1 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:08,159 [Music] 2 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,639 I get 3 00:00:30,620 --> 00:00:33,670 [Music] 4 00:00:36,559 --> 00:00:41,640 welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world 5 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:44,079 with me George Gallow and me gatri when 6 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:46,520 I was 18 years old British paratroopers 7 00:00:44,079 --> 00:00:48,719 opened fire on unarmed demonstrators 8 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:51,280 protesting in what the state regarded as 9 00:00:48,719 --> 00:00:54,120 its own streets in the city of der in 10 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:57,399 the north of Ireland 14 people were 11 00:00:54,120 --> 00:01:00,079 killed in broad daylight it was 42 years 12 00:00:57,399 --> 00:01:02,920 ago this very week a rubrica had been 13 00:01:00,079 --> 00:01:05,439 crossed nothing was ever the same again 14 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:07,360 in Britain or in Ireland as part of the 15 00:01:05,439 --> 00:01:09,520 Good Friday agreement the British State 16 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:11,520 agreed to set up a public inquiry into 17 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:14,200 the events it proved the longest and 18 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:17,560 most expensive in history 12 years 19 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:19,560 costing £200 million the champion of the 20 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:21,680 victims families and Britain's most 21 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:24,280 celebrated Queen council is Michael 22 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:27,280 Mansfield QC and I'm glad to say he now 23 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:29,720 joins us on board the Sputnik Michael 24 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,640 thank you very much indeed for joining 25 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,720 us 26 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:35,040 this very week on the eve of the 27 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:37,479 anniversary some people in some parts of 28 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:40,079 Derry were climbing up lamp posts 29 00:01:37,479 --> 00:01:41,960 hanging the paraphernalia and flags of 30 00:01:40,079 --> 00:01:44,960 the parachute regiment who did The 31 00:01:41,960 --> 00:01:47,000 Killing uh on Bloody Sunday so clearly 32 00:01:44,960 --> 00:01:50,240 the issues the divisions in the 33 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:54,799 community haven't gone away but I wanted 34 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:57,640 to ask you as the uh leading champion of 35 00:01:54,799 --> 00:02:01,039 the families in the saval inquiry if you 36 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:02,920 think that the families got Justice well 37 00:02:01,039 --> 00:02:04,640 the families are the ones to answer that 38 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,880 but I happen to know what they would say 39 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:08,039 were they sitting right here with us now 40 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:11,480 because they've been asked it many many 41 00:02:08,039 --> 00:02:15,000 times and the answer is always the same 42 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:17,239 absolutely yes unequivocal yes and the 43 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:19,120 reason they say that is as in your 44 00:02:17,239 --> 00:02:21,800 introduction I mean you you have to 45 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:24,920 think of the historical context in which 46 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:28,360 it was launched they campaigned for that 47 00:02:24,920 --> 00:02:30,840 for a long long time uh and eventually 48 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:35,280 persuaded across the divide across the 49 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:37,280 political divide uh a Tory leader and a 50 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:39,080 labor leader that this was the way 51 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:41,080 forward and they both agreed at that one 52 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:44,239 time that there should be a public 53 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:46,080 inquiry of the kind that was uh 54 00:02:44,239 --> 00:02:48,440 eventually instigated now the kind that 55 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:52,159 was in it's not like any other it was 56 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:54,560 itself historical I mean you were asking 57 00:02:52,159 --> 00:02:56,879 the panel there to look back over 30 58 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:59,519 years and if you can imagine trying to 59 00:02:56,879 --> 00:03:01,040 troll over 30 years and trying to bring 60 00:02:59,519 --> 00:03:03,200 in the evidence of all the various 61 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:06,599 stages the buildup to what happened on 62 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:09,239 Bloody Sunday it was an amazing exercise 63 00:03:06,599 --> 00:03:11,360 and I think eventually we'll be seen as 64 00:03:09,239 --> 00:03:13,239 a sort of historical epic to have 65 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:15,360 conducted I know it it cost money of 66 00:03:13,239 --> 00:03:17,519 course it did but the people involved in 67 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,879 it felt at the end of the day as part of 68 00:03:17,519 --> 00:03:23,159 the peace process this was putting 69 00:03:19,879 --> 00:03:25,280 things on record and putting the record 70 00:03:23,159 --> 00:03:27,920 straight because you will remember these 71 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:30,040 particular families were branded as 72 00:03:27,920 --> 00:03:32,319 terrorists themselves and and they 73 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:34,239 denied it and they were blamed and they 74 00:03:32,319 --> 00:03:38,080 wanted that to be sloughed off and in 75 00:03:34,239 --> 00:03:41,040 the end it was there's been no charges 76 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:43,480 yeah am I right in saying arising out of 77 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:46,560 it although the body of evidence itself 78 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:48,879 could not be used as part of the deal 79 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,920 for prosecution people who gave evidence 80 00:03:48,879 --> 00:03:52,360 could have then been reinterviewed by 81 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,760 the police and have given the same 82 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:57,799 evidence and it could have been induced 83 00:03:54,760 --> 00:04:00,000 to Bringing people to book we have a 84 00:03:57,799 --> 00:04:03,239 fairly clear idea they're named as a A 85 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:06,799 and B and