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welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world

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with me George Galloway and me gatri

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when I first took my seat in Parliament

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almost 30 years ago the house was full

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of characters men and women of

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independent mind the content of whose

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speech could not be predicted as they

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Rose to give it whose vote could not be

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guaranteed by the political machine and

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who wouldn't have dreamt of being told

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what to say by pager as they quaintly

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called them in those days we had no

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mobile phones no internet no emails even

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the facts had not been invented and it

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is long since dead it was easier to be

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sure to make up your own mind in those

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days nowadays there are precious few

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politicians who stand out from the crowd

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as people of Integrity who say what they

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mean and mean what they say whether you

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agree with them or not you can respect

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them for that our first guest Stan

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Sentinel over these old traditions the

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son of a peer and editor of the times

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when that title meant something and the

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Member of Parliament for Northeast

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Somerset Jacob Rees MOG Jacob thanks for

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joining us let's uh cut to the chase on

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that point uh being the editor of the

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times isn't what it used to be being a

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member of parliament isn't what it used

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to be why do you think that decline has

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occurred well I wonder whether this is

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true or whether this isn't something

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that people have always said through

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throughout the generations and there's a

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great line in bosz's life of Johnson

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when Dr Johnson who's friend of Edmund

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Burke among others complains that there

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are no proper issues and Statesmen as

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there were in the reign of King Charles

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I and if you if you think of the people

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who Johnson knew and was dealing with

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who we now look back on as amazing and

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important figures I just wonder if this

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isn't just part of the natural tide of

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history that you look back at people and

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see their successes and forget that when

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you were first elected 30 years ago

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there have been some pretty boring

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speeches in the House of Commons but

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those are forgettable and you put those

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to one side and remember the great

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events I I thought that you might answer

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uh thus uh and it's Gallant of you to do

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so but there are some things which can't

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be denied uh you may or may not know but

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the music of the 60s and the 70s the

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popular music of the' 60s and the' 70s

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is seen as a golden age objectively

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nothing quite like

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in a decade or 15 years uh has ever been

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seen since Harold Wilson's cabinet had

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10 people in it who could have been

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prime minister in the afternoon and most

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of them were trying to be uh there are

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objective truths I think in this that

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the in a parliament where ideology uh is

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less important where party management

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and machine politics more Salient it

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must be true mustn't it that the number

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of members of parliament like you one of

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the tor's most uh rebellious members but

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in any case one who's I think

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universally seen as someone who

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genuinely tells you what they think

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rather than what someone told them to

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think uh it it must be a decline surely

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I don't think so if you look at um

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voting patterns in the last Parliament

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2010 to 2015 it was the most rebellious

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Parliament ped War and the parliaments

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in the ' 50s and 60s had hardly any

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instead of people becoming less

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independent-minded they become more uh

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independent-minded I think there is an

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area where we could agree and that is

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over the approach taken by new labor

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which I think was very controlled it was

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very successful but it was very

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controlled and people had to fit in with

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the discipline that was imposed or else

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uh they were essentially sidelined

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possibly even removed and I don't think

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that was good for politics but I think

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it's opened up again since I used to sit

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with people whose pockets would

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there was a thing called a pager and

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someone sent you what they called in the

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Blair days the line to take and you'd

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see members simultaneously reach into

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their pocket and read what they were

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supposed to be shouting uh across at the

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opposition or what they should say if

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they caught the uh speaker's eye I take

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your point about the votes I knew that

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statistic but somehow the speeches the

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arguments seem less important Rob at

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least from as as he says following a

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line but I think you've got to compare

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this with the run-of the-mill uh of the

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speeches 30 years ago that not every

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speech made 30 years ago was Enoch pal

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standing up to say to Margaret thata I

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asked the right honorable lady what

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metal she was made of and I've had the

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response back from the scientists and

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they say it's titanium plated steel

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those are incredible moments were very

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much one-offs and now we do have our

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moments um um Hillary Ben's speech on

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the Syria debate and you wouldn't have

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agreed with any of it but it was a quite

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remarkable parliamentary occasion and

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yes of course we have uh routine

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speeches about less exciting subjects

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that are fully in line with with party

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policy um but then you get yesterday

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chrispen blunt saying that um he took

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poppers um which my eyes popped C some

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confusion because most of us thought

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they were those party things that you

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get flying about at Christmas and didn't

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realize they had other connotations

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that's right um indeed now that's a fair

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point let's talk then about the great

