1 00:00:00,199 --> 00:00:04,839 now on Friday the cross party 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:06,759 euroskeptic group Grassroots out held a 3 00:00:04,839 --> 00:00:08,760 rally in Westminster to coincide with 4 00:00:06,759 --> 00:00:11,040 the final day of the European Council 5 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:13,360 Summit attendees were promised a special 6 00:00:11,040 --> 00:00:15,639 guest speaker but when that was revealed 7 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:17,760 to be former respect MP and London Marl 8 00:00:15,639 --> 00:00:20,000 candidate George Galloway some people in 9 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,680 the audience were decidedly unamused 10 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:24,480 Adam Fleming was at the event and spoke 11 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:26,320 to some of the people who left early why 12 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:28,760 are you walking out before it's 13 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:31,960 finished in hearing the last speaker 14 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,960 George Galloway what's wrong with him 15 00:00:32,239 --> 00:00:37,280 why are you leaving it's not finished 16 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:40,120 yet George Gallow what's wrong with him 17 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:43,520 I'll never sit uh in a room with a man 18 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:47,079 like George Galloway I don't want him 19 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:47,079 anyone Christian 20 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:58,239 of this torpedo the camp this is torpedo 21 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:00,600 as far as I'm concerned I'm not staying 22 00:00:58,239 --> 00:01:02,879 to hear George gway how did do you feel 23 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:04,360 when they said the name George Galloway 24 00:01:02,879 --> 00:01:07,000 I I didn't want to stay I said 25 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:09,479 immediately to my husband we must go 26 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:12,080 guys why why you leaving early um I 27 00:01:09,479 --> 00:01:14,240 don't like um what I've just seen on the 28 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:15,960 stage not not what what happened before 29 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,439 but I think in any form of association 30 00:01:15,960 --> 00:01:18,640 with George Galloway is Holy 31 00:01:17,439 --> 00:01:20,280 inappropriate and I think a lot of 32 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,680 people here feel the same way whichever 33 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:24,640 side of the argument there 34 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:26,880 are and George Galloway joins me now 35 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,600 rather conveniently um George Galloway 36 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,479 it seems your unveiling wasn't quite the 37 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:33,799 Triumph that Grassroots 38 00:01:30,479 --> 00:01:35,479 not for the first time you've misled me 39 00:01:33,799 --> 00:01:38,000 uh by asking me to come in and talk 40 00:01:35,479 --> 00:01:40,240 about the referendum but instead wanting 41 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,880 to talk about me I'm sure we haven't 42 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:44,360 misled hang on hang on hang on I'm sure 43 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:47,000 we hav you no I won't hang on if you had 44 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:49,360 told me that I was coming in that I was 45 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:51,439 coming in to discuss me I would have 46 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:54,799 said there are much bigger issues that 47 00:01:51,439 --> 00:01:57,079 the British people are occupied by than 48 00:01:54,799 --> 00:01:59,119 six or however many Vox pops you had 49 00:01:57,079 --> 00:02:00,560 this is going on to the issue as you say 50 00:01:59,119 --> 00:02:02,600 of the referend 51 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:04,520 let's talk about the 52 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:06,200 reference I want you to answer this you 53 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,599 want to defend you know what you're 54 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:10,399 doing here I don't want to defend me at 55 00:02:08,599 --> 00:02:12,599 all you're not my judge you're not fit 56 00:02:10,399 --> 00:02:14,239 to be my judge well thank you very much 57 00:02:12,599 --> 00:02:16,440 all I'm trying to say is are you going 58 00:02:14,239 --> 00:02:17,720 to be a benefit to this campaign if 59 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,760 there are people that are going to walk 60 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:23,640 out ask me to come in to this studio I 61 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:26,200 didn't ask you you told me you wanted to 62 00:02:23,640 --> 00:02:28,360 hear my views on the referendum of the 63 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:30,920 European Union so can we move on to