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I get

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welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world

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with me George Galloway and me gri

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Shaker Amar an innocent man spent 14

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years in illegal detention and endured

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around 200 sessions of enhanced

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interrogation much of it qualifying as

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torture he was a British resident with a

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British wife for British children and he

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was entitled to British Consular

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protection but the British officials who

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witnessed his ordeal early in the

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Captivity included John from the British

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intelligence there not to look out for

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but G but rather the identity of the

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elected politicians who sent him there

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and must have received his reports well

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sh Amar would still be in Guantanamo Bay

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if it had not been for the Magnificent

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campaign fought on his behalf as he

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himself said in this interview how can

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you give up all these people they're

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going every you know Joy her Jan Andy

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and all these safe Shakir stand with

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Shakir truly I couldn't believe it I

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cried one day because Jan they asked Jan

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he said Jan you know when you going to

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stop doing what you are doing and I read

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the article and I because she said I

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will never stop until that man comes out

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and I'm glad to say that we are joined

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today by the afor mentioned Joan

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McKinnis and Andy warington welcome back

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on board the Sputnik and the first thing

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that must be said is congratulations it

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was a magnificent campaign fought with

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Verve and with imagination giant

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Inflatables major rock stars uh it was

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uh able to enlist such important

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political figures as uh as the right

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honorable David Davis Andrew Mitchell

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from the conservative side and uh the

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then little known labor backbencher

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Jeremy Corin Corin uh who knew John

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McDonald is well John McDonald set up

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the all part party parliamentary group

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he a really important player how

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successful this campaign would be all

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around um first of all tell us how is

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shakaama he's he's good I think you know

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after all this media he's like hankering

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after you know a quiet life just uh this

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media uh you know came quite quickly

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after his release what is it six weeks

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and uh I think there's a normal

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trajectory of coming out and being all

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you know very excited and having a

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little bit of a dip and he's not all

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that happy about being recognized on the

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street he said it's not like being a

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celebrity where they're necessarily

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going to look at you admiringly he's

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worried that people will look at him

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suspiciously but so far he has seen

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people you know people have been really

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really positive um about you know who

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have recognized him now of course uh the

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backlash has begun from those who whose

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role in life is to justify Guantanamo

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myself had a taste of it on the BBC this

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uh last couple of weeks uh in which I

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was confronted by a former British Army

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commander in Afghanistan

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openly repeating the Canard that shakar

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Amar was a trained militarized

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Al-Qaeda operative and the fact that

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there's no evidence to support that at

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all didn't seem to trouble them um is

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that unsettling for

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Shaka uh I don't think he's very

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bothered about it I mean he knew it was

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coming he knew there would be such

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people saying such things but uh I think

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he's confident that he'll you know his

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you know will will Triumph and that he

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has an answer for every one of those

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allegations that's the main thing isn't

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it I mean he he knows they're not true

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good coverage what we get is I know when

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the first photos were taken of Shaka a

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bunch of Paparazzi um photographed him

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in the street many weeks ago and uh the

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telegraph's report I thought was very

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fair they said look he was accused of

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all these kind of things but then all

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these charges were dropped in 2007 when

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he was approved for release which is a

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very good way of putting it because

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there is a file that exists that is

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stuffed full of lies um but anyone who

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spends any time examining the files

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produced on the guantan prison not just

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Shaka I mean the majority of the men

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held there will realize that these lies

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are many of them are made by a handful

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of the same prisoners um some of the men

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who were held and tortured in the black

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sites who whose testimony is obviously

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unreliable but there a number of

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prisoners within Guantanamo who who we

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authorities parts of the apparatus of

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then were found not to be and in shaka's

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case these allegations about about him

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being involved with Al-Qaeda and having

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met Asama Bin Laden come from these

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particular people so one of them is Abu

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zua the the the man who the US torture

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who the US thought was a significant

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allegations against people which turn

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prisoner who is who is well known for

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men held so he was he said that they

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were doing things that they were in

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there is a shred of Truth to the

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evidence are really you know

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deliberately blinding themselves to

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the of this has been exposed as Lies

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fascinating RT angle in this story tell

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us about it yeah well um we met Shaker

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pretty quickly after he came out um with

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a number of other campaigners from the

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Save Shaker campaign as well and uh and

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some mes and uh he said you have to use

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brothers in in the prison watch really I

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mean we had sort of heard that and uh

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when we asked him for an explanation as

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to why they were watching RT I thought

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it was because you know the guards were

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too stupid it was standing for Russian

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television Max

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Stacy yeah to get up on the you know

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the satellite to the US because they

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don't want them um watching you know us

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news and getting us channels so they

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pick up RT and RT is one of the few uh

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programs in English that they see if

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you're watching guys yeah absolutely so

