1 00:00:01,810 --> 00:00:08,530 [Music] 2 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:16,480 3 I 3 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,960 gu 4 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:40,320 welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world 5 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:43,840 with me George Gallow and me gatri the 6 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:46,239 canary was historically taken by miners 7 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:49,320 into the bowels of the earth while they 8 00:00:46,239 --> 00:00:52,480 dug perilously for coal if the canary 9 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:54,680 fell over in its cage it meant something 10 00:00:52,480 --> 00:00:57,800 noxious was present and the miners were 11 00:00:54,680 --> 00:01:00,600 in grave danger ever since the canary in 12 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:03,719 the mine has been a metaphor for truth 13 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:05,840 tell tellers in a dangerous world it is 14 00:01:03,719 --> 00:01:07,640 fitting therefore that by far the best 15 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:10,479 new arrival in Britain's online 16 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:12,360 journalism is the canary every day it is 17 00:01:10,479 --> 00:01:15,240 breaking the stories that the noxious 18 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:18,759 don't want us to know I'm happy to say 19 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:22,000 it's co-founder and editorinchief keran 20 00:01:18,759 --> 00:01:26,320 Mendoza joins us now on board the 21 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:30,439 Sputnik keran first of all I take my now 22 00:01:26,320 --> 00:01:34,320 absent hat off to you the canary is my 23 00:01:30,439 --> 00:01:37,560 goto I I go to it before anything else 24 00:01:34,320 --> 00:01:41,079 in the morning it's a fantastic success 25 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:43,600 tell us how it began whose idea it was 26 00:01:41,079 --> 00:01:45,079 and what you hope to achieve with it so 27 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:47,119 it started to be honest as a 28 00:01:45,079 --> 00:01:49,000 conversation at a party I'd been writing 29 00:01:47,119 --> 00:01:50,960 the script tonight daily blog for five 30 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,600 years by that point and we'd grown it to 31 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:55,200 about quarter of a million readers a 32 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:57,280 month wow um and you know we were 33 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,880 bemoaning the fact that you know so much 34 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:01,640 of the mainstream media has become 35 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:03,360 dominated by painfully narrow window of 36 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:06,280 opinion essentially if it's not 37 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:08,000 neoliberal it's not going to happen um 38 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:10,000 we were saying you know what if you had 39 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:12,599 an alternative media Outlet which was 40 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:15,120 able to air those different opinions and 41 00:02:12,599 --> 00:02:18,920 speak in a human language that normal 42 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:20,560 people everyday people speak um and and 43 00:02:18,920 --> 00:02:23,400 actually start to compete with those 44 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:25,400 mainstream media Outlets so that's 45 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:27,239 that's what we did well it's e there's 46 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:29,040 never been a better time to be a 47 00:02:27,239 --> 00:02:31,959 journalist but there's never been a 48 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:33,879 worse time to get paid for it uh how do 49 00:02:31,959 --> 00:02:35,519 the economics of it work I mean are you 50 00:02:33,879 --> 00:02:37,040 all working for nothing or what 51 00:02:35,519 --> 00:02:39,120 absolutely not and this was really 52 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,920 crucial for us when we set up was to 53 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:43,159 address the fact that most of fleet 54 00:02:40,920 --> 00:02:44,840 Fleet stre actually operates on the back 55 00:02:43,159 --> 00:02:47,159 of unpaid labor you know you have these 56 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:49,519 unpaid internships that benefit 57 00:02:47,159 --> 00:02:51,959 essentially middle class students you 58 00:02:49,519 --> 00:02:53,440 know graduates which parents can pay for 59 00:02:51,959 --> 00:02:55,440 them to live in a London apartment for 60 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:57,159 two years while they work unpaid and it 61 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,959 prejudices against all of the other 62 00:02:57,159 --> 00:03:01,239 types of people that might want to go 63 00:02:58,959 --> 00:03:03,640 into journalism so what we wanted to do 64 00:03:01,239 --> 00:03:06,120 was actually Peg everybody's income from 65 00:03:03,640 --> 00:03:07,760 myself through to the newest writer to 66 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,319 the overall financial success of the 67 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,440 canary so we've got a revenue share 68 00:03:09,319 --> 00:03:12,959 model which means we divide the profits 69 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,599 between the writers they get the line 70 00:03:12,959 --> 00:03:18,280 share which is 50% and the rest is split 71 00:03:15,599 --> 00:03:20,760 between the editorial team and ongoing 72 