscience dictates that I

723
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:42,240
stand beside for square any minority

724
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:45,840
that's suffering discrimination of any

725
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:47,600
kind. Johnny, um, back to you. Sorry, I

726
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,880
I should have invited you to respond to

727
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,200
that. Are you encouraged by what you've

728
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:54,880
heard? Uh, I haven't really heard

729
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:57,440
anything because, um, last year I felt

730
00:27:54,880 --> 00:28:00,960
very threatened and I'm I'm 6' three and

731
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:03,760
I weigh over 200 pounds. Um I felt very

732
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:06,480
threatened on the streets and in fact my

733
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:09,440
daughter who at the time was 10 years

734
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:12,399
old and goes to a Jewish school um was

735
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:15,279
taken on an outing to Notting Hill Gate

736
00:28:12,399 --> 00:28:18,240
in and the class the the school outing

737
00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:21,760
rather it the class was split into four

738
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:25,120
or five groups of half a dozen each and

739
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:27,760
on three occasions within one hour my

740
00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:29,520
10-year-old daughter was sworn at for

741
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:32,480
being a Jew.

742
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,760
I I I need to ask I need to ask and I

743
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,279
may have misunderstood the thrust of

744
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,520
your inquiry here, but what's that got

745
00:28:35,279 --> 00:28:40,559
to do with George Galloway?

746
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:42,320
How he would protect Jews as a mayor if

747
00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:44,880
there was a flare up of anti-semitism in

748
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,799
London? Okay. Uh Johnny doesn't feel

749
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,240
you've provided an adequate answer. You

750
00:28:46,799 --> 00:28:50,159
you probably do. Would you do you want

751
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,240
to add anything else? uh just that the

752
00:28:50,159 --> 00:28:55,360
words Notting Hill Gate were uh

753
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:58,559
resonating uh for me because I was

754
00:28:55,360 --> 00:29:00,240
myself uh quite severely assaulted there

755
00:28:58,559 --> 00:29:02,720
last summer, last August, and

756
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:06,240
hospitalized by someone wearing an

757
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:08,480
Israel Defense Force uh military garb uh

758
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:11,520
who said in court when he was sentenced

759
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:15,440
to 16 months in jail that he did it for

760
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:18,720
Israel. So, uh, I'm utterly opposed to

761
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:21,440
violence, whether it is physical or

762
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:24,159
verbal. And violence, verbal violence

763
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:28,399
against a school girl in Notting Hill

764
00:29:24,159 --> 00:29:30,880
Gate is certainly, uh, outrageous, uh,

765
00:29:28,399 --> 00:29:34,720
and a little bit surprising, uh, I must

766
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:37,200
say. Uh, but the truth is there are

767
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:39,760
racists attacking all kinds of religious

768
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:42,480
minorities and attacking them in a very

769
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:45,840
serious way. and we must protect all our

770
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:48,240
minorities. My slogan is a London for

771
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:50,000
all and that certainly includes London's

772
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,279
Jewish communities. Uh Johnny, I I have

773
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,480
to go towards the news now. We're

774
00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:54,000
already a little late for it. Remember,

775
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,520
as I bid farewell to Johnny, it

776
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,039
potentially frees up a phone line for

777
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,799
you if you've been trying and failing to

778
00:29:57,039 --> 00:30:00,559
get through. Judicious use of redial is

779
00:29:58,799 --> 00:30:03,559
is ordinarily the best way to do it.

780
00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:03,559
034560973

781
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,720
is the number that you need. George will

782
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,000
be with us for another half an hour. So,

783
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:11,279
this time for you to get your question

784
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:14,720
or indeed your point to him before 12

785
00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:16,559
noon. The time now is 11:32.

786
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,640
Ellena No is here with the headlines.

787
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Conservative MP Zack Goldsmith has

788
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,000
announced he wants to join the running

789
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to become mayor of London after being

790
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,080
reelected as Richmond Park MP at the

791
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general election last month. He says he

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wants to consult his constituents first

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to get their permission to stand. James

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has been speaking to George Galloway who

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has already announced his intention to

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run for mayor. has given LBC his

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reaction to the announcement by Zack

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Goldmith. You're going to have a

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multi-billionaire trust fund child as

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your mayor. He's definitely the best one

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to uh have. Uh he's he's a good uh and

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honorable uh person, but he's undeniably

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a part of the elite, and I'm speaking

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for those that are not. The name HSBC

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could disappear from British high

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streets as the bank rebrands its UK

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retail operations. It's fueled

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also confirmed plans to cut up to 8,000

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Midlands police are holding three people

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on suspicion of terrorism offenses

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related to Syria. The two men and a

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woman who are all in their 20s were held

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in raids in Warsaw this morning. LBC

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weather mainly dry and breezy with sunny

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spells for London and the Southeast.

