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welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world

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with me George Galloway and me gatri is

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Theresa May the new Iron Lady or is she

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rather tener is she the new Mrs Merkel

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or more Mrs Merton is she left right or

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Center is she brex it or will she wreck

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it either way she now owns us and all on

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the strength of the votes of

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199 MP peace democracy is so

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overrated to help us understand more is

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Dr Peter catell eminent British

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political historian of the University of

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Westminster and the Hansard Society he's

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the author of among many things the

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conservative century and he's working on

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a history of the labor party and he

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joins us now Dr Peter a lot of questions

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in that introduction who is what is

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May she's the new prime minister of the

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uh United Kingdom of Great Britain and

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Northern Ireland or at least she is at

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the moment and she tells us that she

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wants to remain so she also tells us

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that she wants to be friends with Europe

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but quite what that friendship means in

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practice is a work in progress she has a

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back history in various ways so of

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course she's been home secretary for the

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last six years um and in her

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announcement of her campaign the speech

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she gave in Birmingham on the 11th of

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July she went out of her way to say that

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among other things if you're black

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you're more likely to be pulled over on

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the street than if you're white and

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dealt with more harshly I'm quoting

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dealt more harshly by the justice system

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rather an admission for the Home

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Secretary indeed um and so that's one of

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the issues that uh needs to be thought

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about when we look at her back history

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where she's coming from and where she

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thinks she's taking us now after all so

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far beyond the phrase brexit means

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brexit she's not really filling in much

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detail you almost need to resurrect the

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skills of the criminologist of the Cold

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War to try and work out what it is she's

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actually promising to do with Britain

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it's not only that it's

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unclear what the f future relationship

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with Europe is because on the one hand

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you have to think about well do we stay

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in the single Market or not do we end

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free movement of Labor or not do we

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continue to have some kind of military

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relationship with Europe which is

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something policy exchange um argued for

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earlier this week and may indeed become

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increasingly important to the European

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end of NATO given the kind of noises

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emanating from Donald Trump should he

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ever get anywhere near the White House

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um or not do you move towards having

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some kind of south sea bubble scheme

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whereby you pursue the transpacific

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partnership because the ttip agreement

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is probably dead in the water following

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brexit all of these are masses on which

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um everything is up for grabs and

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everything is unclear all we've got as a

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kind of guidance is the kinds of noises

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she's been making so far and the kinds

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of appointment she's been making to the

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cabinet it is a right-wing cabinet it is

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the most right-wing cabinet for many

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decades isn't it it would appear to be

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so it seems that um whereas Mrs Thatcher

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left the conservative

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party in a state of disarray um which

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John Major briefly papered over and then

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apart Mrs May is trying to stick all

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that together again and this essentially

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I think Thatcher held it together

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through a combining rhetoric A Narrative

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of economic renewal through some kind of

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neoliberal scheme which in the aftermath

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of the difficult Decades of the 1960s

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and 1970s made sense to sufficient

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number of people for the Tories to win

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elections the problem that Mrs May has

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now is she's not really an economic

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conservative she's a social conservative

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at the home office that's the record of

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rhetoric around immigration even though

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ironically of course she didn't really

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tackle immigration she presided over a

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huge increase in indeed and and to some

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extent she's been the chief beneficiary

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of her vote against her own policies but

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you have a shift towards social

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conservativism you also have however a

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number of rather curious appointments

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because you look like look at people

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like Andrea ledum and pretty Patel who

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are are hangam and flum uh social

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conservatives but they've both been put

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in a positions where they must hate the

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jobs they're in Andre leedum not known

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to like the countryside is now in charge

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of the countryside uh pry Patel wants to

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destroy the department of International

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Development which she's just been given

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does this tell us that Theresa May has

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some kind of understated sense of humor

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and then the answer to that is Boris

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Johnson yes I mean short of putting the

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Duke of Edinburgh uh Prince Phillip in

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charge of the foreign office she could

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hardly have chosen someone with a

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greater track record of insulting Johnny

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forigner and and and upsetting Apple

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carts everywhere he's gone what do you

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make of that appointment well I suppose

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one of the things you can say in favor

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of Boris is that he can speak several

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different languages so that means he he

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can insult people he can be rude to

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people in more languages than his

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predecessor Philip Hammond who was

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probably never going to insult anyone or

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indeed interest anyone terribly much I

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mean Boris is someone who will uh

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continue to attract attention on the

