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welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world

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with me George Galloway and me gatri

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well we brexit did and the sky didn't

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fall in the pound is stable indeed

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climbing and the footy 100 is going

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through the roof no one is asking for

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anyone already here to depart calls for

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a second referendum are dissipating

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demands legally impossible in any case

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for Parliament overrule the people have

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been rejected by the government and

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opposition alike sensible people however

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they voted are therefore turning their

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attention to the opportunities which

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will now open up for Britain in The

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Wider world including China One such is

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the teaching fellow of International

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Development at King's College London

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Mark Stanford and I'm glad to say he

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joins us now let's deal with China which

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I know is your special area Mark first

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of all um the possibility now exists

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doesn't it for Britain to conclude uh

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trading arrangements with all the other

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countries in the world most of them uh

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who are not in the European Union indeed

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trade happens whether there are trade

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deals or not we've been trading with

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America for a long time without any

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trade deal at all but is China a

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particular Focus you think for British

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manufacturing and exports well I think

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China has to be a focus uh because um

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well really for two reasons one uh

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they're of course continuing to grow

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faster than uh most of our other uh

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trade partners and even though they're

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experiencing a Slowdown that's likely to

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continue it's a Slowdown that we would

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be love to have ourselves absolutely yes

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um but uh the second reason reason

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really is that they are currently

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transitioning from an economy which is

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relatively uh undeveloped to a richer

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economy which has higher demand

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particularly for services and that's

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what we have been exporting to them uh

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that's what we're particularly good at

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uh still

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and um so there's enormous potential to

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expand our exporter services to China um

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as they grow what kind of services

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English language uh high tech uh

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financial services and so on is that

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what you have in mind well the two areas

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that we are really good at at the moment

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um in particular are uh financial

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services for one thing um of course

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Britain um apart from just being a uh an

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international Clearing House for uh many

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transactions around the world Britain is

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also a center of Financial Innovation uh

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which is something that China lacks um

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so we have that to offer but I think uh

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there's maybe even more potential um in

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the area of research because um Britain

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is in fact uh the single most efficient

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producer of research in the world uh

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pound-for-pound um both scientific and

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non-scientific research um China is uh

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is a country which is um getting a bit

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anxious about its research capacity um

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there's a worry that uh if they don't

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start um uh inventing their own

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technology their own approaches to

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things then they'll stagnate um they'll

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be stuck in What's called the middle-

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income trap well the the fintech uh

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industry here in uh London which I was

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extraordinarily impressive H how have we

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come to be so good at that you would

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have thought that Silicon Valley the

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United States and so on you would have

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thought that they would have uh have

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cleaned up well I suppose it's a it's a

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combination of two factors really uh one

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is the um increasing uh some would say

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over specialization in financial

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services I would I I would as well uh

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over specialization in financial

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services since uh the 1980s um so

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obviously that's brought a great deal of

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uh of talent here uh to work for that

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industry but I think also that industry

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has benefited from Britain's uh really

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quite extraordinary academic uh

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institutions and and research

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institutions generally so the two feed

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into each other in one way uh I'm quite

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uh glad to hear you say that especially

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if there's a big market for it in places

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like China um the bricks

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generally uh of course some of them are

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up some of them are down but the long

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term you would have imagined that the

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bricks economies would be where the sun

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was Rising we must have uh a potentially

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good future with them yes and no so um

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whether or not we talk about the bricks

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as a whole of course the center of

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gravity of the world is Shifting toward

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Asia um uh it's inevitable now really

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that that this will happen um there is a

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big question mark uh however about not

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just Britain's role in that new world

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but the whole of of Europe actually um

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what do we really have to sell uh in

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this new world um that's going to set us

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apart and um the optimistic prediction

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is that we'll continue being good at at

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what we do maybe we'll do diversify our

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economy and uh and learn you know new

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things to offer the the gloomy view is

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that um China India uh other powers can

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learn to do good science they can learn

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to do all of these things and um and

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they won't need us anymore and there is

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there is a uh a narrative among some um

