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welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world

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with me George Gallow and me gri daily

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it becomes more clear that whomever wins

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the US Presidency the world is likely to

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become an even more dangerous place

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Trump dredges ever more Dreadful

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rhetoric and the pettiest of insults and

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HS them in every direction caring

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nothing about who gets hurt Clinton

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throws the harder stuff though ballistic

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missiles mainly her open threat of War

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on Syria Means War on Russia and so must

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be accompanied by a barrage of War

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propaganda against the Big Bear joining

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us to review where America stands or

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maybe false is Dr Tom Adam Davis a

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lecturer in American history at Sussex

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University and author of among others

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the upcoming book mainstreaming black

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power Dr Tom thanks for joining us the

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conventions are over the opinion polls

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put Clinton 10 points ahead is the

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election all over

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too uh I think personally that poll

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suggests that Clinton is going to head

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for a fairly or has a sizable lead over

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election will be far closer uh than the

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polls currently suggest ultimately it's

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going to depend on who who gets out on

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Election Day yeah will the people

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differential turnout is going to make a

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difference yeah it's going to make a

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huge difference it's going to make

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difference whether those moderate

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Republicans who are very uneasy about

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supporting Trump are still unwilling to

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either not vote or vote for Clinton

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whether Bernie ster supporters who many

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of whom become very disillusioned by his

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endorsement of Clinton and Clinton's

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nomination whether they are prepared to

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you get out and vote uh for Clinton many

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of them say they won't um it also

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depends on what happens in kind of key

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industrial swing States especially in

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the midwest a lot of affected

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workingclass white American people who

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bought very heavily into Trump former

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Democratic voters in many cases um they

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buy interest rhetoric about protecting

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American jobs bringing jobs back to the

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US from uh by transforming American

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guess revive American industry um so

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there are angry white men in many cases

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and there's a lot of those uh uh if they

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all turned out especially given the way

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they're distributed across the states

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that you mentioned particularly in the

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midwest that could really affect the uh

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the Electoral count in the in the

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though uh that with the two least

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popular people in America fighting each

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other it seems to me that the thing was

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wide open for a third party candidate

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and Sanders could have been that uh

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candidate why didn't he go for that I

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think it's difficult to say I mean he he

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calls with Dem and has CED democrats for

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framework of Democratic party for a very

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good reason because it offers huge

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benefits for him and it's allowed him to

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build the political he has in many cases

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the the air time and and the coverage as

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it were to to to build the campaign that

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he did but if you'd said you know six

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months ago would Bernie Sanders be this

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kind of political phenomenon no one

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would have suggested that that was

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unlikely the same of course could be

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said of trump um so as does he had any

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intention of changing from

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within I think he does because I think

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he obviously is very committed to a kind

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of Social Democratic program of reforms

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he's he is socialist in his Outlook in

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many ways and and many many Young

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buying into that and they like his

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vision and I think but I think he wants

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to reform the Democratic party or thinks

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contentious issues is the superdelegate

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issue you know that Hillary got almost

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all the superdelegates and if if super

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delegates didn't exist and it was just

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on a popular vote state to state on on

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the Democratic ticket then actually uh

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chance of of of pipping her to the post

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that he's uh that he's built is the

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prospect of substantial reform of the

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super delicate system so they probably

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to well let me predict here that if

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Hillary Clinton becomes the president

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Bernie Sanders will never be heard of

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again and no changes to super delegates

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uh are going to be worth a row of beans

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if Clinton wins the presidency she's

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already ramping up the rhetoric about uh

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finishing off the Syrian regime implying

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intervention in the war bringing it into

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direct confrontation with Russia there's

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anti-russian propaganda trying to link

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uh Trump and uh Russia Trump and uh

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about Putin in in lots of ways I think

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he admires Putin as a kind of strongman

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leader yes I'm not sure we can justify a

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war with Russia on that on that basis

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uh what are the most likely foreign

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policy implications of another Clinton

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presidency it's difficult to say um I

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that America will continue to take the

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kind of interventionist stance that it

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has now to support uh in Syria to back

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the rebel uh movements to dislodge Assad

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medium term they'll always therefore be

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in opposition to um to Putin but I think

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liberally but Trump I think it would

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also be wrong to think that Trump would

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have any less uh belligerent approach to

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the Middle East than than Clinton no he

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he might trip over getting out of bed in

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the night and and press the nuclear uh