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Highs of 16 degrees. The chance of a few

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light showers across England and Wales,

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but staying mainly dry with some

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24 minutes to 12. You're listening to

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James O'Brien on LBC, joined this hour

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by the mayoral candidate George

913
00:34:55,919 --> 00:34:59,599
Galloway. Ju just to clarify, you'll be

914
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running as an independent, not as a No,

915
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I'll be running as the respect candidate

916
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,200
because we're going to run a slate for

917
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the London Assembly, too, to try and

918
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establish a foothold in that uh often

919
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body. Indeed, costs millions to run, but

920
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nobody knows anybody that's in it or

921
00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:17,440
anything that it does. Well, I I'd like

922
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to think LBC listeners are a little

923
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better equipped than perhaps the average

924
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punter with the workings of of the

925
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London Assembly, but your point stands.

926
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:26,480
Let me just steer you back if I may,

927
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:29,839
George Galloway, to the um events that

928
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:31,760
you mentioned of last summer when when

929
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you were assaulted in the street. Your

930
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:36,640
attacker did receive a 16month sentence

931
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,720
uh for well, you were punched, I think,

932
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10 times before

933
00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:43,119
a kung fu kick was administered towards

934
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,760
you. You you're you're a tough guy, but

935
00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:47,680
I sensed immediately after that when you

936
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:50,079
were talking about it that that that you

937
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,520
were genuinely very shaken by this. I

938
00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:53,040
was really shocked because it came out

939
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,520
of nowhere. You know, I'm a former

940
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:57,680
boxer. I like to think or I used to be

941
00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:00,400
able to I'm 60 now. I was 60 when the

942
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:03,200
assault happened uh that I can if I'm

943
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:05,680
faced with someone at least put up a a

944
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:09,520
fight. But when it comes literally out

945
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:11,440
of uh the blind spot uh and there's a

946
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,839
blow to your face before you even see

947
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:17,119
the person who is about to uh deliver

948
00:36:13,839 --> 00:36:20,240
it. Uh, and then you're lying on a on

949
00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:22,560
the pavement uh with your back uh

950
00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:27,680
already racked in pain and the person

951
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:30,640
then climbs on top of you and is really

952
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:33,520
if you'd had a knife I'd be dead. Uh,

953
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:36,320
and the sort of crazed look in his eyes

954
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:38,880
made me wonder if the knife was next.

955
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:42,640
So, it has uh shaken me. the the wounds

956
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:45,520
have uh healed but the psychological uh

957
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:47,440
um damage if you like is is there. Um I

958
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,839
I was subsequently attacked two more

959
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:52,320
times. So I was attacked three times in

960
00:36:49,839 --> 00:36:54,880
4 months. He got 16 months. The other

961
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:58,800
two uh who assaulted me one verbally,

962
00:36:54,880 --> 00:37:00,400
one physically uh got on the spot fines.

963
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:03,040
But the the last of those was on

964
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Christmas Eve in Winter Wonderland in

965
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:09,599
Hyde Park with a bodyguard sit standing

966
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:11,920
next to me and my three-year-old son uh

967
00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:13,520
holding my hand. You might ask yourself,

968
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:17,359
what kind of person would assault

969
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:22,240
someone in those circumstances on CCTV?

970
00:37:17,359 --> 00:37:24,720
Uh so um it just if you like butresses

971
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:27,280
my view that violence of this kind

972
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:28,960
political violence is completely and

973
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,560
utterly beyond the pale. We can't have

974
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it. You can't live in a free and

975
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:36,880
democratic country and permit political

976
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:38,800
violence of this kind. If um if we

977
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,480
approach that from the other angle and

978
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,920
and if you were seeking to explain it to

979
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,760
your son when he was a little older and

980
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,280
he asked why do these people hate you so

981
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,359
much, what would you say? How do you

982
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,760
rationalize that? Well, it's a very good

983
00:37:47,359 --> 00:37:51,760
question. Uh the

984
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:55,040
the nature of politics is divisive.

985
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:57,359
You're choosing A or B as a path or a

986
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:59,359
candidate and uh it's therefore

987
00:37:57,359 --> 00:38:00,960
divisive. The bigger the stakes, in this

988
00:37:59,359 --> 00:38:03,440
case, all these assaults were linked to

989
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:07,359
the Middle East, the stakes are very

990
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:11,040
high, the quarrel is very ancient and

991
00:38:07,359 --> 00:38:12,960
deep. Uh, and if you take a stand on one

992
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:15,760
side, uh, then you're going to make

993
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:17,359
enemies on the other side. And if you're

994
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,960
quite good at it, if you'll allow me to

995
00:38:17,359 --> 00:38:22,400
blow my own trumpet on that, of course.