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because uh in Look Back in Anger Osborne

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has his character complained that there

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are no great issues which is bunam of

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course there have been great issues

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every year uh since the great issue now

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yawning in front of us is the European

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Union MH it's my thesis that we could be

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seeing with the Corbin Le labor party

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with a couple of hundred MPS disaffected

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him and a

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clear big cleavage on the European issue

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in the conservative party and now

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minuscule liberal Democrat uh group that

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we may see a realignment of British

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politics around this issue I'll be with

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you campaigning to withdraw uh from the

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European Union for different reasons no

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doubt uh do you see Europe as a defining

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issue that's going to have a lasting

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impact on the British political scene I

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think it's a crucially important issue

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and the decision that we're about to

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make is going to determine Britain's

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place in the world for the next couple

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of generations so it's very important in

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that uh context I I think we should be

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bold stand up for ourselves and vote to

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leave I think the renegotiation is

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essentially in irrelevance uh and that

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the time has come to make the big

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decision and there are so many

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opportunities for us if we do that in

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countries that we deal with the

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relations we can develop the trade we

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can do I think it's very positive if we

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decide to do that in terms of party

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realignment um it's very interesting

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looking at your old party that I have a

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feeling that if it weren't for what

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the sdp experience the labor party would

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be looking at a realignment that there

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is grave dissatisfaction of the

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Parliamentary party with the leader who

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has the support of the party in the

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country but because of the memories of

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what happened in 1981 and onwards and

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that that led to a very long period in

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office for the conservatives I think

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there's a deep hesitancy to take the

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steps towards the realignment so I'm I'm

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not sure there will be any big change in

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the party political functions over the

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coming months or years what about the in

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the Tories it said that up to 70% of Tor

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MPS will support withdrawal whilst the

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government and the government machine

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will of course be campaigning for

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remaining in the European Union will

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that be a lasting cleavage or easily

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papered over well you mentioned Harold

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Wilson how he managed to run a cabinet

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with dozen people in it who thought they

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could be prime minister And he as a

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party manager was a quite remarkably

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successful individual let's leave leave

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aside what he did in terms of running

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the country because we're not going to

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agree on his successes on that I think

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we can agree that as a political manager

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he was a genius and I think David

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that uh and by offering the referendum

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and by suspending Collective

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responsibility he set in place the

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ground work for the party to be United

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after the referendum is out of the way

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and I think that's very important I

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think it's very beneficial for

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conservatism and it will then depend on

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who succeeds him and whether the person

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who succeeds him wishes to continue in

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the same mold or decides to lay down the

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law on the European issue which would be

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very uh damaging I think David K's been

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very very clever and astute about this

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you don't think that there will be those

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who would be king or queen uh uh who

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would use a defeat for David Cameron

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because don't forget in the course of

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the referendum he's going to have to be

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stronger and stronger and stronger in

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support of remaining in and the stronger

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he gets in favor of staying in if he

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loses the greater the political damage

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to him might very well be and there will

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be some we can name two or three already

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uh who think well I'd like to succeed

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and now is the opportunity to strike you

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don't see the possibility of David

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Cameron being defenestrated over this no

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oddly I think his position is in some

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ways better if he loses than if he wins

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because the people who are in favor of

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leaving will be bitterly disappointed in

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the country at large I'm not to say much

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about MERS of parliament will be

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bitterly disappointed if we don't and

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may then look at what he said and say

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well the Prime Minister was too

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aggressive he took too great a lead in

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this that uh his positions were unfair

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it gave the in campaign an unfair

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Advantage whereas if he loses and he

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says afterwards okay I've listened to

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the country that's my job now is to get

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the best deal we can as we leave the EU

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I'm absolutely up for it and let's bind

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things together the people who wanted to

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leave will be delighted by the result

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and I think will be very willing to say

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well that's fine you've accepted the

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situation and now let's rally behind you

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I oddly think the difficulty uh is if he

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wins and you may find that there is some

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underlying resentment about the result

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you said uh at the time didn't you that

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uh that the conservatives should make an

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arrangement with ukip do you hold to

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that um very interestingly the election

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results seem to show more labor voters

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going to ukip than conservative voters

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uh I thought a a deal would have helped

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us win the last election we were then

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able to win it on our own cuz the

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opinion POS turned out to be wrong what

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I think ukip's been successful uh is in

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appealing to disaffected labor voors who

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probably are striving and wanting to

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improve their lives don't view

