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welcome on board the Sputnik orbiting

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the world with me haer Kara Mustafa

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standing in for George Galloway and

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still me gatri five years ago this month

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NATO's operation unified protector

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started in Libya the aim we were told

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was to avert an imminent massacre in

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Benghazi by stopping Gaddafi's Air Force

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from flying above the rebel city as it

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turned out the aim was standard regime

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change and after the brutal lynching of

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the Libyan leader the oil Rich North

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African nation started its long and

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predictable descent into chaos and

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lawlessness today the country is a

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failed State and has become a base for

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the terror Network Isis to discuss this

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in more detail and attempt to make sense

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of what has become a nonsensical

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situation is one of my favorite

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political analysts author of divide and

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ruin and journalist Dan glazbrook Dan

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welcome to the show thank you Dan um you

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know we were told initially that it was

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just a no-fly zone that we were about to

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save Libya from imminent Massacre you

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know what happened just talk us through

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the the origins really of the NATO

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intervention the UN resolution was

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actually implemented within about two or

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3 days the capacity of uh Gaddafi's Air

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Force to fly over Bengazi had been

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destroyed and from that moment on the

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invasion was illegal was not uh

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justified by the UN Invasion and the

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Mandate of of protecting civilians and

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actually became a war against the Libyan

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State and the destruction of the state

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institutions so yeah that that's

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absolutely right and Russia and China

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noted this they noted this is not what

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we signed up to the African nations who

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who' acquiesced in that motion

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explicitly said this is not what we

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signed up to uh but they go very quickly

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and obviously became regime change and

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it's it's interesting now over the past

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year we've had a number of admissions

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that actually the the goal was regime

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change from the start Clinton admitted

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this before a congressional committee

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last year Hillary Clinton um and Robert

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Gates very um openly and frankly said

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yes we've maintained a facade he said of

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uh that this wasn't about regime change

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but obviously it was so they've admitted

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now openly that this was about uh regime

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change although regime change itself is

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a euphemism actually what was going on

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was the destruction of the Libyan state

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and its institutions and um as you said

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gatri the the the predictable result of

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that was the chaos and lawlessness that

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we now see but they therefore deceit the

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liberally deceit Russia China 9 the

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other African States how did they get

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away with that yeah they did yeah they

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did um I mean what it's it's interesting

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there was an article in I think it was

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the um New York Review of Books if I'm

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not mistaken um that was looking in in

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detail at the um the African Union's

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intervention and role in actually

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creating the un uh resolution

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1973 the African Union Representatives

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insisted on actually uh articles one and

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two of this resolution being that all

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attempts would be first made to create a

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ceasefire in the country before any

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military activity took place and the

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African Union uh delegation actually

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worked hard to to uh Implement a

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ceasefire to get both sides to agree to

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a ceasefire and the Gaddafi government

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actually agreed um to the ceasefire

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proposal put forward by the African

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Union and we can see the commitment of

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the West to the resolution they signed

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up to by the fact that none of them take

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took it seriously none of them were

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interested in this they were only

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interested in prolonging and continuing

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the war to to the conclusion that we now

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see and Jacob zum had to fly back

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actually to Johannesburg because his

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plane was almost attacked when the

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bombing raid started yeah it's it's a

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clear indication really that there was

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no intention to see a peaceful

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resolution to this the burgeoning

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conflict at the time yeah that's right

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and and one of the reasons his plane was

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attacked was uh because of the racism

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that was a major uh a major motivation

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of a lot of the Rebel forces in Libya um

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this was completely downplayed and

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overlooked uh in the west and when it

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did start to come out that actually

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these Rebel mobs supported by NATO were

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massacring African migrants and so on it

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was justified by Western politicians on

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the grounds the spurious grounds that

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all of these African migrants who are

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being attacked and lynched and cut up

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and so on were all uh mercenaries for

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for Gaddafi Amnesty International

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actually looked into this and they said

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they couldn't find any evidence of any

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mercenaries in fact what was happening

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was that racist lynch mobs were going

