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welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world

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with me George Galloway and me gatri

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Britain's National Health Service

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arguably the country's heart and soul is

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in the deepest of Crisis led by the

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country's most unpopular politician

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Jeremy Hunt and there's a bit of

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competition for that position locked in

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confrontation with Hospital doctors

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indeed the entire British Medical

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Association

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employing the union busting tactics of

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the US in the last century which may be

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appropriate because TTI if it is

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concluded is likely to bring us Union

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Busters right into the heart of the

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Health Service Dr Bob Gill of the sa our

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National Health Service campaign is

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Britain's leading campaigner to do what

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it says on their tin save the National

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Health Service and I'm glad to say he

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joins us now Dr Bob thanks for coming on

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board the Sputnik thank you just uh

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paint briefly if you will the state of

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Crisis that the NHS is now in well

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there's been several years of continuous

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relative underfunding since 2010 instead

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of getting the traditional 4% funding

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increase the NHS has suffered a

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0.8% increase per year so over time this

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has had a significant effect on the

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resources available to the NHS to the

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staff and ultimately impacts on patient

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care so the NHS is being squeezed dry of

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resource and yet they said they had ring

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fenced NHS funding how does that work

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out well that's a complete deception

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they also said no more top- down

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reorganization in 2010 and in 2012 we

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had the Health and Social Care Act the

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biggest privatization act the NHS has

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seen but it's part of a 20-year sequence

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of steady uh red disorganization but

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this has all been deliberate because

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each new reform takes us further down

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the privatization Road I I'm glad you

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mentioned that longer period because it

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seems to me many of the nhs's problems

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now date back to the Blair Brown era or

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even further or even that's ER even

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further yeah kind of with me it goes

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without saying that most things are

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located most problems are located in the

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Thatcher era but the difference is this

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the Blair Brown era said that they had

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solved the NHS problems and that they

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had poured new money into it but that

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was true only up to a point wasn't it

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well a lot of the new money went into

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setting up the infrastructure for the

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whole scale wholes scale Handover of our

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NHS to American corporations but you're

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right the problem started much earlier

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than that in

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1988 by Oliver Lewin he wrote a document

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called the the the Britain's greatest

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big Britain's biggest Enterprise where

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he set out the stages through which you

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could go through without the public

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noticing to get us to the US model and

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unfortunately Tony Blair in his 13 years

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at the helm followed the successive

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steps but this was never told to the

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public because they can't get away with

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it if the public knew what was a foot

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they couldn't get away with it so they

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had to disguise it in socialist jargon

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he gave us the line 7 days to save the

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NHS before he got elected in 1997 in

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opposition he talked about removing the

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market infrastructure but actually when

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he got into Power he reinforced this and

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he also took several steps which were

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major progressions in privatization for

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example breaking up the hospital Network

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into Foundation trusts which are like

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separate business entities he saddled

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hospitals with PFI liability private

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financi initiative liabilities so the

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the government borrowed 11 billion from

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private Banks and financiers and we have

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to pay pay back 80 billion now this is

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an a deliberate Financial Millstone to

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justify the sale and breakdown of the

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NHS further along the line and to finish

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things off in 2009 they brought in

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something called the unsustainable

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provider regime which is a fake

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bankruptcy regime bankruptcy uh

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framework to justify closing hospitals

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and that was a regulation they used to

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try to go for leum Hospital yeah I I

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mean the very idea of a hospital being

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bankrupt is so alen it might as well

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have come from Mars uh I drove past the

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Royal London Hospital just the other day

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uh I used to say when I was the MP there

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uh you would never find any member of

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the royal family in the Royal London

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Hospital but it looks very nice now the

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has worked out at1 million per bed and I

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don't know what their finances are like

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but I do know there are many other

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hospitals in England which are

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technically on the verge of or over the

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verge of bankruptcy what does that

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actually mean in this context well in

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order to justify further closures and

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attacks on the Health Service they had

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to restructure it from a care delivering

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service to a business and in order to

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say well this business is failing you

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saddle it with these deliberate debts

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and then you use those debts to close

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down what we publicly own to flog off

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the hospitals we own flog off the land

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shrink the NHS

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bring it to the point of collapse and

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then say well the only solution is yet

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more of the privatization so it's quite

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quite a clever Financial scam that's

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been pulled off well clever if it uh if

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it works in the end uh I just want to

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run that number past you again MH Blair

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and brown put 11 billion in MH but the

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public must pay 80 billion back that's

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right to the private financers of Our

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National Health Service mhm that sounds