C and so on of who was firing 86 00:04:03,239 --> 00:04:08,879 these fatal shots at unarmed peaceful 87 00:04:06,799 --> 00:04:12,720 demonstrators on the streets of the 88 00:04:08,879 --> 00:04:15,239 British State uh but no one has been 89 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:17,479 brought to book I think it gives rise to 90 00:04:15,239 --> 00:04:19,919 a very interesting it's a 91 00:04:17,479 --> 00:04:23,320 dilemma uh for the families some of the 92 00:04:19,919 --> 00:04:25,080 families and the first point is this I 93 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:27,440 always viewed it a little bit like the 94 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:29,759 South African Truth and Reconciliation 95 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:31,840 Commission in other words it was a NE 96 00:04:29,759 --> 00:04:34,800 necessary Lancing of the boil in order 97 00:04:31,840 --> 00:04:37,240 to move on in other words you you put on 98 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:41,440 record what really happened and for some 99 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:44,400 people that was actually enough to get 100 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:45,840 that RIT large as it were over history 101 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:48,199 to get the truth 102 00:04:45,840 --> 00:04:49,600 known but for others it wasn't because 103 00:04:48,199 --> 00:04:51,960 they want accountability they want 104 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:53,840 somebody at the end of the day to be 105 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,759 made accountable in other words 106 00:04:53,840 --> 00:04:57,800 prosecuted so there's a division of 107 00:04:55,759 --> 00:04:59,880 opinion not all the families necessarily 108 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:03,160 think the same way and of course there 109 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:05,960 is as with South Africa there was an 110 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:08,199 interesting um as it were formula worked 111 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:10,759 out now in the in the da case the 112 00:05:08,199 --> 00:05:13,360 formula was this it wasn't that the 113 00:05:10,759 --> 00:05:16,160 evidence in the inquiry couldn't be 114 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:19,280 used the evidence that you give against 115 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:21,919 yourself couldn't be used against you 116 00:05:19,280 --> 00:05:23,880 but if you gave evidence against me what 117 00:05:21,919 --> 00:05:26,240 you said in the inquiry against me could 118 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:28,319 be used okay so it's it's an interesting 119 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:30,560 and in South Africa they had a slightly 120 00:05:28,319 --> 00:05:31,639 different arrangement and I think it's 121 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,880 very important for the future because 122 00:05:31,639 --> 00:05:35,360 there are all sorts of theaters of war 123 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,080 in the world where this sort of 124 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:39,520 arrangement should be considered in 125 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,880 South Africa what they said was well 126 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:43,720 we're going to give you the opportunity 127 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:44,680 you the perpetrator to meet the victim 128 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:49,160 and we're going to give you the 129 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:51,680 opportunity to confess now if you don't 130 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:55,080 confess then you might be prosecuted but 131 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:56,120 if you do confess then you get immunity 132 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,039 now of course that's a slightly 133 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:59,880 different Arrangement but it produced 134 00:05:58,039 --> 00:06:01,840 all sorts of uh people coming coming out 135 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:03,280 of the woodwork and rising to the 136 00:06:01,840 --> 00:06:05,680 surface and so the people in South 137 00:06:03,280 --> 00:06:07,360 Africa felt expensive though that was 138 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,280 that it was an exercise well worth 139 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:11,039 undertaking so I think going back to 140 00:06:09,280 --> 00:06:13,319 Derry I think the families say to 141 00:06:11,039 --> 00:06:15,199 themselves and will say to the world we 142 00:06:13,319 --> 00:06:17,400 did get Justice in the end of the day 143 00:06:15,199 --> 00:06:20,479 and if you been there as I was on the 144 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:22,639 day that the report reached Derry it was 145 00:06:20,479 --> 00:06:25,280 you know I'm I'm not religious but I 146 00:06:22,639 --> 00:06:27,759 think I'm a bit spiritual I have to say 147 00:06:25,280 --> 00:06:30,400 you know the spirits of Derry just rose 148 00:06:27,759 --> 00:06:31,919 up off the streets and I've never been 149 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:34,440 anywhere like well I have since in 150 00:06:31,919 --> 00:06:35,960 hillsbor for Liverpool but that was 151 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:39,400 something I'd not experienced before was 152 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:41,319 a a people felt at last that the burden 153 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:43,880 that They Carried had been lifted do the 154 00:06:41,319 --> 00:06:47,080 families accept the apology coming from 155 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:49,240 Prime Minister David Cameron yes I I I 156 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:52,759 you know I I'm not a Tory far from it 157 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:54,800 but you know credit where it's due I 158 00:06:52,759 --> 00:06:56,639 watched his speech we weren't allowed to 159 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,800 you know go into public before he spoke 160 00:06:56,639 --> 00:07:00,280 in the House of Commons and his speech 161 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:03,240 in the House of Commons 162 00:07:00,280 --> 00:07:05,280 was brilliant it was on the fukan case 163 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:07,080 also actually I think he was sincerely 164 00:07:05,280 --> 00:07:08,639 apologetic I think he he he may have 165 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,000 been pushed into a situation whereby he 166 00:07:08,639 --> 00:07:11,759 had didn't have a lot of options but 167 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,879 nevertheless you can have mey mouthed 168 00:07:11,759 --> 00:07:16,720 people who don't rise to it he rose to 169 00:07:13,879 --> 00:07:20,199 it I have to say he did the same for 170 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:23,080 Hillsboro he rose to it and