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themselves as natural Tes but quite like

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some of the Bolder patriotic messages uh

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that ukip's giving and that may be a

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section of old labor voters who are

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appealed to by Nigel farage um possibly

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some who Margaret Thatcher appeals to

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but that currently the conservative

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party doesn't so I think we can

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certainly learn from ukip even if a

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formal pack was something before the

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last election rather than relevant for

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today Jacob Reese Moog thanks for coming

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on the Sputnik coming up next from an

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English Grande to a Palestinian one the

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lord of the manner of shoot don't miss

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it welcome back to Sputnik the huge

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Palestinian indan population which stood

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fast in the upheaval of 1948 when

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Palestine was wiped off the map and

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Israel replaced it has been all but

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invisible for 60 years even for someone

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like me who has specialized in the

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subject almost all of my life in fact I

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know only one such Israeli Arab and he's

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with me now he's a fascinating

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charismatic individual and he has

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emerged as quite a player in London a

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football agent a successful lawyer a

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benef factor to every good cause and an

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honorary Lord he is Led kalala of the

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manner of Sho Abdul halim welcome on

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board the Sputnik let's get the

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nomenclature right from the start are

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you an Israeli Arab or are you a

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Palestinian I think I'm Palestinian and

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I'm an Arab and I have Israeli passport

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I I think these titles cause me a lot of

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problems in our life tell me

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because this identity issue we live it

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and we always struggle with it

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because I was born in yafa and kufur

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kasum I don't know any Arab country I'd

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never been before in Muslim

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countries I never ever felt that any

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Israeli ever called me Palestinian all

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what they call me Israeli Arab so I love

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being an Arab I'm so proud to be Arabic

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but also the word Israeli I struggle

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with it because I I felt like if I was

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Israeli then I be treated equal then I

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wouldn't really worry what's happening

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15 minutes drive away from my house in

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West Bank or in Gaza so it is a problem

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and when you say Israel I mean if if you

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look at what's happening in Israel

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Israel is almost two states in one

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state so let's go back and say who we

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are we are

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Palestinians in

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1948 when the neba

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happened 85% of us were forced to leave

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and one of the 15% who were left more

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than 500 Villages were destroyed and

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disappeared of the map

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78% of the land was confiscated and

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taken and I was left like to try to

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rebuild what used to be there a George I

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am not going to sit here and start

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scoring points and saying this and that

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what I'm going to tell

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you and possibly you agree with me I

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love this country which is my country we

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go back later on whether we call it

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Israel or Palestine but it's Palestine

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historically I love that country because

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I was born I know what's the meaning of

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olive oil I know what's the meaning of

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fig I know the meaning of the city of

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Jerusalem but one thing I am not going

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to accept being

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told what to do in my country by

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settlers by extremists by

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Fanatics by especially the government of

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Israel now whether you believe it I

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remember 20 years ago when I was at

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schools and universities in isra in

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Israel I always argued with them who

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came first like whether the chicken or

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the egg we always who was here so I

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showed my Jewish friends that my

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granddad and my family been in Palestine

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for the last 5 600 years oh then they

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said to me oh I'm only been here for 20

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years but before that King David then he

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goes to King Solon then he goes to ABRA

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so if we go like that we could never

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finish the argument but all what need to

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talk now can we live together and what's

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the answer to

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that the answer we can't live together

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George you will not believe if I tell

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you the Hebrew

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language because I speak Arabic but I

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speak Hebrew as a first language but you

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know I control the Hebrew language

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better than any Jewish from New York

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better than any Jewish from London

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better than any Jewish from Germany

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Hebrew is a language we have no problem

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with it Jewish people I have no problem

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with them Jewish people have more in

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common with the Arabs people wrot the

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book exactly we are cousins allegedly I

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don't know why these cousins are not

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good at the moment but we are supposed

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to live together I remember 20 years ago

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we used to have in Israel two sections

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left wing and right wing it was

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maai

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maam all this

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abin Rabin B

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now in Israel we don't have a left wing

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the only left wing is peace now it's

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very small

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Shon so so the left wing used to be 50%

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of the population now in Israel the left

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wing is not even a

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20% Mass immigration of uh of Russians

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to Israel this has changed the political

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balance that's that's one way to look at

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it but actually the Israeli

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politicians

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manipulating to be so popular you have

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to please the settlers you have to be

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pleasing the settlers who bring the

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money from abroad you have to please the

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extremist so everybody was running so