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to me like a crime you know a crime that

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you ought to actually be charged by the

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police well

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interestingly the labor parties still

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are very reluctant to talk about PFI

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were illegally financed there's

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something called the ryy rules which

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make clear that if you're going to go to

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the private sector you need to make a

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cost Effectiveness best value for money

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demonstration but I don't think these

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loans certainly they didn't meet those

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but the problem is you cannot look at

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these contracts because they hide behind

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commercial confidentiality so we we as

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campaigners want to open up these

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contracts and and look at them and see

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whether there is

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criminality even if there isn't

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criminality it's a crime what's been

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done to what was Britain's crown jewels

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we were the first in the world to

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develop uh this kind of uh framework for

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uh Healthcare and ttip if if it comes

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about will be that'll be the death nail

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W it that be the lid on the coffin well

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it's a corporate power grab of all

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public services and we have in charge of

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the NHS a gentleman called called Simon

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Stevens he needs to become a household

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name he served the Blair government he

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then went on to work for United Health

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while he was at United Health United

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Health's a private healthare provider

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yes one of the biggest private insurers

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for healthcare in America while he was

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there he campaigned against against

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Obamacare Obama's reforms he campaigned

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against those then he went on to

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campaign for ttip to include healthare

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and now he's in charge of the NHS so

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development but a lot of people who have

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Jeremy Corbin are still waiting to hear

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anything decent from the shadow health

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Team I I went to a meeting with them a

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month ago and was looking forward to

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hearing something sensible from Heidi

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Alexander but what we heard were

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narratives that fit into the ongoing

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privatization she expressed support for

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Simon Stevens despite his treack record

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and the next stages of the privatization

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are to devolve the NHS budgets to merge

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budgets with social care budgets which

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have already been largely privatized and

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patient charges and then co-payments so

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the framework is all there The Narrative

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from the labor party still supports

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privatization and we are desperate to

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wake up the leadership to what is going

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Team well of course uh Labor's Health

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spokesperson isn't uh on the same page

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as Jeremy Corbin she's one of the uh

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people who well let's put it kindly uh

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is unpersuaded of Jeremy Corbin's uh

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tenure uh but you must get through to

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saying would be anathema to Jeremy

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Corbin I can tell you that on 40 years

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experience uh you must somehow let's

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hope this program does it wake up the

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labor leadership to the extent to which

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we're sleepwalking into all of this let

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me confess something M some of which

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you've just said I have never heard

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before and I'm a pretty switched on uh

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guy in terms of politics I did not know

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that this man was running the National

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Health Service having worked in America

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against Obamacare and for one of the

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world's biggest

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privatizers so your campaign's a pretty

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urgently needed one where this is a uh

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this is a 999 call certainly is Simon

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dangerous men in public office he's

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taking us in completely the wrong

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direction we know that the American

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model is responsible for 45,00 ,000

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preventable deaths a year that's not a

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system I want to be around to see in

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this country um unfortunately as I've

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said the shadow health Team are still

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supporting Simon Stevens I think we need

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to highlight highlight the problems that

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he is posing for the NHS and this is

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where the junior doctor's dispute comes

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in actually yes she wanted to ask about

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that well the junior doctor situation is

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completely contrived it was never a

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negotiation there was always the threat

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of imposition

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there was never any new money the

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doctors were not arguing for a pay rise

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and there are no new staff but what he

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wants to achieve is to break the

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unsocial hours payment so that the

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assets can be sweated so when the

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private companies take over they can

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abuse their junior doctors but as a

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helpful side product to what they're

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doing is to push out doctors to save on

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redundancy and to replace them with a

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down skilled Workforce a cheaper

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be more willing perhaps without the

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ethical binds that doctors have to

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overlook what will be far less quality

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care we were turning medicine into

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conveyor belt medicine the focus of the

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private corporations will be for quick

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easy cheap profitable activity so they

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want to close down more AES they want to

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close down more itu units and having a

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Workforce crisis with they which they

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argument to shut down more and get your

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medicine from a vendor machine get your

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medicine from wherever but you won't

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necessarily need to be medically

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qualified to be issuing medical advice

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and this is the toxic um undercurrent to

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all these reforms and where do the

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Consultants stand Visa the junior

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doctors cuz they're also very often

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accused of

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getting nicely paid behind the behind

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the scenes well again during the labor

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years it was important to keep the

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medical profession quiet and as as a GP

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we had a very good outcome in 2004 with

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our new contract but what we also gave

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away was our control of general practice

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so they split away out of ours care um

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they also started to Hive off and

