1 00:00:33,030 --> 00:00:38,020 welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world 2 00:00:35,590 --> 00:00:40,239 with me George Galloway and me gayathri 3 00:00:38,020 --> 00:00:42,100 I've known my next guest for almost 40 4 00:00:40,239 --> 00:00:44,559 years though she was obviously a baby in 5 00:00:42,100 --> 00:00:46,120 arms then she grew up to be one of the 6 00:00:44,559 --> 00:00:48,699 longest serving Labor members of 7 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:51,070 parliament for vauxhall in London where 8 00:00:48,699 --> 00:00:53,199 she has remained absolutely faithful to 9 00:00:51,070 --> 00:00:55,500 her beliefs even when those around her 10 00:00:53,199 --> 00:00:58,809 changed theirs in the prevailing winds 11 00:00:55,500 --> 00:01:01,000 not so long ago most Labour MPs like 12 00:00:58,809 --> 00:01:03,970 most of their voters were euro skeptics 13 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:06,250 the Tony Blair era changed all that like 14 00:01:03,970 --> 00:01:08,320 so much else it didn't change our guests 15 00:01:06,250 --> 00:01:11,290 know who I'm glad to welcome on board 16 00:01:08,320 --> 00:01:13,450 the spa tech que toi mpk thanks for 17 00:01:11,290 --> 00:01:17,140 coming on board we're trying to get a 18 00:01:13,450 --> 00:01:19,780 balance in this debate we're trying hard 19 00:01:17,140 --> 00:01:23,409 to get those who support staying in the 20 00:01:19,780 --> 00:01:26,680 EU into the studio but not yet but we 21 00:01:23,409 --> 00:01:29,200 had a right-wing case for leaving in the 22 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:32,440 form of Nigel Farage just a couple of 23 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:36,670 weeks ago but you are one of the if not 24 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:39,460 the leading labour voice for leaving the 25 00:01:36,670 --> 00:01:41,080 EU tell us why well I think there would 26 00:01:39,460 --> 00:01:43,720 be a number of things that I would have 27 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:45,960 shared with Nigel Farage whatever he 28 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:48,400 said particularly on the democratic 29 00:01:45,960 --> 00:01:50,620 deficit you know putting it simply the 30 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:52,690 fact that we no longer can really say 31 00:01:50,620 --> 00:01:54,220 that we control all the laws in our own 32 00:01:52,690 --> 00:01:56,470 country because it can be overruled by 33 00:01:54,220 --> 00:01:59,680 the the court of justice in the EU but 34 00:01:56,470 --> 00:02:03,670 for me it's more about the way the 35 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:05,740 common market has changed into various 36 00:02:03,670 --> 00:02:07,690 treaties that we all opposed and try to 37 00:02:05,740 --> 00:02:09,940 oppose and never got referendum on that 38 00:02:07,690 --> 00:02:13,330 change the nature of the European Union 39 00:02:09,940 --> 00:02:15,370 to becoming much more of an organization 40 00:02:13,330 --> 00:02:17,290 that I see as supporting the 41 00:02:15,370 --> 00:02:19,390 multinationals the global corporations 42 00:02:17,290 --> 00:02:20,950 the feeling that they're really there in 43 00:02:19,390 --> 00:02:23,920 the interests of big business and 44 00:02:20,950 --> 00:02:28,120 genuinely lost any pretense that they 45 00:02:23,920 --> 00:02:31,719 had earlier to be the voice of workers 46 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:34,440 rights getting more more control for 47 00:02:31,719 --> 00:02:36,450 people who in industry 48 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:39,450 and I think so much of that's gone that 49 00:02:36,450 --> 00:02:42,960 I just believe now that anyone on the 50 00:02:39,450 --> 00:02:45,720 Left who has to argue a case to stay in 51 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:47,370 is doing it on very very weak grounds 52 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,860 and not anything to do with with 53 00:02:47,370 --> 00:02:52,040 principal about you know left-wing views 54 00:02:49,860 --> 00:02:56,190 of where we should be going it's a 55 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:58,140 double helix they argue that the 56 00:02:56,190 --> 00:03:01,590 european union represents some kind of 57 00:02:58,140 --> 00:03:04,140 civilizing mission in britain and if we 58 00:03:01,590 --> 00:03:06,780 didn't have it we'd go back to living in 59 00:03:04,140 --> 00:03:10,680 the forests metaphorically politically 60 00:03:06,780 --> 00:03:12,630 speaking and secondly that the EU itself 61 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:14,790 is civilized although the people in 62 00:03:12,630 --> 00:03:16,530 greece no different and the people in 63 00:03:14,790 --> 00:03:20,190 other european countries that have been 64 00:03:16,530 --> 00:03:23,850 crushed by the financial orthodoxy of 65 00:03:20,190 --> 00:03:26,730 the european union but i was just 66 00:03:23,850 --> 00:03:30,090 tweeting this week that it shows such a 67 00:03:26,730 --> 00:03:32,880 lot such a lack of confidence in our own 68 00:03:30,090 --> 00:03:34,530 people that we cannot for example for a 69 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,120 Labour government in yeah which the 70 00:03:34,530 --> 00:03:38,489 British people have done 11 times 71 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,780 absolutely and I i I've said that at a 72 00:03:38,489 --> 00:03:41,670 number of meetings I've been going round 73 00:03:39,780 --> 00:03:43,650 with a few of my colleagues who are on 74 00:03:41,670 --> 00:03:44,870 the same side to speak it labour party 75 00:03:43,650 --> 