996
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:25,359
I mean, the the re the reason why the

997
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:27,599
wildest supporters of Israel hate me so

998
00:38:25,359 --> 00:38:31,040
much is because I have been over decades

999
00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:32,960
quite a successful advocate of the case

1000
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against them.

1001
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,920
So have a lot of people. They don't get

1002
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,359
attacked in the street. So if I've

1003
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,880
understood you correctly, the people who

1004
00:38:37,359 --> 00:38:40,400
don't get attacked aren't as good as you

1005
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,800
are criticizing Israel. Well, they may

1006
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,640
not have been as forthright and they

1007
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:47,760
haven't, if you like, scored as many

1008
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:50,960
goals. I mean, I think that the uh the

1009
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:53,520
the wildest supporters of Israel uh

1010
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:55,760
reckon that I've been a part of a

1011
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:58,160
transformation in Britain. When I took

1012
00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:00,720
this cause up in 1975, you could have

1013
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:02,800
fitted all the supporters of the PLO

1014
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:05,119
into this studio. But now we're

1015
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millions. In fact, the great majority of

1016
00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:10,160
British people know that the Palestinian

1017
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:12,079
issue is central to conflicts in the

1018
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,480
Middle East and therefore in the world.

1019
00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:17,280
And I think they think that I have

1020
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:19,599
played a role, maybe an important one,

1021
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,920
in helping transform British public

1022
00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:24,400
opinion on that matter. And to people

1023
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:27,280
who think that that then leeches into

1024
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:29,040
anti-semitism, you say what? That it has

1025
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:31,520
nothing whatsoever to do with

1026
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:34,880
anti-semitism or Jewishness. We love

1027
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:37,119
Jews. We're against the political creed

1028
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:39,040
of Zionism. You, you know, you didn't

1029
00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:42,000
hate Russians because you were against

1030
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:43,839
the Soviet Union. you hated communism.

1031
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:47,359
You don't hate Jews because you're

1032
00:39:43,839 --> 00:39:49,760
against Zionism and the uh aparite state

1033
00:39:47,359 --> 00:39:51,520
of Israel. Mentioning the Middle East,

1034
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,480
let's go to Veno who's in Wsworth. Veno,

1035
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,079
what's your question for George

1036
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:57,119
Galloway?

1037
00:39:54,079 --> 00:40:00,079
Uh, hi George. Hi. Um, I've been

1038
00:39:57,119 --> 00:40:03,359
intrigued ever since I saw your picture

1039
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:06,480
in the papers uh with Saddam Hussein as

1040
00:40:03,359 --> 00:40:08,160
to the sort of discussions you had with

1041
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,599
him. You know, I don't think anybody's

1042
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,440
privy to it. if you don't know about it,

1043
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:13,760
but it was interesting. Would you be

1044
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,920
able to tell us at something at all?

1045
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:18,480
Well, I met him twice. Uh once very

1046
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:21,200
briefly in 1994

1047
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:23,599
and the second time for a much longer

1048
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:25,119
period about 90 minutes in August of

1049
00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:29,119
2002.

1050
00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:32,000
Uh so my uh my experience with them is

1051
00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:35,119
necessarily limited to those two

1052
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:38,560
occasions. Uh what I would say is this

1053
00:40:35,119 --> 00:40:40,800
that the great majority in Iraq wishes

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that Britain and America had not invaded

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and occupied their country because it

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was a country with many problems under

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00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:53,440
Saddam. It has far far more problems now

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00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:56,960
and worse for us those problems have

1059
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:59,280
cascaded uh around the world. So, um, my

1060
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:02,319
view, if that's what you're asking, is

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00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:04,720
that the invasion and occupation of Iraq

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00:41:02,319 --> 00:41:06,240
was a catastrophic error. I I I think he

1063
00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:07,599
possibly wasn't asking that, but you

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00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:08,880
know, correct me if I'm wrong. You just

1065
00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:12,880
wanted to know what they talked about,

1066
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:14,800
right? Well, I was interested to know. I

1067
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,319
think it was a more gossipy I think it

1068
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,160
was a more gossipy question than

1069
00:41:16,319 --> 00:41:19,680
political. What? And let me just throw

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00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,520
in one first of mine. Do you regret

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00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,880
saluting his courage and inddehatic

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00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:26,000
ability as you did? Because I mean, he

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00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:28,560
was a psychopath. Uh I I I I regret the