gave you 171 00:07:20,199 --> 00:07:26,520 know an unvarnished untarnished apology 172 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:27,879 that's what they wanted and the fake I 173 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:30,639 call it fake you're an officer of the 174 00:07:27,879 --> 00:07:33,520 Court probably can't the the wiery 175 00:07:30,639 --> 00:07:35,520 inquiry was one of the most shameful 176 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:38,000 whitewashes the original inquiry into 177 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:41,000 Bloody Sunday it's hard now looking back 178 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:43,960 on it to avoid having your breath taken 179 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:47,520 away by the brazenness of that 180 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:49,599 whitewash well I I I suppose I'm a bit 181 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,960 sanguin uh yes it was a white wash 182 00:07:49,599 --> 00:07:54,000 there's no question about that an 183 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:56,080 orchestrated whitewash but I started 184 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,440 practicing at about that time so that's 185 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,720 the beginning of my career not quite the 186 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:01,599 beginning but near the beginning and one 187 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:04,000 has to recognize that there was a sort 188 00:08:01,599 --> 00:08:05,639 of attitude of mind at that time there 189 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:08,440 was a an 190 00:08:05,639 --> 00:08:10,599 Institutional denial that the 191 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:13,720 institution themselves gets anything 192 00:08:10,599 --> 00:08:16,000 wrong and an Institutional almost 193 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:18,759 automatic knee-jerk reaction to support 194 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:20,639 the Agents of the state and that goes 195 00:08:18,759 --> 00:08:23,199 right the way through to the law chief 196 00:08:20,639 --> 00:08:24,879 justice being actually visited by the 197 00:08:23,199 --> 00:08:26,639 law Chancellor and having private 198 00:08:24,879 --> 00:08:29,240 meetings about how he's going to 199 00:08:26,639 --> 00:08:32,000 organize the the inquiry so I mean it's 200 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:33,360 just it's a shocking episode and I I I 201 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:36,320 don't want to shut the door on that 202 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:39,440 because I want to say be careful because 203 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:41,959 these things can occur again when people 204 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:44,760 in power are desperate to hold on to 205 00:08:41,959 --> 00:08:46,640 power all and and we have at the moment 206 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:49,360 I think in the world I mean we have Mr 207 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:52,279 Snowden effectively locked up for 208 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:54,080 telling the truth and he's regarded as a 209 00:08:52,279 --> 00:08:55,399 spy because he's blown the whistle on 210 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,720 the people who are really spying on all 211 00:08:55,399 --> 00:09:00,920 of us so it seems to me we have to be 212 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:03,000 super alert for this ability of major 213 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,600 institutions to say it's all right don't 214 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:08,480 worry we're looking after you no thank 215 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:10,839 you only people of your age and mine uh 216 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:13,120 and older were there at the time can 217 00:09:10,839 --> 00:09:16,240 remember the shots can remember that 218 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:19,480 grainy footage on our black and white 219 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:22,360 TVs uh and we have many many viewers 220 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:26,600 overseas summarize if you would uh 221 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:28,800 Michael the findings of the cvil inquiry 222 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:31,760 what actually happened on that day 223 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:35,079 official no well the official finding is 224 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:37,120 really quite a short one and it's it's U 225 00:09:35,079 --> 00:09:40,079 for that reason it's cogent I mean what 226 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:44,360 what they're really saying at the ground 227 00:09:40,079 --> 00:09:48,040 and on the ground is that there was a 228 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:50,480 March nobody disputes that and it was 229 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:52,279 effectively meant to be a peace March 230 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:54,640 ending up with bernardet develin and 231 00:09:52,279 --> 00:09:57,959 other well-known figures addressing the 232 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:59,880 March about civil rights which civil 233 00:09:57,959 --> 00:10:01,839 rights in in the North 234 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:03,600 I can spend obviously another hour on 235 00:10:01,839 --> 00:10:06,079 that that the way they were breached 236 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:08,560 particularly for the Catholic 237 00:10:06,079 --> 00:10:10,760 communities and a part of Derry known as 238 00:10:08,560 --> 00:10:13,600 the bog side was closely identified with 239 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:16,720 that so in other words whether it's 240 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:20,680 voting housing employment all the normal 241 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:23,760 things were denied in some measure to 242 00:10:20,680 --> 00:10:26,360 the Catholic population in a Protestant 243 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:27,920 dominated uh north of Ireland that's 244 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,640 what it that what what it was really 245 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,959 about so they were marching because it 246 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:33,200 said we've had enough of this we we need 247 00:10:31,959 --> 00:10:36,800 to be 248 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:39,200 recognized so the march of course the 249 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,560 government didn't want and as is 250 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,240 happening in Egypt at the moment and 251 00:10:40,560 --> 00:10:43,760 elsewhere in the world they're banning 252 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:46,160 anything they don't