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welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world

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with me George Galloway and me gatri

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peace processes like true love never run

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smooth but few breakdowns attract the

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attention that the rejection in a

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referendum of the long and painful

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process of bringing about an end to the

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bloody conflict in Colombia has a 50y

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year war more than 50 years actually has

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been waged there between the

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Revolutionary armed forces of Colombia

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the farc and the Colombian State the

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process was supposed to leave the far

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unarmed and in the political system

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instead the narrow rejection of deal has

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plunged the country and the region into

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deep uncertainty joining us to discuss

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it is journalist Nick McWilliam who was

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in Colombia during the campaign Nick

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thanks for coming on board what went

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wrong everybody assumed this was a done

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deal yeah me included um what went wrong

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it's a very broad question I mean um

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people are still talking about that

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people are still not defined an actual

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an actual cause um there's been

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everything has been listed as as factors

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in the in the no vote success from um

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hurricane the hurricane which hit the

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Caribbean coast um on Election Day oh

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sorry election day referendum day um

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which prevented a lot of people from

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voting in the Caribbean uh cities Carter

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Hena Santa Martin these regions the yes

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vote was polling very highly um the

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hurricane they people are saying could

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have prevented up to 4 million people

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from voting wow um that's a good reason

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to run it again is it the well mat let's

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let's get mat yeah Matthew that's the

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one um the difference between the yes

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and the no vote was 55,000 people so you

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know you've got all this amount of um

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people who were unable to vote but

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that's just one reason being put forward

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um there there's been several there's

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also the fact that there was perhaps a

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sense of complacency on the part of the

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of the Juan Manuel Santos government in

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the sense that they staged this very

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elaborate and celebratory signing

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ceremony in Cena the week before the

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referendum which kind of with

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hindsight seems a bit arrogant now and

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perhaps one angered no voters um which

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as we see was quite a large now

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proportion of the country and two also

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gave the sense that uh peace was a

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formality and and therefore perhaps

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create this sense of complacency that

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people didn't necessarily need to go and

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vote you know peace was coming and and

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great and everybody's celebrating those

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are kind of a couple of reasons but

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there's deeper reasons than that I mean

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one um the Colombian right um was

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campaigned very strongly for the no vote

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the political right led by the former

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president Alvaro urbe and his political

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party the the Democratic Center um was

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played not very Democratic and not very

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Centrist they're not very Centrist

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definitely not no they are Colombians

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who I SP tend to call them La ultraa the

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ultra rights not even the extreme right

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the ultra right so urbe was the

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president between 2002 and 2010 he

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enacted a very military um response to

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Insurgency uh um violence and the

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conflict kind of peaked under arbe uh

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this was also when things like plan

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Colombia which is the um agreement with

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the United States for military funding

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for Colombia was mainly enacted and the

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US was putting billions per year into

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into Colombia's War economy ostensibly

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on on a counternarcotics War on

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researchers found that this was much

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more focused on counter insur gency um

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and was the Colombia military um actions

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engaged under the plane Colombia rubric

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were by and large in in regions

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controlled by the Fark so so ree's kind

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of political background or presidential

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background he's he goes much um prior to

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that as well shows the kind of his

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attitude towards the Insurgency so in

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2010 arbe was replaced by Juan Manuel

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Santos who is the current president of

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Colombia and Santos who acted as the

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ur's defense minister and perhaps had

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been expected to continue this kind of

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militarized um attitude yeah exactly

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hawkish towards the f um kind of

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he even you know he was photographed

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shaking hands with the park leader so

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yes exactly um well this is Santos and

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urbe are consistently portrayed in the

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Colombian media as like mortal enemies

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now um that you know Santos betrayed

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arbe because he he then suddenly you

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know advocated this peace uh and

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negotiations with the Fark Santos is No

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clear on that his his record not

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particularly no of course but only

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someone on the right could have made

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this uh peace deal it's like Nixon and

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the recognition of China uh it needed

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someone like Santos uh who had a

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right-wing constituency to to say look

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I've fought them and now it's best that

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we end this war by diplomatic uh

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means Colombia has become a byward in

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recent decades for horrific abuse of

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Human Rights Trade union leaders and

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activists being murdered and

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disappeared and uh a kind of gangster

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regime uh an American imperialist

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most of Latin America was moving to the

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left now beginning to change um how

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accurate was that picture uh of Colombia

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and was that a contributory factor to

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the farx long-standing uh military

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campaign were they given basically a

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steady stream of recruits and support by