00:03:46,980 meetings they did try to stop 76 00:03:44,870 --> 00:03:48,600 constituencies actually having these two 77 00:03:46,980 --> 00:03:50,430 bits the general said she sent out a 78 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:53,130 letter basically saying you know there 79 00:03:50,430 --> 00:03:55,440 is a policy on this we don't we don't 80 00:03:53,130 --> 00:03:56,910 want you to be wasting time having liver 81 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:59,220 leave people we want you to be out there 82 00:03:56,910 --> 00:04:01,260 campaigning to stay in the EU well 83 00:03:59,220 --> 00:04:03,870 fortunately most constituencies have 84 00:04:01,260 --> 00:04:05,730 ignored that but when we do go there you 85 00:04:03,870 --> 00:04:07,560 know I find that too I said to somebody 86 00:04:05,730 --> 00:04:09,060 that just last week in my own 87 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:11,370 constituency where there was it a bit 88 00:04:09,060 --> 00:04:13,560 who said oh but you know we'd lose all 89 00:04:11,370 --> 00:04:15,060 our rights and this Tory government is 90 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,380 trying to crush workers look at the 91 00:04:15,060 --> 00:04:19,470 trade union bill look at all these 92 00:04:16,380 --> 00:04:22,169 things this would just be catastrophic 93 00:04:19,470 --> 00:04:24,150 if we left the EU and I just turn around 94 00:04:22,169 --> 00:04:26,040 and sit him so why are you in the Labour 95 00:04:24,150 --> 00:04:27,390 Party if you actually think we're never 96 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,460 going to have a liberal government again 97 00:04:27,390 --> 00:04:31,230 and he you know retreated a little bit 98 00:04:29,460 --> 00:04:34,020 because it's true and any labour 99 00:04:31,230 --> 00:04:35,730 government could do the things and we 100 00:04:34,020 --> 00:04:37,560 didn't do them unfortunately during the 101 00:04:35,730 --> 00:04:38,940 Blair euro we did some things but we 102 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:42,060 didn't do what we could have done in my 103 00:04:38,940 --> 00:04:44,520 view we should be strengthening the the 104 00:04:42,060 --> 00:04:47,460 rights of people at work and not waiting 105 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,969 for 27 other countries to decide that 106 00:04:47,460 --> 00:04:50,459 that's a good 107 00:04:47,969 --> 00:04:53,039 thing and it's from the era of Dolores 108 00:04:50,459 --> 00:04:55,559 isn't it but yes mine remember to speak 109 00:04:53,039 --> 00:04:57,509 he came along told the Labour Party this 110 00:04:55,559 --> 00:04:58,860 is it and we were fighting margaret 111 00:04:57,509 --> 00:05:00,899 thatcher at the time and Margaret 112 00:04:58,860 --> 00:05:03,299 Thatcher had brought in a lot of things 113 00:05:00,899 --> 00:05:05,819 that that were against the the basic 114 00:05:03,299 --> 00:05:09,899 tenants of being trade union and trade 115 00:05:05,819 --> 00:05:12,989 Eunice and I think he he convinced the 116 00:05:09,899 --> 00:05:16,139 Labour Party that this was the way to 117 00:05:12,989 --> 00:05:20,339 get Ryan mrs. Thatcher and unfortunately 118 00:05:16,139 --> 00:05:22,019 despite the warnings of some very solid 119 00:05:20,339 --> 00:05:24,439 people who unfortunately are no longer 120 00:05:22,019 --> 00:05:27,749 around like tony benn and peter shor 121 00:05:24,439 --> 00:05:30,299 there there we went along with that and 122 00:05:27,749 --> 00:05:32,219 then ordering the the blerrie era and i 123 00:05:30,299 --> 00:05:34,169 was a minister in the home office when I 124 00:05:32,219 --> 00:05:35,610 would go out with Jack Straw to Brussels 125 00:05:34,169 --> 00:05:38,879 at that time there wasn't majority 126 00:05:35,610 --> 00:05:41,159 voting so we did have a block on certain 127 00:05:38,879 --> 00:05:43,709 things in the whole social and justice 128 00:05:41,159 --> 00:05:46,289 area but every time we would be trying 129 00:05:43,709 --> 00:05:47,879 to block something that was silly we'd 130 00:05:46,289 --> 00:05:50,849 get a dick tap maybe a couple of hours 131 00:05:47,879 --> 00:05:52,409 later from the British you crepes so you 132 00:05:50,849 --> 00:05:54,029 are representative for the European 133 00:05:52,409 --> 00:05:56,639 Commission who would say Oh dining 134 00:05:54,029 --> 00:05:58,559 Street don't want that block now because 135 00:05:56,639 --> 00:06:01,079 we want something else in another area 136 00:05:58,559 --> 00:06:03,029 that's more important so poor Jack would 137 00:06:01,079 --> 00:06:04,709 have to go in there and sort of eat 138 00:06:03,029 --> 00:06:06,539 humble pie and say that we were going to 139 00:06:04,709 --> 00:06:08,789 accept it so I saw the whole way this 140 00:06:06,539 --> 00:06:10,409 machine worked and I just thought it's 141 00:06:08,789 --> 00:06:12,839 not the kind of politics I want I don't 142 00:06:10,409 --> 00:06:15,479 like that idea that you know you scratch 143 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:17,279 my back and I'll scratch yours yeah your 144 00:06:15,479 --> 00:06:20,360 constituency vauxhall happens to be 145 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:23,099 quite a hub for portuguese and spanish 146 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:25,889 diaspora what's their voice in this 147 00:06:23,099 --> 00:06:28,279 debate how house well most returning to 148 00:06:25,889 --> 00:06:30,299 the glaciers and we'll have have a vote 149 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:32,819 who are here and the Portuguese 150 00:06:30,299 --> 00:06:34,169 community particularly in stockwell 151 00:06:32,819 --> 00:06:35,909 areas been there for a very long