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:23,319 costs and how are the numbers growing I 73 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:25,040 mean I I became first aware of it I 74 00:03:23,319 --> 00:03:28,439 don't know certainly in the last 6 75 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:30,879 months uh and now I'm your most regular 76 00:03:28,439 --> 00:03:34,200 reader or one of your most regular 77 00:03:30,879 --> 00:03:36,599 readers uh what kind of growth have you 78 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:38,280 experienced it's been pretty exponential 79 00:03:36,599 --> 00:03:40,920 if we keep going the way we are I mean 80 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:43,200 in July we overtook The Spectator new 81 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:46,400 Statesman The Economist these are 82 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:48,920 established fantas know these are been 83 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:50,400 around for more than a century big money 84 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,920 yeah and that's the real crucial thing 85 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:55,239 these these organizations have you know 86 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:57,159 millionaire billionaire backing they 87 00:03:55,239 --> 00:03:59,920 have the um you know the money of big 88 00:03:57,159 --> 00:04:02,480 corporations flooding into their um 89 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:04,159 coffers we don't you know we set this up 90 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:06,079 on an absolute shoestring we didn't want 91 00:04:04,159 --> 00:04:08,400 to be funded by any Corporation State 92 00:04:06,079 --> 00:04:09,799 individual or organization so that 93 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,519 everything we write is because we 94 00:04:09,799 --> 00:04:13,319 believe it it's because we find evidence 95 00:04:11,519 --> 00:04:14,760 and we want to report it to people it's 96 00:04:13,319 --> 00:04:17,079 not because anyone's paying us any money 97 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:19,639 to do it or any loyalties that we feel 98 00:04:17,079 --> 00:04:21,280 to any political group or or other group 99 00:04:19,639 --> 00:04:23,240 and that gives us an astonishing level 100 00:04:21,280 --> 00:04:25,720 of of editorial Freedom um because we 101 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:27,120 don't owe anybody anything um and that 102 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:29,440 was really really important to us to 103 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,199 maintain our independence and we plan to 104 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,360 keep 105 00:04:30,199 --> 00:04:35,400 doing that and to go from the only 106 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:37,440 people I think I can say the only people 107 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:40,080 who are telling the truth about the 108 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:42,600 labor leadership Race For example yeah 109 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:44,960 not because you are slavish uh 110 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:47,440 supporters of Corbin but because you're 111 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:51,479 telling the truth you're you're you're 112 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:54,600 not falsifying twisting distorting and 113 00:04:51,479 --> 00:04:56,600 even making up I mean 50% of all 114 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,440 political journalism in this country I 115 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:01,080 can tell you after nor nearly 30 years 116 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:02,880 in Parliament is simply made up yeah 117 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:06,720 somebody said something to somebody in a 118 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:09,320 bar and it's then written so that's what 119 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:10,759 that that has helped your uh cause I 120 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,800 think it really has people are turning 121 00:05:10,759 --> 00:05:13,880 to you for I think we have a level of 122 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,320 trust with our readers and that's 123 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,960 reflected in our growing membership 124 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:19,319 because our goal was always to be reader 125 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:21,960 funded ultimately but we were an unknown 126 00:05:19,319 --> 00:05:24,319 quantity when we began so we couldn't 127 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,520 ask people to fund us from the get-go so 128 00:05:24,319 --> 00:05:26,880 we've been growing our readership 129 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,600 growing our membership through this year 130 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,199 we've now got over 2,000 paying 131 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,360 subscribers and these people are not 132 00:05:30,199 --> 00:05:33,919 paying for paywall Content they're not 133 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,880 paying for 134 00:05:33,919 --> 00:05:40,080 a something they please include me 135 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:42,000 you've got 2001 oh amazing because I'm 136 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:44,639 reading it for free and that's not 137 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:46,360 really fair uh because there's no 138 00:05:44,639 --> 00:05:49,199 corporates there's no advertising 139 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:52,759 there's uh although by the way what 140 00:05:49,199 --> 00:05:57,240 about this The Huffington