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now look tell tell me what happens uh

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next um he's very generously I should

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say said that he doesn't want Pro utions

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Britain what does he want in terms of

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accountability and how can it be

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achieved we'll help him to pursue that

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group um of which um Dominic grieve has

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prominent conservatives uh as well

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inquiry different people have different

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views about what will be more effective

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exclusive are they so well this uh

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intelligence and security committee is

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of course a handpicked group of

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oughtn't to be trusted by the rest of us

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uh but that said Dominic is very much uh

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on chaker side you know has been yes but

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protection of of uh the politicians and

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the other officials of the State uh who

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are implicated in all of this one can

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see Jack straw for example who ought to

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be in a public Piller somewhere uh

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measuring himself up for the airine robe

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for the inevitable Ascent into the House

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of Lords Tony Blair may or may not face

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uh some kind of Justice in the

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think that's I think that is you know

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what what what people really want is

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something that we can guarantee is going

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to be objective and I mean they they

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won't want that because they they're not

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going to want the truth to come out

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which is the problem that I could see

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that with Dominick griev with you know

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with his role uh in the ISC that he

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would want to expose the truth but I

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could see that maybe that would happen

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as the process of the investigation and

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then the results of it would be hidden

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from us uh so you know that what's the

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point of that you get some private

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need is public well we need we need

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something public and I think you know I

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think the the what people in this

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country need to look at is what happened

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in the United States where there are

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sufficient checks and balances in place

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that the Senate intelligence committee

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investigation into into the cia's

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torture program managed to to get a

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redacted vers but a version of the

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publicly released a year ago which has

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information about the terrible terrible

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things that were done uh by the United

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States government and representatives of

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it and yet we haven't had anything like

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that this country we have no

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Constitution we have no Bill of Rights

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I've got to tell you with some sadness

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uh after a long life in British Politics

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the last remaining in institution that I

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would trust in the country are the

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judges and when I started out in

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politics I regarded them with o proam

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but one by one the parliament the press

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the police the the broadcast media each

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one of them has been revealed to be

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husks of what they claim to be and so

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uncorrupted institution in Britain in my

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opinion is the bench well a fantastic

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campaign you led uh what's going to

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happen to the what's going to happen

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what's going to happen to the inflatable

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inflatable in his back Garden I think we

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need a little Museum somewhere oh am I

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we have time for one really Nifty story

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that hasn't come out in and and I think

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I'm allowed to say when Shaker left I

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said what did you leave with and what

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did you they gave him a sort of duffel

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bag with his Prison number on it 239 you

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his weekend bag and inside was all sorts

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of clothes that he'd never worn a quan

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brand new all kinds of brand new

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things bag and and so we're hoping to

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exhibit the inflatable with the you know

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with his things from Guantanamo that he

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was sent home with it would definitely

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be good wouldn't it an exhibit of come

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to that exhibition and of course Shaka

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has to stand with his inflatable yeah

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have to get that picture thank you very

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much indeed for all your work and for

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coming on the Sputnik coming up next we

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shall overcome Trump and the US

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presidential race stay

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tuned welcome back to Sputnik he may or

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may not be a dum blonde but he's

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definitely a rum blond Donald Trump has

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left no battle UNSC scraped no low blow

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unstruck in his elephantine Rampage for

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the Republican nomination but is he

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going to make it and who might stop him

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who better to ask than Republican

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political analyst broadcaster and all

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around American abroad Charlie wolf

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Charlie thanks for joining us thank

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youor now uh Donald Trump as we speak is

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in a very commanding position and it

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seems the more outrageous his talk the

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more popular and becomes what does that

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tell us he's sort of like a certain

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former head of respect that I know or

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maybe still possible head of respect

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party that he's you he's a right-wing

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version of you George and that's why he

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wor you know and seriously I have

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nothing to come over yeah okay so he's

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got you at least on one thing you know

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yeah I'm sure he'll be proud but if if

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you think of it both of you are

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wonderful orators in your own way and

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you're not beholden to political speech

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you know if you're someone who's a

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serious politician or one of the bog

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standard politicians you know how it

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it's done here you don't say anything

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because obviously the press or the

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opposite opposing side will hold you to

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it so you know we answer a question with

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the answer to another question Trump

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doesn't care he's not a politician and

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granted his positions can shift from day

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to day if not minute to minute uh which

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a minister or or a regular politician

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could have get away with but you guys

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can do that and it can be outrageous and

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do whatever you want to do and and

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that's attracts people but I think in

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Trump's case

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what's made him work so far is he's

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filling a vacuum uh especially since the

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San Bernardino shootings um Mr Obama

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does not appear to lead you know with

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all due respect to the president uh I

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watched that speech from the Oval Office

