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welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world

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with me George Galloway and me G China

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has the largest economy and the largest

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population and the largest armed forces

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in the world and one day it will be the

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world's most important country last week

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however a fall in the phenomenal growth

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rate achieved by the communist state

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sent a shock wave around the capitalist

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World it used to be said that when

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America sneezes the rest of the world

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called a cold is this therefore the

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start of a new Asian flu or is it a

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hiccup rather than a racking cough who

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better to turn to for answers than

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Professor Steve Keen of Kingston

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University Professor Steve thanks very

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much for coming back on the Sputnik how

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alarmed were you by what happened last

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week in the markets and what does that

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actually mean not the least bit alarmed

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amused more than alarmed because this

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has been coming for some time

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and it's all for two reasons one is that

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the QE has basically pumped up asset

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prices quantitative quantive easing

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printing of money it's not the printing

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of money it's the printing of reserves

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that actually they circulate like it's

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like the oil and the Petrol in a car

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engine so what the what the Federal

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Reserve has been doing is pumping up the

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oil not the not not the petrol which is

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nonsense they shouldn't be doing it but

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what actually happens with that is the

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banks and the people who receive the

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money who are normally Pension funds in

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England all they can do with that money

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is buy assets which is driv asset prices

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up even higher without the Justified

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profit returns that that actually

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ultimately what you have to have to

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justify share valuation so they've been

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pushed far too high and now of course as

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soon as they start to take QE out that

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starts to fall down so there the

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fragility we're seeing in the market

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I've been expecting for some time and

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I'm thoroughly enjoying what so where

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does China fit in and what China's

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getting the blame for it China does have

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part of the part of the causal Factor as

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well because the reason China went

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through the financial crisis

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and came out the other side with growth

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is they turned on the capitalist spigot

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they haven't previously accessed on a

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grand scale which is credit and they

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basically this the banks which are

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largely State dominated in State control

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but lended the private sector we just

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basically told lend to anybody with a

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pulse and you therefore had an enormous

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property bubble which began in China we

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all know about these Phantom cities and

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so on in China uh that was driven by

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private debt in China growing by up to

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as high as 30% of GDP increase in

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private debt in one single year

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averaging about 25% of GDP per year and

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my argument which sets me apart from

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virtually all economists is to say that

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demand in the economy is the sum of

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turnover of existing money plus the

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injection of new debt what that means is

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China was getting about 1.25 times its

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economy every year now when you keep on

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doing that when your debts going at 25%

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per anom and your GDP is growing at

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about 10% your debt ratio Rises

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dramatically and that's happened China's

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gone from a private debt ratio of about

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100% of GDP roughly in 2009 to 200

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something per now now you simply can't

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sustain that why did they do

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that because when the global financial

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crisis hit China's exports plunged they

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lost something of the order of 40% fall

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in their export volume they tried to

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replace that by domestic demand

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political pressure is behind it as well

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as you can imagine because so many

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people had jobs in the sea in the cities

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lost them and had to return to the

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countryside a huge reverse migration and

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was either facing the political

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consequences that could have led to or

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try to restimulate growth and they they

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hit the credits big seems to me to

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suggest that China's economic uh

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strength and its uh huge advances kind

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of built on Sand not completely because

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when you do go there you do see there's

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an incredible range of industry and they

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were really were very very successful on

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the original program I was actually in

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the shenzong free train Zone when the

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concrete was being laid for it 1981 82

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and I met with the managers who were

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actually doing that and they were the

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first people in China apart from the

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journalist I was traveling with uh who

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really impressed me because they had a

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plan and it made absolute sense that was

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that there's a particular segment of the

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CH American Trade act that allows the

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reimport of products that have been

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exported and processed in the third

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world country without paying any tariff

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so the Chinese knew about that they were

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exploiting that to attract American

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multinationals to establish over there

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they were then offering them incredibly

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low wages which of course was what the

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most of Southeast Asia was doing to

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attract capitalist investment at that

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stage anyway but they added the

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condition that the firm had to have a

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Chinese partner and I think with either

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five or seven years the Chinese partner

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had to earn 50% of the business so what

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they were doing is creating a capitalist

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class and then also getting that

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technology because being dominated by

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Engineers the Communist Party wanted

