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Welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world

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with me, George Galloway, and me,

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Gayatri. Just a few weeks ago, it looked

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certain that the final round of the

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French presidential election would be a

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contest between the right and the even

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more right. In those circumstances,

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Franis Fion, the mainstream right-wing

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candidate, would surely have the support

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of the center and the left to stop

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Marine Le Pen, the leader of the

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National Front. But a few weeks is a

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long time in politics. Today, Fio is

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looking like a dead political duck sunk

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by the oldest of vices, greed. His wife,

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who is British, maintained for years

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that she's a simple housewife with no

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involvement in her husband's politics.

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Except it turns out she was paid

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€800,000 by the taxpayer as her

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husband's political assistant. Nothing

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illegal in that except critics and the

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French police are now investigating

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whether she ever turned up for work,

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whether she had been telling the truth

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all along when she said she did not work

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in her husband's politics. And then

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there is the rise of France's Jeremy

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Corbin, Benois Hammon, the new and

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unexpected candidate of the formerly

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discredited Socialist Party, if he can

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set public opinion al light in the way

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he has taken his party by storm. Could

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the final round be between the left and

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the far right? And in those

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circumstances, who would the mainstream

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conservatives support? Joining us to

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discuss this fascinating French teaser

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is Dr. Russell Foster of King's College

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London, a specialist in European

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politics. Dr. Russell, thanks for coming

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back on board the Sputnik. Lay out for

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us, if you would, the runners and riders

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and uh what's likely to have changed now

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as a result of this scandal. The French

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elections uh this year are significant

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for two reasons. one, it's possibly the

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first time in the Fifth Republic that

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we're going to see a final presidential

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runoff between two outsider candidates

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who don't belong to the standard binary

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of the Conservatives versus the

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Socialists. The second reason this is

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highly significant is that the French

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election this year is going to determine

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the fate of the European Union, whether

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it will continue to exist beyond this

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year. That's something we can get to uh

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in a short while. So the current uh race

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for the French presidency is being

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dominated by four figures who we need to

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keep an eye on. Now the first as you've

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identified is the conservative Franis

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Fon who did look like he was going to uh

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win the election but now he's mired in a

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rather ugly political scandal. So I

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think it's safe to now discount Mr. Fon.

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He may make a comeback. If there's one

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thing we learned from Brexit and Donald

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Trump, it's that our predictions are

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often very wrong. The second candidate

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to keep an eye on is the current uh

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frontr runner Emanuel Macron who has

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disassociated himself from the highly

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discredited socialist party under Franis

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Holland. The socialists have now become

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deeply unpopular and Holland seems to be

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the most unpopular president in the

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fifth republic. Macron has sensibly

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distanced himself from this in order to

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form his own uh external party which it

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would be unfair to call populist. But

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now that he's cut ties with the

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establishment, it's likely that he'll

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get a lot more support from French

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voters who are highly disillusioned with

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the establishment parties. The third

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candidate who you term uh Francis Jeremy

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Corbyn, Benoir Hammon, he is an outsider

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at the moment and he might surprise us.

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be able to ride on a wave of uh French

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desire for change of an alternative to

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the establishment.

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the second round of elections, but at

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the moment, although there is a

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possibility for him to get through, it's

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not clear whether he's sufficiently

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popular to go up against uh Macron. Now,

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this leaves us with the fourth candidate

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who we need to be very, very concerned

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about, Marine Le Pen, the leader of the

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National Front. She's concerning for two

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reasons. One is that in an era of

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establishment politics and in the

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aftermath of Brexit, in the aftermath of

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the Italian referendum against

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Mateorenzi, in the aftermath of Mr.