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around massacring African migrants um

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and and and then claiming oh these are

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mercenaries for Gaddafi so a big part of

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the the motivation was was racist people

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uh the rebels objected to the fact that

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uh Libya had put uh put Libya into a

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leading position within the African

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Union they thought he wasting resources

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on promoting African Development Across

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the continent um he'd created an African

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Development Bank or the African Union

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had created an African develop

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Development Bank that Libya had

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contributed significant amounts of money

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to tens of billions of dollars to as

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well as an African monetary fund and all

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of these institutions were designed to

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free uh Africa from dependence on the

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extortionate Western financial

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institutions um but the a lot of the

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Libyan rebels saw this as was wasting

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Libya's money and so on they didn't like

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the fact that Libyan immigrants were

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given good conditions and jobs and so on

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in in Libya and this racism was a very

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clear part of the Rebellion that NATO uh

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signed up to uh from the very beginning

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and actually toga the only um black uh

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uh City in my understanding was

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completely ethnically cleansed um by the

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rebels with the full support of the NATO

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imposed transitional government there

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was a a report by the UN looking into

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the humanitarian impact of uh uh of well

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the humanitarian situation in in Libya

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right now which is obviously the result

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of the Fallout of what happened in 2011

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um and it shows the devastating impact

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um that that that that war has had the

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Libya don't forget in 2011 before this

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War uh was uh ranked highest in the UN

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human development index in Africa um it

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had the highest life expectancy on the

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continent it had the lowest infam

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mortality and so on um now that

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situation has been completely reversed

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now I think it said 2.44 million people

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are dependent on uh on Aid 1.3 million

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are Mal nourish lacking sufficient food

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and perhaps most devastatingly for a

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country of only 6 million people 1 .8

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million libyans have fled the country to

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Tunisia so I understand that the Libyan

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investment Authority Under Gaddafi they

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put quite some money in Prime locations

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and Estates all over the world including

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London and they even own 3% of the

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financial times when it was still owned

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by a person the question is where what

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happened to all that well a lot of that

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is still not been unlocked as still not

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been released back to Libya that's right

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um and it's interesting with the there's

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now well there's three or four rival

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governments now in Libya uh so there's

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the one based in Tripoli uh which is the

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remnants of the parliament that was

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elected in 2012 that then lost the

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election um in

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2014 um then there's the government set

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up by the Parliament that was elected in

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2014 which is based in t Brook these two

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have been at War um there's Isis as well

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and now there's a un uh so-called Unity

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government although it's interesting the

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the other two rival governments in

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opposing it that that's the only real

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and it's very interesting when this

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government was announced the other two

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actually the presidents of both

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parliaments signed a joint letter this

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is two Waring Parliament signed a joint

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letter to the UN saying neither of them

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recognize its Authority and yet this is

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being proposed as a as a Unity

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government now this been established for

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one reason only which is to provide a

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fig Leaf of legitimacy for the

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reoccupation of Libya that's now under

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away um with British forces and US

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forces and so on um but what's

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interesting is that uh the T Brook

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Parliament has been fighting against

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Isis has actually retaken uh Benghazi in

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recent months and has done so despite

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the fact that it's been fighting if you

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like with its hands tied uh behind its

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back none of these funds have been

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released to it uh and none of um uh that

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there's still an arms embargo in place

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they're not allowed to import any

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weapons or the though the other

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so-called islamist Parliament is

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getting weapons supplied by Qatar and so

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on Western allies uh so despite this

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it's managed to retake Benghazi from

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Isis and some of the other Associated

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groups um the other point is the you

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know remember the West set up this group

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the friends of Libya they said we're the

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friends of Libya right and what they

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meant is we're going to destroy the

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Libyan State um and these friends of

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Libya the World Health Organization put

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out a plea um this year for 50 million

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PS dollars of Aid of which it said it's

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received less than2 million

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so this is these are the friends of

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Libya these are the the friends that

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Syria can expect if the friends of Syria

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and and their their gangs ever come to