want so the M the 253 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:48,600 March was banned politically but they 254 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:51,279 carried on and so the troops were 255 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:54,480 brought in now the troops of course have 256 00:10:51,279 --> 00:10:57,200 no love of um some of them anyway 257 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:59,880 certainly had no love and they had 258 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:02,279 undoubtedly formed and Wilford was the 259 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:04,839 commanding officer at the time and he's 260 00:11:02,279 --> 00:11:07,680 quite proud of it he had formed views 261 00:11:04,839 --> 00:11:09,920 about people who he regarded as 262 00:11:07,680 --> 00:11:11,600 insurgents and how do you deal with 263 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:13,600 insurgents well of course the British 264 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:15,560 have had a lot of experience of dealing 265 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:18,120 with insurgents whether it's you know in 266 00:11:15,560 --> 00:11:21,040 the Middle East or Malaya uh and so on 267 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:22,839 so they practiced how they deal with it 268 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:26,639 and they brought the if you like the 269 00:11:22,839 --> 00:11:28,760 tactics of the military onto the streets 270 00:11:26,639 --> 00:11:31,079 of Derry onto uh the you know streets of 271 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:33,200 the United kingd as it as it then stood 272 00:11:31,079 --> 00:11:36,079 obviously and the tactics were 273 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:37,720 essentially you go in hard and you shoot 274 00:11:36,079 --> 00:11:39,800 first and you ask questions afterwards 275 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:42,279 and if you happen to have shot the wrong 276 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:44,079 people then you have to say ah but they 277 00:11:42,279 --> 00:11:46,120 they shot us first they're the 278 00:11:44,079 --> 00:11:48,320 terrorists and we just you know and the 279 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:50,120 problem that came out of this judgment 280 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,240 effectively and it's never been resolved 281 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:54,480 of 282 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:57,519 course one is that you know the the 283 00:11:54,480 --> 00:12:00,120 decision was that these were effectively 284 00:11:57,519 --> 00:12:02,600 unlawful killings because the people who 285 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:04,839 were killed were not armed 286 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,880 terrorists so if they're not the armed 287 00:12:04,839 --> 00:12:09,360 terrorists you have to say to the Army 288 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:11,079 well where were the people you were 289 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:13,440 shooting at who you said were shooting 290 00:12:11,079 --> 00:12:15,760 at you of course they don't exist do 291 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:17,279 they the final judgment is effectively 292 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:20,120 unlawful killing on the streets of the 293 00:12:17,279 --> 00:12:22,600 United Kingdom by agents of the state 294 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:25,760 and that's why a number of families very 295 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:28,639 recently have been saying and certainly 296 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:30,800 it it is being considered as I speak 297 00:12:28,639 --> 00:12:32,519 that whe there should be prosecutions 298 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:34,199 relating to those people who pull the 299 00:12:32,519 --> 00:12:36,320 trigger but can I just develop it 300 00:12:34,199 --> 00:12:39,079 because I I'm more I'm concerned about 301 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:41,240 those who pull triggers but actually how 302 00:12:39,079 --> 00:12:45,000 do they get to that position I'm much 303 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:47,199 more interested in the layers above and 304 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:49,079 and um the savil inquiry didn't really 305 00:12:47,199 --> 00:12:52,040 take it right up to the top because 306 00:12:49,079 --> 00:12:54,320 actually in my view there is an element 307 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:57,000 of responsibility that can be traced 308 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,480 right through to the top to the cabinet 309 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:00,680 room to the cabinet room Michael 310 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:03,480 Mansfield QC if I was ever in trouble 311 00:13:00,680 --> 00:13:05,959 and I hope I never will be I wish I'd 312 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:07,839 had you in my corner after the break 313 00:13:05,959 --> 00:13:10,199 we'll be looking at Europe's Most 314 00:13:07,839 --> 00:13:11,680 Explosive Flash point where Western 315 00:13:10,199 --> 00:13:14,279 governments are doing everything they 316 00:13:11,680 --> 00:13:17,720 can literally to findan the Flames the 317 00:13:14,279 --> 00:13:17,720 Ukraine I'll be right 318 00:13:19,300 --> 00:13:25,929 [Music] 319 00:13:26,399 --> 00:13:30,800 back what is our story who's writing it 320 00:13:28,959 --> 00:13:33,480 and where is it leading to seeking true 321 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:35,320 bearings we seem to turn to the news but 322 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:37,120 take heed for the medium is the message 323 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,720 and this most viral meme on the planet 324 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,600 is now the method for defining 325 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:45,760 Collective reality each night if it's 326 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:45,760 not on the news it didn't happen right 327 00:13:46,030 --> 00:14:02,720 [Music] 328 00:13:59,560 --> 00:14:06,399 on June 16th 1941 we had a graduation 329 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:06,399 party at school and the war broke 330 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:14,880 out the shops were always full of 331 00:14:15,639 --> 00:14:23,600 goods in September Leningrad was 332 00:14:20,519 --> 00:14:25,480 blocked one day mom went and saw that 333 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:28,399 all the shelves were 334 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:29,680 empty in November they bombed the BVI 335 00:14:28,399 --> 00:14:31,560 warehouses 336 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,600 it was the main storage place for all 337 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:35,360 the food in the city people were eating 338 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:38,040 