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on the Sunday after you look at even

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back when speaking of Syria uh the the

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famous red lines that Assad happily

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stuck not only stuck his foot over put

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you know played Hopscotch with and we

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have a man who does not take charge Well

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Middle America is scared we've just had

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the events in Paris recently now we had

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the on the home soil we had this event

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and again the Sunday morning it was not

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a speech that was up there would say uh

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Reagan's Challenger speech you know when

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the Challenger rocket blew up uh and it

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was filled with this political speak

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about guns and all right you can have

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your your view on guns which is fair

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enough but this had essentially nothing

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to do with guns it was an act of

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terrorism so Trump is filling that that

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that uh that vacuum and people say he

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sounds like he's in charge and that's

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what we want and also yeah he's fun

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entertainment you know you look at the

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different debates the put Downs I I

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personally um I don't know if I he he'd

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be the guy I'd want to run because I

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don't know if he's the guy I'd want to

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be president or the guy I'd want to

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necessarily go up against Hillary but I

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would love to see a Hillary Trump debate

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just before we leave it though I'm

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wondering why Americans this Great

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Mighty country the world's Mightiest and

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fought many a Battle also uh are so

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afraid you have more chance of dying in

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your bath of drowning than in a

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terrorist incident in the United States

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1.15 million people have been shot to

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death in the United States since

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1980 99% of the shooters or more were

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not Muslims no yeah they were not

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terrorists um why are the American

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people so afraid whatever happened to

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keep calm and carry on I think that was

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one of your guys' Expressions but yeah

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listen the statistics you bring up he

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was half American George he had an

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americ that's right you're very right uh

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Jenny and um I I think what's the matter

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is the difference between shootings that

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happened that are unfortunate actually

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crime figures have been going down over

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the years uh we're paying more attention

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to it because unfortunately we've had

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more of these would are classed as spree

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shootings uh and let me say this also

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just reflection to Muslims when Trump

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made that statement I think his problem

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is he needs someone to work out a

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communication strategy to know how to

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you know it's it's easy when you're in a

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bar somewhere or you're you're a taxi

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driver I'll tell you about them damn

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Muslims that's how this is how I fix the

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whole problem you know maybe in the back

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of a cab fortunately or unfortunally

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that can happen but when yeah when

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you're on a mic and you're the president

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or a candidate the slightest thing can

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be taken is symbolically now uh and

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taken out of hand remember the second

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Clause of that sentence was until the

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government gets its

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act together works out what's going on

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what the hell is going on yeah so it

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sounds to me and I'm not necessarily

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defending Trump but you know looking at

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it fairly it sounds like he was more

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taking his uh his vehement out on the

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government saying you know like

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everybody else they're stupid to use a a

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trump line um I I think if it had been

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me I would have phrased it to see the

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effect of right now we've had an attack

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on the Homeland we don't know who we

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letting into our country I know there

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are many good people that want to come

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in and we'd love to have them but until

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we know who is coming through the front

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door I think people from countries x y

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and Zed um I I want to close the doors

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to them temporarily until

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again the immigration State Department

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Etc figures out what it's doing and we

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know who we're letting in who we we want

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to welcome and to be our friends and to

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prosper like everybody else has the

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United States if he did it that way well

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instead he used the common denominators

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of Muslims including those Muslim

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fighting in the US Army well exactly and

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where he's got the Trump hotels all over

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the Middle East and other Muslim

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countries oh I know I know and well I

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think one of the problems is is a way to

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try and differentiate uh for instance uh

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as you know Mr Obama will not

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say them and again I don't think it's

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necessarily the Quran that's that's

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inspiring them but when you're talking a

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fervent religious belief that's a pretty

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strong you know these are people that

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are willing to blow themselves up you

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know in past days of warfare uh whoever

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you were fighting they wanted to stay

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alive you wanted to stay alive so it's

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finding that way of acknowledging that

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yes in its own way Islam plays its part

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but obviously it's not Muslims you know

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and I I used to like the term Muslim

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versus islamist to me and I don't know

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if that's correct or not the other way

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around me

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ex I prefer the world extremist myself

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because there are extremist Jews

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Christians Muslims Hindus there are all

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kinds of extremist must be against them

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all oh yes but I think the thing that

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puts this one at the top is remember

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these are the people that are calling

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for a worldwide califate these are the

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folks that are beheading people you know

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in a most shocking manner again not to

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take away from the others you know as a

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as a a Jewish boy uh you know I was with

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my friend Bonnie Greer once we're

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talking about going down south and I'm

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sure there's still some leftover white

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supremacist Kooks clan people that hate

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me just as much as they hate Bonnie uh

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so I you know I understand it's out

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there but what's made America nervous is

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you know remember we've had 911 which