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contract out for the first time in the

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NHS GP services so you no longer had to

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be a GP or doctor to run a general

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practice surgery so anybody could do it

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so you got ver aie a bookie could do it

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you've got Richard Branson who's the

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biggest GP in the country he's got 3

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million p

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on his books ah Dr Richard Branson Dr

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richardon yes i' forgotten about him

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this is a truly extraordinary story that

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you are telling and if I may say so

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extraordinarily well uh We've run out of

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time for now but I think you and I need

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to work together certainly to highlight

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this Dr Bob Gil save our NHS campaign

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thanks for joining us thank you on the

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spck coming up after the break it's the

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dwen of British foreign correspondents

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Patrick curn just before he heads off to

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the Middle East don't miss

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it welcome back to Sputnik orbiting the

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world with me George Galloway and the

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dwen of British foreign correspondence

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the independence Patrick curn in article

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after article book after book has seen

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more clearly than any other journalist

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what's really going on in the mstom of

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of the Middle East Patrick thanks for

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joining us again I'm glad we caught you

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before you head back out it's a very

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grave moment it seems to me the

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possibility of a fullscale Turkish

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invasion of Syria bringing it up against

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not just the Syrian Arab Army but its

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allies principally Russia but Iran and

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Hezbollah also that looks a bit like a

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potential World War to me how does it

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look to you it looks like a very serious

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War uh I'm not sure it's going to be a

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World War but it is a tremendous

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escalation and of course this is would

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primarily be directed against the

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Kurds I mean the nightmare for turkey

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has been that in

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2011 they thought that the Arab Spring

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soall would lead to Turkish influence

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spreading across the Middle East talk of

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the new Ottoman Empire or new ottomanism

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and suddenly they have instead a

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Kurdish uh quasi State uh spreading

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across their Southern frontier so it's

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primarily directed against the

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Kurds uh but if this happens how will it

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end I mean they aren't going to win a

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decisive Victory or anything like that

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so this even further complicates the

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civil war in Syria and Iraq

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that's where the deepest contradiction

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lies isn't it the Kurdish fighters in

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Syria have given their blood their lives

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in large numbers to fight Isis and

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Al-Qaeda against whom we are also

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theoretically ranged yet our NATO Ally

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turkey has invaded Syria not to crush

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Isis but to crush the Kurdish fighters

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who are fighting them talk us through

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that maze yeah well it's a maze you know

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without an

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exit um

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because this is concentrated finally in

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this area north of

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Aleppo um where the supply lines for the

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Isis and non- Isis Syrian opposition run

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this is also an area uh inhabited by the

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Kurds uh in what they call rajava to the

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East and another Kurdish Enclave arine

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to the

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West um so we're going to have an ethnic

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War there if uh Turkey

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intervenes um we're uh who are the

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fighters there well it's not just Isis

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but it's al-nusra as well that's the

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al-Qaeda affiliate the al-Qaeda

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affiliate there are said to be moderates

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there but you know and there probably

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are but they're not a they're minority

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force and they often operate under

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license from people like al-nusra and

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similar

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organizations so this makes the Syrian

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Civil War that much

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worse as false Flags go I thought the

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one that

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justified these events uh to be

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extraordinarily juvenile there was an

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atrocity against Turkish soldiers in

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Ankara and another attack on another

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military Convoy in the south of

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turkey the president erdogan said and

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I'm not making this up and I'm not

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misquoting them our people have been

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studying this all

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night and we have concluded that it was

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a Syrian C that carried out these

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atrocities surely only a fool even a

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fool perhaps could see through that well

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there's so many attacks that there uh

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you know

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that the one doesn't know who carried

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this out no certainly not by studying

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all night you couldn't study it all

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night you could study it all year you

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wouldn't know you know a kurd carried

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this out but who was that kurd working

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for what kind of organization or was it

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a kurd uh you know was it a turkman was

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it a Shia or Sunni you can't tell just

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from that uh and whoever that person

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thought they were working for they might

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have been working for somebody else

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because in this case turkey is a member

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of NATO the us-led military Alliance of

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which Britain is also a member and

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backing the Syrian government is Russia

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and so you have an East West Cold War

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style flash point and unless one

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believes that turkey is acting without

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the support and authority of NATO in its

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interventions in Syria some believe that

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that may be true I find it very hard to

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believe where do you

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stand I don't think they are honestly I

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think that their primary primary concern

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is the growth of a quazi Kurdish state

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in Syria uh that whatever they say about

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getting rid of Assad or anything else

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they want to do in Syria I think this is