time 152 00:06:34,169 --> 00:06:38,309 it's growing but this means there and 153 00:06:35,909 --> 00:06:40,589 you know I I talk to them because I 154 00:06:38,309 --> 00:06:43,769 don't their life will not will not 155 00:06:40,589 --> 00:06:45,149 change the idea that somehow if we vote 156 00:06:43,769 --> 00:06:47,579 to leave on the dresser third each other 157 00:06:45,149 --> 00:06:50,189 they will be out the next day it's just 158 00:06:47,579 --> 00:06:52,319 such nonsense just as it is if you know 159 00:06:50,189 --> 00:06:54,899 I happen to be I don't but if I had a 160 00:06:52,319 --> 00:06:56,339 home in Spain I'm not going to leave my 161 00:06:54,899 --> 00:06:59,009 home the next day and I think the whole 162 00:06:56,339 --> 00:07:00,749 tenets of as we know of the government 163 00:06:59,009 --> 00:07:01,529 and of all the people who are the 164 00:07:00,749 --> 00:07:03,299 establishment 165 00:07:01,529 --> 00:07:05,189 because this is establishment to me 166 00:07:03,299 --> 00:07:07,889 against the people genuinely there's you 167 00:07:05,189 --> 00:07:10,679 know the big banks the big debate all 168 00:07:07,889 --> 00:07:14,279 the political parties you know they just 169 00:07:10,679 --> 00:07:17,189 want to give the very very very worst 170 00:07:14,279 --> 00:07:19,799 extremist kind of fear thing and I think 171 00:07:17,189 --> 00:07:21,629 I'm just beginning to feel that it's so 172 00:07:19,799 --> 00:07:24,479 much now and it's happened so quickly 173 00:07:21,629 --> 00:07:26,249 that it could backfire very much on 174 00:07:24,479 --> 00:07:29,009 David Cameron I think he's looking angry 175 00:07:26,249 --> 00:07:31,139 and looking yes I'm still with months to 176 00:07:29,009 --> 00:07:33,449 go monster oh yeah there may be 177 00:07:31,139 --> 00:07:36,689 diminishing returns already setting in 178 00:07:33,449 --> 00:07:38,039 the got ray pointed out the Spanish and 179 00:07:36,689 --> 00:07:40,979 Portuguese people living in New York 180 00:07:38,039 --> 00:07:42,779 constituents in we know them well but of 181 00:07:40,979 --> 00:07:45,779 course there are others many many others 182 00:07:42,779 --> 00:07:47,969 in your constituency from a Commonwealth 183 00:07:45,779 --> 00:07:51,389 background absol and those Commonwealth 184 00:07:47,969 --> 00:07:53,579 citizens have been shamefully abandoned 185 00:07:51,389 --> 00:07:55,679 by Britain's time in the European Union 186 00:07:53,579 --> 00:07:58,199 we joined and you look back on it now I 187 00:07:55,679 --> 00:08:00,959 voted one of my first folks i voted i 188 00:07:58,199 --> 00:08:05,339 voted not to you know not to stay and to 189 00:08:00,959 --> 00:08:08,519 leave then and i think back to it and i 190 00:08:05,339 --> 00:08:11,039 remember reading at the time some people 191 00:08:08,519 --> 00:08:13,679 talking about our Commonwealth and all 192 00:08:11,039 --> 00:08:14,879 through this last period of forty years 193 00:08:13,679 --> 00:08:17,610 you know I've always felt the 194 00:08:14,879 --> 00:08:19,349 Commonwealth's we completely sold them 195 00:08:17,610 --> 00:08:21,209 down the river now of course they've 196 00:08:19,349 --> 00:08:24,529 adapted Australia's done very well 197 00:08:21,209 --> 00:08:27,149 India's done bro I know it hasn't been a 198 00:08:24,529 --> 00:08:29,369 disaster for them but in terms of their 199 00:08:27,149 --> 00:08:32,610 loyalty to us as a country and what they 200 00:08:29,369 --> 00:08:34,740 contributed I think they it was shameful 201 00:08:32,610 --> 00:08:36,569 but more shameful now of course is that 202 00:08:34,740 --> 00:08:39,329 I have long-standing 3rd 4th 5th 203 00:08:36,569 --> 00:08:42,659 generation almost afro-caribbean who 204 00:08:39,329 --> 00:08:46,319 came way back into into places like 205 00:08:42,659 --> 00:08:48,720 Brixton and there they now I have still 206 00:08:46,319 --> 00:08:50,250 got huge difficulty getting relatives 207 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,019 just to come over for a wedding it's the 208 00:08:50,250 --> 00:08:54,360 same with if you had a lot of people 209 00:08:52,019 --> 00:08:57,120 from India or Pakistan and and you know 210 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:59,730 no one and I'm certainly the last person 211 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:03,120 who would be against immigration as such 212 00:08:59,730 --> 00:09:06,149 but I want to see those people having as 213 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:09,600 fair and opportunity as anyone else what 214 00:09:06,149 --> 00:09:12,689 I argue fairer the terrible they speak 215 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,870 English we owe them a debt hmm we call 216 00:09:12,689 --> 00:09:16,000 it a Commonwealth now 217 00:09:13,870 --> 00:09:18,070 once an empire we stole a lot of things 218 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,570 from the very least we could do now 219 00:09:18,070 --> 00:09:21,760 they're very least we could do is not 220 00:09:19,570 --> 00:09:23,650 make them climb through fiery hoops in 221 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:25,810 order to get a visa and treat them as a 222 00:09:23,650 --> 00:09:28,360 mother foreign alien you know when 223 00:09:25,810 --> 00:09:30,580 they're actually much much more in 224 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:32,950 common with our country than you know 225 00:09:30,580 --> 00:09:34,960 the very many and understandably if i 226 00:09:32,950 --> 00:09:37,600 was living in romania bulgaria i would 227 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:40,420 probably think i'm going to come to the 228 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:42,180 UK