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the left wing start running to the

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center and then they disappeared when

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Barack so disappeared and now whether

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you believe it Netanyahu is is actually

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relatively is the leftwing in the

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government he's the only leftwing in the

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government I know you laugh it's the

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irony that because every irony you said

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and uh it's important for people to

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grasp the geography of this the West

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Bank is 15 minutes away from you yes

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they are Palestinians you are

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Palestinian you are in one state and

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they are in a state of stateless

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absolutely it is true though when I

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first started going to your part of the

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world and I I I was in kufur kasum at

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least 30 years

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ago uh that there was no connection then

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between the people uh inside the green

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line in Israel and the people 15 minutes

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away the occupied ter I love that has

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that changed oh big time I love that you

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touch on this point you know

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it's very sad that we the Palestinians

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who have Israeli passport we were

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neglected for so

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long we were left

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alone from 1948 until 1967 we were under

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military occupation and in

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1967 Israel moved the army uniforms to

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West

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Bank and they were civilian clothes but

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they still ruled us in a different way

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so they rule the West Bank with bullets

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and Army and guns while with us they

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rule us with making law to make our life

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miserable so they never ever ever in the

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Israeli government were interested to

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harmonize the Palestinians together they

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never wanted to bring standard of living

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to make them the same standard it's the

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biggest joke I have with my friends when

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I hear that Israel is a member of the

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oecd that means it's a joke like the

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whole organization that people live the

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same so so Israel created mistrust

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between us oh these guys they speak hu

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these guys they happy here so they the

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media the racism in the media described

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us that we almost like different people

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but in reality we are the same and also

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I'm not going to come and praise the

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Palestinian authorities or any

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Palestinian leadership the Arab world

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neglected us the Muslim word neglected

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us so the Israeli word wanted to destroy

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us so we have no intellectual contact

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but

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now we are financially

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supporting every single Palestinian City

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in West Bank or Village who struggle

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financially we are the Protectors of the

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AL AA holy Shrine without us the AL AA

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would have been demolished and been

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abandoned long time ago every day more

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than 5600 buses go from the palace

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because the people in West Bank and Gaza

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cannot visit Al KS they but they can't

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stop you from going but they can't stop

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us so what we do we go and support KS

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and then we started every Saturday and

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Friday and Sunday we go and do shopping

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in West Bank because these poor guys

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after cultivating their agriculture the

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Jewish people cannot don't go there

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anymore shopping so we go and do our

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shoppings in West Bank to help them we

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are one nation do you have a dream I

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would love to live with the Jewish

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people in this from the

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from the sea to the Jordan River where

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every Jewish man can go and exercise his

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holy duties towards whatever he want

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Christian so I like when I walk into

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Jerusalem and I stand outside the wall

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of Jerusalem I see a big IM and a big

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Sheikh and a priest playing B gam

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together and when it says Allah abbar

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then they go each one Whatever to do and

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they come back continue the G game with

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a Mente and I want want every

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Palestinian on the planet to visit the

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country and to enjoy it I want every

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Jewish to come and I want every

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Christian to come and do pilgrimage and

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I want people to come and feel it's a

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really Holy Land we might not have oil

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but we have olive

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oil thank you very much indeed for a

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wonderful wonderful tour of the

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Palestinian

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[Music]

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Horizon and now it's your turn to tell

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us what you think through the portals of

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of social media what's rling G

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Parliament has it come to this we wanted

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to know the people's thoughts about the

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quality of the debates and Blind Willie

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Mel says it doesn't really qualifies as

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debating when MPS simply regurgitate

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what a spin doctor has told them to say

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and Raymond deloney says standards have

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definitely dropped since they allowed TV

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cameras into a chamber now Jacob would

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definitely have agreed with that one

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life but not as we know it what is it

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like to be for a Palestinian Within in

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the green line living within the green

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line Maggie Ellen says horrific is what

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it must be rather like being a Jew in

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Nazi Germany horrific uh not as bad as

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that of course because uh Hitler

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massacred millions of Jews and that's

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not true inside uh Israel but uh I think

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we got some taste today quite movingly I

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felt uh of the neither fish nor fowl the

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lack of identity and that's all that

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we've got time for this week which alas

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means that's the end of the show you can

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stay in touch with us though on Twitter

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at rtor Sputnik or on Facebook Sputnik

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on Russia today it's goodbye from me

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gatri and from me George Galloway it's

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been

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[Music]

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marvelous