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welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world
with me George Galloway and me gayatri
the EU crisis goes on and on
brexit anti EU governments in Hungary
and Austria skeptics in power in
Portugal insurrection and repression in
Spain Greece sullen and broken and now
Italy the election of a viable coalition
government of the populace left and
right may have been scuppered by the
president of Italy who acting under
pressure from the markets and from
Brussels has vetoed the coalition choice
of Finance Minister on the grounds of
his hostility to the euro to German
domination of the EU and all-round
euro scepticism the president's first
ploy was to install a former IMF
austerity candidate as a technocrat
Prime Minister followed by new elections
but now both the president and the
putative PM may be rowing back joining
us now to discuss the imbroglio is
Federico Gotti London correspondent of
Mediaset the major Italian broadcaster
welcome onboard the sputnik I know this
story is developing by the hour but what
are the no likely chances of a deal
being reached between the coalition and
the President and kindly give us your
take on what the coalition now will look
like ok it's hard to say if in the next
few hours there will be a government by
5 star movement and Northern League they
have been trying for almost three months
88 days and they're making a lot of
efforts but not enough to calm and ease
for example the market turmoils or the
public opinion now the only way forward
will be to put aside mr. Simona who has
been in the news because of his
political ideas about Euro and put him
not in the position that it was supposed
to go
the finance minister by
another position in this way they could
reach an agreement a five star movement
and Northern League and put forward a
list of minister and the government who
that actually could have problems in
reaching those structural reforms that
Italy must have because the majority in
the parliament won't be as good as they
thought or as good as Italy needs so it
will be a kind of caretaker government
in the next few months and this is
exactly what Italy should not hope for
you see it wouldn't be a big enough
majority that's true but if the five
star movement and the league are
supported by or at least not opposed by
others they do have a workable
parliamentary majority treasom a would
be very happy to have a majority like
that and the British Parliament yeah
also because the Maya during the
campaign the leader of five star
movement said that he will kind of stay
on the side of the bracket ears and the
UK because there is a sentiment of an TE
you both in the UK with resume and the
Braxtons negotiation both in Italy with
this populist parties now this is a
crucial point in this agenda it's a
crucial element because let's say let's
see what happened with shabanam Savona
mr. Savona
he's a well known technocrat he's been
in prominent roles in Italy for almost
30 years and as soon as his name came up
as a possible finance minister the
markets in the whole world started to
show elements of turmoil because in the
past up until two years ago he said
something like we should get as soon as
five star movement and the Northern
League will have government created a
government a secret meeting with all the
ministers in the night and Guerra we get
out of Euro without saying it to anybody
so he
this position nowadays but it was enough
to get Brussels and the bigger investors
to feel a bit uncomfortable the spread
when crazy went 320 points the whole
market situation was unpredictable and
became to put pressure on material and
that's why mattarella
does the president the president of
Italy who should guarantee a neutrality
position said I will save the money in
the Italians current account I will
preserve the financial interest and I
will preserve the market position
towards Italy and I will exclude I will
put my veto on mr. support well this is
the perfect dichotomy isn't it you have
public opinion and elections on one side
and markets on the other money talks and
presumably the electorate take second
place isn't this quintessentially the
problem in the EU of all the Italian
electorate so conclude exactly that's
that's the hot topic that's the crucial
point and it's a philosophical question
whether this can be called a democracy
so we don't live according to some or
most part of the Italian public in a
direct democracy but is a democracy that
has been indirect where the markets play
the greater role and this is the nature
of all the anti-eu sentiments that made
the five star movement and the Northern
League success in this elections on the
4th of March it's easy to see that
democracy in Italy in Greece has been
put on a side in favor of the markets
now
there is a funny thing about five star
movement and Northern League they up
until two years ago proposed referendum
against the EU and against the euro now
they had to suppress these ideas in
order to get more votes but if you see
it at the science mister Savona and
anti-eu expert on economics if you see
the five star movement t-shirts and low
guns up until last year let's get out of
you if you see the Northern League
programs up until 2013 they all were
leading towards let's get out of Europe
because if you see at the data euro is
not helping the Italian economy now if
you see the manufacturing basis since
the arrived of the euro it was a cut by
1/4 there are a lot of major companies
Italian companies that couldn't keep up
with the depths and with the implication
of the euro and had to be sold attached
a mentee and others so euro didn't help
the structural basis of sivanna right
when he said that the the euro exists to
serve the German economy not the
economies of countries like Italy well
it's not up to me to say if is right or
wrong but this is exactly the sentiment
that the five star movement and the know
the league could cease now tone is that
sentiment
sorry go according to the latest poll
the 60% of the Italian people doesn't
want to get out of Euro but the 35%
think that Europe must be changed in
order to have a political and social
alliance that doesn't get
certain nations to flourish let certain
nation to be still a majority sentiment
that something needs to be absolutely
yes yes yes indeed overwhelmingly and
not just in Italy I mean this is what I