as well but what we do all that Duty 229 00:09:40,420 --> 00:09:45,160 first if we are going to have to 230 00:09:42,180 --> 00:09:46,990 restrict numbers in some way to people 231 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:50,830 who had that loyalty over the years I 232 00:09:46,990 --> 00:09:54,279 believe now the Dolores era is over the 233 00:09:50,830 --> 00:09:55,660 EU is quite a different beast I would 234 00:09:54,279 --> 00:09:58,210 argue is not that different but it 235 00:09:55,660 --> 00:10:01,690 certainly got a different face no and 236 00:09:58,210 --> 00:10:06,220 that face was shounen in Greece above 237 00:10:01,690 --> 00:10:10,210 all yet the Labour Party now led by 238 00:10:06,220 --> 00:10:12,910 people on the Left who just I'll take a 239 00:10:10,210 --> 00:10:15,640 guess 12 months ago would have been on 240 00:10:12,910 --> 00:10:18,390 our site in this debate are now on the 241 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:20,890 other side how do you account for that I 242 00:10:18,390 --> 00:10:22,540 sometimes look around my colleagues and 243 00:10:20,890 --> 00:10:24,310 sitting in the commons benches and when 244 00:10:22,540 --> 00:10:26,709 we have it a bit you know the very few 245 00:10:24,310 --> 00:10:28,480 of them speak up to stay in it's always 246 00:10:26,709 --> 00:10:31,510 the ones who want to leave we speak out 247 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:33,279 but I just I I genuinely cannot 248 00:10:31,510 --> 00:10:34,750 understand it I genuinely can't 249 00:10:33,279 --> 00:10:36,430 understand it because we've seen also 250 00:10:34,750 --> 00:10:38,410 with you know the tea tip the 251 00:10:36,430 --> 00:10:40,420 transatlantic trade partnership and all 252 00:10:38,410 --> 00:10:42,339 the problems that that could give and 253 00:10:40,420 --> 00:10:44,170 they're very opposed to that but they 254 00:10:42,339 --> 00:10:46,390 don't see the next step as being will 255 00:10:44,170 --> 00:10:48,040 actually this is not just the pointy tip 256 00:10:46,390 --> 00:10:49,930 this is about the way that you worked 257 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,190 and when you see what's happened to 258 00:10:49,930 --> 00:10:54,700 people in Greece and you see the way 259 00:10:51,190 --> 00:10:57,339 that they literally overthrew an elected 260 00:10:54,700 --> 00:10:59,230 government changed ministers when it 261 00:10:57,339 --> 00:11:01,120 suited the Commission I I don't 262 00:10:59,230 --> 00:11:04,660 understand that other than that there is 263 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:07,800 this I mean I can understand it on some 264 00:11:04,660 --> 00:11:10,150 of them what you'd call a hard left in 265 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:12,130 it who make who have this sort of 266 00:11:10,150 --> 00:11:13,540 sometimes internationalist idea that 267 00:11:12,130 --> 00:11:15,520 we're you know we shouldn't have any 268 00:11:13,540 --> 00:11:18,970 borders and we're internationalist and 269 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:21,160 therefore you know the EU is is a is a 270 00:11:18,970 --> 00:11:22,540 way towards that I I think actually i 271 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,560 believe i'm much more of an 272 00:11:22,540 --> 00:11:26,730 international 273 00:11:23,560 --> 00:11:29,550 and you know the EU to me is a is a 274 00:11:26,730 --> 00:11:32,350 construct that is tiny to start with is 275 00:11:29,550 --> 00:11:35,320 getting getting less important 276 00:11:32,350 --> 00:11:37,000 economically and I just think it's one 277 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:40,839 of those things you know it only would 278 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:42,760 take a few more leaders within the party 279 00:11:40,839 --> 00:11:46,089 at a certain level to change their mind 280 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:47,520 for an awful lot I'm afraid of well I'd 281 00:11:46,089 --> 00:11:50,830 be pleased but for an awful lot of our 282 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:52,450 backbench mps to simply follow i think 283 00:11:50,830 --> 00:11:55,060 what we've got now is a lot more 284 00:11:52,450 --> 00:11:58,240 politicians coming into Parliament who 285 00:11:55,060 --> 00:11:59,920 are not prepared to really think for 286 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,540 themselves and I are upset a lot of my 287 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:04,900 colleagues but I think it's true they 288 00:12:01,540 --> 00:12:08,020 follow the line and if the line is to 289 00:12:04,900 --> 00:12:11,100 say we are unashamedly want to stay in 290 00:12:08,020 --> 00:12:14,350 we missed an opportunity during the 291 00:12:11,100 --> 00:12:16,060 leadership election where all of the 292 00:12:14,350 --> 00:12:17,830 candidates said they wanted to reform 293 00:12:16,060 --> 00:12:19,300 none of them said what they wanted to 294 00:12:17,830 --> 00:12:20,890 reform you know we missed an opportunity 295 00:12:19,300 --> 00:12:22,870 to have liked a bit and it hasn't been 296 00:12:20,890 --> 00:12:24,850 at a bit in the party and I'm absolutely 297 00:12:22,870 --> 00:12:27,520 confident that as the time goes on even 298 00:12:24,850 --> 00:12:29,560 before June the 23rd you know we're 299 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:31,660 getting so many more people writing in 300 00:12:29,560 --> 00:12:33,490 sending emails saying oh it's great 301 00:12:31,660 --> 00:12:35,530 there's somebody out there speaking what 302 00:12:33,490 --> 00:12:37,630 can we do to help and the trade unions 303 00:12:35,530 --> 00:12:39,100 are shifting a