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Trump, it seems that people like Meen Le

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Pen can appeal to a very angry segment

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of the population who feel that they've

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been abandoned by the same establishment

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elites who are mired in scandal. She is

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surely more or less guaranteed to be in

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the final round given the current

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standing of the front national in in the

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opinion poll. All of the pundits seem to

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be of this opinion that Marine Le Pen is

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almost certainly going to get through

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the first round and then in the final

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round it's going to be Marine Le Pen

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versus either Fran Fion or more likely

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Emanuel Macron. I think we can. I know

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you say he can make a comeback, but

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we're talking about a 1 million euro

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scandal here. Not just the 800,000 to

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the wife, but

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110,000 from a magazine owned by a

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billionaire friend of Fong for which she

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wrote two book reviews. It's said by the

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France's equivalent of private eye,

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Lukanard Onan. and then the two children

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who were employed at state expense. I

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myself think we can rule him out. If I'm

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right, bear with me. That leaves then uh

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Hamong Macron uh fighting for the right

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to contest against uh Marine Le Pen. In

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circumstances, surely Macron would be

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more likely to get center and moderate

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right support than Hammon would. Am I

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right so far? Well, this is certainly

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one way of interpreting it that Macron

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is more likely to appeal to uh more

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rational voters who don't want to

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associate themselves with the ethnic

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nationalism of the front national. But

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one thing that I think we have to

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consider in the European elections this

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year, not just France, but also in the

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Netherlands and Germany later this year

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is that we're seeing the rise of

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populist parties which defy

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categorization according to the old

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leftright spectrum. Well, in this way we

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can compare them almost to Trump and

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Sanders, the supporters of Trump and

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be able to put them in a a framework of

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reference. So we will still term people

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like Macron a bit more leftwing, people

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like Le Pen a bit more right-wing, but

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they are able they are able to appeal to

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the disenchanted and abandoned working

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class. Well, the the French Communist

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Party's voting base, it said, I don't

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know the stats, maybe you do, is voting

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heavily for Le Penh

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because its blue collar workingass

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uh base uh was left basically without a

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home when communists ceased to be

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communists, when socialists cease to be

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socialists, which is precisely the

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phenomenon that we saw with Brexit where

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we saw a very curious phenomenon of the

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hard left and the hard right suddenly

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finding themselves

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unholy alliance. I'm not that hard. Um

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the but this phenomenon also worked for

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Trump. Trump was elected in the

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industrial states of America precisely

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the postindustrial states of America. So

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the traditional uh electorate who would

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vote for the leftwing candidates. We can

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no longer predict what they're going to

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do. Now we can try and think of some

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scenarios of what's going to happen in

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the French elections. It's almost

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certain that Marine Le Pen is going to

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get through the first round and make it

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into a final contest against Emanuel

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Macron because I think Fion can be

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discounted. You don't think Hammon can

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uh there is there is a strong

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possibility and the elections are still

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a long way off. A lot can change in that

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time, but either way, Marine Le Pen is

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going to be up against uh another

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outsider from the establishment. Now,

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there are two possible scenarios that

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will happen here. one, the one that

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seems most likely at the moment is that

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Marine Le Pen will lose. Now, if she

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loses, this does not mean that France's

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problems have gone away, that France is

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suddenly fully in support of the

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European Union, uh that France is

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entirely behind the leader that they've

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chosen. If she wins, then that's the end

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of the European Union. We can safely say

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that the EU can exist quite happily

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without Britain. Our departure might

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even make the EU a little stronger

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because it removes the prime object uh

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the country which has most frequently

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objected to further integration. If

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France leaves, that's the end of it. So

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if she wins, that will happen. But if

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she fails and uh and let's say Emanuel

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Macron or Benoir Hammond win who are

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both pro pro-EU exactly both pro EU but

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they're going to be faced with a very

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difficult scenario where they're

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governing a country where a huge number

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of voters have expressed deep resentment

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45% uh at least I would exactly so

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there's still going to be a lot of

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political support for the front national

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and this is going to make a severe

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challenge for whoever is able to defeat

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Le Pen in the past it's been when the

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word was tossed around uh the FN was

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described as a fascist party. I myself

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think that that is no longer accurate.