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power and the health Minister uh in

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Libya actually said that the budget for

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this year uh for 2016 is zero because

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none of these um funds Frozen funds are

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being released so this is this is the

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state and this is the devastation that's

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being wrough on Libya still today by

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NATO who's refusing to allow Libyan

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money to be spent on Libyan people so as

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long as this chaos continues the funds

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will continue to held where they are now

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no one is claiming them uh just down

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touching on on the previous point you

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made about a thousand British troops

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actually currently stationed supposedly

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stationed in Libya what do you make of

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that is it a good thing is it a bad

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thing can it make the situation any

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worse yeah well um I'm not sure if there

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are a thousand currently there we know

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there are at least some special forces

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there at the moment and there are plans

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for 6,000 European troops to occupy

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Libya of which the British contingent is

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expected to be a thousand that hasn't

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happened yet that's waiting for um uh

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for the okay from this so-called sham

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National Unity

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government now the the the British

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government keeps flip-flopping over this

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excuse for reoccupying Libya don't

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forget Britain and us have been

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clamoring to reoccupy Libya ever since

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their air bases were thrown out and

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their air bases were the biggest in in

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Africa in 1970 they were thrown out uh

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by Gaddafi and then they've never been

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back since they keep flip-flopping over

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the reasons for this the pretext then I

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have to cut you there I think a show on

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immigration actually deserves an entire

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program thanks again for being gu

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great coming up next an uprising that

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inspired a generation of uprisings

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against colonial rule stay

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tune welcome back to Sputnik a 100 years

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ago this Easter a group of Irish men

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rose up against oppressive British

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colonial rule proclaiming Independence

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of the Irish Republic triggering what is

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known today as the Easter Rising their

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movement not only inspired Ireland but

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ressed peoples from across the world AR

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bhedi one of the architects of algeria's

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War of Independence against France

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famously described the uprising as the

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spark that triggered his ambition to rid

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his country of its Colonial Masters

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although the Easter Rising was rapidly

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stemmed down by British forces

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Independence was only finally achieved 6

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years later to discuss this in more

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detail is a man behind the hugely

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successful Twitter handle crimes of

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Britain GID McNamara GID welcome on

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board thanks for having with me GID just

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give us a bit of context to the Easter

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Uprising you know what led these six

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Irish men to actually proclaim the Irish

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Republic and turn against British rulers

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well British Roy in Ireland was always

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so Fierce and dominant and if anything

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Ireland was used as a laboratory for

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Britain's Colonial escapades around the

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world practiced everything there the

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colonial police were formed in irland

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then sent around the world the

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oppression in IR at that time it was you

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know only the second poorest place in

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Europe after Russia under the Zar so the

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poverty was was immense people had

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nothing people were oppressed they were

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being sent off to fight in Belgium you

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know in the So-Cal defense of smaller

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Nations and obviously for Britain

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Ireland wasn't small enough a nation to

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be defended if you will so even Connelly

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when he was on his deathbed and Court

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Marshal mentioned that the British

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government has no right in line never

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will have any right and he also talked

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about this uh situation with sending

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Irishmen to Belgium to be butchered why

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can't they fight at home for their own

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Nation so from the Proclamation of 1916

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um the Irish Republic the British forces

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have always waged war on this entity uh

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it didn't disappear in 1916 it exists

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today and they continued to wage war on

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it you know it was a 32c county Irish

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Republic that was claimed not 26 not a

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three state and the British forces that

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came in in 1916 16,000 of them crushed

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it you know bombarded the place

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artillery Pierce surrender to save

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civilian lives it was a military

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surrender not a political one one thing

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that I find fascinating is although I

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mean Britain pretty much recognizes the

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atrocities committed in Africa in India

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there's very little talk in the National

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discourse about what happened in Ireland

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you know why is Irish oppression so

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absent from the national narrative first

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of all it's so close to home if you will

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for Britain uh it's almost like a for in

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their side the way they carry on with it

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I mean in the east of rising you had