bit as well but I don't 304 00:12:37,630 --> 00:12:43,540 have a simple explanation other than 305 00:12:39,100 --> 00:12:46,270 voting loyalty to their party well it's 306 00:12:43,540 --> 00:12:49,390 fascinating it's a long way to go you 307 00:12:46,270 --> 00:12:51,610 and I I'm sure we'll cross each other's 308 00:12:49,390 --> 00:12:54,160 paths in the course of this referendum 309 00:12:51,610 --> 00:12:55,810 but here's my prediction mm-hmm we're 310 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:58,510 going to win and Britain will withdraw 311 00:12:55,810 --> 00:13:01,060 from the well you I think that we will 312 00:12:58,510 --> 00:13:02,320 have a celebration after that because I 313 00:13:01,060 --> 00:13:03,820 think that would be the most wonderful 314 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:07,089 team to the country let's have in 315 00:13:03,820 --> 00:13:10,150 Brixton que toi thanks for joining us on 316 00:13:07,089 --> 00:13:12,580 the sputnik coming up next is a cricket 317 00:13:10,150 --> 00:13:15,390 and football agent but an unusual one 318 00:13:12,580 --> 00:13:15,390 stay tuned 319 00:13:18,390 --> 00:13:23,800 welcome back to Sputnik it's a man's 320 00:13:21,370 --> 00:13:26,800 world especially in football and cricket 321 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:28,780 more women than ever play the games but 322 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:31,300 not many get paid for it at least paid 323 00:13:28,780 --> 00:13:34,180 enough to make it worthwhile to have an 324 00:13:31,300 --> 00:13:35,770 agent our next guest is such an agent 325 00:13:34,180 --> 00:13:37,870 and i'm proud to say britain's very 326 00:13:35,770 --> 00:13:39,730 first woman agent in international 327 00:13:37,870 --> 00:13:41,890 cricket for the english cricket board 328 00:13:39,730 --> 00:13:44,260 she's also director at Lancashire 329 00:13:41,890 --> 00:13:46,060 cricket and football association she's a 330 00:13:44,260 --> 00:13:49,120 model too and I'm delighted to welcome 331 00:13:46,060 --> 00:13:51,100 Farah gorci on board the Sputnik Farrah 332 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:53,590 thank you for coming welcome aboard the 333 00:13:51,100 --> 00:13:55,990 Sputnik coming Tuesday its international 334 00:13:53,590 --> 00:13:58,810 women's day and you have made such a 335 00:13:55,990 --> 00:14:01,060 breakthrough in this man's world and not 336 00:13:58,810 --> 00:14:03,070 only is the first woman agent but also 337 00:14:01,060 --> 00:14:05,200 as an Asian tell us about your journey 338 00:14:03,070 --> 00:14:07,570 in your world I'm it's been quite an 339 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:11,290 exciting one I've always had a passion 340 00:14:07,570 --> 00:14:14,860 for sport and cricket as you know being 341 00:14:11,290 --> 00:14:16,450 Asian and crickets energy and so I've 342 00:14:14,860 --> 00:14:19,060 been brought with cricket and i love it 343 00:14:16,450 --> 00:14:21,370 i have a passion for cricket football as 344 00:14:19,060 --> 00:14:24,820 well but then again a very have sports 345 00:14:21,370 --> 00:14:27,700 but i am i took my exam at the English 346 00:14:24,820 --> 00:14:31,720 cricket board got my license in april 347 00:14:27,700 --> 00:14:33,910 2014 and from then on it's just been a 348 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:36,880 roller coaster of so many opportunities 349 00:14:33,910 --> 00:14:39,190 of opened up and i am really proud to 350 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:42,370 say i am you know UK's first cricket 351 00:14:39,190 --> 00:14:45,070 agent and as far as is in theme with the 352 00:14:42,370 --> 00:14:48,420 International Women's Day it's it's nice 353 00:14:45,070 --> 00:14:51,730 to be involved in such a male-dominated 354 00:14:48,420 --> 00:14:54,100 industry you say that crickets in the 355 00:14:51,730 --> 00:14:58,540 genes of Asian people and of course 356 00:14:54,100 --> 00:15:00,910 that's true but mainly Asian men in so 357 00:14:58,540 --> 00:15:03,630 far as that's the case is there a 358 00:15:00,910 --> 00:15:06,460 reaction from some of those Asian men 359 00:15:03,630 --> 00:15:10,060 about women cricketers coming through 360 00:15:06,460 --> 00:15:11,770 and about you as a as the first cricket 361 00:15:10,060 --> 00:15:14,710 agent I mean if I was asked this 362 00:15:11,770 --> 00:15:16,840 question prior to me getting involved in 363 00:15:14,710 --> 00:15:20,830 international cricket I would have been 364 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:22,870 reluctant somewhat apprehensive but only 365 00:15:20,830 --> 00:15:24,820 recently I've been involved in pakistan 366 00:15:22,870 --> 00:15:27,730 super league so I was in dubai last week 367 00:15:24,820 --> 00:15:30,200 and i have two clients in the pakistan 368 00:15:27,730 --> 00:15:33,830 international team and the amount of 369 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:35,840 respect and warmth and welcome and you 370 00:15:33,830 --> 00:15:38,630 know one of my clients actually turn on 371 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:40,220 to me and said we respect a lot that you 372 00:15:38,630 --> 00:15:43,880 know there are so many characters in 373 00:15:40,220 --> 00:15:46,400 cricket in sport alone but from we know 374 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:48,010 as Asia men can be quite a tough you 375 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:51,230 know tough community to deal with 376 00:15:48,010 --> 00:15:54,050 challenging as well so I received a lot 377 00:15:51,230 --> 00:15:56,180 of respect and warfare and it crashes 378 00:15:54,050 --> 00:15:58,280 down one more barrier