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collaboration with Hitler and with

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anti-semitism and so on. How much will

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that prove to be a millstone around her

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neck? Of course, this is correct. the

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front national comes out of a

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collaborationist anti-semitic

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organization. But the same accusations

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of uh ethnic bias, of racism, of

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classism were being leveled at the leave

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campaign in Brexit and at Mr. Trump in

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the United States. And both of those

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were able to survive that. And in some

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unpleasant uh scenarios, it may be that

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people were so fed up of being termed

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these words that they ended up throwing

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their support in behind Trump and behind

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leave. So, Marine Le Pen, so throwing

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these words around no longer works if it

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ever did. No, I don't think it has the

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same impact anymore. Now, if Marine Le

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Pen had been running in the French

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election, say 5 10 years ago,

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accusations of uh racism and

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anti-semitism would have destroyed her

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campaign. Now, I think that Europe is

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moving towards an atmosphere in which

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people have people have become tired of

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these terms and they're no longer afraid

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of being called this. What can you tell

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us about Francis, Jeremy, Corbin? What

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are the similarities? Some similarities

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is that he will have a wide appeal

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outside of the establishment consensus.

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being postindustrial countries. France

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on the Mediterranean coast where people

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feel abandoned by the metropolitan elite

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in Paris and want an alternative. We

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complain in Britain about the dominance

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of London. that is nothing compared to

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the French in the dominance of Paris

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where outside of Paris you might as well

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be living on the moon according to

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French politics. So he will be able to

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appeal to a very broad electorate who

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are disenchanted with the metropolitan

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elite. However, the same disillusioned

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electorate are also going to turn

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towards Marine Le Pen who is very very

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clever at portraying herself as a woman

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of the people not of the establishment.

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Dr. But first, it's going to be a

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fascinating teaser and we must have you

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back to talk about the Dutch election

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where the right-wing candidate Gilders

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Holland. A very worrying precedent. Very

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nice to see you again. Thanks for

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joining us on the spot, Nick. Thank you.

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Coming up next, it's the king of British

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Welcome back to Sputnik. He's loud,

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brash, opinionated, controversial, and

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absolutely unmissable. And Donald Trump

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is much the same. James Whale has been

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the master of British radio airwaves for

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decades. And he's my colleague again at

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Talk Radio, as he was at Talk Sport

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before that. In fact, if it wasn't for

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him, I might not be on the radio at all.

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Earlier this week, he and I had a

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spirited discussion about Donald Trump.

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so good we just had to do it again with

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moving pictures. James, an honor to have

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you here. Our argument about Donald

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Trump wasn't just about the politics.

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And I I don't really want to talk about

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the politics. I want to talk about the

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man, the personality, the phenomenon.

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Because I think we both agree that this

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is an age, an era in which your

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mainstream politician just doesn't cut

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it anymore. the people are mad as hell

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and they're not going to put up with it

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anymore. Is that your view? I think

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you're right. I think

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um I think uh almost anybody who is like

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you, George, a great orator, a man who

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can actually infuse the audience uh

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could if they wanted to or a woman who

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could infuse the a could if they wanted

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to move into politics. People are fed up

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uh with professional politicians. You

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know our politicians tend to come from

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political advisors who came from

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political students uh and then they

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become politicians. Not all I mean there

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are some great politicians around but

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there is this kind of uh professional

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politician it is their career and I

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think being being a public servant that

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must be more of a calling mustn't it? It

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must be something you want to do for

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your fellow man and woman rather than it

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being a career. And that's why Trump is

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so hamfisted about things and so kind of

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slightly inarticulate, shooting from the

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hip, using the wrong words, tweeting

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instead of calling or writing or having

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a meeting and so on. It's because he

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isn't really a politician. So he's he's

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doing things in a way which is

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completely alien to the media the

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mainstream media class even at our radio

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station which is hardly part of the you

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know mainstream. Uh I can sense that

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people are really hostile to Trump.

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They're really hostile to the sometimes

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ugliness of how he expresses things. He

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has uh as has Jeremy Corbyn, if you

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like, risen on a wave of public opinion

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which a lot of people may not agree

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with, but they have been able to um to

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galvanize that that sort of support the

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same way uh that we have voted to leave

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the European Union with a lot of people

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not actually thinking about the

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ramifications and we won't go into that

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now, but the same way with Donald Trump.