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virtue of the right-wing nature of these

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governments um I would say yes it was a

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factor um so

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this Colombia is a very fragmented

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country historically uh it's kind of

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been split between urban well it's his

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land owners now uh urz very much

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represents that conservative land owner

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sector um those groups well I mean

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Colombian history now but those groups

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um the the minant groups have

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traditionally used violence as a means

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of furthering their interests furthering

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their economic um plans um and they have

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done that through a political system

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which has marginalized vast sectors of

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Colombian Society Colombia is a very um

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it's geographically fragmented but it's

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also very socially fragmented you have a

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very large indigenous population a very

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large African descendant population who

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mobilized which they do regularly and I

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was out there covering um at the end of

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nationwide

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strike agario an agrarian strike they

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call it um which reflected this sense of

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disenfranchisement of of these kind of

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marginalized groups where who have

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disproportionately suffered from the

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conflict they have their communities are

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like coca um eradication policies which

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uh involve aerial spraying um this area

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of spraying destroys crops uh kind of

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pushes people economic deals in Colombia

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production because it's more resilient

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than normal crops it's economically

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viable if the choice is that or

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starvation then you know it's um that's

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of course what people are forced into

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doing um and yes the state has been

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historically absent um there is not

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the and there's insecurity and the farc

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that they have provide a sense of social

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structure and their recruitment pool has

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not been small you know they they the

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state has been a historical oppressor of

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large parts of the society uh

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um and uh and yeah for for many of them

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the their primary engagement with the

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state is through is through conflict is

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through the military rather than through

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health or through

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education one region that um which is

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this is an ongoing crisis in Colombia

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which is very very rarely reported on is

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in the far north you have uh a deserts

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region on the Caribbean coast called uh

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laira uh in the last since between 2008

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and 2013 more than 4,000 indigenous

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children died in this region uh

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through uh lack of water malnutrition

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and preventable diseases um you know the

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media barely reports on it whereas

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Venezuela you know there's some stuff

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not available and the supermarket

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becomes so it's like this imbalance in

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reporting and and that can also be

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traced back to the failed referendum

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which is very much a corporate media in

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the hands of a few Elite interests as

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often um how it has

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misrepresented violence in Colombia

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conflict so I see there's obviously

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certain circumstances that has caused

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result uh which otherwise would have

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been a yes obviously cuz so what what

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are the other really people who have you

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know solid Arguments for this no vote

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what what what solution you see

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otherwise what how is it going to look

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like one thing that the right they got

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an alternative plan who the the the no

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vote Camp I mean do they really want to

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go back to the war

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um um they say not um but you know the

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war has had

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a war is big business right so War has

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advanced the interests of certain

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economically powerful groups or Elites

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displaced you know very large

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communities in Colombia um Colombia has

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between six and 7 million internally

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displaced people um it's uh along with

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Syria it's the first or second um

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highest number of internal displaced in

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now what this does is it opens up large

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economic interests um which have

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benefited from the war now a lot of

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people when I was out there um I spoke

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to a lot of people you know displacement

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victims uh men members of indigenous

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communities human rights activists a lot

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of these people felt that one of the

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underlying motives of the peace process

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was uh about opening up the country to

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International Investment Colombia is

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very very rich in Mineral resource es uh

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there's a Latin American Conference of

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course in November I'm there every year

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that's going to be I'm I'm sure you'll

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joining us next coming up next the art

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of the Russian Revolution who could

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tuned welcome back to Sputnik the

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October revolution of

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1917 famously described by the American

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writer John Reed as 10 days that shook

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the world Contin to reverberate for many

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decades and gave birth to many things

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good and bad including new forms of art

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of socialist realism which though not

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without critics has never really gone

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out of fashion endlessly being rehashed

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as perhaps the ultimate in retro and so

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when we heard of the film new art for a

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new world we just knew it would be on

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anybody's DVDs collection on board the

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Sputnik I'm glad to say that we can

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welcome baa award-winning director

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Margie kinmouth to talk about her latest

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project you came to an open door here

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this show is called Sputnik it's on

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RT uh we are big uh fans of uh uh post

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Revolutionary Russian Art uh and so when

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we heard about your film we just had to

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have you thanks very much for coming on

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board tell us about the film well I was

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inspired to make the film about the

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revolution because I've made four films

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about Russia Russian history Russian Art

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Russian culture and it's a kind of place

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that's just teaming with stories that

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have not been told and every single

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story seem to revolve around the

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revolution so when the anniversary came