1074
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:31,040
fact that the editing of the piece

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implies that I was I was saluting the

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00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,800
courage, strength, and indehaticability

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00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:37,040
of the Iraqi people. But I've said that

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00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,720
10,000 times. There's no point really in

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00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:41,440
going over it. What what I will tell you

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of more contemporary uh because this

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00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:48,960
that was in 2004, this was in 200 uh

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00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:51,520
sorry 1994, this was in 2002. Uh, I did

1083
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:54,720
say to him, "You have to let these arms

1084
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:57,359
inspectors in and you have to destroy

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00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:59,920
every single piece of weapons of mass

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destruction that Iraq has because

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otherwise Iraq is going to be invaded,

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00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:08,400
overwhelmed, and will be broken into

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00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:11,200
pieces." And he said to me, "We would

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00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:13,359
not lie to you. We know everything that

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00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:17,520
you've done to defend the people of

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00:42:13,359 --> 00:42:20,079
Iraq, but we do not have any weapons of

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00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:22,960
mass destruction. And I thought to

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00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:26,079
myself, Krikey, he's even lying to me

1095
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:28,079
now at the 11th hour. But it turns out

1096
00:42:26,079 --> 00:42:30,079
he was the one telling the truth. And

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00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:33,359
the leaders of the free world were the

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00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:34,800
ones who were lying. Uh or wrong

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00:42:33,359 --> 00:42:37,040
depending on your point of view. I

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00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:40,640
prefer lying. And we'll see from

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00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:42,880
Chilcott uh who's right. uh about that

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somebody Matthew Norman a friend of mine

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00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:48,400
uh great writer and humorist put it in

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00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:51,280
my Blair film like this that there were

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00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:54,800
three uh people uh dominating the news

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00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:57,119
at that time George Bushama bin Laden

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and Saddam Hussein and the only one who

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wasn't a religious maniac was Saddam

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00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:05,599
Hussein and that actually is the truth

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it's uh just coming up to 11:45 the hour

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00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:08,640
is flying by but there's still time for

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00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:10,319
you to get your point too George

1113
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,000
Galloway, mayor or candidate. If you

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00:43:10,319 --> 00:43:13,599
want to do that, um you can email James

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00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,720
lbc.co.uk. You'll struggle to get

1116
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:16,640
through on the phones to be honest. So

1117
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:18,000
why not send me a tweet to to to Mr.

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00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,119
James? Actually, on the subject of

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00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:22,319
Twitter, a lot of people are asking me

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why you block so many on Twitter. Uh I I

1121
00:43:22,319 --> 00:43:26,800
have a criterion. Bigots. You have a you

1122
00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:29,680
have a hair trigger. Uh not so much

1123
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:32,960
nowadays, actually. Uh bigots, uh

1124
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:37,440
sectarians, uh blasphemers,

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00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:38,880
uh people who uh liel. I block them. Um

1126
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,119
though not so much now. I've kind of

1127
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:43,680
given up uh blocking. I do have a

1128
00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:46,240
million followers on social media. So I

1129
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:48,400
need help to run these things. I'm not

1130
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:50,240
doing it all myself. So if you think

1131
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,760
you've been blocked unfairly, let me

1132
00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:53,680
know and I'll reinstate you. How are

1133
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,920
they going to let you know? Uh there are

1134
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,280
ways. I think there are ways. We'll

1135
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,560
ponder that during the travel news.

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You're listening to James O'Brien on

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LBC. It's 11:45.

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I'm Chris Gton. The LBC Travel Center.

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00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:07,040
Still got these big problems in Yeding.

1140
00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:08,160
The A312 the parkway still closed in

1141
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,680
both directions for accident

1142
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,359
investigation work between the Willow

1143
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,880
Tree roundabout and the White Hart

1144
00:44:11,359 --> 00:44:14,240
roundabout. It's causing delays all the

1145
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,839
way back to the Aussie Garvin roundabout

1146
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:17,680
in Hayes and also onto the Target

1147
00:44:15,839 --> 00:44:19,280
roundabout in North Halt. Not helping

1148
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:21,040
matters on the M4 heading to London

1149
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,640
either. That's much heavier than normal

1150
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,079
just before junction 2 for Brenford.

1151
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,440
Delays all the way back to Hayes there.