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button inadvertently or or in a rage

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after a fight with his wife or his

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daughter I mean I'm not suggesting that

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Trump is less dangerous okay but just

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that he's less electable and that

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Clinton is clearly the favorite to win

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therefore we have to think of what the

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impact on the world will be if she does

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opposite of trump on many things right

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so she wants to uh pursue these kind of

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international trade deals or investor

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rights deals that Trump is opposing um

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increase or boost America's um place in

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the world is in a global leader uh

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especially in NATO and is trying to

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manage I guess Russian Ambitions in uh

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Europe and elsewhere now if Trump gets

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it um leaving aside the dangers of them

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tripping over and and triggering uh

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World War isn't it the case that he's

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likely to be more isolationist rather

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than uh her ambition to reestablish

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American hegemony in the world that

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withraw behind walls that he's going to

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talking about uh America first you know

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this kind of classic isolationist slogan

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that he's kind of revived But ultimately

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if you look at this man's record you he

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says he's been against the war in Iraq

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the time he supported both uh the first

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Iraq war and then intervention in Libya

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unpopular or or was seen obvious not to

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have been a tremendous success that he

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backtracked he regularly and has

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repeatedly talked about uh essentially

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walking back into Iraq and he look at

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the map draw a circle around the oil

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fields we'll drop soldiers in there

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we'll protect the oil fields and we'll

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take the oil so he has our oil yeah no

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he say well as Rosel said it's it's not

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America's fault that God put their oil

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he's not that different uh you're right

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in that regard there is one key

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difference Clinton knows that to get

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people to vote for you it's best if you

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don't insult them as an individual and

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as a as a class as a group as an ethnic

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uh minority and so on is Trump just out

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of control do you think or is there some

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madness it's difficult to say isn't it

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because Clinton obeys the accepted

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and behavior and Trump does not in

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almost every single respect and but

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he's not the establishment that he is

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rules that he doesn't respect people

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establishment figures neither Democratic

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you to talk about the outrageous things

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he said there is something very

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masculinist white nationalist white

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supremacist about this man's appeal uh

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it's not an accident that he said some

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horrendously misogynistic things about

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women you know things he said to Megan

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utterly reprehensible but there'll be

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people who who think that's utterly

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acceptable or that's not a problem for

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them and the black Liv matters uh

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protest are very prominent outside every

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rally that he is as well yeah absolutely

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um because they know what he stands for

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you're the expert but why would a black

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person vote for him why would a Hispanic

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person vote for him why would a Muslim

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vote for him uh why would an

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doesn't it it does if every white person

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vote uh then that could still tilt the

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difference it could I mean American

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electoral college system can can make it

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popular vote was really pretty close and

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America means that white Americans are a

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far smaller percentage of the population

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than they were uh even 40 years ago so

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there has been rapid changeing and this

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whole Trump forone is actually really

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it's a reflection of that is that going

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to last uh I mean What Becomes of the

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Republican party after November if he

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loses that's an excellent question yeah

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because I think you know the Republican

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the difference between the Republicans

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and Democrats here is Republican party

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got the candidate that didn't want voed

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upon them and the Democratic party got

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the candidate wanted but you know the

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more popular candidate you might say in

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amongst certainly among young people was

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the candidate the the anti-establishment

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candidate but the Republicans now have

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to embrace this anti-establishment

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candidate and Republican party seems

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with Trump it's no longer about a set of

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Republican conservative ideals it's

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about one man and a personality and

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that's a real change um

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how long Donald Trump could endure being

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uh I mean if he was if he were elected

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um how he'd work with people in the

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Republican Party given how many bridges

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he's attempted to burn uh and how he's

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insulted so many of them uh and how many

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prominent Republicans have police F Well

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they stayed away from the convention and

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even Bloomberg went to the Democratic

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Convention right so yeah but no no

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Republican former president turned up uh

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it was I mean bizarre in that sense or

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rather unique I think for such a a

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strong albeit silent show of of dissent

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of of the Republican or the GOP Elite

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but yeah if it's a wrestle for the soul

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of the Republican Party well they've

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lost on the evidence of uh of the

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primaries Dr Tom thanks very much good

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luck with the new book thanks for

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joining us on the Sputnik the US is a

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state founded upon the genocide of the

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Native Americans and built upon

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widespread slavery followed by a century

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and a half of a part height and racial

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segregation no wonder it's a mess it's