that 64 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:33,200 please well are you happy to link arms 65 00:02:30,920 --> 00:02:35,319 to use the prime minister's expression 66 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:37,319 with others that you that you do not 67 00:02:35,319 --> 00:02:38,440 agree with I don't link arms with 68 00:02:37,319 --> 00:02:42,080 anybody 69 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:44,920 you binary it's a binary Choice you're 70 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:47,519 in or you're out the last fellow you had 71 00:02:44,920 --> 00:02:51,080 on who said he wouldn't share a platform 72 00:02:47,519 --> 00:02:54,000 with me claimed £40,000 off the taxpayer 73 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:57,599 to he's horses in a stable right why do 74 00:02:54,000 --> 00:03:00,480 I really want to link arms with him no 75 00:02:57,599 --> 00:03:02,879 but if he can bring any no voters into 76 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:06,319 the polling booth and if I can bring any 77 00:03:02,879 --> 00:03:08,159 no voters into the polling Booth I hope 78 00:03:06,319 --> 00:03:09,680 that that will be enough so this issue 79 00:03:08,159 --> 00:03:11,280 what we were trying to say about this 80 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:13,640 whole interview is that this issue as 81 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:15,200 far as you're concerned is bigger than 82 00:03:13,640 --> 00:03:18,440 people's P Than 83 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:21,040 People ex you know Tony Blair is for yes 84 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:23,319 does that mean that anybody uh who's for 85 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:26,239 yes is associated with Tony Blair it's 86 00:03:23,319 --> 00:03:29,200 such childish discourse right except 87 00:03:26,239 --> 00:03:31,080 that political bedfellows can sometimes 88 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:33,920 lead people to say are is one being 89 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:35,640 authentic about the issue if for example 90 00:03:33,920 --> 00:03:37,760 you said about Nigel farage his Aid 91 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:40,599 smear should disqualify him from any 92 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:42,879 civilized company henceforth but you're 93 00:03:40,599 --> 00:03:44,519 going to put that aside in order to 94 00:03:42,879 --> 00:03:47,200 campaign for this issue which you think 95 00:03:44,519 --> 00:03:49,599 is bigger it's bigger than all issues it 96 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:52,040 will affect the lives the future of all 97 00:03:49,599 --> 00:03:53,799 of our people for the rest of time so 98 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,799 what do you say to those people who 99 00:03:53,799 --> 00:03:57,879 obviously don't feel it is bigger than 100 00:03:55,799 --> 00:03:59,519 their personal antipathy towards you 101 00:03:57,879 --> 00:04:01,560 well more fool them I hope they're not 102 00:03:59,519 --> 00:04:03,239 going to vote for the European Union 103 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,040 because they don't like me that would be 104 00:04:03,239 --> 00:04:06,680 a very foolish and childish thing to do 105 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,519 but are you worried that you might be 106 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:10,840 turning off some people who would like 107 00:04:08,519 --> 00:04:13,599 to support grass you asked me to come 108 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:15,640 here presumably because you thought I 109 00:04:13,599 --> 00:04:17,519 had something that some people might be 110 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:19,040 interested to hear yes and we will get 111 00:04:17,519 --> 00:04:20,840 on to it but it is important isn't it if 112 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,520 you're trying when we get on to it we're 113 00:04:20,840 --> 00:04:23,880 almost finished the interview how do you 114 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,120 know might have you on here for another 115 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,280 10 15 minutes I very much that you're 116 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,080 right I'm not going to have you on for a 117 00:04:27,280 --> 00:04:31,520 105 minutes but if you're going to 118 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:33,400 convince people of an argument they've 119 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,520 got to believe in the big players that 120 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:38,440 are there stop this please stop this you 121 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:40,639 misled me into coming in here today and 122 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:44,320 every question you've asked has been 123 00:04:40,639 --> 00:04:47,039 about me I'm campaigning amongst my 1 124 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:49,400 million followers on social media on the 125 00:04:47,039 --> 00:04:52,039 radio on the television on platforms on 126 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:54,400 the streets for Britain to leave for a 127 00:04:52,039 --> 00:04:56,639 series of important reasons to which you 128 