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atrocities the North King Street

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Massacre shooting down innocent

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civilians and even even in recent

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history you know in in people's liftime

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here they've they've massacred Irish

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people on the streets so I think first

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of all there's um a very there's a

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racist element when it comes when it

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comes to Irish people in England you

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know they were the last people to be

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added to the race relations act the

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saying you know Luck of the Irish is uh

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actually meant the irony how unlucky

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they are it's nothing to do with any any

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kind of good luck or good fortune and uh

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John Lyon sung that song Luck of the

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Irish in in the proper context but I

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think in Britain they they see Ireland

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almost still and try and claim it you

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know with the British hours which is

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they use a geographical Colonial context

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to still lay claim to it and you know

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with the events at the weekend which

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they call Celebration but you know it

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should be a commemoration um even in

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Britain you know there's like um they

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called it an uprising if you said not a

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rising and negative connotation surround

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it you know calling a rebellion or what

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have you but but the that's that's the

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British side of it but what about the

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Irish itself you being a young Irish man

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how do the Irish people today look back

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at at that um well this year it's been

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spoken about more than any other time in

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in history arguably you know so I think

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for the Youth um they're certainly

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taking an interest and there's a lot of

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revisionism going on that has to be said

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there's a lot of revisionism the Irish

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Republic is 32 counties it's not the 26

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counties that that free state and is not

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the Irish Republic and they don't they

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obviously don't educate people is very

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simple but they dare not mention that

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the what these PE people died for in

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1916 was not what the situation we have

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today and you know in 1916 the British

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didn't leave in 1922 they didn't leave

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in 49 no and c in 98 you still have a

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continued occupation in Ireland a few

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months ago on your seat Set uh Senator

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David Norris okay and he described that

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the that the proclamation the Revolution

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was actually just a replacement of flags

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what do you think of that well you know

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colony did say you know just TOS in the

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green flag they're going to still rule

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us for our land laws and our capitalists

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and all this I think um I don't agree

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with with his position but um certainly

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the island that we have today there

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there's very little difference from it

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it is a British created State it's not

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an Irish state it is cre it was created

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by a British king you know it's not um

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what the men died for in 196 certainly

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not well coming back to the youth

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actually I'm quite interested in seeing

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because obviously Irish societ has

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changed considerably in the past 20

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years I mean it recently voted in favor

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of gay marriage and this was previously

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sort of very conservative Catholic

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Society so you can see that there's been

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a massive shift in in culture and

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thinking and I'm just curious as to

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whether you know the youth are familiar

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with the struggle of their ancestors do

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they relate to it and also are they

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aware of the influence their ancestors

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actually had across the globe I would

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say they don't I think even in Ireland

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today the elephant in the room is the

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North didn't see it mentioned at all so

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when it comes to what happened you know

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they won know about Chittagong in India

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that they done a commemoration in April

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to coincide with it Uprising against the

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British and they knew it was going to

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fail but they took Spirit from the Irish

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Rebellion you know Marcus Garvey um he

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was inspired by hoochi Min and even in

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Egypt in 1919 you know it had massive

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impacts there was probably more

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solidarity and links then than there is

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today you know it's almost Island sort

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at one stage was not really seen as part

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of Europe just as a colony but now it is

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part of Europe you know people there

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seems they almost have

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become part of Britain in a in a way

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that they've accepted British culture

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Irish culture is is almost like um at

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the weekend almost you know it's like a

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carnival um for some people rather than

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what it should be about of commemorating

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and remembering that it's unfinished um

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you had parading Co island called

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unfinished Revolution because it is it's

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it is unfinished and it's continuing

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well speaking of Unfinished um obviously

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it had it left the proclamation of

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independence left a bitter taste because

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obviously it's not the whole of Island

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that was liberated or became independent

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what is your take on a completely

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independent island is that feasible or

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do you think that actually what is known

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as the six counties of of ala do they

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still want to remain under the British

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crown well in 1918 the Irish people

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voted for Island be unified um as one

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and the colonial state in the north uh