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the slave trade up next don't miss

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it welcome back to Sputnik Britain grew

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rich on the slave trade not content with

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invading other people's countries and

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stealing their things we started to

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steal the people themselves millions of

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them they were chained into the dungeons

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of boats and sailed across the seas to

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the new world recently discovered by

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Europeans miraculous really and the

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slaves were traded by most European

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countries but the Netherlands where I

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was born and Britain where I now live

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were the worst offenders and neither has

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made amends joining us now to discuss

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the campaign for those amends is Juliet

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Lopez from the emancipation day

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reparations March which took place in

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London earlier this week you've done a

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fantastic job with this campaign I've

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got to say uh just summarize for the

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viewers what are the demands of the

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reparations

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movement the reparations movement and

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the March are two separate things the

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movement is made up of various

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organizations and um I'm a project

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manager at one of them which is the

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working Action Group and the demands of

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reparations is firstly for the

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government to address

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reparations um in in all seriousness it

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is something that um has been on on the

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table for uh centuries and is now

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spilling over into generation after

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generation of people which are here so

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what we're looking for is legal reform

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and political reform and for the

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government to

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acknowledge um its responsibility to us

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from the colonies and the ex colonies

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and us here in England with regard to

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its responsibility for slavery and all

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the damage and harm that was done as a

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result of slavery which still continues

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to

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today the there's nothing unusual about

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such a demand after all uh people still

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pay Germany still pays for example huge

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reparations to the state of

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Israel uh which didn't exist at the time

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of the Holocaust against Jews against

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many others also but 6 million Jews and

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nobody bats an isid about the need to

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continue to make reparation for a great

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crime why do you think it's so difficult

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for people to even listen to the demand

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for reparations to the descendants of

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slavery I think it's institutional

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racism and I also think it's a system of

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white supremacy and privilege protecting

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itself I think those are the main

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factors racism is a disease it's an

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awful poison that permeates throughout

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this society and uh I've seen lots of

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comments uh uh recently which has just

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even shown me more so that it something

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that needs to be addressed uh within

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this Society so I feel that the the

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government's approach to it in its of

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its own self to to reparations is

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ignorance uh of of not knowing or

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understanding or want not wanting to

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understand our perception and our

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experience uh and continual experiences

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is just a a naivity upon their part and

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I think it's an insult and I think it's

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racist out point out racist that's the

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way I feel when you and I discussed this

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on the radio uh the common

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reaction uh from those who weren't

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impressed by our uh point of view was

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that the slaves themselves are all now

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dead and the people in the metropolitan

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countries who are alive today were not

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alive at the time of slavery so they say

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why should someone who wasn't alive

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during the slave trade pay reparations

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to someone who wasn't alive themselves

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as slaves what's your stalk cancer to

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that store cancer is that we're still

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suffering the damage now uh we suffer it

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in so many ways uh our families are

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dysfunctional in many ways because of

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the inheritance of slavery for example

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my mom was overprotective with me as a

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child because of she was born in Jamaica

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so she was born in a colony before

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independence so I'm first generation

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born here so it's not so far away as as

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what people think as far as I'm aware

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the last instance of slavery actually

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happened in

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1962 so um we are still living the that

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experience when slavery was abolished uh

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not all English people in this country

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woke up and said I love black people

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that is not the reality that is not what

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happened we still suffer from uh

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institutional racism we still suffer

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from direct racism and indirect racism

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in everything that we do in employment

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we suffer racism at school at University

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we suffer racism going into the shop you

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wouldn't have needed a 1965 race

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relations act if we didn't need

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permission to go into a shop you know

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this is only 1965 we're in

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2016 things haven't moved on so much

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that the government can still ignore uh

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any kind of dialogue with us as though

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we don't exist we're still being treated

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like animals like beasts uh we're still

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being picked up on the street by police

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higher than any other P or any other uh

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person of any other race we are still uh

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being targeted um by the institutions

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also and when I say that when a black

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man stands in a dock it's a completely

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different experience to someone else who

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stands even the Home Secretary now prime

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minister admitted that on the steps of

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Downing Street she didn't explain why

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she had been the Home Secretary all

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those years when this was the case but

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she said that if you're black you're

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going to have a worse experience in the

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justice system than if you are white so

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it was acknowledgement right from the uh

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top we never made amends never made

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reparations to the slaves and their

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descendants but we did pay those who

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gave up their slaves tell us about that