1152
00:44:24,079 --> 00:44:27,520
It's much worse than usual onto the

1153
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,200
two-lane elevated section with most of

1154
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,960
you avoiding the problems on the parkway

1155
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,720
between Hayes and North Halt. Plus,

1156
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,560
there was a breakdown as well. On the

1157
00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:36,000
train, Southeastern had delays around 40

1158
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,119
minutes still between London Bridge and

1159
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,960
New Cross. It's all because of a

1160
00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:40,640
signaling problem at New Cross. They're

1161
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,240
expecting the delays to continue till at

1162
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,839
least 1:00 this afternoon. And on the

1163
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:45,599
tubes, the Central Line still has severe

1164
00:44:43,839 --> 00:44:47,440
delays because that signal failure at

1165
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:49,200
Marble Arch. Marble Arch station remains

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00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:51,440
closed as well. Keeping London moving

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00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:55,560
and next travel updates in half an hour.

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thorough. Oh, I bet he wasn't as good as

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mine. He called to say when he'd

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arrived. Mine fixed the boiler in a

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jiffy. Mine was so tidy. Mine assembled

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my flatp pack dining table and six

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chairs. Really? No, I made that one up.

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James O'Brien on LBC.

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[Music]

1250
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:06,000
11 minutes to 12 is the time you're

1251
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:08,560
listening to. James O'Brien on LBC. Back

1252
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:10,000
to your calls in just a moment. George

1253
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,839
Galloway is with me. I'll just ask you

1254
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,680
this one if I may, George. um ask him

1255
00:48:11,839 --> 00:48:15,839
why as a Scott he wants us to remain

1256
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:18,240
part of this corrupt protrudant

1257
00:48:15,839 --> 00:48:21,200
pro-austerity union. You were quite

1258
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:25,200
active in the I was I fought hard in the

1259
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:28,480
referendum campaign uh to save the unity

1260
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:32,160
of this island and I would do so again.

1261
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:34,400
I don't believe that uh the Scottish

1262
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:36,800
Independence Project would have

1263
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:40,079
delivered the kind of change that your

1264
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:41,680
texter Twitter uh imagines. I think

1265
00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:43,440
quite the opposite. There would have

1266
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:46,000
been a race to the bottom between a

1267
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:49,119
permanently conservative England

1268
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:51,440
producing uh a paradise for free

1269
00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:53,520
markets, deregulated, low public

1270
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,599
spending, low taxation, and Scotland

1271
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:57,680
would have had to chase them to the

1272
00:48:55,599 --> 00:48:59,839
bottom to the detriment of working

1273
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:02,800
people on both sides of the border. I'll

1274
00:48:59,839 --> 00:49:05,520
grant him this. I did think that Labor

1275
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:07,839
would be elected in May and that the

1276
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:10,720
benefits of sticking together would have

1277
00:49:07,839 --> 00:49:12,880
been, I hoped, quite quickly apparent.

1278
00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:14,960
That has not happened. It's therefore

1279
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:17,119
weakened the union. I suspect that

1280
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:20,000
Scotland is on its way out of the

1281
00:49:17,119 --> 00:49:22,079
country. And in any case, as we're

1282
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,400
talking about me in London, it's about

1283
00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:27,359
time London got into this devolution

1284
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:29,520
home rule debate because all kinds of

1285
00:49:27,359 --> 00:49:32,559
places, Scotland, Wales, the northwest

1286
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:34,240
of England are all in the devolution

1287
00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:36,559
business and London needs to get into

1288
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:39,359
it. We produce most of the wealth in the

1289
00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:41,520
country, but we have almost no power. We

1290
00:49:39,359 --> 00:49:43,440
talked jokingly, I did about the London

1291
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:46,160
Assembly earlier. It's a toothless,

1292
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:48,720
powerless uh organization for the most

1293
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:52,160
part. We need a powerful parliament in

1294
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:54,960
London and we need powers over some of

1295
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:57,119
the economic and other aspects of our

1296
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,800
lives here. Um, which leads us into

1297
00:49:57,119 --> 00:50:00,880
Rav's question from Harrow. Rav, what

1298
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:03,920
would you like to ask George Galloway?

1299
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:05,280
Hi there, George. Hi. Hi there. Um, so

1300
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,040
I've listened to quite a bit of what

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you've said, some of which I agree with,

1302
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:12,160
some of which I quite um don't quite

1303
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,680
understand. For instance, um I don't

1304
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:16,559
know if George really appreciate

1305
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economics and its role within London. We

1306
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need pro- uh choice. We need a market in

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which Londoners have a choice. I mean,

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for instance, Uber is a good thing. Uber

1309
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:27,520
provides choice to Londoners and the

1310
00:50:26,079 --> 00:50:29,280
market will decide. I mean, I don't

1311
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:31,520
understand why George keeps um

1312
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,599
lambasting these different pro business

1313
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:35,760
choices. And I really wonder whether

1314
00:50:33,599 --> 00:50:38,400
he's appreciates how important

1315
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:40,319
businesses can be to London and how that