Post was for a 141 00:05:52,759 --> 00:05:58,800 small period an alternative go-to place 142 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,199 and then of course it became just 143 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,880 another corporate 144 00:06:00,199 --> 00:06:05,240 and it's politics have followed suit 145 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:07,479 it's just another part of the big lie 146 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:09,560 machine yeah how are you going to avoid 147 00:06:07,479 --> 00:06:11,599 that fit well we've kind of bootstrapped 148 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:13,520 our morality in place so one thing we 149 00:06:11,599 --> 00:06:14,840 have is that I have no say on the 150 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:17,560 business side of the canary and the 151 00:06:14,840 --> 00:06:19,680 business side has no control at all over 152 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:21,440 the editorial so we put a firewall in 153 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:24,280 place which means those 154 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:26,440 two don't talk to each other and we run 155 00:06:24,280 --> 00:06:28,080 democratically so for example all of our 156 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,479 writers are members of the national 157 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,560 Union of journalists we're not 158 00:06:29,479 --> 00:06:33,720 impervious we're not perfect human 159 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:35,479 beings so we wanted to empower our 160 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:37,440 writers I think we're also probably the 161 00:06:35,479 --> 00:06:39,759 only Newsroom in Britain whose writers 162 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:42,360 voted unanimously in favor of their pay 163 00:06:39,759 --> 00:06:44,960 deal anyone sued you 164 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:48,199 yet um no I think we had one angry 165 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:50,160 letter from lawyers um when we we were 166 00:06:48,199 --> 00:06:52,720 actually the first UK media organization 167 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:55,120 that got into return marketing um and 168 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:57,919 began the discussion about push polling 169 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:59,080 um and election fraud expenses um 170 00:06:57,919 --> 00:07:01,680 Scandal that is breaking and we've got 171 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:04,039 lots more to come on that um but we're 172 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:07,360 happy to take those risks no this uh is 173 00:07:04,039 --> 00:07:09,440 an to continue the mining metaphor this 174 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:13,000 is a virtually untapped 175 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:16,080 scene uh seam rather the the extent to 176 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:19,639 which uh polling is actually now being 177 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:23,599 used to create outcomes rather than to 178 00:07:19,639 --> 00:07:25,639 measure likely outcomes uh the method of 179 00:07:23,599 --> 00:07:30,039 questioning the timing of polls timing 180 00:07:25,639 --> 00:07:32,800 of release and so on uh in order to to 181 00:07:30,039 --> 00:07:35,160 create a desired outcome on the part of 182 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:38,680 the person paying for the for the poll 183 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:43,479 completely just a suggestion for future 184 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:46,159 investigation um the form online only 185 00:07:43,479 --> 00:07:50,039 online that's the future isn't it I mean 186 00:07:46,159 --> 00:07:53,000 the the days of glossy uh magazines 187 00:07:50,039 --> 00:07:54,639 except in very Niche form is over 188 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,280 absolutely that's our aim that's one 189 00:07:54,639 --> 00:07:58,199 thing we wanted to do another angle that 190 00:07:56,280 --> 00:08:01,000 we took was we operate an online virtual 191 00:07:58,199 --> 00:08:02,879 Newsroom so so there's no vanity office 192 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,280 you know where you know where we're you 193 00:08:02,879 --> 00:08:05,680 know we're overlooking beautiful scenes 194 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,840 we've got a virtual online Newsroom 195 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,479 where all the writers can see each other 196 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:11,159 um every story goes through six 197 00:08:09,479 --> 00:08:13,360 editorial Gates which all of the other 198 00:08:11,159 --> 00:08:15,159 writers can see so every single story 199 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:17,080 that gets published by us is actually 200 00:08:15,159 --> 00:08:19,080 the collective input skill and talent of 201 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,800 the entire Newsroom and not many news 202 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:22,800 rooms operate that way and a lot of the 203 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,199 feedback we get from the writers 204 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,159 especially those who've worked in the 205 00:08:24,199 --> 00:08:27,520 the established traditional media is 206 00:08:26,159 --> 00:08:29,479 I've never worked in an environment 207 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:31,280 where people cooperated like this this 208 00:08:29,479 --> 00:08:32,880 is new you know normally they're 209 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,599 guarding their stories you know with 210 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,640 dear life and you know