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Chinese nationalists that says uh with

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um some degree of smugness that um

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Europe is now sinking into um

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irrelevance and will become the world's

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number one destination for um museums

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and Castle tourism and nothing else I

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think that there's uh something in that

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but now that we're leaving the European

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Union we don't have to go down with them

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I mean you talk about the bricks what

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about the Commonwealth to which Britain

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has actually already a historical

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special relation in that case do you

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what what Prospect if not political

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Financial Prospect do you see with them

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yeah well I think that's uh that's one

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of the potentially very exciting things

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about uh about uh the possibility of

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uh negotiating our own trade agreements

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because of course uh there's a lot more

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growth going on in um particularly

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developing commonwealth countries um

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when we look at the at the the century

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ahead we're talking about um clear

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growth both in in across Asia and indeed

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in in Africa there's enormous potential

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because of obviously uh the resources

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that are present so um it would be an

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enormous mistake to miss out on those

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relationships yeah now despite all that

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you're not really wholeheartedly a

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brexiteer um you

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favor uh a new Norway style uh

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relationship tell us how that would look

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well the um the Norway model um as

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people have called it uh really just

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means that we uh we honor the result of

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the referendum completely we leave the

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European Union but we remain in the

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single Market what that means is that we

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uh regain the vast bulk of the

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sovereignty that was pulled we do away

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with the vast majority of European

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regulations

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uh and we withdraw from uh a whole array

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of Institutions and policies which were

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designed for a project of political

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integration but at the same time we

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retain the benefits of the single Market

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um so in a way I'd say it's the best of

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both well there are two crucial caveats

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to the on there one we would have to

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keep paying in uh as Norway does and

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other countries which alar does uh and

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have to continue to allert free movement

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of Labor and it's probably free movement

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of Labor that tipped the balance for the

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exit vote well I think um on the issue

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of um payments first of all I think this

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issue of of all the the very legitimate

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concerns people had during the debate I

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think this was a bit of a red herring to

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be honest because the the amount it was

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ey catching you have to it was ey

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catching it was ey catching 10 billion

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pounds net sounds like a very big figure

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uh of course the British government

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spends something like 770 billion a year

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so this is really you know around 1% a

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bit more of government spending uh the

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amount um of GDP gain that comes from

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being in the single Market is much more

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than 10 billion pounds a year so we're

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paying a small fee and we're getting a

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big return for that fee um it's it's

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really a bit of a non-issue I think um

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you're right the free movement of Labor

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is the big enchilada yeah so on free

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movement of Labor um there are

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possibilities uh and I think these are

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going to have to be explored as much as

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possible in the next couple of years

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years of trying to negotiate uh a

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different kind of settlements now there

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are two ways that this could happen um

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One Way um is uh what you might call the

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lonstein solution so lonstein is also my

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goodness this will be the schwick

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next so so lonstein is also anyone know

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the answer to the hin question beond my

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area of expertise um Lenin is also in

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this grouping along with Norway and

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Iceland that we would be joining um

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outside of the EU in the single market

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and they have negotiated a special deal

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where they're allowed to um even within

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the single Market rules put a quot on

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the number of workers they receive every

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year um and it's quite a small quota it

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was originally intended to be temporary

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but they've renewed it over and over

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again and it's effectively permanent um

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this was Justified on the basis of the

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special conditions of lonstein and their

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desire to preserve their cultural

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integrity and so on um now it's a big

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culture L and you've got to you've got

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to admit um so uh Iceland also falls in

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there no but but don't all these

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countries have one thing in common

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they're extremely small to allow Britain

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an exemption a country of 65 million

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which had just

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exited uh would be pregnant with

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enormous political implications in the

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rest of the EU yes there's going to be

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enormous opposition to uh to any kind of

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deal like this so um I don't think we

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should count on it but it's something

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that should be attempted should be

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explored um the other possibility which

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uh some people have suggested and I

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think is perhaps a bit more realistic is

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to try to negotiate a reframing of the

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idea of free movement at on a wider

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scale it doesn't necessarily have to be