1316
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:42,000
is what is going to be the antidote to

1317
00:50:40,319 --> 00:50:44,240
inequality. And this is one of the

1318
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,440
reasons Labor is thought to have lost in

1319
00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:47,839
May is that they were perceived as

1320
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:50,240
somehow anti- business. Well, my view is

1321
00:50:47,839 --> 00:50:52,000
this that markets cannot be allowed to

1322
00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:53,359
decide everything. Uh if they did,

1323
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:56,480
children would still be going up

1324
00:50:53,359 --> 00:50:59,359
chimneys. The state has a right to a

1325
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:03,599
responsibility to ensure the public

1326
00:50:59,359 --> 00:51:06,480
good. And so I believe in a state and

1327
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:09,680
private mix, a mixed economy. I don't

1328
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:11,760
believe in uh unfettered, untralled uh

1329
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:14,160
free markets. Although the Conservatives

1330
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:16,640
do and Uber is the personification of

1331
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:18,960
that. It seems to work for you, it

1332
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:21,040
doesn't work for the great majority of

1333
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,640
people in London. And every black cab

1334
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,480
driver, Rav, is a small businessman.

1335
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:26,800
Surely

1336
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:29,119
that's correct. I mean, unfortunately,

1337
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:32,480
the way the cookie crumbles is Uber have

1338
00:51:29,119 --> 00:51:33,680
the resources. They have the power. Yes,

1339
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,359
which is why that which is why they're

1340
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,480
doing so well. I did say when Mo asked

1341
00:51:35,359 --> 00:51:38,079
the original question, we were only

1342
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,680
going to take one on cab. So, I I'm

1343
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:41,200
sticking to my guns on that one. And I

1344
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:43,599
want to I want to hear from Alli who's

1345
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:47,920
in Wildon. Ally, what's your question?

1346
00:51:43,599 --> 00:51:50,800
Hi. Hi. Uh good morning. Uh George, um I

1347
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:54,160
believe uh uh you you believe in human

1348
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:57,440
rights and uh and I want to ask you, I'm

1349
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:59,440
I'm an Iranian in exile. Um we we are

1350
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:03,200
there are around 6 million Iranians in

1351
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:05,040
exile out of Iran. 100,000 Iranian have

1352
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:07,200
been executed according to Amnesty

1353
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:09,280
International and Human Rights of the

1354
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:11,040
United Nations. You know, Islamic

1355
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:13,920
Republic is one of the ruthless

1356
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:17,680
terrorist organization in the world. Yet

1357
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:20,240
you work in a press TV which which

1358
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:22,400
belongs to Islamic Republic of Iran. How

1359
00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:26,160
can you be a mayor of a metropolitan

1360
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:28,720
city uh when you work for Islamic

1361
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:31,280
Republic of Iran and press TV? You even

1362
00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:33,920
took can with you Ken Livingston to

1363
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:36,880
press TV. How can we talk about human

1364
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:39,119
rights and justice when you work for for

1365
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:41,839
Islamic Republic of Iran? Well, I guess

1366
00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:44,319
I'll put you down as doubtful uh in the

1367
00:52:41,839 --> 00:52:47,760
election. I present a television program

1368
00:52:44,319 --> 00:52:50,319
on Press TV, as I do on Russia Today,

1369
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:52,880
and as I would do on Sky if they would

1370
00:52:50,319 --> 00:52:56,720
offer me one. I'm responsible for what I

1371
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:59,359
say on my show on those platforms, not

1372
00:52:56,720 --> 00:53:01,119
for the governments that ultimately own

1373
00:52:59,359 --> 00:53:03,520
them. But you give them credibility by

1374
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:05,760
being there, don't you? Well, I would I

1375
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:07,839
give Rert Murdoch credibility by being

1376
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:10,720
there if I took a show on Sky? I don't

1377
00:53:07,839 --> 00:53:13,839
know. uh if I were paring the point of

1378
00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:16,160
view of Rupert Murdoch or Iran or Russia

1379
00:53:13,839 --> 00:53:19,839
that would be condemnable but it isn't

1380
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:23,040
true but they are I mean two deeply

1381
00:53:19,839 --> 00:53:25,920
deeply suspect regimes Russia and Iran

1382
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:27,280
and you will be seen as somehow

1383
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:30,000
supporting them by taking their

1384
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:32,319
shilling. Some people have pulled out of

1385
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:34,559
course of of presenting on press TV as a

1386
00:53:32,319 --> 00:53:36,400
result of this very very question

1387
00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:38,079
including my colleague Nick Ferrari.