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Listen, we've been doing badly. He can

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get us jobs. He's going to make America

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great again. We are all going to benefit

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again. Now, it might be great that

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somebody who isn't a politician,

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although I'm not sure that businessmen

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aren't fairly political. Exactly. That's

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what I see. But, you know, he isn't

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going to be able to deliver on an awful

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lot of what he does. And if he carries

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on the way he is, isn't he in danger of

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becoming a dictator? Well, there is a

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danger. Max Kaiser said to me this week

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uh that he's going to be Yeah. He's

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terrific. Uh that he's running for

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office by the way. He's running for

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Yeah. in North Carolina. Uh he was

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making the point that Trump is

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definitely going to test the

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constitution. But then the constitution

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isn't working. The political system

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isn't working. In fact, it's broken. and

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Brexit and Trump and Le Pen perhaps in

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France, they're emerging from the

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wreckage of that broken system. And the

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danger is of course dictatorship, but

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it's also that populism can whip up some

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very dark forces uh in Well, that's what

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worries me. And this is what worries me

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about Brexit in a way, too. that there

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are people now who think for some reason

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if they don't like a foreigner or a

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country that if it carries on the way it

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is they can just be rude to them

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disregard them or blame them and you

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know at the moment in this country

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somebody comes along um I mean I know

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Nigel Farage quite well as do you I like

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Nigel I might not agree with his

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politics but he is again a good ortor a

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man who speaks about what he feels I

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don't think by the way he is a nasty

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person or believes in in in some of the

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things that other people who support him

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think. On the other hand, I actually

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think from what Donald Trump says, he

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actually believes he can do whatever he

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wants and he can actually blame part of

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society, i.e. in this case, Muslims, for

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all the ills that are affecting America

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when it really hasn't got very much to

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do with them at all. He is uh of course

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uh scapegoating Muslims. There's no

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doubt about that. So far, only verbally.

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He's not bombing and invading them like

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previous uh presidents. But I wanted to

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test you on his other favorite whipping

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boy, which is the media, he has decided

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that rather than sit through a hostile

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interview with a newspaper that's read

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by not very many and staffed entirely by

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the creatures of the elite, he's just

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going over their heads. And even at a

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press conference, he's not really

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talking to them. He's talking over their

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heads to the people. Is there any scope

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for that in in British politics, do you

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think? I think actually, you know, that

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he doesn't even use the official pres

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presidential uh Twitter account. He just

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uses his own Twitter account. Exactly.

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Yeah. I think it's already happening,

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George. You tweet out, I tweet out. Um,

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I don't think that the the so-called

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mainstream media, the ones who look down

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on tabloidism, whatever that might be, I

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mean, I think I'm very tabloid. You're

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probably quite tabloid as well, aren't

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you? Do you think we're tabloid? Nothing

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wrong with a tabloid. Exactly. 40,000

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Frenchmen. Exactly. Exactly. I I I think

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it's already happening. I think a lot of

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those people perhaps who buy and read

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the Guardian will be very upset to find

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out that

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I wouldn't think very many people who go

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to vote read the Guardian at all. Um, in

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fact, whenever I do a paper review for a

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television station, I never bother to

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look at it. Well, that's the fact that

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the the the experts, the pundits, uh,

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the political commentators and so on,

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they were all so wrong. I remember

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sitting in the RT studio when Sunderland

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was announced, the first result in the

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Brexit vote, and I told the host,

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"That's it. We're out." And even the

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host of RT couldn't quite believe that.

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Uh, and of course on the BBC and in the

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in the actual mainstream, uh, they

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reacted with horror. Uh, anyone who

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predicted, uh, the Brexit victory and

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the and the Trump victory. I mean,

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although I'm quite open and got into all

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sorts of trouble for my BBC show about

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it, I I'm was openly against leaving the

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European Union. Um, and which might be

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contrary to what people would think. And

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the reason I was against leaving the

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European Union, not because I think the

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European Parliament works well, it

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obviously it doesn't. It's too big and

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too unwieldly. But what worries me about

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today's society is nationalism and the

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growth of nationalism. And we were

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heading to be a world that was getting

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on with each other a lot better than we

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are now. The more nationalism there is,

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the more chance of a conflict. No doubt

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uh about that uh danger. What do you

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think is the future for British politics

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in that regard then because you have

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Theresa May who isn't Margaret Thatcher

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for all that the leader writers are

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trying to write her up. I knew Margaret

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Thatcher. Threesa May isn't Margaret

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Thatcher. So did I. And I'll tell you my

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two favorite politicians, Margaret

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Thatcher and Tony Ben. Because they were

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people of conviction. Yeah. And they

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were people who actually didn't have the

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benefits of uh an easy life. Tony Ben

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made it himself. I know he had a title

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and everything else, but he was Margaret

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Thatcher was the daughter of a green

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grosser. They actually knew a bit more

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about life. Yeah. But they were

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conviction politicians. You're right.

