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welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world

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with me George Galloway and me gatri

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fresh from the AL jazer row over the

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alleged political activities of the

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Israeli Embassy in London it has emerged

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that the embassy of Japan has been

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paying a right-wing charity in London to

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Dish the dirt on China in the British

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satirical magazine private eye this week

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it is revealed that the Henry Jackson

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Society named after the 1970s cold

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warrior Congressman in the US has been

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paid 10,000 a month to place

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unflattering stories about China in the

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British media one of the strange fruits

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of their labor was an article in the

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Daily Telegraph by former Tater foreign

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minister Sir Malcolm riffkin attacking

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Chinese investment in Britain's power

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industry even stranger is the fact that

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Sir Malcolm and another cold warrior

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didn't actually write the article it was

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written according to private ey by the

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Henry Jackson Society Sir Malcolm of

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course knew nothing of the Japanese

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subvention stranger still though is that

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Sir Malcolm would go into print even if

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somebody else wrote the article with an

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anti-china piece as he was forced to

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step down from Parliament after being

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entrapped by a television camera

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offering to work for a fictitious

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Chinese company for £5,000 for a half

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day while still an MP sir Malcolm's son

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Hugo himself a satirist of note works

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for the Times which is never tired of

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trying to put RT off the air in London

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to make some sense of this strange Sushi

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diplomacy we welcome back our China

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expert Keith Bennett apologies for the

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sushi uh it's more a spaghetti Hoops

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Affair this uh than uh Sushi let's start

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with the obvious it's not very

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diplomatic is it for one foreign Embassy

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in London to pay a British charity money

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a lot of money to Dish the dirt on

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another country well it would seem to me

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to be highly irregular and just to put

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this into some kind of context one

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wonders what the response would be and

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what the relative level of publicity uh

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that would be given to this would be if

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the offending Embassy in question had

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proven to be the Russian or the Chinese

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embassies and of course uh it isn't one

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of the things apart from the perhaps you

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could say abuse of hospitality because

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an embassy is supposed to deal primarily

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with bilateral relations the abuse of uh

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Hospitality in order to pursue some

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other agenda of um of a particular

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country uh is the fact that it's also

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clearly corrupting of the of the

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political process uh in in our country

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if uh very prominent people are writing

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articles and we don't know who what the

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agenda is there who who is paying for it

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and if if uh on the surface of it they

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don't know uh themselves I think it's

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also not just about abuse of the

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Japanese Embassy if if this is true

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which it I see no reason to believe that

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it's not uh it's not only an abuse of

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their position here in order to attack

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China but it's also has a bilateral um

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aspect to it obviously in that according

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to the Sunday Times uh part of the

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message that was going out uh was that

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uh what the Japanese Embassy wanted to

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do was to undermine the view of the UK

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treasury primarily when George Osborne

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was the chancellor uh which saw that

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inward investment from China was

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important to address Britain's

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infrastructure uh deficit and and

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problems and and to counter this the

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Henry Jackson Society was claiming to

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have um you know intimate contacts uh in

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number 10 Downing Street so there was an

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element of number 10 number 11 rivalry

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going on here in which the Japanese

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appear to be up up to their necks again

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I would say if that was the um Chinese

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or the Russian or the Iranian Embassy

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some diplomats might have been on the

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plane home now but clearly there's a

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different rule for if you're represent

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pres in Japan or Israel yeah because

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this story in particular has had very

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little coverage as did the alaz Israel

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alaz case is another case in point I

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think the the parallels are um are quite

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uh striking not only in what the Israeli

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Embassy was up to what the Japanese

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Embassy was up to but also in in the

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response if you recall uh when uh I

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believe it was was Jeremy Corbin or

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possibly Emily Thornbury who who quite

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rightly said that this concerned a

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matter of National Security in terms of

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what the Israeli Embassy was up to we

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were told that number 10 considered the

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matter closed and one can um and on this