nicking other 211 00:08:34,599 --> 00:08:39,000 people's stories actually quite a brutal 212 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,719 hostile environment normally journalism 213 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,640 and you know we really identify as a 214 00:08:40,719 --> 00:08:45,080 team and people help each other with 215 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:46,959 their stories we want each other to win 216 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:50,120 and we win or lose together in every 217 00:08:46,959 --> 00:08:53,680 respect now uh you're a poacher now but 218 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:55,959 you formerly were a gamekeeper uh tell 219 00:08:53,680 --> 00:08:58,200 the viewers this remarkable Journey that 220 00:08:55,959 --> 00:09:00,800 you have yeah so I actually you know my 221 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:02,880 career began in um in banking of all 222 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,200 places and you know I went on from B you 223 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,920 know banking to be a Management 224 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:08,040 Consultant and I've run multi-million 225 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,720 pound projects across the public and 226 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:12,320 private sector including you know 227 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:14,320 working on the development of Hanley 228 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:16,680 Point C which is the new nuclear Bill 229 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:19,480 project in Somerset so I'm not some 230 00:09:16,680 --> 00:09:21,399 young naive um you know kind of Lefty 231 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,760 who's always been involved in politics 232 00:09:21,399 --> 00:09:24,000 I've been out in the real world and I've 233 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:26,399 I've been a part of these business 234 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:28,800 operations and seen the way um that they 235 00:09:26,399 --> 00:09:31,839 have a fairly chilling Toxic effect on 236 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:33,800 Dem y on our environment um and on the 237 00:09:31,839 --> 00:09:35,399 way that we approach each other as human 238 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,480 beings and that's what really drove me 239 00:09:35,399 --> 00:09:40,560 to change and very much kind of came 240 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:43,079 through the Israel Palestine um kind of 241 00:09:40,560 --> 00:09:44,519 situation too and in 2014 I've been 242 00:09:43,079 --> 00:09:47,480 traveling out there and Reporting from 243 00:09:44,519 --> 00:09:49,920 Palestine for 15 years um now even while 244 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:52,640 I was a banker I was I was doing that 245 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:54,200 and in 2014 when operation protective 246 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:56,519 Edge was happening my readers on script 247 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:58,640 tonight daily actually crowdfunded me to 248 00:09:56,519 --> 00:10:00,279 go to Gaza while operation protective 249 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:03,360 Edge was happen I'm 250 00:10:00,279 --> 00:10:04,880 report I was in Gaza for for sort of 3 251 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:07,959 four weeks while operation protective 252 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:09,839 Edge was was unfolding and and you know 253 00:10:07,959 --> 00:10:13,279 you can't see those things 254 00:10:09,839 --> 00:10:16,519 2,341 people were being killed almost uh 255 00:10:13,279 --> 00:10:20,200 500 of them uh children of course well 256 00:10:16,519 --> 00:10:23,040 um our guest last week also was was yes 257 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:27,279 banking is turning out to be quite a 258 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:29,920 factory to become I salute that finally 259 00:10:27,279 --> 00:10:31,800 you have written a book uh called aity 260 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,600 uh the demolition of the welfare state 261 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:36,560 and the rise of the zombie economy I 262 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:38,480 love that title zombie economy tell us a 263 00:10:36,560 --> 00:10:40,480 bit about it because you mentioned it 264 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:43,079 AUST austerity being something like fig 265 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:45,240 Leaf it really is you know austerity is 266 00:10:43,079 --> 00:10:47,360 not temporary and it's not necessary 267 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:49,360 this is a project that has been taking 268 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:51,680 place around the world um since the end 269 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:54,079 of World War II really and you know what 270 00:10:51,680 --> 00:10:55,959 you can do what are the drawbacks really 271 00:10:54,079 --> 00:10:57,680 in in journalism when you're doing daily 272 00:10:55,959 --> 00:10:59,800 stories is you can only ever give people 273 00:10:57,680 --> 00:11:01,240 a small glimpse sure you know a single 274 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,959 glimpse of a single issue and what I 275 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:05,880 wanted to do with the book was tell this 276 00:11:02,959 --> 00:11:07,760 story um of this journey of austerity 277 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:10,440 from the way it impacted the continent 278 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:14,160 of Africa Latin America and then arrived 279 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:16,000 