began by saying that this crisis is now
becoming all enveloping the former
socialist countries are revolting
against refugee and immigration issues
and being propelled to power on them
great and historic members of the EU
like Italy are electing politicians
whether they've suppressed or not there
are true intentions to electoral
majorities and Britain is leaving
whatever way you look at it the EU has a
very serious problem on its hands and
that's something that the brexit ears
are looking with a lot of attention
Europe wish to get to an existential
crisis now possibly this Italian crisis
and the Greek situation will force
Europe to rethink about its structure
and its identity it will have some
effects also on the black sectors
because maybe Europe will say maybe we
have a big actually we have a bigger
problem now and it will ease the
position towards the UK or since what is
striking about Europe is that since
brexit day for once made it possible to
become a block it's incredible so
probably they will lose this position
and will they will not be able to make a
stand against the UK or you know the
scenario they want to punish that we
want to punish the UK even more to
discourage other countries to do the
same it's an existential crisis of the U
and
markets are playing the biggest role so
it's bound to get a situation in which
all the political classes has either to
break it from the you either to go with
it
Italy tried with mister sivanna with but
they failed and you can see the effects
with the spread which is a different
between the German bond the German bonds
and Italian bonds were 320 on Monday if
that number gets to 500 or more Italy
cannot assess the Constantine system so
it's default you know so it's it's very
difficult something wrong with a bit of
default in my view let me let me just
ask you a final question and a very
brief answer please if there are new
elections will five star and the league
win again five star will be still
probably the first party but the
centre-right coalition will be more than
40 percent according to a latest poll so
it we could happens that the
centre-right coalition which is League
brothers of Italy and Forza Italia
Berlusconi's Party will have the mandate
to govern and pushing the 5 star
movement to the position this is the
most likely scenario and that might be
the best scenario for the 5 star
coalition in my view but that's a matter
for me and not for you I'm deeply
grateful to you for your voice for
having me and your time thanks for
joining us thank you coming up next are
we when saving the world find out after
the break
you
welcome back to Sputnik breaking the
glass ceiling the long-awaited
breakthrough of women to the top in the
professions has been more talked about
them realized
although Britain has a woman head of
state and a woman Prime Minister only a
fool would say that women run Britain
our guest today is no fool and that's
the last claim that she would make for
her breaking the glass ceiling is
necessary to save the world so much so
that the title of her new book is saving
the world she's Paula Deanna author
entrepreneur motivational speaker and
all-round ceiling breaker and she's
onboard the sputnik Paula thanks it's an
amazing book that's already attracting a
great deal of interest you even got on
the back someone from the SAS saying
that he couldn't keep his hands off the
book which came as a bit of a surprise
to me because the SAS are not
particularly women friendly in what way
is this going to save the world if we
can break this glass ceiling it's a big
claim it's a realistic claim because the
women will help all of us to create a
better world for everyone not only for
women but for children and for men this
is a time we we lived for centuries
without the talent of women because the
pacheco society literally closed us
inside the houses and look what we have
now we have a culture all based on power
or war we don't really have real
happiness even when we have money we
need the values that women cherish the
most
we need more compassion more sharing
more empathy more love that's why we
need women everywhere at the top and of
course in every kind of job so we need
to give them the chance to express their
talents and the world would be a better
world for everyone I'm sure 100 percent
and this is already happening
so women empowerment
it's the most disruptive force that we
are facing now more than technology
seriously we are shaping society and we
are changing it
think about domestic violence it's a
real plug not only in the UK but in
every country in Italy my native country
in Russia everywhere and we are not
talking too much so much about a time
where our governments are not doing
enough in order to stop it but you know
what will help stop in domestic violence
empowering women because a woman when
she's empowered when she has
economically independence she will stop
her husband to her man who is violent
she will say enough you know you get out
from this house because I have the money
I have the power to live without you
here you know beating me and my children
so everything will change
now many women they're just scared and
they have no money they don't know what
to do and they stay in these families
you know with this violent man and they
do anything so that's why we need to
help women to get empowered also to have
a more peaceful society and I can't
force were to break in now because I
could answer you with two words Margaret
Thatcher
i sat in Parliament under the
Premiership of Margaret Thatcher who was
very definitely a woman but who was as
violent aggressive rough disruptive in a
very negative way so empowering Margaret
Thatcher neither liberated women nor men
in fact it tore British society asunder
I understand what you're saying in fact
one of the theorem my book is that we
don't need only one woman we need a
critical mass of women in politics
because only a critical mass will really
change politics the case of Margaret
Thatcher was good for herself but of
course she wasn't a feminist and as you
say she wasn't really you know sharing
the values that are typical of women and
I can quote here Simone de Beauvoir and
she said that it's not enough to born
female to be a woman you need more to
become a real
and empower woman an enlightening woman
you need culture you need education you
need to be a feminist because being a