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that engineering of the West to be

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brought across so dramatic success in

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doing that they built all these huge

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capitalist corporations which are

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Chinese owned now so that's the real

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base but just like Japan got into a

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bubble economy in 1980 and tried to

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credit its way to growth and rise asset

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prices with a socalled Bastion of growth

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it all collapses because you cannot

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sustain that rate of growth of debt

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indefinitely and when it slows down your

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economic performance collapses and Japan

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effectively has collapsed Japan Japan's

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growth rate went FR just been doing the

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numbers on it recently average growth

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rate in Japan in real turns from uh from

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25 years before 1965 to 1990s to 25

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years the average growth rate was about

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5% per anom since 1990 the average

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growth rate has been I think. 3%

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perom I mean I'm old enough to remember

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when Japan was the coming the Rising Sun

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The Rising Sun now it's set is the same

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potentially likely to happen to China

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yes it's possible and what worries me is

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that China there isn't there is a

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relatively easy solution to this the

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whole cause of this uh the growth was

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out of encouraging increase in debt the

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debt leave it up asset prices what then

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happened for this is both Japan and

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China in the aftermath the design was to

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keep those asset prices High what they

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should have done is say The Leverage is

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too high Drop The Leverage use the

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state's capacity to create money and and

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the government as well as Banks can

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create money that you could have reduced

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that debt burden the debt burden dropped

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the asset prices as a result but not had

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people go bankrupt by using the state's

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you know money to replace their their

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debt Le debt created money that could

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have got the Chinese the Japanese out of

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it the the Chinese could do the same

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thing but what worries me is they're

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falling back into trying to maintain

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those growth rates of asset prices like

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they were wheat production targets back

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in the 1960s and that simply is going to

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fail isn't this uh flow from the big

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question of whether China is fish or F

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uh is it capital is it capitalist or is

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it communist because as you describe it

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you're of course an eminent Economist

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and I've only got a school pass in it

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I'll be it an a pass uh the what it

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seems to me the main the principle

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fundamental difference between socialism

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and and capitalism is that capitalism

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you're talking about keeping asset

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prices high and so on the rest of the

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people who don't have the assets have no

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interest in exactly the high price of

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assets what they want is the creation of

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more assets or more Goods so that we can

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spread them uh more equally amongst the

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mass of the people does this portend

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therefore uh the collapse of the Chinese

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attempt to synthesize communism and

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capitalism could if they try to continue

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pushing those asset prices high if they

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if if they realize look the asset price

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inflation was a mistake we can reverse

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it with the state's capacity to create

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money to cancel that debt reduce the

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leverage do it in a fair fashion so

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people who didn't speculate also get

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money which is the modern Deb ju I've I

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I've been pushing for almost a decade

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now they could get out of it but the

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trouble is if they try to maintain it

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then it won't simply won't work because

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that level of Leverage is so High the

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gearing is so high that to maintain it

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you have to actually increase the

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gearing you can't just sort of Flatline

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if you Flatline at the level of debt

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they've got now asset prices will fall

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so if they try to continue increasing it

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you get a level of debt ultimately you

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can't service and you go bankrupt so

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what do this all mean for the world you

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say you you you were quietly pleased at

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the correction that this uh

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caused uh but some people are pan pcking

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I was in a bank the other day and

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they're panicking about the idea that

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another 2008 style crash might be on it

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and then the housing bubble will finally

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pop through well it's certainly there

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there's going to be a 2008 crash in

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China it's happening now okay they might

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be able to save it off by Rel leveraging

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which is what Australia did to get out

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of its crisis back in 2008 but there're

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so highly lever it already that the room

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for that is really quite minimal so

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there will be a crash in China no matter

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what they do it's question of how they

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handle the crash in the rest of the

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world in particular America and England

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in particular we have delived from the

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really high levels of death that

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occurred in 2008 but not a lot CH

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Britain's come down from a private debt

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ratio of 200% down to 170% and it's

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still slowly

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reducing uh when you have a huge crash

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like 2008 it's because you've got Rising

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debt adding to demand and then suddenly

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you go to Falling debt which subtracts

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from demand if you haven't had much

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Rising debt you don't have much you it's

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like you're jumping off that rather than