on the shores of Europe in 2008 um and 280 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:19,720 the shores of Britain in 281 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:21,440 2010 um and it it really is a hostile 282 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,519 takeover you know this is what we're 283 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:25,519 seeing it's a sort almost like a an 284 00:11:23,519 --> 00:11:27,839 economic coup d'a you know where they 285 00:11:25,519 --> 00:11:29,600 don't come with with guns and bombs they 286 00:11:27,839 --> 00:11:32,399 come with you know finan 287 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:35,360 derivatives um and reorient economies 288 00:11:32,399 --> 00:11:38,800 away from making things inventing things 289 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:41,240 to just supplying financiers through 290 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:43,600 gambling yeah it's just gambling who 291 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:45,240 published that book new internationalist 292 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,639 new international I saw you talking 293 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:49,200 about it on on channel 4 news I think uh 294 00:11:47,639 --> 00:11:53,079 on one of the news programs anyway it 295 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:55,160 was truly outstanding so finally uh we 296 00:11:53,079 --> 00:11:57,399 can get your book from new 297 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:59,399 internationalist just tell people how 298 00:11:57,399 --> 00:12:01,959 they read the canary you you can find 299 00:11:59,399 --> 00:12:05,600 the canary online it's www.the 300 00:12:01,959 --> 00:12:07,120 canary.com and there's no UK or com um 301 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:09,200 and we're there everyday producing 302 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,519 stories um from the moment you wake up 303 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,160 to the moment you go to sleep you'll see 304 00:12:10,519 --> 00:12:14,120 our stories going up online and we've 305 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:18,440 got a Facebook page and Twitter account 306 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:20,720 so do follow us it's a must keran 307 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:23,360 mandosa thanks for joining us on board 308 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:25,199 the Sputnik coming up next what can 309 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:27,880 happen to whistleblowers when they upset 310 00:12:25,199 --> 00:12:30,399 the rich and Powerful the director of 311 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:32,560 the film we Distributors joins us after 312 00:12:30,399 --> 00:12:32,560 the 313 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:41,160 break welcome back to Sputnik no less 314 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:43,639 than General Dwight Eisenhower Allied 315 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:46,279 Commander in World War II and two-term 316 00:12:43,639 --> 00:12:48,320 president of the United States warned in 317 00:12:46,279 --> 00:12:50,680 his valedictory address of the 318 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:53,120 burgeoning power of the military 319 00:12:50,680 --> 00:12:55,320 industrial complex those who profit 320 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:57,639 mightily from Wars are of course rather 321 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:59,639 keen on more and new conflicts how to 322 00:12:57,639 --> 00:13:02,199 keep a grip on them is an art not much 323 00:12:59,639 --> 00:13:04,720 perfected by Western leaders or perhaps 324 00:13:02,199 --> 00:13:06,560 they just had reasons for not wanting to 325 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:09,639 the brilliant new British film 326 00:13:06,560 --> 00:13:12,440 redistributors goes to dark dangerous 327 00:13:09,639 --> 00:13:15,480 yet increasingly familiar places its 328 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:17,519 director Adrien Tanner joins us now on 329 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:20,800 the Sputnik Adrian congratulations on 330 00:13:17,519 --> 00:13:23,880 the film I hope it's a fantastic success 331 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:26,880 tell us the story and how and why you 332 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:28,320 came to make it uh well I was a lifelong 333 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,079 lover of Thrillers and particularly The 334 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:34,120 Thrillers of the 70s like three days of 335 00:13:30,079 --> 00:13:36,399 the Condor The Parallax view um uh 336 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:38,120 silkwood and other great conspiracy 337 00:13:36,399 --> 00:13:39,560 theory films and what was always 338 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:41,199 interesting to me is that they tended to 339 00:13:39,560 --> 00:13:42,519 have a bit of a leftwing message behind 340 00:13:41,199 --> 00:13:44,399 them the little guy against the 341 00:13:42,519 --> 00:13:46,440 government or the corporation or the 342 00:13:44,399 --> 00:13:48,639 establishment so I wanted to follow in 343 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:50,680 those footsteps with this film but I 344 00:13:48,639 --> 00:13:53,360 also thought that in a British context 345 00:13:50,680 --> 00:13:54,680 where guns are still against the law it 346 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,600 was a bit hard to imagine one of those 347 00:13:54,680 --> 00:13:59,120 extreme American scenarios and how would 348 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:00,680 you find an ordinary London girl in a 349 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,759 position