for me that I've 379 00:15:56,180 --> 00:16:01,100 made through the asian you know the 380 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:04,550 Asian industry not only that the men and 381 00:16:01,100 --> 00:16:07,370 now from that trip alone and supporting 382 00:16:04,550 --> 00:16:09,440 this super league as well I've had more 383 00:16:07,370 --> 00:16:12,440 work generated more people are coming my 384 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:15,140 way so I would say is a woman yet it's 385 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:17,150 challenging but then I've used it to my 386 00:16:15,140 --> 00:16:19,100 advantage and I'm passionate about what 387 00:16:17,150 --> 00:16:21,860 I do so if someone can see that I goes 388 00:16:19,100 --> 00:16:24,410 again hand in hand in what I do and the 389 00:16:21,860 --> 00:16:27,410 players they they have a lot of respect 390 00:16:24,410 --> 00:16:30,620 a night and I like I like humming that 391 00:16:27,410 --> 00:16:33,320 respect because you know sometimes you 392 00:16:30,620 --> 00:16:35,990 see that in a sports and environment 393 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:39,110 that women do and you know it's it does 394 00:16:35,990 --> 00:16:44,210 about the crusty old white men in 395 00:16:39,110 --> 00:16:47,720 blazers will run cricket and much of the 396 00:16:44,210 --> 00:16:50,120 football association to is their main 397 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:52,190 problem with you that you're an Asian or 398 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:55,010 that you're a woman I wouldn't say it's 399 00:16:52,190 --> 00:16:57,530 a problem if I'm honest um I've again 400 00:16:55,010 --> 00:17:00,050 I've been over to Lourdes and I'll be 401 00:16:57,530 --> 00:17:02,330 one hundred percent honest I walked into 402 00:17:00,050 --> 00:17:04,910 lords in the members area and this was 403 00:17:02,330 --> 00:17:09,110 last summer and everyone had to take a 404 00:17:04,910 --> 00:17:12,230 double take and I was the only Asian in 405 00:17:09,110 --> 00:17:14,570 the members area the Lord's the the Lord 406 00:17:12,230 --> 00:17:17,959 so much very large quick ignore sorry 407 00:17:14,570 --> 00:17:20,780 I'm and that was surprising yet there 408 00:17:17,959 --> 00:17:24,290 was no you know though you more 409 00:17:20,780 --> 00:17:26,120 surprised looks and I'm good friends are 410 00:17:24,290 --> 00:17:28,610 people at the English England cricket 411 00:17:26,120 --> 00:17:30,950 board more to say the Chairman Colin 412 00:17:28,610 --> 00:17:33,710 Graves who I know very well who's very 413 00:17:30,950 --> 00:17:36,290 supportive in what I do and some what I 414 00:17:33,710 --> 00:17:38,380 use them as a mentor and and I think 415 00:17:36,290 --> 00:17:43,280 it's just there will always be 416 00:17:38,380 --> 00:17:43,940 prejudiced within certain areas with an 417 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,549 auspol 418 00:17:43,940 --> 00:17:49,700 but again I think the responsibility 419 00:17:46,549 --> 00:17:52,220 lies with a person themselves too okay 420 00:17:49,700 --> 00:17:54,379 there is the prejudiced and there is 421 00:17:52,220 --> 00:17:56,629 certain barriers you have to overcome 422 00:17:54,379 --> 00:17:59,809 but I'd like to think I'm an optimistic 423 00:17:56,629 --> 00:18:02,840 person and I like to think I can I can 424 00:17:59,809 --> 00:18:05,840 charm them in a in a professional manner 425 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:08,779 enough to accept me to work you know to 426 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:11,269 work side-by-side with me well you got 427 00:18:08,779 --> 00:18:14,059 off lightly in the members area at 428 00:18:11,269 --> 00:18:18,259 Lord's because a black woman Labour MP 429 00:18:14,059 --> 00:18:22,399 reported this week that another MP a 430 00:18:18,259 --> 00:18:25,039 white conservative male MP when she got 431 00:18:22,399 --> 00:18:28,669 into the members lift said you know this 432 00:18:25,039 --> 00:18:31,639 lift actually isn't for cleaners but she 433 00:18:28,669 --> 00:18:34,730 was an elected member of parliament Don 434 00:18:31,639 --> 00:18:37,820 Butler is her around so if all you go 435 00:18:34,730 --> 00:18:40,909 was a double take you got off lightly 436 00:18:37,820 --> 00:18:44,450 now for the viewers who don't know this 437 00:18:40,909 --> 00:18:47,029 world um tell us what you actually do as 438 00:18:44,450 --> 00:18:49,159 an agent on my company's called think 439 00:18:47,029 --> 00:18:52,340 sports and it's a sports management 440 00:18:49,159 --> 00:18:54,350 company so we do contract negotiations 441 00:18:52,340 --> 00:18:58,389 we do sponsorship deals we do brand 442 00:18:54,350 --> 00:19:00,980 endorsements we do commercials we do PR 443 00:18:58,389 --> 00:19:04,360 basically as much as an agent and as a 444 00:19:00,980 --> 00:19:07,309 manager we can do we take under our belt 445 00:19:04,360 --> 00:19:09,259 only to only recently I've been involved 446 00:19:07,309 --> 00:19:11,750 once I've been over into by with 447 00:19:09,259 --> 00:19:15,259 broadcasting rights for the next series 448 00:19:11,750 --> 00:19:17,419 of psl so again it's I've got my degree 449 00:19:15,259 --> 00:19:20,450 in sports management so whether I get 450 00:19:17,419 --> 00:19:23,629 where i can utilize my degree and bring 451 00:19:20,450 --> 00:19:25,460 in generate more income I will do and on 452 00:19:23,629 --> 00:19:27,529 the player itself there's a lot to do 453 00:19:25,460 --> 00:19:29,659 with the player you can do interviews 454 00:19:27,529 --> 00:19:31,220 magazine interviews paper entry so 455 00:19:29,659 --> 00:19:33,500 you're