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well this is interesting as you know the

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Emancipation act

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1833 uh it took three 30 years for it to

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be passed uh um because of the

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abolitionists and what you've got to

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what I see as as now is that

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anti-realists of yesterday so the same

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families the same bloodline the same

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people that are protecting they

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privileged that are protecting and don't

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want to lose any status as a result of

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it are still there today so um from my

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perspective I think that we need to

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address this I think there needs to be a

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dialogue and I've been saying this for a

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long time and it hasn't happened so I

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think the slave owners should pay a

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refund well if you Gras up now to

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today's prices they received hundreds of

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millions of pounds in compensation David

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Cameron's family was one of the families

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that was compensated uh for having to

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give up slaves well uh as I said in the

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introduction the Netherlands the D they

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are you know with the Brits they are the

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worst offenders in the Netherland

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they're even very more explicit about it

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you might you may know that the Dutch

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version of Santa Claus has a black pit

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along its side which is obviously a

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slave you know which traces back to the

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slave and the word apart height is Dutch

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it stems from the Netherlands we had my

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neighbor on the show uh who is uh from

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the Netherlands and her expertise is in

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the slave trade of the Dutch and she has

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initiated projects in Amsterdam mainly

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to trace back those slave owners where

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you can physically point out this is

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this building this humongous mansion

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this is where one of the slave owners

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lived and so basically we literally

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giving a a root a map uh to the slave

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owners is that something you want here

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as well is that one of the projects

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initiative that you'd like to see here

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as well yeah kind of naming and shaming

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definitely I mean just recently 50

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million was given to the Govern that was

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given to uh another uh group of people

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uh to have a museum and also to have an

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educational institution to uh trace and

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to celebrate their history but no such

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offer was made to us and they were

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assigned uh someone from the internal

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affairs Department from the government

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to do so so I think in all fairness

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because obviously there is a sovereignty

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and there is a relationship and there is

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a responsibility to us we are here in

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England we were born here in England and

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we suffer here in England that there

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should be a dialogue about this there

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has to be some kind of consultation on

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this and there so defin I mean in London

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there isn't even a museum to the slavery

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there is in Liverpool isn't called that

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uh in duckland in duckland there is an

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exhibition it's called sugar and slavery

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but it does not do it justice we

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recently filmed no we've got two we've

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got two Imperial War museums we can have

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one Museum which says London London

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Bristol Glasgow Liverpool all these big

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buildings all these big fortunes were

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made of the Blood Sweat and Tears of

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slaves and slaves are people kidnapped

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from their own country torn out of their

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own culture out of the arms of their own

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families chained like you put in a boat

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and sailed across the seas which if you

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survived you then spent the rest of your

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life as the the property the physical

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property of someone else doesn't get

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much worse than that this is a holocaust

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on its own it is it is and the worst

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part is that we had to buy back our

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children we had to buy our freedom we

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have not received an income or or a

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refund from the the payments that we had

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to to to pay the slave owners to own our

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own children we were not given any kind

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of compensation what whatsoever yet the

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slave owners The Riches of London the

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companies and corporations that still

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exist today still have the legacy of

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that wealth you're a great campaigner

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thanks very much for joining us on the

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Sputnik and now it's your turn to tell

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us what you think through the portals of

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social media watch rattling gri so now

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with the both the conventions done and

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dusted uh both parties being very

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divided what is next Charles Quinn says

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it's all red for Hillary rodm Clinton

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the mainstream media supports whatever

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and Hillary rodm Clinton looks for World

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War II and the military industrial

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complex plus the banks to get a

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payoff well that all sounds like a crazy

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conspiracy theory to me about the

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reparation uh and whether it's time for

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UK to pay up there was an interesting uh

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conversation between Lucien Quincy Senna

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and Chris saying why are reparations for

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Israel considered totally acceptable but

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those for black descendants of slaves

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dismissed outright to which Chris

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responds uh because there are still

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people alive who live through the

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Holocaust well not many and of course

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the reparations don't go to the people

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who suffered in the Holocaust they go to

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a political state that was founded after

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the end of the sac World War so Chris

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that answer isn't really an answer and

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those are all the tweets for today which

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alas means that's the end of the show

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you can stay in touch with us on social

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media through Twitter rtor Sputnik or

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Facebook Sputnik on Russia today goodbye

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from me gatri and from me George

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Galloway it's been

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marvelous