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jumping off the ladder you know you

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don't fall as as as hard so I expect

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stagnation for the West rather than a

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big crunch like 2008 but a definite

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crash for China and if if you're talking

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about you know the Chinese economy's

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demand dropping so that the change in

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debt is no longer sucking in goods from

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Canada and Australia and and so on you

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could look at something like about one

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quarter of the Chinese GDP effectively

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world's Goods about one quarter of that

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disappearing from Global demand now

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that's definitely going to suck energy

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out of the rest of the world economy let

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me ask you the idiot question that I

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asked on Twitter uh the other day and

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didn't get a reply if if oil is so cheap

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and borrowing money is so cheap how come

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capitalism isn't booming because there's

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too much debt already and this is the

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the real secret you the conventional

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economics can't understand this because

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their idea about about debt is you know

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George lenss to Steve and then Steve

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repays George Well I lose the when I

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repay you I lose spending power but you

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gain it so you your extra spending

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capacity offsets my decline that's what

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they think about banking which is

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nonsense in in banking we I borrow from

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a bank and I then add to demand without

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affecting your demand and then if iay

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repay the bank I take money out of

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circulation and that cuts demand so when

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you get a high level of of debt to Banks

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you get to a point where people will not

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take on more debt and what that means is

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the credit growth which has been part of

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what stimulated demand and therefore

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production for the previous 10 or 15

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years is suddenly not there and when

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you're talking about credit growing at

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the rate of say 10 20% of GDP per anom

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that's a huge hit to the level of demand

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in the economy and then you slump and

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that's why we've got just so there's so

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much debt there nobody wants to borrow

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and with that low level of borrowing low

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credit growth and one major component of

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aggregate demand is gone Professor Steve

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you're one of the few people who makes

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economics sound like common sense I must

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say thanks for joining us on the Sputnik

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coming up after the break the woman

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woman who inadvertently introduced me to

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my wife Tony Blair's sister-in-law

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broadcaster and journalist Lauren Booth

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don't miss

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it welcome back to Sputnik I met gatri

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at a conference in Leiden in the

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Netherlands but she hadn't come to hear

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me in fact she'd never heard of me I

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actually came to hear Lauren boo whose

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conversion to Islam had fascinated me

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little did I know that at soon be

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married to one of her supporting

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speakers I'm glad to say he joins us now

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but before that I ask the public the big

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question now what do you think of David

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Cameron linking Muslim women's language

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ability to extremism or even terrorism I

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think he said he sometimes tends to talk

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from his immediate emotion and feeling

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and and I sometimes feel that he just

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needs to take a back step a little bit

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it helps the Muslim women to if they

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speak English I do agree I think if you

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live in a country you should speak the

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language especially if you've been here

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for a long time but I don't know how

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helpful and how much link it's got to do

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with extremism I don't think that's an

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assumption you can make um just because

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if the their language isn't as you know

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if they're not speaking English as well

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as others I wouldn't say that means that

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automatically means they must be linked

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in some way to terrorism or something

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not at all I wouldn't

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agree Lauren when you converted to Islam

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did you expect it to be so difficult for

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a Muslim woman um it's not difficult

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being a Muslim woman it is quite

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crushing to read about yourself

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consistently in the

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newspapers as uh someone who's either

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lost their mind or has joined uh some uh

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extremist faction I think that is that

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is the difficulty and the pressure the

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being Muslim that's easy well yes

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because you see in media and you must

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feel it around you as well in on the

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streets do you feel pressure especially

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being a white woman wearing a hijab I

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think um when I first came to Islam six

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years ago I was so PR proud of londoners

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who showed no interest at all actually U

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I'm tall uh I'm 6 foot I'm white-

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skinned now it's changed the hijab

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number one people are feeling aggressive

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80% of attacks on women according to one

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study were were those who were wearing

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the hijab or the nikab 80% of uh

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islamophobic islamophobic attacks and

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now as a white woman coming to Islam

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that wasn't a problem until recently and

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we saw this week Jack Le's a young

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Syrian young British Aid worker going to

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Syria Jack they called him had Jack

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ready with his own alliterative name

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which is which is Handy for the Press

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turned out to be Obie bunam turned out

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to that that he's just over there his

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family knows where he is he's a charity