where she was actually facing 350 00:14:00,680 --> 00:14:04,839 matters of life or death and I thought 351 00:14:02,759 --> 00:14:07,320 if she was a PR girl at a military 352 00:14:04,839 --> 00:14:09,519 supply company then she might be in some 353 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:11,279 real danger if they happen to call in 354 00:14:09,519 --> 00:14:14,199 some ex- soldiers who might have had 355 00:14:11,279 --> 00:14:16,160 connections with them to come after her 356 00:14:14,199 --> 00:14:17,880 and in the film it kicks off with a 357 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,480 scandal where their equipment has been 358 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:22,399 proven to have led to the deaths of 359 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:24,720 soldiers in Iraq and uh she's the one 360 00:14:22,399 --> 00:14:27,399 accused of leaking that so she goes on 361 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:29,519 the run and she hides with her brother 362 00:14:27,399 --> 00:14:31,440 who's a protester and an anti- 363 00:14:29,519 --> 00:14:33,800 capitalist hacker part of this group 364 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:35,920 called The redistributors Who she meets 365 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:38,639 and learns about and learns to Value 366 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:41,440 what they stand for it's an all too 367 00:14:38,639 --> 00:14:43,639 plausible script if you ask me you 368 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:46,560 you'll have to go fast to keep up with 369 00:14:43,639 --> 00:14:49,360 reality of course these uh kinds of 370 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:51,800 stories are as I say all too plausible 371 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:54,959 and it's already a big success yeah 372 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:59,440 you've won the best supporting actress 373 00:14:54,959 --> 00:15:01,360 uh award uh in a category that included 374 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:03,079 uh some really big stars tell us about 375 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:05,600 that well yeah we won a national film 376 00:15:03,079 --> 00:15:07,560 award back in April I think and Samuel L 377 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:09,680 Jackson won the the male equivalent so 378 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:11,759 that was a massive surprise and a real 379 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:13,920 boost to the film and uh we've done a 380 00:15:11,759 --> 00:15:17,199 few festivals already the film's sort of 381 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:19,680 on a released soon nationally um and 382 00:15:17,199 --> 00:15:22,360 we're hoping to to build on these little 383 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:24,600 little bits of publicity and success to 384 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:26,120 get to the film in front of more people 385 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:28,759 and of course every filmmaker's dream is 386 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:31,279 that it plays on the big screen which uh 387 00:15:28,759 --> 00:15:32,759 an expensive process to to get underway 388 00:15:31,279 --> 00:15:36,720 but we're hoping we have a chance of 389 00:15:32,759 --> 00:15:39,319 that now these films of the 70s that you 390 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:42,480 quote uh uh particularly for me three 391 00:15:39,319 --> 00:15:47,519 days of the Condor uh were epic and 392 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:49,920 helped shape uh political perceptions 393 00:15:47,519 --> 00:15:52,120 for Millions maybe far more than 394 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:54,399 millions of people around the world what 395 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:57,759 would be the message that the 396 00:15:54,399 --> 00:16:00,360 redistributors movie uh wants primarily 397 00:15:57,759 --> 00:16:01,639 to send well the film was eight years in 398 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,959 the making and eight years in the 399 00:16:01,639 --> 00:16:07,519 writing and during that period I 400 00:16:03,959 --> 00:16:09,319 witnessed occupy and the financial crash 401 00:16:07,519 --> 00:16:11,839 and I witnessed the student protests of 402 00:16:09,319 --> 00:16:14,240 2011 I think a pivotal moment in our 403 00:16:11,839 --> 00:16:15,959 history that's perhaps not been expanded 404 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:18,519 maybe there's a movie to be made is when 405 00:16:15,959 --> 00:16:21,000 that student threw the fire extinguisher 406 00:16:18,519 --> 00:16:23,440 off the roof of the Milbank Tower and 407 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:25,600 perhaps in that one act he led a 408 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:28,079 generation of young politicized 409 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:30,319 protesters to stay at home their parents 410 00:16:28,079 --> 00:16:31,519 probably phoned up and said look we 411 00:16:30,319 --> 00:16:33,000 don't want you going on any more of 412 00:16:31,519 --> 00:16:35,639 these protests it was an incredibly 413 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:37,199 stupid thing to do it was unfortunate a 414 00:16:35,639 --> 00:16:39,519 moment of Madness I think he said in 415 00:16:37,199 --> 00:16:42,040 court but really quite a significant 416 00:16:39,519 --> 00:16:44,120 political historical moment and for me 417 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,759 at that time the film was you know was 418 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,720 bubbling under and and I really wanted 419 00:16:45,759 --> 00:16:51,000 to make a film that spoke to that 420 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:52,880 generation of younger student protesters 