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:58,039 have not yet turned I will get to it if 129 00:04:56,639 --> 00:05:00,320 you would just answer the one question 130 00:04:58,039 --> 00:05:05,039 then but I don't when you ever wanted to 131 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:07,080 talk about you childish it's so tabloid 132 00:05:05,039 --> 00:05:09,800 it's so daily maill God forbid we should 133 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:11,960 ever be tabloid here at the BBC are you 134 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:14,320 and Nigel farage going to be able to 135 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:16,960 attract and keep enough support for this 136 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:20,000 campaign that you say is important 137 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:21,680 enough to override any other personality 138 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:24,360 or politics I don't know because the 139 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:27,400 public haven't voted yet but I am 140 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:29,960 convinced that Britain should leave so 141 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:32,639 is Boris Johnson for his own reasons so 142 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,960 is Nigel farage for his own reason what 143 00:05:32,639 --> 00:05:35,240 is the overriding reason for you 144 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,240 campaigning because I believe in 145 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:40,560 democracy I believe that Britain should 146 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:42,720 control its own events who comes into 147 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,960 our country who can be told to leave our 148 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:47,880 country what our foreign policy should 149 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:49,759 be what our Economic Policy should be 150 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:52,520 should be decided by the British people 151 00:05:49,759 --> 00:05:54,880 in a British Parliament it's not rocket 152 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:57,560 science have you always held that 153 00:05:54,880 --> 00:06:00,960 position I have always believed that we 154 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:02,840 should out 1975 I campaign but a lot of 155 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:05,759 people in the labor party at that time 156 00:06:02,840 --> 00:06:07,919 also campaign what I'm saying now was 157 00:06:05,759 --> 00:06:11,280 Orthodox in the labor party and I cling 158 00:06:07,919 --> 00:06:13,960 to the Views about the EU of Mr Ben but 159 00:06:11,280 --> 00:06:17,039 the last STW for me yes was Greece was 160 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:19,800 the crushing of democracy in Greece 161 00:06:17,039 --> 00:06:22,160 which told me and not to tell Jeremy 162 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:24,759 Corbin and John McDonald that if they 163 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:26,919 attempted to implement the kind of 164 00:06:24,759 --> 00:06:29,599 policies which they believe are 165 00:06:26,919 --> 00:06:32,840 necessary and I agree then they will be 166 00:06:29,599 --> 00:06:34,919 crushed underfoot by the EU bureaucracy 167 00:06:32,840 --> 00:06:36,800 and by the power of the European so you 168 00:06:34,919 --> 00:06:39,039 have returned to the issue of workers 169 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:41,000 rights which was actually what the basis 170 00:06:39,039 --> 00:06:43,960 of Labor's division in 171 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:45,560 1975 so are you disappointed that 172 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,680 somebody like Jeremy Corbin isn't 173 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,840 pushing harder to actually look at that 174 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:52,360 issue well I think that the prime 175 00:06:49,840 --> 00:06:55,000 minister's negotiation was flannel it 176 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:56,639 was uh smoke and mirrors if Jeremy 177 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,759 Corbin had been going into those 178 00:06:56,639 --> 00:07:00,080 negotiations he would have raised far 179 00:06:58,759 --> 00:07:02,960 more fundamental 180 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:04,759 issues I know why given the domestic 181 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:07,160 balance of forces within the British 182 00:07:04,759 --> 00:07:10,120 labor party why Jeremy Corbin has been 183 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:11,960 frankly hobbled on this question but I'm 184 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:14,560 clinging to the view I took under the 185 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:17,440 leadership of Tony Ben and I'll continue 186 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:20,440 to do it with all my breath if anyone is 187 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:22,759 persuaded by it I'll be happy there you 188 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:26,639 go you had your say then finally on the 189 00:07:22,759 --> 00:07:26,639 issue George Galloway