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case they haven't even considered it at

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all never mind opened it and then closed

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it uh quickly so galvanized Am I by the

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events of my life I hadn't actually

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thought of that point that you have made

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uh but xenoir the offic official Chinese

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agency described as surprising that this

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should happen in London to which I

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responded it may well be despicable uh

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but it's not surprising uh Britain's

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history with China the Opium Wars to the

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seizure of Hong Kong and and many other

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things the yanki incident um there has

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been a long history of uh London being

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deeply involved in in anti-chinese

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activities is it your point that this

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briefly looked like it was turning and

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some wished to sabotage it I think the

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Chinese are very good diplomats and I

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think that the word surprising here

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might be translated as

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unacceptable good

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one but uh clearly there is I think

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there are two aspects uh to this on on

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the one hand there is a great deal of um

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antipathy towards China in the British

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establishment uh at the same time there

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are people who've uh tried to pursue a

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more pragmatic course and clearly uh

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when George osor not only wanted to get

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considerable Chinese investment into the

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UK uh under Osborne Britain was the

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first member of the G7 to sign up for

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the Chinese initiated Asian

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infrastructure Investment Bank this

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clearly was not welcomed not only by a

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lot of people in Britain but also by

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and Sir Malcolm riffkin of course once

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apparently was in favor of that because

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he was more than willing to work for

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what turned out to be a fictitious

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Chinese company uh who wanted to pay him

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£5,000 for a half day's work uh in in

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order to facilitate Chinese trade and

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investment uh and business with

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Britain well that's one of the the uh

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the ironies of of of the situation is

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that um it would seem that

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somal is prepared to um be paid to

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publish articles in his name which he

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hasn't written attacking China but he

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money to Advocate the the interests of

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of a Chinese company a Chinese company

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which actually of course didn't exist at

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all it makes you wonder if these people

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have ever heard of Google when when the

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check is on the table uh

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but and in that uh uh what he in that

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approach from the supposed Chinese

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company he uh offered to go and speak to

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any Ambassador in London to to uh

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Advance their interests um I wonder if

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that included the Japanese ironically uh

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the the sting on sealcon was carried out

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by The Daily Telegraph which is the very

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P newspaper in which he published his

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article why Japan

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Japan is fully entitled to have its uh

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views about China or about Chinese

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policy and so on and on a bilateral

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basis they're they're they can get out a

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megaphone and shout it across the the

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streets uh but why would they choose

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London to to get involved in what

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frankly if anyone else were doing it

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would be described as a dirty tricks

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operation yeah and using a charity to

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get you know involved in politics that

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the other element of course well the

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Char itable status of the Henry Jackson

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Society is um is to promote um an

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interventionist and militaristic foreign

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policy in the name of of uh of democracy

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and human rights a kind of you know

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Unholy you know a sort of liberal

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interventionist in in the service of new

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former head William shoss is now the

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head of the charity commission so their

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charitable status might well be secure

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go on but um

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the what one of the issues that the

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shinoa news agency of China has raised

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is that if this is what the Japanese

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Embassy is up to in London uh who knows

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what activities uh the Japanese

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embassies in other countries are

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carrying out so it's not

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necessarily uh confined uh to London but

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clearly in the United Kingdom because of

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some of the his some of our history of

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relations with China which you've

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already referred to the they perhaps

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expected to find a a ready audience uh

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but as you say there are numerous

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bilateral and historical issues between

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Japan and China however it's interesting

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that one of the things uh that they that

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that Henry Jackson Society uh took on

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was the question of seeking to undermine

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the idea uh that uh Britain's

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infrastructure modernization would

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benefit from Chinese inward investment

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got nothing to do with ch with Japan at

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all no it's none of Japan's business

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whether China is able to get a stake in

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Britain's power industry in the Malcolm

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riffkin article which he didn't write

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and didn't know that the people who did

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write it were being paid by Japan to

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write it I told you it was a spaghetti