basically their PR their 456 00:19:31,220 --> 00:19:34,940 publicist and then away from that you're 457 00:19:33,500 --> 00:19:36,860 looking at your company as a whole and 458 00:19:34,940 --> 00:19:38,960 you're trying to promote that through me 459 00:19:36,860 --> 00:19:41,450 do you get you to your own PR as well 460 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:43,879 and sponsorships commercial deals a lot 461 00:19:41,450 --> 00:19:46,419 you have problem solver I mean for 462 00:19:43,879 --> 00:19:49,399 example let's imagine a hypothetical 463 00:19:46,419 --> 00:19:51,860 cricket star or football star gets 464 00:19:49,399 --> 00:19:55,009 themselves into a bit of trouble do they 465 00:19:51,860 --> 00:19:56,220 call you yes and I've had the call soul 466 00:19:55,009 --> 00:19:58,500 is there yeah 467 00:19:56,220 --> 00:20:02,490 sir I've had a couple of those yeah a 468 00:19:58,500 --> 00:20:04,890 couple of clients and I've and just to 469 00:20:02,490 --> 00:20:06,870 you know just have people in on on board 470 00:20:04,890 --> 00:20:08,970 to assist me and i have a dr our 471 00:20:06,870 --> 00:20:11,070 psychologist sport psychologist richard 472 00:20:08,970 --> 00:20:14,480 dean who I work with quite closely as 473 00:20:11,070 --> 00:20:18,179 well and recently a client has been 474 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:19,740 through a bit of a tough tough time and 475 00:20:18,179 --> 00:20:21,210 they will get on the phone to me whether 476 00:20:19,740 --> 00:20:24,900 it be three o'clock in the morning 477 00:20:21,210 --> 00:20:26,580 whether it be four o'clock or I am their 478 00:20:24,900 --> 00:20:29,640 agent and they can pick up the phone to 479 00:20:26,580 --> 00:20:32,880 me and yeah i like to think as a manager 480 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:35,669 and that i'm also a mentor and not your 481 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:37,590 classic asian that just comes in because 482 00:20:35,669 --> 00:20:39,600 agent says revenge it's never a good 483 00:20:37,590 --> 00:20:42,120 name was good you've taken the was right 484 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:46,260 my mouth because they really don't know 485 00:20:42,120 --> 00:20:49,620 i mean alex ferguson and many others 486 00:20:46,260 --> 00:20:54,270 although mr. Ferguson's son also became 487 00:20:49,620 --> 00:20:59,610 an agent but it's often the case the 488 00:20:54,270 --> 00:21:02,730 agents are cursed as being a part of a 489 00:20:59,610 --> 00:21:05,730 desperation of the game really yes and I 490 00:21:02,730 --> 00:21:08,490 if I'm being honest I have seen that 491 00:21:05,730 --> 00:21:10,710 with other agents and i genuinely 492 00:21:08,490 --> 00:21:13,650 believe it's a title it somewhat is a 493 00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:16,500 poison chalice you can take it and no 494 00:21:13,650 --> 00:21:18,059 matter how good you are your client so 495 00:21:16,500 --> 00:21:21,120 if they say something or you know 496 00:21:18,059 --> 00:21:25,500 something in the relationship doesn't go 497 00:21:21,120 --> 00:21:27,809 as planned then yes it's it's similar to 498 00:21:25,500 --> 00:21:29,669 any other role I would say as a director 499 00:21:27,809 --> 00:21:34,080 as a manager when you're managing people 500 00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:36,030 I think that's it's crucial that you are 501 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:38,309 yourself one hundred percent and I say 502 00:21:36,030 --> 00:21:40,919 this because when I've dealt on the 503 00:21:38,309 --> 00:21:44,909 football side i would say it there is a 504 00:21:40,919 --> 00:21:47,429 it would be if i can use a mercurial 505 00:21:44,909 --> 00:21:49,020 than cricket so you have to be in 506 00:21:47,429 --> 00:21:51,720 scituate yeah in different situations 507 00:21:49,020 --> 00:21:54,360 you have to try and be yourself at all 508 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:56,850 times your principles and morals and 509 00:21:54,360 --> 00:21:58,980 values are always challenged so whether 510 00:21:56,850 --> 00:22:01,289 then the agent takes that on board and 511 00:21:58,980 --> 00:22:03,960 things well you know i'm making my money 512 00:22:01,289 --> 00:22:06,840 here i'm going to it really the 513 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:08,460 responsibility really does lie with the 514 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:11,550 person themselves 515 00:22:08,460 --> 00:22:13,110 I don't think it's fair and I would say 516 00:22:11,550 --> 00:22:15,120 this is a major I don't think it's fair 517 00:22:13,110 --> 00:22:17,160 to talk every Asian with the same brush 518 00:22:15,120 --> 00:22:19,560 and say he's just it's just that they're 519 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:23,370 always after more money for their client 520 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:25,380 that's their job yes and they're 521 00:22:23,370 --> 00:22:27,840 encouraging their client to follow the 522 00:22:25,380 --> 00:22:30,510 money and therefore the idea of team 523 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:32,970 loyalty club loyalty community loyalty 524 00:22:30,510 --> 00:22:35,220 goes out the window and no matter how 525 00:22:32,970 --> 00:22:37,140 many times they kiss the badge yeah 526 00:22:35,220 --> 00:22:39,000 undershirt if you come along with a 527 00:22:37,140 --> 00:22:40,650 better or further you've got them from 528 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:44,520 someone else well they'll be kissing a 529 00:22:40,650 --> 00:22:46,890 different bag that is true for with a 530 