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along I thought this is my opportunity

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to do something that honors and

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celebrates the artists cuz although the

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the politics the story of the politics

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is better known we don't know that much

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about the artist and what what happened

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to them afterwards they were infused

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with the idea that the October

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Revolution was going to bring about a

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new world and therefore it a new world

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needs a new art tell us what forms

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emerged at that time and how they stood

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the test of time well the painters were

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already up and running because you had

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you know pop over and so on had already

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started doing abstract art and the

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painters were you know there were a lot

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of them they very influenced by French

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cubis and by Picasso and so on who'd

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been exhibited there in Moscow let's

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take a look at one of those one of the

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classics tell us this talk us through

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this one well this is Mal aich who of

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course is he's the star of my film

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because his story runs right the way

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through the whole period and my my film

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he's the best known of that period

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really he's he's the best known because

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he of the black Square so the black

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Square was his way of going back to

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Grand zero if you like and um throwing

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away a figurative work throwing away

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everything and starting all over again

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and saying the art is the only thing

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that matters and this was called

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Supremacy and were they following

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Picasso or was Picasso following them he

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he drew away from Picasso I mean

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obviously they loved cubism but they

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took their own form everything in Russia

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is Extreme they're much more extreme

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than the French so they took these ideas

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and just ran with them in the most crazy

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extreme way and then when the October

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Revolution came along um they were

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allused this she likes the first I like

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the second this is socialist realism at

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its best the nobody is in any doubt what

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that painting is about and who it

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represents and there are the masses uh

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converging on the power to change and

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make a make a a new world this is less

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respectable as an art form yeah

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why I love it so much well this became

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more of the thing later on this is

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called the Bolshevik by custodia and he

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did you know a lot of his work was

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figurative and it showed the cities and

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it sort of demonstrated the politics

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with the banners and the flags and so on

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um but really it was the abstract

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artists and then the photographers were

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very important and they were all very

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very young in 1917 they were the first

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wave of Bolsheviks they really believed

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in the revolution and what it was going

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to really going to change things and so

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they worked with Lenin and Lenin asked

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them to work with him they were doing

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the propaganda posters they were

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creating photo um photo realism photo

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montage designing these adverts that

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would lat to become the prototypes for

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today's capitalist advertising who's

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this one now this is Petra vodkin who's

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less well known here and very beautiful

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he was I mean an extraordinary painter

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who is very well known also for his

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still lives and um so this is called

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fantasy and again this is quite a kind

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of you know it's an image which depicts

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exactly what it is this this idea of the

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red horse flying over the cities and the

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new hope he survived later in Stalin's

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Time by keeping himself well under the

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parit and um he didn't do any propaganda

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he kept a low profile he was a teacher

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in the art school so he had a job cuz

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remember they were very poor they were

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starving a lot of them and they needed

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well artists are supposed to starve for

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at least a little while but this is long

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before the Art Market they just they

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weren't selling their working but none

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of them were selling really yeah yeah

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but he later on he did these sort of

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coded pictures and you'll see in my film

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the way that he he sort of took the form

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into the Stalin period of the 30s

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managing to portray these houses and

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these people you know maybe looking away

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with their backs to you maybe doing

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extraordinary still lives of just one

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single fish which would be a sort of

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symbolic thing about starvation or a

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little crust and say he really did

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reflect what was happening and it's

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amazing that he survived and um so this

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is a documentary feature length

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documentary we know about those we've

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just made one ourselves um it's going to

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be on Cinemas here and internationally

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yeah t tell us your main struggles in

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making this film well it's always

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difficult to get funding I mean every

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single film I make see seems to take you

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know a lot of time to get money this was

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very difficult we had to sell our house

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for ours remind me of I'm glad you

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didn't have to do

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that well it it was um but you had to

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anticipate for the anniversary yeah so

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well the timing is perfect yeah it will

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soon be the stiner exactly yeah exactly

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well I suppose I'm lucky I've always

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made films around art and artists and

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people who are creative you did one a

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great one on the her Heritage yeah yeah

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and that was um I've been invited by The

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Hermitage Museum to make the anniversary

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film and that went really well it went

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out in like 30 or 40 countries around

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the world playing

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theatrically you know it really did good

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business so I said we had that model of

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distribution and I thought well I'll see

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if I can repeat that with Revolution

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this new film and was slightly more

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difficult because the the politics the

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the the sort of world situation have

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become a bit more challenging ask you

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about that I mean it isn't I mean it's

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great timing for the anniversary the