1388
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,599
Some people have had um acts of

1389
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:42,079
conscience. I wasn't going to for

1390
00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:44,400
reasons of politess bring that up. Uh

1391
00:53:42,079 --> 00:53:48,400
but Nick Ferrari was on the payroll of

1392
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:51,920
Press TV as was uh uh Andrew the BBC

1393
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:54,880
fellow uh the famous uh now uh witch

1394
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:57,839
hunter uh on the Daily Telegraph uh and

1395
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:59,680
so on. So, I mean, look, we're

1396
00:53:57,839 --> 00:54:02,960
professionals, James. We present

1397
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:06,240
programs, and we we we stand or fall on

1398
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:08,960
what we say and do on our uh programs. I

1399
00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:12,559
don't share your analysis of the

1400
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:14,800
governments of Iran or Russia. Uh, and

1401
00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:16,319
in any case, I'm not speaking for

1402
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,800
either.

1403
00:54:16,319 --> 00:54:21,040
And yet, you take their money. Well, I'm

1404
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,319
I'm uh a television presenter, of

1405
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,520
course. Everybody that presents Is there

1406
00:54:22,319 --> 00:54:25,440
anyone you wouldn't work for? Is there

1407
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:28,400
anyone you wouldn't take money from? Uh

1408
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:32,240
if any platform including Rupert Murdoch

1409
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:34,720
offered me a show, uh my only criterion

1410
00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:36,880
is this. Don't ever tell me what I

1411
00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:39,920
should say. Don't ever tell me what I

1412
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:42,880
must not say. And no one has on any of

1413
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:44,640
the platforms that I've uh worked on.

1414
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:46,720
These figures are accurate. You know,

1415
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:49,280
the number of executions in Iran, these

1416
00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:51,920
are I don't know how long a period that

1417
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:54,800
is over. But if it's from 1979 until

1418
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:56,960
now, it's it's 100,000 too many. I'm

1419
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,880
against all executions. Still illegal to

1420
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,640
be gay there. Uh it's not actually

1421
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:04,559
illegal to be gay, but it's illegal to

1422
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:08,079
practice uh gay sex. Uh but it's not

1423
00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:11,280
illegal to be gay, but uh it's horrific.

1424
00:55:08,079 --> 00:55:13,119
Uh in in either case, uh it's not

1425
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:15,599
illegal to be gay in Russia, but they

1426
00:55:13,119 --> 00:55:17,119
have a So if ISIS TV came to you

1427
00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:18,559
tomorrow and said, "George Galloway,

1428
00:55:17,119 --> 00:55:20,720
we've got just the gig for you." How do

1429
00:55:18,559 --> 00:55:22,400
you fancy it? No, because I'm I'm the

1430
00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:23,920
country's We promise not to tell you

1431
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,839
what to say. We promise not to influence

1432
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:28,800
you in any way. I I'm the foremost

1433
00:55:25,839 --> 00:55:31,440
opponent of ISIS. I want to see them all

1434
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:33,440
lying dead in the street. And if the

1435
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,960
British government had listened to me

1436
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:38,800
right at the beginning, there never

1437
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:43,599
would have been an ISIS. So no uh is the

1438
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:46,240
answer to that. But the states that own

1439
00:55:43,599 --> 00:55:49,200
Press TV and own Russia Today and the

1440
00:55:46,240 --> 00:55:52,000
BBC is owned by the British state. There

1441
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:55,119
are all kinds of state broadcasters and

1442
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:57,680
uh I'm ready to stand or fall. I've got

1443
00:55:55,119 --> 00:56:00,480
50,000 videos on YouTube of what I've

1444
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:03,440
said on those platforms over the years

1445
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:04,799
and I I stand by by all of it. So, would

1446
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,240
you work for an Israeli television

1447
00:56:04,799 --> 00:56:08,000
channel if they offered you the right?

1448
00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:11,440
No, I wouldn't. Why not? I wouldn't

1449
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:14,400
because of my political attitude to

1450
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:16,240
Israel that I believe in no recognition,

1451
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:20,240
no normalization

1452
00:56:16,240 --> 00:56:21,760
uh with Israel until it has negotiated a

1453
00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:23,760
settlement with the Palestinian people

1454
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,960
and it has not yet. Just to clarify, you

1455
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,960
wouldn't have any problem working for a

1456
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:29,280
Jewish television station. It's an

1457
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:32,000
Israeli state funded one. Absolutely. Uh

1458
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:34,559
I I love Jews. I just hate the Israeli

1459
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:36,000
apartheite state. And some people will

1460
00:56:34,559 --> 00:56:37,520
be deeply unhappy that you even employ

1461
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:40,000
that language. But I sense that as the

1462
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:43,839
meal uh election looms ever closer, you

1463
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:45,599
won't be stopping. Uh no. Uh Jimmy

1464
00:56:43,839 --> 00:56:47,359
Carter was the first person to call it

1465
00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:48,960
an apartheite state, the former

1466
00:56:47,359 --> 00:56:52,000
president of the United States. I

1467
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:54,240
believe that he was right about that. Um

1468
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:56,400
it's very short of time. Are we too

1469
00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:57,680
short of time? Can we squeeze in Mary

1470
00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:00,079
and Finchley, can you just ask your

1471
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:01,680
question very briefly if you don't mind?