the Earth because it had small traces of 339 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:39,800 sugar in it I tried to eat it as well 340 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:42,959 but I 341 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:44,480 couldn't that night there was incredibly 342 00:14:42,959 --> 00:14:46,920 heavy 343 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:50,440 boming there was a direct hit on that 344 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:55,600 very shelter and everyone was buried 345 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:55,600 underneath all of them were dead 346 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:11,360 [Music] 347 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:13,959 do we speak your 348 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:16,639 language want news programs and 349 00:15:13,959 --> 00:15:19,839 documentaries in Arabic it's all here on 350 00:15:16,639 --> 00:15:23,600 RT reporting from the world's hotpots 351 00:15:19,839 --> 00:15:25,800 VIP interviews intriguing stories are 352 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:30,040 you 353 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:33,440 here then try RTI Arabic find out more 354 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,440 visit arabic.rt.com 355 00:15:33,700 --> 00:15:37,309 [Music] 356 00:15:42,399 --> 00:15:48,040 welcome back to Sputnik President Putin 357 00:15:45,639 --> 00:15:50,480 this week warned the European Union to 358 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:53,160 keep their noses out of Ukraine where 359 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:55,160 fascists far-right nationalists and 360 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:57,120 others are mounting a violent and 361 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:59,319 increasingly armed assault on the 362 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:01,920 elected president and his government 363 00:15:59,319 --> 00:16:05,440 policemen have been killed others set on 364 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:07,720 fire all on prime time TV if the same 365 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:09,880 sort of Uprising happened in London the 366 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:13,560 mayor Boris Johnson this week said the 367 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:15,399 police should go medieval on the rioters 368 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:17,440 and in terms of the media coverage of 369 00:16:15,399 --> 00:16:19,560 the protest in Ukraine the Western 370 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:21,600 networks who would be cheering for their 371 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:23,279 own police forces to go medieval on 372 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,920 protesters if these things were 373 00:16:23,279 --> 00:16:26,680 happening in their own countries are 374 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:29,480 instead cheering on the molotov cocktail 375 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:32,199 shakers abroad in his state of the Union 376 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:34,759 speech President Obama expressed that in 377 00:16:32,199 --> 00:16:36,639 Ukraine we stand for the principle that 378 00:16:34,759 --> 00:16:39,040 all people have the right to express 379 00:16:36,639 --> 00:16:41,680 themselves freely and peacefully and 380 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:44,120 have a say in their country's future 381 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:46,399 with the emphasis on Peaceful us 382 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:48,440 right-wing Republican cold warrior John 383 00:16:46,399 --> 00:16:51,199 McCain however is marching on the 384 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:54,279 streets of Kev and the EU has sent its 385 00:16:51,199 --> 00:16:57,199 rather less Savage the baress Ashton as 386 00:16:54,279 --> 00:16:59,480 a mediator to a non-eu country where the 387 00:16:57,199 --> 00:17:01,519 elected government hasn't even invited 388 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:03,720 her joining us now to discuss what's 389 00:17:01,519 --> 00:17:06,280 happening in Ukraine is regional expert 390 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:09,120 author and broadcaster Neil Clark Neil 391 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:11,799 thanks for joining us on the Sputnik 392 00:17:09,120 --> 00:17:15,400 welcome we've seen policemen being 393 00:17:11,799 --> 00:17:18,000 stabbed on TV we've seen policemen on TV 394 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:21,199 being set on fire if this was happening 395 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:23,199 in Occupy Wall Street or happening in 396 00:17:21,199 --> 00:17:25,799 Tottenham the police would shoot the 397 00:17:23,199 --> 00:17:27,959 perpetrators dead yeah yet the British 398 00:17:25,799 --> 00:17:30,280 political and media class are on the 399 00:17:27,959 --> 00:17:31,679 side of the riers explain well 400 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,320 absolutely I think the double standards 401 00:17:31,679 --> 00:17:35,760 are absolutely glaring in this George 402 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:38,640 because uh just imagine if in London we 403 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:39,840 had far right Neo-Nazi racist Ultra 404 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,320 nationalist groups protesting in the 405 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:44,520 Streets of London rioting in the Streets 406 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:46,440 of London led by say the BMP and the edl 407 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,880 let's just imagine that was happening 408 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,440 and that these these riers were 409 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,600 attacking the police were throwing molet 410 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:53,200 of cocktails at them and were trying to 411 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,559 occupy government buildings in a blatant 412 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,440 attempt to bring down the elected 413 00:17:54,559 --> 00:17:57,799 government can you imagine what the 414 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,600 British establishment what the British 415 00:17:57,799 --> 00:18:01,080 Elite journalists would be saying saying 416 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,440 as you said they would be these people 417 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,280 would be rounded up they'd be put to 418 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:06,559 prison they'd be and the whole movement 419 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:09,559 would be closed down yet the very same 420 00:18:06,559 --> 00:18:10,799 British Elite is cheering on these 421 00:18:09,559 --> 00:18:12,960 people that are doing this in the 422 00:18:10,799 --> 00:18:15,080 Ukraine and it's not sort of