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uh for the whole of the EU it could just

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be for the countries in this smaller

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grouping for example um the EA agreement

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which um governs these countries by the

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way doesn't provide for free movement of

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uh unemployed people students it

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actually only allows free movement for

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workers who already have a job offer now

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that's been um Extended since uh through

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the free movement directive but um I

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think there's a a real U possibility for

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a negotiation arguing toward the

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original principle at least for these

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this group of of countries it is quite

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surprising to me that the EU holds quite

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so tightly to this free movement shth it

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wasn't of course in the original uh

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model of uh a common market or even when

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it became the The Wider

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eec uh and in any case that wasn't a

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difficulty because in the early days uh

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the community was composed of countries

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of roughly similar economies it was the

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expansion of the EU and the political

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integration that begat the free movement

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uh uh shth uh I'm still a bit surprised

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that they hold so firmly to it

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well um I think uh you know of course

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there are many different currents of

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thought within uh European politics you

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know uh European political institutions

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and uh you do have dieh hard Federalists

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who uh believe in the idea of creating a

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European citizenship uh such that

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eventually um in theory uh the flows of

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of people um should equalize all these

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countries um and there are of course

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neoliberals as well who uh who just

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believe in in opening uh yes markets yes

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um the only people who believe actually

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in in free movement of Labor are

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liberals trotskyites and a

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Rand unfortunately Mark we got to finish

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there Mark Stanford you've helped us a

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lot thank you very much for coming on

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the Sputnik coming up next is the former

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mayor of London and a leading labor

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figure for almost 40 years it's Ken

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Livingston don't miss it

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welcome back to Sputnik Jeremy Corbin

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has been through hell in the last week

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they tried to quote break him as a man

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unquote I know what that feels like and

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so does our next guest he is a man who

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needs no introduction because he is Ken

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Livingston Ken Let's uh start uh with

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what Jeremy has been through we both

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know that no one could be kinder gentler

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more inclusive a person

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uh than Jeremy Corbin uh from a personal

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perspective it's been breaking my heart

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all week how did you feel oh it's just

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appalling because Jeremy became leader

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he reached out to all his critics the

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people that didn't vote for him brought

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them into a very broad based um Shadow

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cabinet he allowed them a free vote on

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Syria I he's not been you know imposing

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a bit of he kept he kept Hillary Ben as

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the shadow against that and now they've

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been stirring up so we had all the

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allegations of anti-Semitism which they

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thought would damage the local election

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results and that would trigger a

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leadership challenge but it didn't I we

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did quite well and then that's this

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nonsense of blaming Germany because we'

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voted to leave the European Union I mean

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and it's a smear campaign and it's been

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depressing to watch so many of these MPS

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actually go off and in a half and start

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demanding he goes but don't forget one

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thing for the four elections under Blair

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and brown local labor parties weren't

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allowed to select the candidate they

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wanted they had to choose an approve

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list that been Ved to keep people like

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you and me out you know so gradually the

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number of genuine labor socialists in

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the Parliamentary party has whittled

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away as we've retired or died and it was

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almost impossible for any new ones to

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come in so German inherited a

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parliamentary labor party so stew to the

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right so far to the right to the one we

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were in yeah I mean so different when we

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entered there was at least a hundred

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people workingclass trade unionist

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socialist MPS at least 100 I mean

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literally the combination of the Tribune

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group and the campaign group the two

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main eering groups was about half the

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Parliamentary party but now I mean no

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one I mean gets in un I mean they all

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come through you know college get their

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degree they're an advisor to an MP

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they've not worked in the Trade union

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movement they've not served in local

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government

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I it's just so unre they're out of touch

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so many of them I mean I think don't

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really have a good contact with

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workingclass people anymore they think

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swar figa is a is a Greek island uh all

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the it was quite a pantomim all the

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dames were brought out on the last day

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Dame Margaret Hodge Dame Margaret Becket

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Dame har Harmon and then even Dame David

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Cameron joined the interesting when

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Cameron calls on Corbin to go I think

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that's every reason why we should get