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their primary target I think one of the

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problems in this era that everybody

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believes to a degree that nobody is

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taking a decision without you know the

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Kur Turks ringing up NATO or Washington

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I don't think it quite works like that

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um the uh I think they could easily

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decide to do this on their own though I

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don't think they wanted to I think what

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we've seen over the last year is that

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the Americans and other allies had seen

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that they couldn't get turkey to seal

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the border on the North against

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Isis and uh other Syrian extreme Syrian

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opposition alustra and so forth so they

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thought right we'll try and seal it on

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the south by supporting the Syrian Kurds

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uh this put turkey in a very difficult

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position because the Syrian then Kurds

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then became one of the main opponents

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and very effective opponents of

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Isis um if the Syrian Kurds get are

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weakened uh who benefits well I suppose

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turkey benefits but certainly Isis and

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al-nusra and the others benefit so uh I

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don't think that they've that uh the

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Americans and NATO are complicit in this

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I think it's against their interests

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well uh that that you may very well be

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right and I greatly respect your wisdom

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uh it's a challenge though for someone

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of my historical or or world view

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because what seems to be therefore

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happening is that client states are no

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long no longer behaving like clients

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Saudi Arabia is acting of its own

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valtion Israel to some extent

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challenging the United States now your

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theory uh turkey challenging its uh its

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patrons and its uh its

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Chiefs uh that too is therefore a matter

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of some importance it is I think that

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what you say goes to the heart of it I

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think that you did have the you know the

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of the Cold War

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subsequently uh these states might have

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been genuine clients they didn't take

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decisions without bringing people up uh

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I think that what they've been TR turkey

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was trying to do hoping would happen was

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they could that they could nudge the

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Americans and others into intervention

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in with grand forces in Syria that

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hasn't happened so they've been looking

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to do it themselves but when you look at

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Turkish policy it's it's pretty episodic

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you know there are sudden movements uh

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which don't it doesn't seem very

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connected up and this of course makes

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the situation more dangerous not less

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adan's policy in the beginning which

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seemed extraordinarily successful I

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greatly admired him in the beginning was

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to have no problems with the neighbors

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now he has problems with all the

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neighbors and inside his own country all

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is smoke and fire and shot and shell is

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everywhere in the Kurdish cities but

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also in ankor and

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Istanbul yep I mean it's you know the

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the Syrian Iraqi Civil War is spreading

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its influence in neighboring states the

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the political temperature is getting

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hotter

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everywhere um the and that includes

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turkey uh

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so um you know what happens now well

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we'll see what Happ happens but it's uh

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you know it's getting hotter and hotter

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it's getting worse and worse these are

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all the reverberations of the Bush Blair

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attack on Iraq doesn't look so clever

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now that

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move no it was a disaster it started you

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know it capsized the whole region in the

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end and then they not only did it there

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they then did exactly the same thing in

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Libya and with exactly the same result

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look at Libya now run by uh murderous

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militias uh um people fleeing and across

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the Mediterranean

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capsizing uh the whole country in flames

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and the coming struggle for power in

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Afghanistan between the Taliban and

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Isis they both can't lose but of course

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yeah if you go from the Pakistan border

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over to Northeast Nigeria I I think

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there are nine Wars going on now if you

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include South

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Sudan um the uh these wars don't seem to

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stop uh nobody seems to establish a new

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government you know it was quite hopeful

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that in Munich you had an agreement for

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the first time in Syria backed by two

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great Powers the US and Russia that uh

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supplies would get into besieged towns

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and cities in Syria and secondly that

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move towards a ceasefire with the big

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players tried to coordinate this this

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was quite hopeful but now it seems that

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this is about to be blown out of the

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water we could go on all day I wish we

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could Patrick curn may God preserve you

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thank you very

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much and now it's your turn to tell us

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what you think through the portals of

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social media what's rattling gri welcome

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back by the way thank you happy to be

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back question is what is the Panacea for

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the Striking doctors and the NHS Andrew

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Walker says well it's already gone the

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working people need to take to the

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streets but after Iraq war

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demonstrations when the majority voice

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was ignored what's the point and Ricardo

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Picasso says the current government are

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quick to tell us how much they love the

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NHS but not so quick to show it they're

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gambling with lives I think Dr Bob

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Gill's interview is going to waken uh

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quite a few people up maybe at the top

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of the labor party too let's hope so

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it's all of you've got time for this

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week which alas means that's the end of

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the show you can stay in touch with us

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goodbye from me gri and from me George

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Gallow it's been

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[Music]

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marvelous