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hoop uh he said that the Chinese might

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switch off our lights if they were

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allowed to take a stake in Britain's

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power generation uh uh business

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is that kind of propaganda having any

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any traction well I think it's I think

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it's very hyperbolic uh to say the least

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uh for a start actually if this H if

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hinley point doesn't go ahead it's more

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like the the more pertinent question is

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how will we keep our lights on uh

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secondly with regard to hinley point the

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only Chinese role in it is financing and

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the company that's actually doing it is

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the French state-owned company so if

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anybody would have the ability to turn

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the lights off in Britain if it goes

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ahead is actually the French ah cue to

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throwing up of hands in horror at the

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Daily Telegraph oh my goodness so we've

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gone from Sushi to a spaghetti hoop to a

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a French Ragu Keith Bennett thanks very

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much for coming on board this pleasure

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coming up next the liberalization of the

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left don't miss

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liberalization of the left which I date

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indeed in Britain is a direct

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consequence of that Retreat of the left

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a new book explores this thesis which is

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gaining considerable traction the book

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is the rise of of the right English

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nationalism and the transformation of

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workingclass politics and one of its

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co-authors joins us now here is

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Professor Steve Hall of the University

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of tside and he's most welcome on board

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the Sputnik thanks as my thesis and your

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thesis uh has a lot of overlap we can

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kind of uh park it and encourage people

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to buy and read the book I want to ask

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if you if you like a theoretical

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question first uh this descent Retreat

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call it what you will into liberalism by

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the left it's a result isn't it of a

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collapse of confidence in the idea of an

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alternative system to the capitalist

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system under which we live I think

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that's a that's a good basis um I think

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there it's a think of it as a river with

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many tributaries think of the middle

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class liberal take takeover of the left

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at various points in British history

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1905 the labor party taken over by

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fabians who wrote the script for the

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labor party the workingclass voice was

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basically suffocated from that point

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onwards the working class tend to be

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rather socially conservative so they

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were a fun you know fundamental Target

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of the liberalization another Point

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Stuart Hall's introduction to the the

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new Left review in 1960 we can't have

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state politics we can't have class

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politics look out to culture youth

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subculture and just look for little bits

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of resistance where we can find and

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hopefully this rainbow Alliance will

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magically appear in the future well it

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didn't here we are uh with work in class

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without had no confidence no voice and

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no proper representation uh Euro

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communism again um which grew out of the

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was influenced by the American

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counterculture the American

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counterculture was never a leftwing

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movement it was a Libertarian movement

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it was personal Liberation yeah yes you

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know smoke as much weed as you possibly

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can and and free it was an easy it was

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easy rider I suppose was the was the

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icon of the counter had nothing to do

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with the left so so gradually the left

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was eaten Away by various liberal forces

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and turned into a branch of liberalism

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the

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Californication uh of the left I used to

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call it but this

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Californication uh has led to an

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obsessive concentration on issues of

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gender sexuality orientation the transse

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sectional nature of some of these things

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you get my drift and we end up a left

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that's obsessed with safe spaces and uh

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and uh kicking people off University

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platforms uh none of which does much to

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attract support amongst the working

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class no of course the the great

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political road to Freedom the gend the

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gender neutral toilet I mean you know

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which which I'm sure someone will have

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you know whole course people having

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babies no longer being allowed

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to mothers whatever yes there's none of

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this interested the work in class the

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the class are interested in in jobs

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they're interested in security and

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stability they were slightly socially

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conservative and okay they were there

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were residues of sexism racism

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homophobia in the working class but that

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was something to work on these were

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cultural issues had nothing to do with

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politics cultural and politics became

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intertwined French there as Jean Boda

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called this transp partition were going

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from one thing to another and just

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melding them together all of a sudden

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politics be became culture culture

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became politics and then nobody knew

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what was going on so uh the working

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class completely lost confidence they

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look in sort of consternation at this