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They were. And we don't really I mean

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Jeremy Corbin is a conviction

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politician. Uh but the opinion polls

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indicate that not many people are are

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buying his shares in uh in Corbin. Well

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um I I you know Jeremy Corbyn well. I I

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interviewed him many many times before

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he became leader. Now he doesn't like to

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be interviewed so much. Um which I think

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is a big mistake. He was quite an

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entertaining and interesting

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interviewee.

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But oh, don't take this the wrong way,

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but he's not a leader. He cannot command

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an audience. He doesn't have whatever it

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is you have, George. Um, and what Nigel

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Farage has, there's something that you

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need to have to command.

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Or

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quality, as we're discussing, or the X

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factor. Well, the X factor is a good way

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of uh of putting it. Cuz if Simon Cow

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went into politics tomorrow, Simon Cal

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could become Donald Trump of the United

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Kingdom. Oh, don't give him ideas. Well,

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that was my that was my last question.

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Um, can people see, you are the king of

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radio? You've got an opinion on

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everything. You express it. I'm just

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like everybody else. And you and

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everybody else. If I sit in a pub with

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my mates, we're all having conversations

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like this. I'm just very lucky that I

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was never very well educated. So that I

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was just left to to to find jobs where I

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could talk my way into the My point is

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you could be the the Trump uh of Britain

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because Trump was the guy off the

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apprentice. Yeah. Of course he made a

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bit of money. I think not nearly as much

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as he claims he made, but his size of

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personality in America came through

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reality television. Wouldn't that be

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terrible? I for a joke when the London

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mayor was first announced, I actually

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said to Nigel Farage, "I'll be UKIP's

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candidate for mayor." And Mrs. W and I

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were driving to the ITN studios one

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night and she said to me, "Right, you

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have to stop this because they're

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beginning to take you

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seriously." And and so I did. If I've

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been I tell you what, George, I never

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thought about politics until I got I got

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into into what I do by being a DJ uh in

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the clubs, then getting to be a DJ on

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radio, then realizing that I I enjoyed

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talking more than playing records. If I

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had had a different sort of upbringing

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and different start in life, maybe I

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would have gone into politics. Well,

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never say never, James. uh because uh

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you're younger still than Donald Trump

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just and uh and a bit more uh fighting

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fit. James will king of radio. Thanks

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for joining us. My pleasure.

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And now it's your turn to tell us what

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you think through the portals of social

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media. What's rattling guy? First of

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France. be asked whether Benois ammo,

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the French Jeremy Corbin, whether he's

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going to change the course of the French

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presidential election. And Bongo says if

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he's anything like Corbin, then

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resoundedly no. Well, look, uh, uh,

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Benois has energized the party base,

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party faithful. So did Jeremy Corbin. So

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far, Corbin hasn't set a light the wider

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electorate's hopes and uh, wishes. Uh

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the big question is can Hammon now Trump

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is he heading for an early exit or is he

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actually an agent for change? Kate says

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Trump is supported by powerful forces. I

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reckon he's there for the long haul

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unless others take him out. Well, these

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are not mutually exclusive. He can be an

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agent for change and still be headed for

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an early exit. I fear uh for his safety.

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I think that there will be an attempt to

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get him out as having broken the

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constitution uh in some way, some kind

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of impeachment. Uh well, the whole the

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whole media hysteria is already that's

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what it's about. But if he goes the

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distance and gets through this, he might

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well be that agent for change. Well,

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that's all the tweets we have for today,

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which alas means that's all we've got

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time for. But you can stay in touch with

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us on Twitter and Instagram RT_Sputnik

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or on Facebook Sputnik on Russia Today.

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It's goodbye from me guyatri and from me

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George Galloway. It's been marvelous.

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