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welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world

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with me George Galloway gatri is

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otherwise engaged today on the killings

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of Tony Blair out soon black lives

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matter is the cry from across the

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Atlantic and it's echoing here

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politicians though find it hard to join

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in and have to add in Brackets so to

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speak but so to White lives blue lives

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Etc meanwhile the new prime minister

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until earlier this week Home Secretary

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acknowledges on the steps of Downing

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Street and I'm quoting her here that if

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you're black you're treated more harshly

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by the justice system which makes you

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wonder why she hasn't done anything

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about that during all her years in power

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as the longest serving Home Secretary

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ever you have to laugh when they promis

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to bring Harmony where there is Discord

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at least you do when you're listening to

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our first guest Ava Vidal and baby Mimi

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I regularly listen to Ava not yet Mimi

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as one of her fans on mock the week and

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elsewhere and I'm glad she's joining us

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on the Sputnik and uh little Mimi is

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perfectly poised for this interview and

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if she has anything to say I'd be happy

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to record her first words on

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television AA I want to talk about your

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work first if I me you're a fantastic

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comedian thank you and you are one of a

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generation now

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that has begun to weaponize humor for

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political purposes the previous

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generation in the 80s did that before

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they went off to become

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multi-millionaires and members of the

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House of Lords um but uh you're doing it

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now people like Frankie Bole uh are

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doing it now with with devastating

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effect when you're thinking of your your

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uh your sketches your your gig do you

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think first about what's funny or what's

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funny about what's happening now I kind

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of think it it's sort of in the middle

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because what I do is I'll tend to write

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about what's happening and probably be

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angry about it and think oh go how do I

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make this funny and more palatable

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because I'm absolutely Furious about a

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lot of things that happening at the

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moment so I kind of tend to do that and

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then you know put jokes in it but like

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you said some of the sometimes you know

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with Teresa may talking about black

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lives when she's been home secretary for

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so many years sometimes it writes itself

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indeed the truth is Stranger Than

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Fiction there's the woman who's been in

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charge of the Interior Department in our

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country for the last six years yeah

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telling us without a blush that if

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you're black you're treated more harshly

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by the justice system something that she

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never told us uh before well no and

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didn't like you said did nothing about

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it and I remember seeing the debate

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about deaths in custody and it was

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absolutely shameful there was like four

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people sitting in the house of common

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it's just they just don't care so deaths

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in custody strange deaths at the hands

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of the police stop in search no one can

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no one in the political system Hello

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darling can quite bring themselves uh to

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say black lives matter no you see the

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true answer isn't it to those who say

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well so do white lives and so do blue

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lives White lives and blue lives already

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matter exactly it's black lives that

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currently don't matter you're uh a labor

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supporter a Jeremy Corbin supporter I'm

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a Jeremy Corbin supporter yes that must

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be making you even angrier it certainly

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is making me angry it's heartbreaking to

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me personally because I know how I felt

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growing up I know that our parents used

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to tell us that the labor party when

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they came to this country were the only

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people that were welcoming I mean we're

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lifelong labor I've been doing um gigs

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for the labor party for the past couple

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of years and I have been uh I've

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expressed my disappointment with them

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and the direction that they were going

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in so when Jeremy Corbin came back and

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brought it back to sort of you know the

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the Grassroots level what we expect from

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the labor party and he was concerned

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about people who had no power and who

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had no voice it was just absolutely

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brilliant and sort of doing the gigs and

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stuff like that they're completely sold

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out and sort of seeing the you know when

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they were sold out you'd see young

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people who you thought had no interest

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in voting for anything but X Factor

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climbing up on Windows to look at him

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through people don't understand that the

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power of of you know the draw he has to

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people people don't get that popular

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power power in the communities in the

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streets versus parliamentary power the

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people who creep around the corridors of

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power that's what this conflict is

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really about isn't it yeah exactly

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that's what it's about people you know I

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remember during the leadership contest

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and stuff when I was asked to do some

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gigs for certain people there was

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certain of his uh his Rivals that

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couldn't even fill a of 150 with Jeremy