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sort of thing I remember being on a

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democracy day watching in was 1984 or

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five on Ken Livingston was as Greatland

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Council was was about to um to to go

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down the Swan and remember going past a

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bunch of MIM artists and they were very

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clever it was very nice and a bunch of

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firemen walking past the mine arst and

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thinking that's very nice but what is it

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what are they going on about art it's

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art yes and we all need art and and you

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know we all need ways of communicating

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but this had nothing to do then the

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cleavage between the middle class

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liberal left and and the workingclass

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left so hit me in the face that days

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what the the Coalition that was the

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broadly described as the left let's call

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it the labor party the labor movement it

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did uh survive uh until the 80s I I knew

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both Harold Wilson and James cigan very

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well both of them were socially

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conservative people but who knew uh

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especially Wilson that you needed to as

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it were add bits on to the working class

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you had to add on uh friendly

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intellectuals friendly upper class

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people uh friendly single issue people

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and so on to make a coalition that could

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win power Mr cigan was much more

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socially conservative than Mr Wilson yes

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but he still had a conception that the

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labor movement needed to be based on and

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centered with the working class that

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without the working class the trade

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unions all the rest was just a tray of

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sand blowing in the in the wind it died

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didn't it with the rise of eurocommunism

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Marxism today their influence on Neil

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kinnick and for me it's kind of all been

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downhill since and even Jeremy Corbin my

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old friend hasn't really arrested that

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uh drift yet at least

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no no he hasn't Jeremy's a nice chat and

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I rejoined the labor party to vote for

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him I left in in 83 when kin came on the

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scene um I was very keen on on Tony Ben

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and and others at the time um but I

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think what happened was that this

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strange Beast that uh the American

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political uh philosopher Nancy Fraser

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call neoliberal progressivism happened

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well all of these cultural issues were

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taken up by people who were essentially

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neoliberals they were thatcherites the

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rites and they were just as good at

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presenting these cultural issues as the

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left why not because these people who

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are gay people who are women are have

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all sorts of political Shades you know

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they they're not all left Wingers so the

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whole thing was upended you know it was

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raced off on a tangent and it became a

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cultural movement Euro communism

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certainly helped but I think the most

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powerful force in in at that time what

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was what Vasa calls neoliberal

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progressivism and you now have the um

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the women's March in in um the USA the

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other day which was a fantastic display

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of of of of of protest but really look

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at who we got Madonna and and Ashley Jud

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and these people they not the left they

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have nothing to do with the working

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class and and it's all of a sudden it's

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it's been hijacked by the the working

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class voted for Trump because he

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promised them he might not uh deliver of

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course probably won't deliver but he

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promis them their jobs back oh jobs

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yes the the Tweet of the year was sent

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to me the other day by someone who said

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uh I'm an Iraqi and it's reassuring to

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know that those who destroyed my country

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were completely against sexism and

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racism exactly and that's where we end

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nice to know Hillary's bombs are

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feminist bombs Hillary Clinton the

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bomber Barack Obama the bomber they were

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really cool on issues of race and

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sexuality uh except for the people of

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all Sexes race and orientations that

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they were killing with their they're

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over there I often wondered what why the

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the streets weren't full of protesters

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when Hillary Clinton I don't if you saw

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this was filmed celebrating the death of

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GFI who's a human being you know

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whatever anyone thinks of him and he was

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brutely murdered and what was it we came

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said we came saw we saw he died and how

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she laughed it was quite horrific it is

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uh an extraordinary business where does

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it all end Professor um is the left

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gone for good are we looking at a future

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of lens and

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ukps and Builders and Builders and uh

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the afd in Germany and so on is it

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possible for the left in your view from

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your phenomenal amount of research

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that's gone into this book for the left

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to be reconstructed rebuilt people

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accuse us of being ble we've been

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writing about this for 20 years this is

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the first trade Publications getting in

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the public eye selling very well There's