feminist means dealing and wanting and
and really fighting for equality for
everyone not only for women but for men
as well so maybe my knowledge as well
exactly you could be and should be a
feminine grateful tell you that in one
of his great songs said you say you want
a revolution but how do you treat your
woman back home and there's a lot of
left-wing men that want a revolution and
might even agree with you on the the
theoretical level in everything that
you've just said but they don't act like
that at home and that's true in Britain
might also be true in Italy is it yes
Italy has a very very difficult
situation right now you know data says
that every three days in Italy man kela
woman especially ex-boyfriend a day
ex-husband yes it's incredible
it's really incredible it's so sad
that's why my next book would be all
about femicide and domestic violence
because it's a social emergency we need
to do something our governments are not
doing enough and in order to face this
kind of emergency we need to invest more
money in education because we need to
educate this boys since they're little
when they're young we need to tell them
that I have to respect women we need to
explain to them why women's rights are
so important and also we need to help
girls to feel empowered know and to feel
that more confident because there is a
huge cultural bias against women and we
are seriously enslaved by this culture
we don't even understand many times that
we are slaved because we society wants
us to be perfect once has to be all the
time super skinny forever young all
things that are completely unrealistic
and many girls especially when they're
teenagers
they feel that they don't love
themselves they feel that the body is
not perfect so they feel weak and they
come become empowered also because of
that because you know self-love is the
beginning is the most important thing so
you need to be confident in order to
become ambitious and then reach whatever
you want in life that's very important
and we need to help our girls especially
to become self-confidence let me ask you
about the critical mass point again I
sat in Parliament when a huge influx of
labour women MPs came in there when they
were known rather insultingly as Blair's
babes there were 105 of them I think
maybe 101 certainly more than 100 when
it came to the Iraq war 97 of them voted
for the Iraq war so I'm having
difficulty with your premise that women
have less aggressive less warlike yeah
less violent values and from my policy
from my point of view that men don't
have them which is also worrying by the
way men kill men every couple of hours
in London these days mother is is gender
neutral in that respect
not really we come back about this after
but let me please it's playing something
regarding what you say to me so I
understand your point of view but you're
only basing this on your personal
experience and my point of view at the
point of view of an historian because I
started history and history of religions
and this is my background so I see the
big picture through centuries I really
look at that and in every nations not
only in the UK of course not in a short
period and I can promise you that
critical mass of women will change and
actually is change in the society so
it's not enough to see 97 women because
you also have to see that the party they
were they were answering to the party
and the boss of the party was a man so
always think where is the real power the
real power is in the hands
the head of the party now I already can
see why you're a motivational speaker
and I already know that you're a very
powerful writer but you're also an
entrepreneur another pretty male
preserve tell us about that
yes I'm intrapreneur and a businesswoman
and I started in Italy at the most
difficult country to become a female
entrepreneur so I always say if I
succeeded there I can succeed everywhere
in the world and I actually have clients
everywhere in the world especially in
Russia because I deal with luxe and
luxuries so I provide recruitment of
high-end houses stuff for clients
worldwide I provide headhunting of the
most incredible pas and EAS and
secretarial staff again around the ward
and I offered through Cee Lo's my luxury
brand management lifestyle management to
families in family offices who are
coming to London especially and her
trouble in the world and they want to do
it in style and really enjoy their life
so so you've already broken the glass
ceiling yeah what about the working
woman who's watching this working in a
factory in a shop in an office 9:00 till
5:00 if they're lucky
what's your what's your message to them
how did they break their glass ceiling
first of all believe in yourself always
even when people tell you no you're not
worth it no you won't do it to know you
won't reach it always believe in
yourself you know look at yourself in
the mirror and say I would do that I
will win and then never give up because
everyone even me we always have our
times you know when you feel weak when
the world seems crushing on us you have
to stand still and be stronger than ever
so the more the game is difficult the
more you have to play hard and and then
just do what you love have a passion and
change don't be scared of changes never
be scared of changing because out there
there might be the occasion of your life
so I'll add the other
author speaker and entrepreneur thanks
for coming thank you very much and now
it's your turn to tell us what you think
through the portals of social media
what's rattling gayatri so what's going
on it was going to happen in Italy FRA
who says without concessions to those
elected by the Italian people we will
have a destabilized Italy lurching
further to the right via populism not
what anyone wants I'd imagine
I think it's the wrong definition of
populism but then I'm governed by
Britain's broadcasting rules so I can't
go too deeply into that so then our
women better leaders democracy in the UK
now says Indira Gandhi benazir bhutto
Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner just in
our other great leaders not because
they're woman but because they had had
the compassion to represent their people
in the courage to stand by their
convictions very well put couldn't put
it better myself and shan't try to well
that's all the time we've got for today
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