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we had like thousands of people who were

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just dying to get tickets and there were

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ticket TS outside of Jeremy Corbin you

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know think like it was some kind of

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Rolling Stones concert going you want a

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ticket you want a ticket it to take a

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ticket for some of his rals exactly um

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now we don't know where this story is

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going to go even between this recording

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and when we're broadcast on Saturday

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yeah but take a punt is Jeremy going to

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win reelection and will that be the end

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of it in your view I don't think it's

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going to be the end of it at all if he

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wins I think he's going to win despite

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their attempts I mean they've closed

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every loophole I mean for it's

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heartbreaking for a labor government to

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impose a 25 fee knowing who their

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supporters are it is as bad is when they

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did the anti-immigration cups during the

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last the little mugs they were selling

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knowing that most a lot of immigrants

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support that party they are so willing

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to try and get themselves into power

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that they just don't care about cutting

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us off because at the end of the day

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they know that we don't really have

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anywhere to go but I'm telling them this

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if they don't stop doing what they're

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going to do the GRE green party is going

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to have a massive surge because that's

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where I'm going now tell us uh about

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your career now Mimi is 12 weeks old she

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is yeah uh luckily she's got stage

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presence already you could probably take

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her on the stage of uh mock the week uh

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what's coming up what have you got in

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front of you at the moment I'm just

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doing little bits of Comedy here and

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there standup gigs I'm trying to do a

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bit more writing now I was writing at

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the telegraph ask you about that how

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much writing do you do whenever I'm

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asked or if I feel really strongly about

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a story I can write to an editor and say

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look could I do a piece so I did a piece

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on Jeremy supposedly being sexist that

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just really annoyed me um so yeah so as

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much as I want really but I want to do

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book maybe about the state of racial

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politics in this country at the moment

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because it is ridiculous I think at this

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I think it's a worldwide thing I think

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black people and Muslim people and I

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know they overlap are being gaslighted

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globally really you know if you can see

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a newspaper heading and it was say

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Muslim man terrorist and a white person

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does the same thing and it goes Lone

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Wolf and we keep telling you and

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pointing this out I can't believe

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collectively that the world can't see

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what's going on so to me you know I want

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to get into the fact that I think it's

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kind of deliberate and it's provocation

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at this point a bit of divide and Rule

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is always uh always good let's look at

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the United States I don't know what your

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relations are with the United States or

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uh whether just as a black person in

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Britain you can't help but hear the echo

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but the retort of gunfire is

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deafening it seems like hardly a week

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goes by without a black person being

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being gunned down by a white police

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officer in a blue uniform um and all of

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this under a black President Barack

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Obama I know he's a complete

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disappointment to to a lot of people I

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actually beli do you agree she said he's

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disappointment too um I actually think

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Jeremy like people always talking about

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Barack Obama being assassinated but I

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think that Jeremy will be more physical

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danger than Barack Obama because he's

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actually challenging The Establishment I

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think in terms of black lives matter

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it's going to resonate with you as a

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black person here cuz you're seeing

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people who are dying for looking like

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you and you know the Bahamas have put

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out a warning to black people traveling

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to America to be careful and not long

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after the Trayvon Martin case my son

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who's 17 now and 6'3 went to Florida and

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I was on tender hooks the whole time he

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went with his dad saying like don't go

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out don't do this don't do that don't

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run anywhere don't look at these people

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too much try and stay near the hotel be

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safe you know it was kind of it's scary

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it's absolutely terrifying that that

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this kind of thing is happening in you

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know but what I don't know I think it's

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it's going to

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take as Malcolm X said you know the

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oppressed don't willingly give over the

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power they're going to fight for it and

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I'm really proud to see what they're

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doing over there and the fact that

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they're out every day and they're

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marching every day and they're saying

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we're not having it anymore well amongst

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the very youngest people that's true but

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the uh baby boomer generation of black

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politicians

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uh even more than President Obama have

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really lost their way they started out

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uh with a very clear uh path in their

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mind they formed a black Congressional

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caucus and they had demands but nowadays

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they're kind of uh anybody's I mean they