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him to state because all those is

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nonsense he lost the referendum we've

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had four byelections and in each of

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those byelections under Jeremy the swing

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to labor has been big enough to put a

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labor government in office when people

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face that choice whether it's this

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Autumn or in four years time between

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four more years of this story government

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and its awful policies or Jeremy is

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talking about a very different Affair of

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Britain I I think jery wins well exactly

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all those are all indicators that he is

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electable and that's why he gets the

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score storm against him I mean the

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trouble is that I think there a lot of

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these inited old blairite MPS can't come

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to terms of the fact the last Labor

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government was a a terrible

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disappointment not just on invading Iraq

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and Afghanistan but failing to create

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good jobs for workingclass people it was

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all about what the bankers wanted all

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the wealth went up to that small Elite

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at the top and Ordinary People are much

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worse off than they now were 35 years

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ago they really struggle and that's how

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it's the same in America it's why

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there's the anger the supporting people

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supporting Bernie Sanders and Donald

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Trump they just see the politics in the

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west has been a small Elite you change

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the government but broadly the same sort

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of people carry on the same sort of

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policies absolutely now turning to the

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uh report on

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anti-Semitism uh in which you are quite

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unfairly uh dragged in it has now

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reported you've been Vindicated

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and your suspension must now be lifted

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surely well I I just I just finished

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reading the report it's fairly long and

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shy chakar is woman of real integrity

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and intelligence she demonstrates

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there's no problem of anti-Semitism in

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the labor party but the really important

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thing she's making real rule changes

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being proposed and Jeremy says he's

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going to carry them out never again must

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we allow unelected party bureaucrats to

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suspend party members without even

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checking whether what's happened is true

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I mean I I I was up before the House of

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Commons home Affairs committee and just

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before me was the chairman of the board

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of deputies of British Jews and he's

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opening he says for Ken Livingston to

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say that Hitler was a Zionist was so

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offensive he should apologize well if

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IID said that I wouldn't just apologize

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I'd go to my doctor to check I wasn't in

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the beginning of dementia you know how

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can anyone think Hitler was a Zionist he

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hated Jews I mean it's just ping and I

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hope these rules will come through

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because it isn't just me there was a

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woman who was suspended because she drew

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a parallel between the Holocaust and the

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solu trade well the number and that

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woman was herself Jewish yes I and we've

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just had you know a situation where

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because I can't stand for the NC because

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I the closing date for nominations has

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passed the left caucus came together we

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proposed a a young woman who's actually

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been a Zionist in Zionist organizations

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and in her local party I the the local

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MP argued she shouldn't be nominated X

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MP yeah exm now that's not because he's

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anti-semitic it's because she's W Jeremy

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and that's all this round's been about

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yes those MPS who are smearing me as

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anti-semitic what they really hate is I

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defend Jeremy yes quite so uh

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anti-Semitism exists it's overwhelmingly

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a phenomenon of the right there are and

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I've met them some sections of the

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Muslim Community who idiotically fail to

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make the distinction between Judaism and

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Zionism the religion actually demands

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that they respect Judaism yet they

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sometimes conflict the two a very small

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number I like you I was in the labor

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party for almost 40 years and would have

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been in it now if I hadn't been expelled

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over 50 years uh I have never met an

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anti-site in labor politics it's it's

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actually an oxymoron I mean why would

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anyone who's anti Smitty join a party

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that's committed to challenging every

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form of racism and sexism now I've never

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heard an anti-semitic comment in 47

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years um I last heard a racist comment

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in

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1970 I and I have to say sadly I do

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occasionally hear sexist comments I we

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still got a long way to go on tackling

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that but no who if someone was

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anti-semitic they wouldn't have joined a

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labor party led by Ed Milan for 5 years

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who was himself Jewish yes no you're

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your old adversary uh Boris Johnson uh

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has uh in the last hours uh announced

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that after all he will not be our next

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uh prime minister uh he's history now I

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think and probably will retire to uh to

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write it are you shocked at what's

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happening in the Tory party uh well I