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which was founded by supremacist

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secretary in Jerry Mander state so the

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Mandate for Irish freedom is there from

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1916 1918 that resides still today in

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the army of the Irish Republic they've

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got the authority it was given to them

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by the third door um it stands with them

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they don't need in today's society

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people to go we need you here Pearce and

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Conley didn't expect everybody to get

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involved they wanted them to pledge

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their allegiance to the Irish Republic

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obviously but they didn't expect people

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to get behind it there's always a

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minority that will oppos British for the

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majority in Ireland you know they might

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lend support now and again but generally

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they they stick with a status quo and as

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long as you've got you know the unionist

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feto in the north I mean it's it's a

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very tricky situation you can't vote in

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my opinion on a country's Independence

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it's beneath its dignity and what you

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know if if if it goes the wrong way

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you're reinforcing Colonial occupation

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it's my experience is that the people uh

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in the north are more aware and more

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more active in their wish to be unified

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rather than people in the north they're

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complacent to the white elephant isn't

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it they're living under the occupation

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you know it's around them and there's a

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lot of splits and everything in Ireland

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obviously which is throughout Irish

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history people have split it's and pass

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it's history repeating itself almost but

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again as long as you've got almost you

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know people working as British crown

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reformers and you're not going to get

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anywhere because they've been drooped um

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you gone back to constit not even

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constitutional nationalism arguably even

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beyond that um so republicanism at the

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moment is in an interesting phe and

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arguably at his worst point but you're

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you're a young guy and you've obviously

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mastered social media what would you do

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to engage the sort of Irish youth who at

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the very least should be made aware of

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their Noble history certainly I think

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first of all you know many people when

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you when you mention the word Ira is

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seen as immediately terrorist and the

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men that carried out 196 were the

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unified together as in brotherly Unity

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you know the citizen Army who were the

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Socialists came to go over the Irish

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volunteers um I think to get the youth

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engaged it's first of all we have to get

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back to basics and people need to

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understand that the 32 counties is the

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Irish Republic and the states we're

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living in now are two illegitimate

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states that have been created purely to

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wage war in that Republic and they've

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waged war in it ever since 1916 and

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continue to do so it's um it's the

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British way almost well you've got

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30,000 followers so I'm guessing you get

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a big conversation flowing there you

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certainly I think I put stuff out from

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all over the world with the Irish stuff

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it is um certainly I don't try and

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revise any histic to to the facts and um

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people do retweet and all this kind of

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carry on and do engage in discussion but

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again people seem to think that because

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of 26 counties independent in 1922 so

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they say they that that part is done but

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really that that is a big problem when

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it comes to reunifying Ireland and it's

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not a simple job of just the six joining

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the 26 you you've actually got to go

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with the Mandate that what colony died

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for what Pierce died for they didn't die

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for what we have today certainly

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fascinating discussion gy thank you very

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much for being on the show you've been a

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great guest

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thanks so it's that time of the show

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when we find out what you guys have had

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to say about the topics discussed today

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gatri what's being said on the Twitter

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sphere well on uh Easter Rising

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Centenary of it Colette says thank God

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for the brave men and women who led the

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way to eventual partial freedom and L

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Goen says the Irish are still oppressed

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Now by Irish politicians who have

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contempt for the people I'm afraid

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that's the fate of all of us to be

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honest impressive politicians are

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founded every actually um about um uh

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NATO's Air Forces 5 years ago Li today

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being a basically a a basket case

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watching Pakistan says Libya was the

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most prosperous nation in Africa thanks

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to Western intervention it's now

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Afghanistan

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2.0 well I'm afraid that's it really

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every Western intervention in the middle

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east of Africa has made a very bad

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situation worse we only keep going on

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that way and those are all the tweets

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for today sadly that's the end of the

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show with me half Sakara Mustafa

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standing in for George Galloway and me

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gatri but you can stay with us on

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Twitter at rtor Sputnik on Facebook

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Sputnik on Russia today until next week

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it's been marvelous

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