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Hope um and I voted for Corbin uh it

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it's like you know what I like about you

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is your girlfriend what I like with

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Corin cor Corin is McDonald and his

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National Investment Bank and Regional

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investment Banks if we can start talking

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sense again if we can start talking

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about investment because don't forget

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that this problem is a problem of

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globalization free finance Capital can

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invest wherever he wants it doesn't have

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to invest in the north of England or in

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the rust Bel in America that's the

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that's the basis of the whole problem

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what yanar farus called the the reversal

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of the global flows of trade Capital

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once we made over here and sold over

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there now it's now it's the other way

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around and we borrow the money from them

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to buy the stuff they're making it's

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crazy and then this you know it's nuts

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it's unsustainable if we can invest in

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places if we can start speaking of the

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working class like we care about them

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and if this can be manifested in in in

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real jobs in in Hope for the future

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workingclass Hall was run on hope that's

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for the children will the children do

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better than me my dad was a in a mining

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industry he fixed steam engines and he

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was made redundant I got steel works for

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half the wages but he thought I wonder

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if I'm going to do better or just at

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least just as well but that's now not

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happening it's you know the the worried

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about the Next Generation our children

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and by the grace of God I have a lot of

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young children yeah they are by no means

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guaranteed a life as good as mine uh

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maybe because they're mine they'll do a

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little bit better but if I were an

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industrial worker as my father was yeah

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uh it was an axom that I was going to do

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better than he did it's no longer the

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case absolutely we we we need to get

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back to a program of mass Council house

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building at least social housing jobs at

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Fair wages and Trade union

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representation for everybodys but what

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sort of jobs George what the neoliberals

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said in the 80s was all sudden we're

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going to take these Mass industrial

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workers and they're all going to become

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computer programmers or they're all

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going to sell hair ice yeah whatever it

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didn't work it was nuts how could anyone

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think for one minute that a service

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economy is going to replace all of those

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steady secure industrial jobs especially

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up north where I came from come on

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Parson from my point of view brexit whil

547
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it's necessary it's not sufficient but

548
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:52,320
it is necessary allows the possibility

549
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of rebuilding our manufacturing industry

550
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in a way that the EU simply would have

551
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forbidden would have been illegal and

552
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possibly supported by a universal BAS

553
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basic income as a temporary stop Gap to

554
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to lift people out of this poverty and

555
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despair because some of the places up in

556
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the old County Durham Coffield where I

557
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was born you know they've been falling

558
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into bids for 30 years so if we can do

559
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that if they're serious about this the

560
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national Investment Bank the regional

561
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investment Banks um then we might just

562
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be able to do some because there we're

563
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not as Bleak as everyone says we are we

564
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do do have a little bit of hope I'm not

565
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holding your breath um and I'll leave

566
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the labor party as soon as it doesn't

567
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happen professor all it's a a real

568
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pleasure talking to you and everyone

569
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should buy that

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book and now it's your turn to tell us

572
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what you think through the portals of

573
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social media what's ratling gy first off

574
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the sushi SL

575
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spaghetti diplomacy in London raymon

576
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delone says Sir Malcolm Rifkin was chair

577
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of intelligence committee when the money

578
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helped Inspire errors of judgment it is

579
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reassuring uh that the man looking after

580
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our intelligence Services was so easily

581
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duped by a camera up the jumper and so

582
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ready to work for the Chinese ready

583
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anytime and then about the

584
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liberalization of the left Sean Richie

585
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says forget left right or Center Jeremy

586
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Corbin will prosper because of honesty

587
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integrity and good principles well

588
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that's one way of looking at it I

589
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personally very much hope so that's all

590
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the TW we have for today which alas

591
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means that's the end of the show but you

592
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can stay in touch with us on Twitter and

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Instagram rtor Sputnik or Facebook

594
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Sputnik on Russia today it's goodbye

595
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from me gri and for me George Galloway

596
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it's been marvelous

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