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worker and he's a charity worker and

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they've the newspapers have gone out

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their way to destroy his family's life

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and humiliate him um and you know this

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thing about white Muslim convert really

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is making headlines now and you have to

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see that are we going to be the new

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Target if so why what is the agenda

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David Cameron who has not a few problems

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of his own domestically and

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internationally uh nonetheless took time

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to launch two attacks on Muslim women uh

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in the last week or two first of all he

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said that uh Muslim women not being able

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to speak English well enough may be a

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contributing factor to extremism even

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terrorism even though most Muslim women

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speak English perfectly well most of the

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women who can't speak English well are

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not Muslim never mind these inconvenient

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facts uh and secondly that a small piece

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of cloth worn across the face by a very

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small number of women uh was something

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that uh we simply couldn't put up with

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and uh must be one way or another This

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Witch Hunt atmosphere is intensifying

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look we knew this was coming and like

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you said it's it's two announcements in

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very short time and hundreds of

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headlines as a result all about Muslims

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and extremists and Muslim women being

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focused on now and let's look at those

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figures George sorry David Cameron says

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22% of Muslim women have limited or no

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English that is not borne out by the

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2011 census which said only 6% struggle

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with their English where are these uh

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figures coming from and there is no you

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know that the media talks about a debate

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about the nicar going on has anybody

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actually spoken to women who wear who

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choose to wear the face Veil it's a

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small minority within a minority this is

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not a major story for the British people

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it's not even a major story for British

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school children why are they giving it

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this attention I'll tell you why I've

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Got a Theory it's the old don't look

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over here look over there um you

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know attempt what abouty what abouty it

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is exactly that I'm sure um as you say a

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tiny number I think it's

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2% of if if there are 2 million Muslims

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in Britain 1 million of them are female

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2% of that 1 million wear a niab and

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what's it got to do with anybody else

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anyway and then how many of those women

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how many of that 2% we them in schools

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or in surger now my feeling is this

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David Cameron you're really concerned

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about this why not hold a conference for

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all of these maybe two 300 women who are

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teachers in ncab and do some training

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and see how they're adjusting ask the

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children who are being taught by them is

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this a problem we already have checks

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and balances in ofstead if you're a

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failing school you're in trouble if

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you're a bad teacher you're in trouble

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why this Focus the focus is because

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we're meant to be prejudiced against

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these women we're meant to be frightened

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of Muslims right now and this is a

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disgrace and he's he's shown his hand

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and I think uh all good people we need

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to be waking up and uh and to this

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agenda on the contrary though uh there's

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a huge increase in racist attacks on

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public transport 37% up on trains in The

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Last 5 Years and some spectacularly ugly

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videos emerging uh of uh attacks on

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buses verbal and physical on Muslims

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sometimes by other women uh this is

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spreading and it's terrifyingly

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dangerous I alluded to the point earlier

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uh I represented many Slovakian people

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in uh my last parliamentary constituency

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hardly any of these slovaks could speak

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English well none of them were Muslim uh

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in the East End of London where I also

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represented in Parliament almost all of

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the people spoke English very well

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because they were from former British

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colonies and English was the if you

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forgive the pun lingua franka uh so it's

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having its effect it's deliberate for

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sure but where will it all end I mean

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are we headed for widescale attacks on

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Muslim property and people like we saw

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in Germany recently well actually

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Middlesboro hang on G G4S painted the

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doors of uh a bunch of migrants as David

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Cameron would call them painted the the

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refugees doors red so they could be

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recognized by the local population and

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the doors were being smeared with

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excrement so we actually have this

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horrendous response happening I think

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let's look forward let's try and and

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look positively here what do the Muslims

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bring to this country what is the

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because this is what people will be

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asking themselves what is the what is

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the quality nobody's asking what

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positives this this community

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contributes and I think it's very uh

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telling that today a new study found

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that um girls who go to single sex

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schools do proportionally a great deal

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better than those who go to mixed

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schools in fact the results are 75% get

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top grades as opposed to

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55% in single SE schools huge difference

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so actually some uh times girls work

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well in with other with other girls that

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has been a a fact you know um David

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Cameron went to his segregated eonian

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school where we probably didn't see a

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woman for many years uh and that's okay