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was an event beyond all others 3,000

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people Jew Muslim Christian were killed

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and we have a group again that is

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calling out for a worldwide Jihad sure

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uh calling out for it but not actually

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able to carry out that's why I'm I'm

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slightly surprised at the levels of fear

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and anxiety and I'm wondering if the

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politicians in the media class for their

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own reasons are helping to turn that up

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to S it up I don't I think in some

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respects it goes back to what I said

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before about Obama by by not recognizing

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what it was and again by by really not

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getting invested in it um you know it's

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been said recently he seems to have more

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hatred for republicans in the Press than

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he does for isil and and what have you

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um you know it's a president's job to

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bring the nation together and

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unfortunately I see him divisively

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tearing it apart um and and that's I

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think again is where the problem is you

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know as long as you think of of these

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middle Americans as you know angry

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knuckle dragging uh what was the line U

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with their guns and their religion you

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know I think they're for the most part

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honest people just like if you want to

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take for example here in London uh when

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Cameron went off against

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ukip and I don't think that all the

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members of ukip were members of the the

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national front I think a lot of them

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rightly or wrongly were good honest

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people that are sitting there worried

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about too many immigrants coming in and

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affecting their job or their pay now

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that may be right or wrong but I think

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it's sincerely held beliefs is Trump

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going to do it looks it to me and if not

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who who's going to stop well it's

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interesting we we just had the last

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debate of this year of of 2015 and the

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first debate since San Bernardino uh and

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actually the guy that seems to have come

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out the sort of Dark Horse that you

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would have seen coming I think is Ted

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Cruz uh and he's played a very

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interesting game of being Trump's friend

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and not you know for instance George not

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George Jeb Bush excoriating uh Trump you

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know with that line I think he's

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unhinged now on the day of the the

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comments and all the different media I

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did people were saying well are you

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going to condemn them and I said well

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I'd rather analyze them and also we've

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heard enough I mean everybody went

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without saying so I would say watch Cruz

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he's played a smart game he's very

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conservative almost a little too

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conservative for my own liking but

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there's a battle now going out between

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Cruz and Trump and also Rubio is sort of

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in there and I think Christie is up

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there a little bit but also remember

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this not a vote has been decided or cast

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anywhere it hasn't started yet the start

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of this election cycle begins I think

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it's the end of January with the Iowa

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caucus I it's hard for me sometimes to

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figure out I was talking to a good

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friend in in uh New York recently and

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and I said what do you think and he said

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I don't I just don't know none of us

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know it isn't you know going to what

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should be expected to just as I'm sure

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with you you can read what's going on in

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the country and you have an idea who you

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think or is going to or not going to be

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the the next prime minister or the next

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party in power he's broken all the rules

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um up until now everything has revolved

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around Trump you know you watch a

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democratic Democratic uh debate and the

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uh the anchors on the news media going I

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wonder how Donald Trump is going to

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affect he like it has nothing to do with

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Trump and it's still you know we're

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having Franks and Beans tonight for

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dinner I wonder how that will affect the

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Trump campaign you know you know he he

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he sucks all yeah and you know I guess

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the downside is he sucks all the air out

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of the room or all the oxygen out of the

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room after that uh uh that comment he

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made on on uh closing the door to

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Muslims Trump in the next week got I

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think it was four times as much media

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hits

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as all the others put together yeah yeah

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you know and they're complaining

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children in the street in London know

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who Donald Trump is yeah uh people who

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live in Ted Cruz's Street don't

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necessarily know who he is Charlie wolf

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as always words of wisdom your Insight

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is very

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valuable and now it's your turn to tell

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us what you think through the portals of

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social media what's rattling gy well

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with the release of Shaker H him back in

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England would an amnesty be enough to

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get the truth from Tony Blair and Jack

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straw on rendition and torture Sean

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Caden says now that's a very interesting

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question God willing I'm looking forward

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to seeing them in orange jumpsuits well

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I think the humiliation of any prisoner

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even Jack straw and Tony Blair is

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unwarranted but uh undoubtedly with

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chill cot and with our film the killings

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of Tony Blair closing bearing down on

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these people the pressure is on them on

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Donald Trump Ricardo Picasso says Trump

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is the tip of the iceberg election boils

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down to choose which odious dollar

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backed reptile you want Bernie Sanders

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the only alternative alas beginning to

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fall behind now in the polls I think you

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can say Hillary is definitely the

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Democrat unfortunately is who's going to

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be up against well that's all that we've

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got time for this week which I'll ask me

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means that's the end of the show you can

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stay in touch with us through Twitter on

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rtor Sputnik and on Facebook Sputnik on

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Russia today it's goodbye from me gatri

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and from me George Galloway it's been

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marvelous

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