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centinary but it's pretty bad timing

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because of this rise and Rise of

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russophobia how much of a problem was

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that for you and how much of a problem

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will it be in getting people into the

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cinemas well we'll see I mean this is

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due to have a wide release on November

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the 10th all over the country all over

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Europe and then it's opening in America

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in March so we'll sort of see if if the

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Russian thing affects the tickets what

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if Donald Trump gets elected as

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president he might come along and cut

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the ribbon well we'll be get your

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spaceship somewhere I think if Hillary

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Clinton wins she'll probably close your

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film down yeah uh so you are well it was

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difficult to get the funding I mean the

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BBC you know they're not keen to look at

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these political things Russia they're

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very afraid of it so um you know that

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wasn't my first Port of Call but because

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the cinema is now a place where people

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go to look for art it's you know there

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is an audience there but I mean I think

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that art and culture is a very good way

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of you know cutting right through these

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borders and sort of joining us together

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in a good way in in the long term and um

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you know so it you hope the conflict you

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know can be resolved through sort of art

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and culture as a way of meeting with

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these people and I have really good

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relationships with the the Russians that

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I've worked with you know with G gef

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I've made two films with him the

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conductor and you know it's been a most

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extraordinary experience so um well it's

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just like the Sputnik exhibition that

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was on recently the cosmonauts the

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cosmonauts yeah which was obviously

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which was also a fantastic success yeah

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well you have certain Museum directors

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like you know ziler trulo who is at the

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the tachov and she's a very

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outward-looking person so she shared the

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work there with the yeah I mean but it

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needs two to tangle doesn't it and uh to

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be fair uh it was the British Science

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Museum that put together the cosmonauts

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and all that material for the very first

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time it hadn't been done in Russia let

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alone sent by Russia out to the world

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yeah how do you find the environment in

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Russia now on these kind of issues uh is

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it a Cooperative one do they want to get

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their story their art their culture out

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to the world well well there's two

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things I there's the paintings and so on

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which I found in the museums and each

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museum is different some of them are

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easy to work with and some of them you

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feel they're very old Soviet

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institutions that don't want to reach

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out so you know I have to find my way of

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getting my cameras in and filming there

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behind the scenes in the store rooms

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where it's overflowing with amazing

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paintings but the the great thing about

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my film is I have the descendants of the

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artist in the film and so I've

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interviewed these extraordinary

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contributors with the most heartbreaking

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stories and those were more difficult to

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get to you know these people are kind of

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shy they haven't been filmed before um

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they truly believe they have nothing to

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say you have to really you have to go on

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and on ringing them up they don't have

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answer phones or emails or anything and

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you gradually get their trust and so I

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sort of did numerous visits and talk to

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people and then I gradually go with my

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camera and so I built up so the story of

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the film The main ballast of the story

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is from The Descendants of the artists

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and I always like to tell from the

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artist point of view I think this is a

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really good way of telling a story not

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just history curators but artists you

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know with all the complications and

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complexities of making things I love I

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love hearing the artist point of view I

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understand that you used you've got

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actors as well in this documentary film

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yeah who portray these artist yeah well

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that was the other thing that um some of

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the artists of 100 years ago were also

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very good writers so so um Kandinsky

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wrote a great deal and I so I needed and

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somehow to bring his words into the

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story so he's telling his own story and

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then malovich is a you know fabulous

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writer so Tom Hollander plays malevich

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in the film he brings him to life with

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the paintings and extraordin Good

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Neighbor too one neighbor well look it's

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a great start to what's going to be a

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momentous year uh uh in uh Russian

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Affairs Russian history the very best of

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luck with your film thanks for coming on

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board the Sputnik

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margi and now it's your turn to tell us

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what you think through the portals of

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social media what's RL so on the

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Colombia peace process uh we asked

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whether the country will now how will

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they bounce back after the no votes and

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Ricardo Picasso says well under

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Relentless us te their Latin American

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fighting spirit is now more than ever

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and aaas says Santos and Fark are to be

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commanded but ultimately there's no

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peace without Justice well that's right

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and if farc have sold the pass in making

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the deal that they did they'll be

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replaced by someone else uh if the

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people's needs are unmet exactly by this

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process then new forms of struggle will

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arise and that's all that we've got time

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for today which alas means that's the

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end of the show but you can stay in

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touch with us on social media Twitter

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rtor Sputnik or Facebook Sputnik on

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Russia today it's goodbye from me gatri

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and from me George Galloway it's been

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marvelous

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