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and I think we need to just adjust our

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thinking on this we we as Muslim women

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we're not a problem we are an attribute

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to this community and to this society

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and stop criminalizing our just behavior

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and to link um a tiny minority of

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granny's or future wives who don't speak

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much English with extremism is not born

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out those going to Syria are young men

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they've been radicalized by

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islamophobia um by uh foreign policy and

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they're not women and their English is

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good and English is so good ridic

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broadcasting on that's it they're

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getting a message across more

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thanis and this from a government which

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like the government before it cut

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expenditure on teaching people English

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they hared it they're such Hypocrites

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hared it did they yes they're such

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Hypocrites these people you cut the

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spending on teaching of English to

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people for whom it's a second language

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you sack people who were are earning a

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decent living teaching those uh people

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women and men and then you damn the

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population for any perceived even though

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it's largely illusory lack of

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proficiency in English what kind of

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people have we got here look David

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Cameron is an extremist and he doesn't

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represent the majority of British people

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that that that's that that's the truth

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here he even speaks in this weird 19th

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century language when he talks about

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Muslims he gave us he gave a statement

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saying um it may be that in these

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patriarchal society the men folk don't

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want the women to speak English who says

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men folk in the 21st century unless you

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have this idea that everybody's in

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tribes and you all have to see the light

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of whiteness and and be like us Johnny

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Foreigner I mean really get over

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yourself move on get with the 21st

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century we're an inclusive Nation we've

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been living together for years don't

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fracture it you said The Red Doors in

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Middlesboro and of course there were red

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wristbands not sure where the red comes

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in on all us why they've decided to

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Brand refugees as Reds maybe there's a

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subliminal message there too uh in

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Cardiff they were uh forcing U Asylum

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Seekers to wear a red

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wristband uh when they turned up for

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their breakfast which they need to have

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of course because they don't get

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benefits and they're not allowed to work

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even though almost all of them would

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like to uh do so and when ab bruhaha and

581
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the liberal press was raised over this

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there were people who argued well that's

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what happens at rock concerts and on uh

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um uh holidays uh group holidays uh

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what's wrong with forcing people to wear

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that's interesting uh let's do that rock

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concert thing the rock concert right you

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have security guards on the outside you

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pay to get in and you're only there for

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a short period of time and then you're

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out again so what you're saying is you

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have these wristbands you're here for a

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bit uh on our say so and then you're off

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again it's not about welcoming people

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into society it's not about creating a a

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good social strata where we're all

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living together it's not about then

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anymore it's about them and us and this

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Rec rhetoric is really divisive you you

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strike me though and I'm glad to say as

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pretty optimistic about the future yes I

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am because actually you know when you

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when you force through nonsense like

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this and you make such statements that

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such polarizing statements you you you

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push a Tipping Point when the good

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people of Britain come out and say this

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is nonsense we don't agree with this

609
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when I go you know when I'm doing my

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shopping you chat to people especially

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in the north of England they they don't

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buy this rhetoric so I think they've

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gone too far and made a nonsense of

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their own policies to his backlashes

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yeah Hallelujah finally God willing just

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finally let the woman

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speak how's Tony Blair is he ready for a

618
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film that's coming out uh I haven't

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spoken to Tony for a while but I'm sure

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he's looking forward to it and he's got

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his red bow tie ready for the big night

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very good Lauren bu thank you for

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everything and now it's your turn to

624
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tell us what you think through the

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portals of social media what's rattling

626
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guy now why did David kman try to make

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the link between English-speaking Muslim

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woman and extremism even terrorism

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Johnny reg says he sounds like an Isis

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extremist telling women what to do and

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Jamie Hunter says born and raised in

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Newcastle we don't speak a word of

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English and Dean ner says LOL please Mr

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Cameron tell me how many languages do

635
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you speak that's question I think he

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speaks only one and even that is 19th

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century Arcane English as Lauren Bo

638
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pointed out exactly and about China Mary

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Finley says they will use it to convince

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us that the problems they've created are

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all China's faults good point and that's

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all we've got time for this week which

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alas means that's the end of the show

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but you can stay in touch with us

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through Twitter at rtor Sputnik or on

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goodbye for me G and from me George

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Galloway it's been

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marvelous