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world stage and at a time when Britain

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seems to be at risk of occupying a

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diminishing uh role in that world stage

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having someone who distracts from that

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you add to the gity of Nations as it

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were absolutely well lock up your

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daughters though the chanceries and the

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grand viers would do well to lock up

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their daughters yeah in the country of

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um boris's patronal line as it were um

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the Boris comes across as being a

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welcome relief from what's going on in

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uh in turkey at the moment I suppose and

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after all he just insults people he

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doesn't kill them so well he knock he

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knocked a boy down he almost killed that

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little Chinese boy but is is the detail

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not there because they're keeping it

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from us or because there is no detail

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and they're having to make up as they go

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along I think one of the problems is

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that well there are a number of reasons

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why there's no detail there's no detail

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because White Hall has not done any

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planning for any detail and as you know

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essentially it's not ministers who

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design policy ministers set the

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Strategic direction if they're any good

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right Cameron didn't cam intended to

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just think about tactics but Minister's

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job is to uh set a strategic Direction

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for government then the civil servants

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go away and work out how to turn this

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into detailed policy now when you're

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trying to unravel a relationship which

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has been lasting for 40 odd years and

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covers not only your relationship with

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30 other European countries because

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we're talking about the European

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economic area not just the

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EU but also and relations with a whole

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range of other parties around the world

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trade relations which are governed

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through EU negotiations that's not going

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to be the work of a moment however in

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sual uh David Davis sounds about these

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kinds of things not least because of the

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huge range of different things they

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cover it's not just tariffs tariffs are

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only a tiny part of it it's also

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regulations for a whole series of uh uh

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of products including very complex

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financial instruments so there's been no

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work on any of that before the

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referendum vote has just uh in rather

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damning words that have been under

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reported accused David Cameron of a

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dereliction of Duty by not making uh a

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plan B uh do you think he did that

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because it never occurred to him that he

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might lose the referendum or that he

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would leave anyway as he

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announced early days I think what there

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are various ways in which you you could

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answer that now obviously I'm not David

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Cameron but one way of interpreting it

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is to say well if he prepared for it it

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and the vote had gone the other way he

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would have been told off for wasting

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money um as it is um it was up to the

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leaf side in many ways to come up with a

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scheme rather than for them to say it's

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up to the state uh and the I can assure

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you on the basis of almost 30 years in

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Parliament the British civil services

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never usually found wanting of a plan B

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they normally prepare for any and all

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referendum legislation actually

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specifies that the government had to

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produce something called alternatives to

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membership and this sets out this is

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what happens if you stay in and there is

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this bleed of

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Alternatives and it goes through various

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different models so it talks about this

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Turkish model this is the Canadian model

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and so on and clear it's clear to me

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that the intention of the government and

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maybe it was in the back of the minds of

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your former colleagues in Parliament who

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knows that the the publication of this

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was supposed to frame the debate as you

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know it didn't no nobody talks about the

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Alternatives indeed we have the words of

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people like Liam FOX NOW happily sitting

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around the cabinet table that they were

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deliberately avoiding doing things like

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that because they wanted to maximize the

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ambiguity so they could build a broad

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Coalition which would vote for leave now

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what you have to do then is get everyone

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invested with what they want it to mean

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and then sort it out afterwards well

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that of course is where Theresa May is

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that's where we now find her she was

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elected if I can use that term uh

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loosest term by 199 people now of course

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we both know there John Major James

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cigan there are other precedents of

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people becoming prime minister without

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facing an election but on the cusp of

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such gigantic uh changes to Britain's uh

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position in the world don't you think

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the case for an earlier general election

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is going to become

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irresistible I think in some ways it

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might be quite attractive to

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her though we already know that she

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tends to play her cards close to her

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chest she tends to

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uh have a uh to to to blame other people

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rather than necessarily uh taking blame

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herself so uh in speech after speech to

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the police Federation she's tended to

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bash the police uh rather than uh take

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responsibility for her own policies so

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uh going out of her way to take on the

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leadership role in a general election

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would be slightly out of character but I

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think from her point of view if she's

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autum might be the her best chance of

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doing so because the labor party are in

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disarray in various ways and they

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haven't come up with a narrative against

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what she's saying she's come out with

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various nice sounding phrases about

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burning Injustice and so on well the

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longer you're empower the more you have

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to invest these with policy content and

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there are no quick wins for her in this

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doctor my money is on an October general