borderline 423 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:16,679 these people are neo-nazis these people 424 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:19,480 are fascists well let's look at the 425 00:18:16,679 --> 00:18:21,720 ontology of it uh because uh our friend 426 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:25,440 Sheamus milin the guardian this week has 427 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:28,880 analyzed it in detail not only is the 428 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:31,640 core of this body of rioter openly 429 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:34,440 fascist the swaba yeah it actually has 430 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:36,760 been outflanked on its right exactly by 431 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:40,080 even more extreme fascists who say that 432 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:43,039 Ukraine is run by Jews yes uh and SDA of 433 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:46,799 course have torch light processions yes 434 00:18:43,039 --> 00:18:49,760 uh in Lov which they actually control in 435 00:18:46,799 --> 00:18:52,960 uh in Western Ukraine uh torch light 436 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:55,440 processions in remembrance of the 437 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:57,960 fascist collaborator with the Nazi 438 00:18:55,440 --> 00:19:01,960 occupation of Ukraine exactly Sten 439 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:03,120 Bandera describe the makeup of this mle 440 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,400 well we' got to look back at history and 441 00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:07,280 look back at the history of the Ukraine 442 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:10,080 during the 1940s and when the uh Soviet 443 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:12,200 Union uh uh was was attacked by Nazi 444 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,640 Germany you had large sections of of 445 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:16,120 Western Ukraine actually supporting the 446 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:18,280 Nazis and the Ukrainian Independence 447 00:19:16,120 --> 00:19:19,440 Movement helped the Nazis in this and 448 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:22,080 the man who was in charge of this 449 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:24,080 movement was a man called stepan Bandera 450 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:26,240 and it's his posters his pictures of him 451 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:28,440 that are being portrayed and being being 452 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:30,919 held by the so-called Democratic Pro 453 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:33,280 democr protesters in Kiev it's just like 454 00:19:30,919 --> 00:19:34,600 as I said having far right neo-nazis 455 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:37,000 marching through London holding pictures 456 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,440 of swal Mosley and what the outrage 457 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,960 would be from the British establishment 458 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:44,000 about that of course some of the British 459 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:46,520 media did support Oswald Mosley at the 460 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:49,679 time absolutely good point but uh I want 461 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:55,200 to pause you on this uh question of uh 462 00:19:49,679 --> 00:19:58,799 the hatred of Jews anti-Semitism y uh 463 00:19:55,200 --> 00:20:01,720 there are people on the so-called left 464 00:19:58,799 --> 00:20:05,400 as well as in the so-called mainstream 465 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:07,679 who are forever hunting a stray remark 466 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:10,159 that can possibly be interpreted as 467 00:20:07,679 --> 00:20:13,120 anti-semitic on the part of Palestinians 468 00:20:10,159 --> 00:20:16,200 or Arabs or Muslims or those who support 469 00:20:13,120 --> 00:20:19,039 them yeah here we have prominent us 470 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:21,880 politicians and prominent EU politicians 471 00:20:19,039 --> 00:20:25,080 sharing platforms with openly 472 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:27,799 anti-semitic fascist organizations how 473 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:29,720 come the media is not highlighting this 474 00:20:27,799 --> 00:20:31,600 what it shows to me that this uh the 475 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:35,120 so-call fake Le I like to call them and 476 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:37,720 the British uh Elites their kind of war 477 00:20:35,120 --> 00:20:40,000 against anti-Semitism is a sham same as 478 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:42,480 the so-called Crusade against homophobia 479 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,720 is a sham it's used highly selectively 480 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:46,679 because as we know there are people who 481 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:48,240 spend 24/7 on Twitter monitoring uh 482 00:20:46,679 --> 00:20:49,919 genuine socialists for so-called 483 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,799 anti-semitic comments anything the 484 00:20:49,919 --> 00:20:54,400 Palestinian movement etc for any comment 485 00:20:51,799 --> 00:20:56,080 that could be constru or misconstrued as 486 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:58,600 anti-semitic and yet you've got John 487 00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:00,559 McCain who's a pinup boy of the fake 488 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:03,120 proar left the neoconservative American 489 00:21:00,559 --> 00:21:06,080 Senator going out there having breakfast 490 00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:09,000 with Mr tanok who is a man who has a 491 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:11,840 history of anti-jewish anti-Semitic uh 492 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:15,200 rhetoric he said in 2004 that Ukraine 493 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:17,000 was run by a a moscovite Jewish Mafia 494 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:19,679 this is a man who is a homophobe he's 495 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:21,039 outspokenly opposed to homosexuals and 496 00:21:19,679 --> 00:21:23,440 yet you've got McCain who's the great 497 00:21:21,039 --> 00:21:24,720 hero of the Cru missile left in Britain 498 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,120 having breakfast with him and standing 499 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,720 on a platform with him is this the 500 00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:31,200 beginning of the end for the ukrainians 501 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:33,919 state are we looking at potential 502 