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:49,320 lot of my players and I say this only 531 00:22:46,890 --> 00:22:52,440 for myself and I speak purely for myself 532 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:55,080 and for my client seats there's always a 533 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:57,180 good balance the money has to match the 534 00:22:55,080 --> 00:23:00,060 person's criteria of who they are and 535 00:22:57,180 --> 00:23:02,400 how well they can you know how well they 536 00:23:00,060 --> 00:23:04,830 are on pitch to deserve the respect to 537 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:07,290 deserve that amount of money but also 538 00:23:04,830 --> 00:23:10,650 the loyalty to the club's managers I 539 00:23:07,290 --> 00:23:12,750 work closely when I phone worked with my 540 00:23:10,650 --> 00:23:16,170 cricketers especially and I've recently 541 00:23:12,750 --> 00:23:18,720 had this over at one club man I work 542 00:23:16,170 --> 00:23:22,080 closely with a coach with a CEO that 543 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:24,210 we're working hand-in-hand to make sure 544 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:26,670 my client is getting the best deal but 545 00:23:24,210 --> 00:23:29,430 not only that my clients also performing 546 00:23:26,670 --> 00:23:32,280 to the best he can so I always whenever 547 00:23:29,430 --> 00:23:34,080 I work my client with a club I make sure 548 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:36,300 there's this transparency the 549 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:38,850 relationships very transparent we are 550 00:23:36,300 --> 00:23:41,190 all singing off the same sheet so that 551 00:23:38,850 --> 00:23:43,410 no one can say his agent or her agent 552 00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:45,750 has come in they've asked this for this 553 00:23:43,410 --> 00:23:48,240 merge but yet when he's on field we 554 00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:51,090 don't we don't get the money matching 555 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:54,290 his talent so I will always come with a 556 00:23:51,090 --> 00:23:57,300 I'd like to think is quite a fair agent 557 00:23:54,290 --> 00:23:59,430 because for me it's important if my 558 00:23:57,300 --> 00:24:00,720 clients in the game long term if he's 559 00:23:59,430 --> 00:24:02,580 playing for different clubs of east 560 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,590 performing at the best he can on pitch 561 00:24:02,580 --> 00:24:06,900 and I'm doing the best I can off pitch 562 00:24:04,590 --> 00:24:09,990 as much made in heaven you can be our 563 00:24:06,900 --> 00:24:12,650 agent thank you thanks very much follow 564 00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:12,650 so much 565 00:24:13,270 --> 00:24:17,840 and now it's your turn to tell us what 566 00:24:15,890 --> 00:24:20,000 you think through the portals of social 567 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:22,310 media what's rattling gayatri so is it 568 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:25,640 time for the UK to finally bid adieu to 569 00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:28,190 the EU Martin Farrell said love Europe 570 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:31,970 and its people hate corrupt bureaucratic 571 00:24:28,190 --> 00:24:34,940 EU x4 banksters not the people and I'm 572 00:24:31,970 --> 00:24:36,800 30 it says I want out of the EU but I 573 00:24:34,940 --> 00:24:39,890 trust this government less than the EU 574 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:42,230 and the TTIP will still be an issue if 575 00:24:39,890 --> 00:24:43,610 we're out yeah of course but you can get 576 00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:46,370 rid of this government you can't get rid 577 00:24:43,610 --> 00:24:49,040 of the EU from sufferance to suffrage 578 00:24:46,370 --> 00:24:51,460 what about how has international women's 579 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:54,200 day today gave the lives of women 580 00:24:51,460 --> 00:24:57,020 Ricardo Picasso says equal rights for 581 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:59,300 all is a real and tangible goal for this 582 00:24:57,020 --> 00:25:01,870 generation but we have to do much more 583 00:24:59,300 --> 00:25:05,600 than talk about it only one day a year 584 00:25:01,870 --> 00:25:08,960 fair point there are so many days in the 585 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:11,780 year this day that day that 65 days of 586 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:14,960 for each every one of them is the day of 587 00:25:11,780 --> 00:25:18,260 our course but well look it does provoke 588 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:20,780 things we had to women guests today and 589 00:25:18,260 --> 00:25:23,120 we particularly set out to do that 590 00:25:20,780 --> 00:25:25,790 because it was international women's day 591 00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:27,380 so thank see these things do work in it 592 00:25:25,790 --> 00:25:29,240 that's all that we've got time for this 593 00:25:27,380 --> 00:25:30,860 week which alas means that's the end of 594 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:33,080 the show you can stay in touch with us 595 00:25:30,860 --> 00:25:35,690 through Twitter at RT underscore Sputnik 596 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:37,550 on facebook Sputnik on Russia today it's 597 00:25:35,690 --> 00:25:41,470 goodbye from me Gayathri and for me 598 00:25:37,550 --> 00:25:41,470 George Galloway it's been marvelous