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election that's all we've got time for

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but we'll have you back to discuss your

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new history of the labor party which

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sounds fascinating thank you very much

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for joining us on the Sputnik coming up

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next from Ankara still reverberating

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after the comic Opera it's Liz Gman of

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Guardian welcome back to Sputnik it was

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a 1960s style coup grab the airport the

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television station put your tanks on the

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bridge over the Bosphorus and hunky dor

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except this is 2016 the age of FaceTime

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and the Twitter sphere and the mly crew

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of wouldbe Juna members underestimated

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the president they were seeking to

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overthrow erogan has millions of enemies

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in turkey and Little Wonder but he has

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millions of supporters too turkey's

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democracy has even more and so it was no

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contest by breakfast time it was all

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over and the plotters may now discover

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the ancient truths expounded by the

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French Revolutionary stust that he who

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half makes the revolution digs his own

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grave joining us from the Turkish

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capital ankor is the Intrepid News

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correspondent Liz cookman Liz first of

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all congratulations on your excellent

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work uh in the front line uh tell us

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first of all what it was like to be

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there amidst the tumult thank you um it

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was like being in the middle of a war

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basically we had uh Jets going overhead

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explosions going off all around us uh my

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friends were crying people were hiding

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in the hallway we had no idea what was

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going to happen it was pretty bad did

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you know from the beginning it was a

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fool on coup at first there were reports

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that maybe a plane had been hijacked or

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that the um chief of general staff had

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been assassinated but fairly fairly

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early on we heard that it was a coup

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although it seemed pretty unlikely to

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start off with there was no sense of

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this coming in the few days before it

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there was no noticeable increase in

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tension uh none whatsoever nobody

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predicted it but a few analysts had said

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a few weeks before that erdogan had

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given more autonomy back to the military

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um because of the tensions going on in

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the Southeast and this could potentially

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lead to a coup but nobody expected it

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now so the public answered his call

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didn't they he made this FaceTime

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interview uh in which he called on the

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people of turkey to rise up to come

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out what did it feel like to see them do

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so at that late hour of the evening um

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honestly very scary actually uh there a

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certain mob mentality although it was

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amazing thing what the Turkish people

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did um there is a certain scary

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nationalism that's been um Unleashed

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from the Turkish people and um well last

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night was the fifth night in a row that

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the people are still out on the streets

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um what were protests have become more

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like a carnival a pro erdoan Carnival um

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there's a lot of nationalists out

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there's a lot of um the streets of very

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very tense at the moment Turkish

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nationalism is not a new thing of course

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it's a defining characteristic of the

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state and uh one of the impressive

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things for me was that the millions were

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not out on the street carrying the

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picture of their president as they would

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be in an Arab country for example they

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were carrying the flag of their country

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and their state isn't this one of the

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characteristics of this that turkey has

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a real state real institutions that real

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people are prepared to

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defend um that's definitely true real

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people are very proud of their nation

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and there are three main types of

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nationalism in Turkey there's an ethnic

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nationalism which is um a sense of um an

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ethnic unity in true Turks and also

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Turkish tribes such as the weers in

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China and the tartars in the

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Crimea um there's also um an Ataturk

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nationalism a chemism which is based on

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the Republic uh the founder of the

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Turkish Republic Ataturk and his secular

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um beliefs and there's now an islamist

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um nationalism which is very much

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erdogan's AKP followers and although no

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people weren't holding up pictures of

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erdogan but the states were so for

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example all the advertising electronic

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Advertising Signs have been turned into

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Turkish Flags but they also have

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pictures of erdogan um the celebrations

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that have been going on for five days in

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taxim in Istanbul which is like in Maine

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Square uh there are big pictures of

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erdan these are pictures from the big

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cities uh what is the news from the

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other places throughout the turkey I

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mean turkey is obviously also a tourist

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destination how how is it looking

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throughout the

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country well certainly the more touristy

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areas in the west and the South Coast

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don't tend to be too politically charged

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but on Saturday night there were reports

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in malaa which is in the South that a

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group of Turkish nationalists were um

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invading an Levy area the levy are a um

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a minority quite liberal um Islamic

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religious group um there reports that a

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violent mob were invading the area but

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they were never confirmed um aside from

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that there has been reports of uh Syrian

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migrants having their houses burnt down

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and sort of various one-off attacks

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there was a terror attack in trbs on

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which is in the north yesterday I