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:36,559 partition uh because the East and the 503 00:21:33,919 --> 00:21:39,240 south of the country is wholly against 504 00:21:36,559 --> 00:21:42,360 the events uh in Kiev indeed some parts 505 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:46,159 of Kiev are against it but there seems 506 00:21:42,360 --> 00:21:48,320 to be a dichotomy between West and East 507 00:21:46,159 --> 00:21:49,760 with the South being with the East well 508 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,840 I think we've got to look at the bigger 509 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,440 geostrategic political uh picture of 510 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,120 this and the battle for Ukraine is 511 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,600 really a battle being launched by 512 00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:58,720 Western Elites the Western Elites want 513 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,360 Ukraine they want to lock it into what 514 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,279 call Euro Atlantic structures which 515 00:22:00,360 --> 00:22:04,440 means getting the Ukraine into the EU 516 00:22:02,279 --> 00:22:06,240 and into NATO and to prize it away from 517 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:08,279 Russia because for these Western Elites 518 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:10,559 2013 was a very bad year it was a year 519 00:22:08,279 --> 00:22:13,000 reverses they they hellbent on regime 520 00:22:10,559 --> 00:22:15,240 change at any cost in in in Syria it 521 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,799 hasn't happened yeah and so it's sort of 522 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,080 payback time now for Russia they want to 523 00:22:16,799 --> 00:22:19,840 get Ukraine away from Russia and they 524 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:22,480 don't care how much Bloodshed whether 525 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,799 they plunge the country into Civil War 526 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,520 and as they've shown with Syria they 527 00:22:23,799 --> 00:22:27,559 will go to any extent they will back any 528 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:29,480 people however extreme in order to 529 00:22:27,559 --> 00:22:32,880 achieve this Aim so this is all about 530 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:34,919 the West trying to uh lock Ukraine into 531 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:39,000 their empire really me we've seen from 532 00:22:34,919 --> 00:22:40,440 Yugoslavia in 1999 Iraq in 2003 in Syria 533 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,919 and now in Ukraine that when the Western 534 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:45,400 Elites want regime change they will go 535 00:22:41,919 --> 00:22:48,600 to any length to get it Al anybody they 536 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:50,919 were Al with alqaeda they were Al with 537 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:53,279 with alqaeda in Syria and we're with the 538 00:22:50,919 --> 00:22:55,960 anti-semitic fascists Ukraine Ukraine 539 00:22:53,279 --> 00:22:58,600 exactly it's about the enemy of my enemy 540 00:22:55,960 --> 00:23:00,520 is my friend and Russia is their enemy 541 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,000 uh the people who are rioting in Kev and 542 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,559 in other cities do not represent the 543 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:06,840 majority opinion in the Ukraine uh there 544 00:23:04,559 --> 00:23:08,720 are elections due next February February 545 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,200 2015 is the next presidential elections 546 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,799 now if you were a democrat in Ukraine 547 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:14,320 you'd say well let's wait for these and 548 00:23:12,799 --> 00:23:16,679 so why aren't the opposition waiting for 549 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:18,080 the elections if they're so confident 550 00:23:16,679 --> 00:23:19,760 that they've got majority support why 551 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,919 not simply wait a year and take power 552 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,440 legally why are they trying to force out 553 00:23:21,919 --> 00:23:25,159 yanukovich and I think that gives the 554 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,880 game away they don't have the support 555 00:23:25,159 --> 00:23:28,600 that we're led to believe the stakes are 556 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,880 very high here George because if Ukraine 557 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,520 does get linked into the West if Ukraine 558 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,919 does become a member of NATO and become 559 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,760 a member of the EU the there you know 560 00:23:33,919 --> 00:23:36,559 there's going to be a lot of money in 561 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:40,039 this for the Western Elites will Russia 562 00:23:36,559 --> 00:23:42,880 actually be forced to become proactively 563 00:23:40,039 --> 00:23:45,600 involved in Ukraine there is as you know 564 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:49,120 a very sizable minority of Russians 565 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:53,919 speaking people Russia is vitally 566 00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:56,240 threatened by the West moving in uh to 567 00:23:53,919 --> 00:23:57,480 the Ukraine conflict how dangerous can 568 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,360 this get I think it's very dangerous 569 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,679 because I think if I was Russian an 570 00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:02,200 ethnic Russian living in Ukraine i' be 571 00:24:00,679 --> 00:24:04,320 extremely worried now what would happen 572 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,799 if these fascists do come to power or 573 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,159 allowed to share power because we know 574 00:24:05,799 --> 00:24:09,760 quite clearly that the West will allow 575 00:24:07,159 --> 00:24:12,360 them to come to power broadcaster writer 576 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,720 and analyst Neil Clark telling it like 577 00:24:12,360 --> 00:24:15,520 it 578 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:18,200 [Music] 579 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:21,200 is now it's your turn to tell us what 580 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:23,640 you think in the social media review gri 581 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:26,640 what's rattling the pipes on Ukraine a 582 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:30,200 lots from Germany we got bopus kangaroo 583 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:32,840 saying because German and now song from 584 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:35,600 