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they were whipping people in to vote for

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Hillary Clinton even though Bill Clinton

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put more black people in jail than any

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any president in the history of the

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United States what do they call our kids

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super Predators or something yeah I mean

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I don't know I just think that when

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people get to a certain level I think

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it's going to take people with the

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personality of Bernie Sanders and Jeremy

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Corbin to break the status quo because

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unfortunately as they say power corrupts

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and the higher up you get and they see

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the little perks and stuff that they can

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get from it or they you know other

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things kick in as well like they're

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scared for their family they just want

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to make a living they want to be able to

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provide for their family and stuff so

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then they become less vocal on these

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things so that's the way it tends to

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work it's sad really I mean uh we've had

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we had of course you quoted them the

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great Mar X we even had for a relatively

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brief period of time the Reverend Jesse

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Jackson radical leaders who had a

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following on the street we don't really

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have that at the moment it's quite

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incoit the young black people and their

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allies white and other uh mixed race uh

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people that are out there on the street

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uh with them you think that black lives

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matter resonates here too um we've got

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as you alluded earlier more than our

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fair share of deaths in custody and

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deaths at the hand of the police and so

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on is that going to break out into the

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political system are you going to

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feature that on stage in your work I

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already have a couple of years ago when

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trayon Martin was killed I think I did

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the first um demonstration outside the

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US Embassy trying to draw the parallels

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between what is happening in the UK to

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what is happening in the US and I've

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often been on Twitter and stuff talking

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to us activists and because you know

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they'll often post things like this

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amount of black people were killed in

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America and one black person was killed

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in England and I was like hey don't let

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it fool you we might not have the guns

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that you have but they call it something

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different I mean I was a prison officer

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for 5 years as well so I saw the system

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up close and I saw how it worked

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somebody dying in Restraint or dying of

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a heart attack or dying of xixia it's

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still the same thing we might not be

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dying in the same method that you're

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dying if you look at Brazil and look at

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the amount of black people who die at

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the hands of authorities over there as

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well it's it's worldwide so yeah I'm

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very much hoping and praying that people

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will see that make the connection and

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stop competing with each other over it

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what about a British version of uh

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Orange is the New Black you could write

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that a Videl thank you very much and

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Mimi thank you darling you are just

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wonderful you stole the show us coming

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up after the break the attempted

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crucifixion of Jeremy Corbin went off

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half [ __ ] this week find out how after

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this welcome back to Sputnik one of the

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most unedifying spectacles in Labor's

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116e history has been played out over

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the last 10 months with full State

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approval and the complicity of the state

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broadcast of the BBC the overwhelming

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Mandate of the British opposition leader

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has been systematically subverted with

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the full scale collaboration of most of

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his own MPS it has been in the words of

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Oscar wild the Unspeakable in full

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pursuit of the uneatable helping us

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through all of this is an upand

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cominging young labor man Matthew Turner

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a writer on the independent and other

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places including evolv of politics thank

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you very much Matt for coming on the

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Sputnik most of our viewers know what's

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already happened yeah let me turn to

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what's happened since the national

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executive committee by a majority of

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four uh put Jeremy Corbin back on the

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ballot paper and we thought that's it

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now we've got plane sailing to a

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leadership election it's gotten rather

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complicated in the last 48 hours tell us

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about

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yeah yeah it has I mean um the 18 to 14

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vote for Jeremy Corbin was a surprise to

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me it was outstanding um but straight

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afterwards there was a motion after

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Jeremy Corbin had left um to suspend

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labor party members who haven't been

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members for more than six months um

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voting completely and they had to change

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the registered supporter fee all the way

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up to

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£25 um which does dis disenfranchise um

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130,000 new members who have joined to

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support Jeremy Corbin's policies in the

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last few weeks um since then they have

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also tried to put a ban on new union

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members too the six- month ban applies

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for that as well um so it might not be

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the Victory lap that we thought it might

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be um they are putting out all the stops

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to kind of rig the rig the system well

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of course they can only do it uh because

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of the here today gone tomorrow national

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executive committee that they have a new