1472
00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:02,799
Yeah. You've been around Mr. Galloway,

1473
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,319
good morning. Good afternoon. You've

1474
00:57:02,799 --> 00:57:07,280
been around Wesnik for an awful long

1475
00:57:04,319 --> 00:57:10,160
time. Do you have a a personal opinion

1476
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:12,319
as to why Greel Jana has never been

1477
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:15,680
prosecuted and there was evidence from

1478
00:57:12,319 --> 00:57:17,119
before he evidently has had dementia?

1479
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:19,839
All all allegations of course

1480
00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:21,839
persistently demand denied but the but

1481
00:57:19,839 --> 00:57:23,599
the question is clear. Why do you think

1482
00:57:21,839 --> 00:57:25,440
that these allegations have never been

1483
00:57:23,599 --> 00:57:28,559
officially followed up? Because he's

1484
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:31,599
part of the magic circle around

1485
00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:34,400
Westminster of the powerful looking

1486
00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:36,319
after uh their own. And I listened to

1487
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:39,280
your discussion on that earlier. It was

1488
00:57:36,319 --> 00:57:41,760
very very powerful radio. Uh it is an

1489
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:44,880
outrage that Grel Janer was not

1490
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:46,880
prosecuted when he was able and it's an

1491
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:50,640
outrage that we're being told that he's

1492
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:52,880
now unable to face justice. Uh but uh

1493
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:55,359
nobody quite believes it and the best

1494
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:58,559
place to establish it would have been in

1495
00:57:55,359 --> 00:58:01,200
a court of uh of law. Uh Grareville Jar

1496
00:57:58,559 --> 00:58:04,000
made a career out of demanding and

1497
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:06,559
entirely correctly. I supported them

1498
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:09,920
that every last Nazi war criminal,

1499
00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:12,240
however old, however infirm, however uh

1500
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:14,240
uh uh they are suffering from dementia

1501
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:17,040
or anything else, if necessary, should

1502
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:19,680
be carried into a court of law to face

1503
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:22,720
their heinous crimes. And I think the

1504
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:24,000
same is true of Janna. George Galloway,

1505
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:27,200
final question. This is a tweet from

1506
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:28,400
Brendan. Um, it says, "During a run in

1507
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,160
you had a few years ago with Frank

1508
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,920
Lampard James, George Galloway described

1509
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:34,240
you as a disc jockey making a name for

1510
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:36,400
himself. Is an apology to you." I'm not

1511
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:38,160
sure if I did do that. Uh, cuz I'm

1512
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:41,359
actually one of your admirers. But, uh,

1513
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:43,920
if I did then then I apologize though.

1514
00:58:41,359 --> 00:58:46,000
We've all been diss at one time or

1515
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,599
another. Indeed, we have. Um, time is

1516
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,960
just approaching 12. George Galloway,

1517
00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:51,440
many thanks. You'll be back, I'm sure,

1518
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:53,119
as the mayor election looms ever closer.

1519
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:55,760
You are listening to James O'Brien on

1520
00:58:53,119 --> 00:58:57,440
LBC. Back into the news of today,

1521
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:59,760
straight after the news, and that once

1522
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:02,480
again involves animals that some people

1523
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:04,480
call pets and other people call demonic,

1524
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:06,160
devilish, and whether or not those two

1525
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,599
camps can ever be encouraged to meet.

1526
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:10,799
The question that seems most pertinent

1527
00:59:07,599 --> 00:59:13,599
to that ambition is this. Why do people

1528
00:59:10,799 --> 00:59:15,040
want dogs that are usable as weapons?

1529
00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:17,280
People who who tell me they don't want

1530
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:19,119
the dog to be a weapon, why not choose a

1531
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:21,680
dog that isn't? Why not choose an animal

1532
00:59:19,119 --> 00:59:24,400
that is not prone to particularly

1533
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:26,079
vicious behavior? I want to understand.

1534
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:28,799
I've tried in the past and I've failed.

1535
00:59:26,079 --> 00:59:30,200
But you never stop trying. Time now is

1536
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12:01

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