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believe so the main focus of the coup

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has certainly been Istanbul and anchor

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but the rest of the country seems to be

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descending more into some slight

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infighting and minor Terror attacks now

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two at least of those strands of

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nationalism that you described are

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usually uh manifested in hostility to

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the Kurdish minority the main party uh

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that is supported overwhelmingly by the

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Kurdish population was quickly uh out

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against the coup uh to what extent can

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we expect an

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intensification of anti-kurdish feeling

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and actions from the center from the

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state um so since the AKP Who are the

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ruling party the justice and development

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party have been in power for about 13

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years they championed the peace process

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they um were instrumental in brokering

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the ceasefire with the pkk in the

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Southeast well they're everywhere but

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mostly in the

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Southeast um it collapsed last year

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since then erdogan and various other

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people within the pkk have made it very

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clear that uh they will not give up on

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this fight until they've achieved full

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neutralization of the pkk so until

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they've disbanded the pkk and um

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finalized their existence I guess um in

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terms of the average Turkish person

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there isn't a lot of open obvious

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problems or racism towards the Kurdish

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people

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but there is certainly a lot of anger at

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the terror attacks recently from the pkk

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in terms of going forward

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the recent state of emergency has been

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sold as something that needs to be in

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place not only to tackle the Military

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Coupe but also to tackle um terrorism so

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I I will expect I would expect a lot of

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crackdowns on the pkk in the coming

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months although morale in the Army uh

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must be uh rather uncertain at the

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moment it's not the best time to start a

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new war that's true but the Turkish Army

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is massive I believe it's the second

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largest in NATO um there have been a lot

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of arrests and a lot of purges from the

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Army but there's still a lot like a a

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very sizable Force left now uh it's

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difficult I think for erdogan to

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contemplate the real consequences or

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logic conclusion from what he's saying

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but if all of this was got up by an

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American exiled uh cleric uh the uh the

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gulen

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movement uh the United States must have

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known what gulen was doing he lives in

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Pennsylvania he's not very far away from

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from the CIA he's definitely monitored

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by the American state so if he was doing

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all this then erdogan has to face the

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logical conclusion that the United

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States government knew of it and yet

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they're supposed to be his friend and

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Ally to what extent is that seeping in

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now to public discourse um I would say

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that's not an entirely new situation

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there has been a Witch Hunt against

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Gillen and his followers for about three

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years since um there was a corruption

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scandal in December

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2013 uh which was largely thought to be

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a gulenist plot and since there has been

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a concerted effort to remove any

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gulenist from National institutions the

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police uh the Army various other

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organizations conspiracies are very

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common in turkey and a lot of Turkish

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people believe the US are behind almost

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every single thing that goes wrong in

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Turkey um The Daily Saba which is a pro

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government newspaper um a couple of days

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ago did a Twitter poll and said asked

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people yes or no the US was involved in

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some way in the um failed coup and 79%

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of people voted yes there is a definite

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belief that the US is out to get turkey

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in the light of that Liz is there any

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possibility that erdogan might now make

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some significant political turns now

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that he knows that his American Ally

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isn't really all that much of an ally

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why should he continue to serve US

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policy in the

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region well it certainly seems that

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erdogan is turning away from the EU um

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after warnings about the Revival of the

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death penalty he seems to be wanting to

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push through with it as something that

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the people want um in terms of the

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US there have been threats of uh war

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with the us if they don't exite Gillan

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which I think seemed very unlikely um

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they've already let the us back into

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inel air base for the um so they can

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carry out strikes on Syria so it's a

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little bit uncertain at the moment Liz

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cookman thanks for joining us from

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[Music]

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ankora and now it's your turn to tell us

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what you think through the portals of

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social media what's ratling guy so

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Theresa May rebranding the conservatives

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or more of the same Mac 59 says brand

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nasty is the official Tory line and the

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which she of course devised she's the

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first person to describe the Tory party

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as the nasty party and now she's its

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leader go figure wow uh other Harry Cole

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says it is actually worse the world

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events are accelerating so it's perfect

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cond do it and on Turkey what motivated

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the failed coup and where does the

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country Go From Here Sheila says it's

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arrogant schol he benefits and now he

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can iron out everyone who would have

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stopped him I think it's a bit more

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complicated than that but I guess we

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don't have any more time no that's right

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that's all for today what which alas

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means it's the end of the show but you

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from me gri and from me George Gallow

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it's been marvelous

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