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one will be elected in September it's

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likely to be overwhelmingly Pro Jeremy

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Corbin uh but in the [ __ ] end of the

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tenure of this NEC uh they are as you

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say pulling out all the stops now as you

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know I've been around labor politics for

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almost half a century and even I haven't

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seen anything quite like this the

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members who've been

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disenfranchised seem to me to have a

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copper bottomed legal

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challenge uh at their disposal because

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they joined and there was never a

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whisper that they wouldn't have the

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rights which have now been taken away

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from them in as you say quite dubious

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circumstances and the unions

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particularly unite the most important

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Union that gives labor millions of

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pounds a year they're not going to take

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this lying down are they no no I don't

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think so and I don't think the members

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should either obviously even the

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challenges Andel Eagle only two days ago

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was urging people on National Television

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to sign up to vote in the leadership

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election when never mind that Gloria

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Pierro was writing in the sun asking its

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readers to join the labor party to

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overthrow her own leader couldn't make

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that one up but go on no no I mean on on

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that you know I couldn't really fathom

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the irony of Neil kinck encouraging

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right-wing entryism into the labor party

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for the guardian having hunted the left

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wing so back in the 80s that was pretty

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spectacular um but when members signed

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up over the last few weeks it

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specifically said once you signed up

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that you would be able to vote in

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leadership ele yeah it's a breach of

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contract uh and any individual who did

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join on that basis and has now been

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robbed of it has Prim aier a case but it

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would be better if it was a class action

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A working class action with a very large

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number of members taking that to court

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do you see any sign of that I'm not sure

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to be honest um I think various

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potential for it but I think we're more

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likely to see a challenge from unite

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over the

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ban on Affiliated supporters who have

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joined in the past six months also um I

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think there's definitely a case for that

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well this is uh a strike at the heart of

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the Trade union relationship to the

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labor party it's one of the great

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ironies that one of the reasons why the

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right-wing of the labor party was so

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keen on om of one Member One vote which

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is supposed to be what we now have was

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to restrict the power of the unions now

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that they've got one Member One vote

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they don't like how the members vote and

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wishing they could go back uh in time

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the law of unintended uh consequences I

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think that uh unite are definitely going

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to take this matter up uh legally but

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let's assume for a minute that nobody

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who joined after last January uh has a

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vote and therefore more or less the

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electorate is is as it was when Jeremy

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Corbin won the

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59% last September

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yeah is it the case that both Angela

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eagle and Doan Smith are going to run or

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is only one of them going to run and

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what's the likely result in your view I

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think that they will have to settle on a

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Unity candidate eventually um I think

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it's a bit silly having two Unity

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candidates isn't it no it is um I think

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they're both going to run for a while um

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they're going to poll with members and

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see who does best I imagine one of them

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will drop out and endorse the other

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against Jeremy Corbin um the membership

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is a little bit different to when Jeremy

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got elected because a lot of the

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registered supporters who paid three

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pounds to vote for Jeremy last time a

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lot of those did join up immediately as

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me full members yes um and moreover a

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few of the more right-wing labor members

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also wanted to leave upon Jeremy

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Corbin's election um so it is a little

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different Nick Coen Dan hoders all got

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columns in right-wing Publications now

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that's true there is about 20,000 or so

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who did actually sign up in the last few

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weeks to vote for Jeremy Corbin's

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Challenger nowhere near as many as

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people who signed up to vote for him

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but I think Jeremy Corbin's got a really

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really good shot of winning I think he's

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the favorite um you know if if we were

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having this leadership election on the

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old rules I think it would have been a

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landslide um there wouldn't have really

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been any point in this leadership

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contest whatsoever now they've managed

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to change the rules it is going to be a

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little bit closer but generally I think

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labor members over the last couple of

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weeks have seen who the ideologues in

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the labor party really are um they don't

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want a fairer manager of a twisted

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system which is against them like Owen

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Smith or Angela Regal they still want an

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architect for a new and better way and

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that is exactly what Jeremy Corbin

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represents and I think that's why he

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will get over 50% let's deal with the