theu is able to do it and wants to 585 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:39,080 create a counterbalance to Putin the 586 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:41,600 Germans are extremely busy in Ukraine uh 587 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:44,799 Klitschko the heavyweight boxer that you 588 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:48,720 were just talking about he is Germany's 589 00:24:44,799 --> 00:24:51,840 man in this picture and it's a great 590 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:54,360 irony uh that the Germans of course in 591 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:57,399 their Nazi period invaded and occupied 592 00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:59,720 Ukraine massacred massive numbers of 593 00:24:57,399 --> 00:25:02,520 people not just just Jews though every 594 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:04,960 Jew they could get their hands on uh but 595 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:07,880 massacred uh hundreds of thousands of 596 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:10,200 people in Ukraine and now they're back 597 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:13,440 on the streets of Kiev acting through 598 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:15,919 the foundations the so-called NOS the 599 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:18,039 Trojan horses that we always see in 600 00:25:15,919 --> 00:25:20,880 these color code revolutions yeah 601 00:25:18,039 --> 00:25:24,279 supporting these neo-nazis and 602 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:26,159 anti-semites to which Lana Del responses 603 00:25:24,279 --> 00:25:28,960 well they would support flesh eating 604 00:25:26,159 --> 00:25:32,159 zombies if it was in their Je political 605 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:35,399 and economic interests so no morals Joe 606 00:25:32,159 --> 00:25:37,840 M sends us a very powerful picture 607 00:25:35,399 --> 00:25:40,960 showing mckain sharing a meal with the 608 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:42,840 Ukraine Neo-Nazi party spoda there he is 609 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,600 sitting with them on at table this is 610 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,399 really important because McCain is one 611 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:50,520 of the world's greatest supporters of 612 00:25:46,399 --> 00:25:52,720 Israel he's in with all the Zionist 613 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:56,320 organizations in the United States they 614 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:59,080 all supported his presidential run and 615 00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:02,799 there he is in that picture having a 616 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:07,640 meal with the leader of a party which is 617 00:26:02,799 --> 00:26:09,200 openly Nazi which is openly anti-semitic 618 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:12,000 do the Jewish organizations in the 619 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:15,799 United States not know this or are they 620 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:18,000 just keeping quiet about it about um 621 00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:20,720 Bloody Sunday well we discussed about 622 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:23,640 how on the eve of it they started uh 623 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:25,720 raising the flags and the flags of the 624 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:28,559 parachute regiment that did The Killing 625 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:30,880 yes yeah uh a Garrett sent us a picture 626 00:26:28,559 --> 00:26:34,159 of it how flags are being erected in 627 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:37,360 Irish streets today member of shen F 628 00:26:34,159 --> 00:26:39,320 Michael mccrossen sent us a few others 629 00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:43,080 from the Bloody Sunday anniversity 630 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:45,720 itself saying I just spoke on Drive 105 631 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:48,159 reiterating my call for unionist leaders 632 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:50,440 to use their influence to ensure British 633 00:26:48,159 --> 00:26:52,559 par flags are removed in Dairy actually 634 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:55,240 the British army should require the 635 00:26:52,559 --> 00:26:57,960 bringing down of these flags this is a 636 00:26:55,240 --> 00:27:02,240 provocation designed to shed still more 637 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:05,679 blood blood what right do loyalist thugs 638 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:08,559 have to erect the flag of the parachute 639 00:27:05,679 --> 00:27:11,279 Regiment of the British army this 640 00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:13,000 Insignia belongs to the British Army and 641 00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:14,600 the British army is controlled by the 642 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,080 British government and they should make 643 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,679 sure that the police take down these 644 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,760 flags right away because on the eve of 645 00:27:18,679 --> 00:27:24,480 an anniversary in which the parachutists 646 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:26,559 killed 14 unarmed demonstrators that's a 647 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,480 provocation asking for real trouble and 648 00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:30,240 everybody knows it it's nobody in the 649 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:33,120 right mind would dare to go up their 650 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:36,360 lamp post except bunch of would climb a 651 00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:38,840 lamp post to put up an Army flag of a 652 00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:42,120 regiment that killed 14 of your fellow 653 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:44,519 citizens in your city uh all these 654 00:27:42,120 --> 00:27:46,120 decades ago fortunately the local 655 00:27:44,519 --> 00:27:48,760 residents did not rise to the 656 00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:51,399 provocation indeed well that's it for 657 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:53,399 this week which sadly means that's all 658 00:27:51,399 --> 00:27:56,600 we've got time for you know where to 659 00:27:53,399 --> 00:27:58,200 reach us on Twitter it's at rtor Sputnik 660 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,399 and on Facebook you can find us at 661 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:03,399 Sputnik on Russia today it's goodbye 662 00:28:00,399 --> 00:28:06,760 from me gri and from me George Gallow 663 00:28:03,399 --> 00:28:06,760 it's been marvelous 664 00:28:16,910 --> 00:28:27,299 [Music]