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mean I'm glad to see Boris Co because he

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would have been a disastrous prime

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minister he doesn't do the job I mean

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when he was May he appointed a deputy

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who was a former Tory Council leader and

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he got on running the machine whil Boris

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was off promoting himself I think Boris

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realized that he wasn't going to get

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enough Tor imp PS nominating him to get

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into that final two that the party met

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because most tmps have watched his eight

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years as mayor and realized he's not

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really Tory or anything he's just about

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promoting himself he should have gone

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into Show Business he's a showman yeah

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but the trouble is a choice between

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Theresa May and mich go is just a

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nightmare except for Jeremy I mean from

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Jeremy's point of view I'd rather face

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one of those Tweed Tweed them I think

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that Theresa May is obviously worthy

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competent person but dull a bit like

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John Major in a dress uh if and we know

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how his career go now that's scary he

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has an ideology which would turn us into

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a sort of mini America it would be

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horrendous he would roll back I mean you

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undergo premise ship I think you could

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say goodbye to the NHS we'd be moving to

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something like America you see him more

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as the as the neocon absolutely and the

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trouble is he does focus on detail he

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would really make change and he turned

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Britain into a much less Pleasant um

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Society so let's hope we have an early

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election yeah uh ironically I must tell

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you when I was attacked and hospitalized

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uh by a supporter of Israel who went to

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prison for 16 months for it the only

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Topline politician who crossed the road

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got out stopped his car got out and

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crossed the road to commiserate with me

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was Michael go so on a personal uh on a

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personal level I once had a drink with

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Nigel farage does that doesn't mean to

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say I'm ain't going to support him

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either well I can say I've never had a

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drink and never will have a drink with

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with Nigel farage last question then uh

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are we in for an early election isn't it

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unarguable certainly Cameron made the

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argument when Gordon Brown took over

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that you can't just sit there as the

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Prime Minister without the the public uh

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endorsement House of there yeah yeah

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it's it's exactly how Art became uh

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became president uh without a vote being

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cast democracy is so overrated uh don't

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you think the the demand for an early

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election will become uh unanswerable I

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think it will because you're going to

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have years of negotiations about this I

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whether we I mean how we negotiate

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leaving

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um and I think to do that the person's

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got to have the legitim of having the

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backing of the British people um and you

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you can't just rumble on for another

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four years before the people get a

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chance to say whether we do we want Gove

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or or or do we want Jeremy Corbin you

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know that's what democracy should be

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about I mean the big mistake Gordon

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Brown made was not going for that

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election immediately after he became

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Prime would y he would have won and I

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think the longer they put it off the

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better labors and chance of a good

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majority will be so but I'd still want

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to see it quickly I mean this we are in

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such a mess yeah well you left

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Parliament far too early as I told you

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at the time any chance of a comeback oh

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I'm 71 now I mean but you look 50 one ah

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you're so kind I but no I mean I'll do

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whatever Jeremy wants me to do but I

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have to say I'm a house husband I mean

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my wife's the teacher and I I have to

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get the kids off to school the dog do

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the shopping well that's admirable but

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but your country needs you and your

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party needs you Ken Livingston thanks

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for coming on the

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Sputnik and now it's your turn to tell

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us what you think through the portals of

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social media what's ratling Guri so as

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we've just spoken to the China expert

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Mark Stanford uh we asked the question

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will the People's Republic become the

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UK's key Ally now in this post brexit

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era Glenn says well a lot more people

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live there and business is business well

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that's right of course uh there are more

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people live there than in any other

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country we do seem to have quite a good

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relationship with China it's part of

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what I think will be our future of uh

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looking around the world for new markets

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and new customers and building new

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relationships without trying to

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interfere in their Internal Affairs and

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placing sanctions on them and so on so

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business is business business is

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business well that's all that we've got

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for today

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which alas means that's the end of the

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show you can stay in touch with us

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through Twitter rtor Sputnik or Facebook

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Sputnik on Russia today it's goodbye

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from me gatri and from me George

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Galloway it's been marvelous

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