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runners and Riders then um Angela Eagles

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seems to me to be fatally handicapped by

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her support of the Iraq War her

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opposition to the establishment of the

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chilcot inquiry into the war right her

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support for tuition fees her uh attitude

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to welfare Cuts uh and many many other

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things actually she's got uh quite a lot

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of black marks on her record that Jeremy

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Corbin doesn't have and yet she was out

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first and has the support of of the

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kinck and the uh Reeds and The Darlings

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and uh they're not really Darlings if

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you know what I mean but they're Alistar

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darling

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um is she's going to be hard to persuade

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to stand down in favor of somebody

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called Owen Smith no I think so um I

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think to be honest it would be the wise

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move to stand down for Owen Smith um you

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know her the last few days of her

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campaign have been absolutely atrocious

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um her campaign launch was slightly

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embarrassing for her of a disaster yeah

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um you know the eagle didn't fly really

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no it stumbled quite a bit to be honest

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with you that embarrassing video where

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she's asking for the BBC okay Robert

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peston okay Michael Crick and none of

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them are there I mean that if you were a

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stage performer you would have counted

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that as dying on stage wouldn't you no

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no of course no it was hugely

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embarrassing and I think this is the

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main point which Mr Corbin needs to

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hammer home is but the challenges are

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calling for effective leadership a more

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effective media

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performance Angela Eagle it's not that

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is arguably less effective than Jeremy

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Corbin almost certainly um these people

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are calling for real leadership and so

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far this coup has shown that they

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couldn't rid a bath between themselves

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isn't that the shoe which hasn't dropped

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or the dog which hasn't barked here we

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have Angela eagle with all her

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shortcomings I make no reference to her

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size in that Owen Smith who virtually

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nobody in the country has ever heard of

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I had never heard of him until I saw him

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on the television in this context I

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didn't know he was an MP but these

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bigger figures IET Cooper Andy Burnham

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people who ran last time they're silent

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in all of this yes is it possible that

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they are limbering up somewhere in a in

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a in a room waiting to enter this ring

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race this race I don't think so um I

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think they've drafted eagle and Smith

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for a specific reason I don't actually

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think they expect to win this leadership

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election but their tactic isn't going to

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be to lie down and accept another huge

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mandate for Jeremy Corbin it's going to

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be to challenge and Challenge and

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challenge until he does eventually lose

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a leadership election that can't be

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allowed to happen though can it uh

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you're right uh that might well be the

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kamakazi uh

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tendency uh

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but action would have to be taken to

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stop this there would have to be uh some

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kind of rule change uh that didn't

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permit a challenge every year imagine if

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the left were challenging the labor

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leader every year precisely uh

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especially when we don't know when the

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next general election is it will

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inevitably uh precipitate deselection

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moves against some of the 100 and 72

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plotters or uh those who followed the

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plotters are they really going to do

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that or do you think they might be

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planning on an exit an sdp type exit I

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think they would rather try and regain

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control of the labor party there are a

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lot of problems with the sdp exit um

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first and foremost is the first pass

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post voting system um it will result in

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a dum squib for them um most certainly I

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think a lot of the labor right

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are considering it I know there's been

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talks already um well if Andrea if

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Andrea ledom won the conservative

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leadership there were talks between

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senior conservative and Senior labor

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figures about creating a new Centrist

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party um I can't see it happening to be

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honest um because they know that it will

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result in Failure the sdp proved that

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last time all it did was keep labor down

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whereas you know the sdp didn't gain

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many seats at all themselves um it was

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an absolute Disaster by any means

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without a mandatory reselection

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policy I imagine they will keep on

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trying the only way to Halt that is by

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electing a left slate on the national

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executive committee elections coming up

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very soon and the the well the good

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thing is um that the 130,000 new labor

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members can still vote in that election

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at least at the time of recording yeah

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no yeah um Matthew Turner thanks for

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joining us on the Sputnik no problem

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alas that's all we've got time for but

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you can stay in touch with us of course

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through Twitter and on Facebook until

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the next time it's George Galloway

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saying it's been marvelous

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