421 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,680 and perhaps dealt with what the future 422 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,959 of their political lives might be which 423 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:59,519 is now much more likely staying at home 424 00:16:56,959 --> 00:17:02,440 doing it online because they're scared 425 00:16:59,519 --> 00:17:06,120 of getting out on the streets this uh 426 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:09,760 world of hacking and Anonymous and uh 427 00:17:06,120 --> 00:17:12,799 all these other groups that do stay at 428 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:14,600 home uh but nonetheless make a a big 429 00:17:12,799 --> 00:17:17,520 contribution to blowing 430 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:19,319 whistles uh is that a significant part 431 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,839 of the film yeah I mean there's a 432 00:17:19,319 --> 00:17:23,120 there's a level of wish fulfillment in 433 00:17:20,839 --> 00:17:26,319 the film and and I hope a level of uh 434 00:17:23,120 --> 00:17:28,600 prediction which is that Anonymous was a 435 00:17:26,319 --> 00:17:30,799 a very scattergun movement and in it 436 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:32,640 Inception some of the people involved by 437 00:17:30,799 --> 00:17:34,880 their very nature were quite uh 438 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:37,720 antisocial types who who stayed at home 439 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:40,320 they had some very strange whims in the 440 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:42,559 early days uh that one of the early 441 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:45,520 actions of anonymous was to post 442 00:17:42,559 --> 00:17:48,880 flashing gifs on the a forum for 443 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:50,480 epileptics which induced epileptic fits 444 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,520 which was done sort of in the name of 445 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,799 anonymous so they've done some pretty 446 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,559 weird things and they've lacked well 447 00:17:53,799 --> 00:17:58,200 being anonymous anyone can claim that 448 00:17:55,559 --> 00:18:00,480 they are of anous yeah and and there's 449 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:03,080 there's that so so I I kind of Rebrand 450 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:04,760 them as the redistributors in this film 451 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,799 aonomus Heroes and of course their 452 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:08,520 activity is much more targeted much more 453 00:18:06,799 --> 00:18:10,520 political but there's an inherent 454 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:14,200 Democratic side to it because when you 455 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:16,799 hack mostly you use a denial of service 456 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:18,919 uh uh technique which which blocks 457 00:18:16,799 --> 00:18:20,559 websites by sending a large amount of 458 00:18:18,919 --> 00:18:23,280 traffic to them which is what Anonymous 459 00:18:20,559 --> 00:18:25,440 do and they've done it in some very good 460 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:27,799 places and very effectively and they're 461 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:31,120 trying to do it to to das now and and 462 00:18:27,799 --> 00:18:32,840 other things but um uh in the film the 463 00:18:31,120 --> 00:18:35,520 idea is that you you can't really do 464 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:38,240 this without a democratic support of a 465 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:39,520 lot of people you share an app which you 466 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,880 have on your computer and you don't 467 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:43,880 really need to be a a total nerd with 468 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:46,760 lots of technical knowledge you simply 469 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:48,880 down download an app put it on your 470 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:51,039 computer and then share it around a lot 471 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:53,799 of people and if all of you are hitting 472 00:18:51,039 --> 00:18:55,520 the same Target at the same time you can 473 00:18:53,799 --> 00:18:59,080 bring about real change and this is how 474 00:18:55,520 --> 00:19:00,760 it happens um in the film we speculate 475 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:03,120 that this might actually start dealing 476 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:05,480 with the vast amounts of hidden wealth 477 00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:07,159 and tax evasion wealth in the country by 478 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:09,600 taking it out of accounts in a Robin 479 00:19:07,159 --> 00:19:13,480 Hood way and redistributing it to where 480 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:15,799 it's needed so the film targets the city 481 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:19,120 the bankers The Establishment did you 482 00:19:15,799 --> 00:19:20,919 have any resistance in any way um in 483 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:22,760 making the film uh coming from that 484 00:19:20,919 --> 00:19:25,520 corner and can you please tell us a bit 485 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:30,320 more about how the film was made well 486 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:32,720 yeah the film was uh uh low budget and 487 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:35,280 luckily I didn't have any friends in the 488 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:37,720 city with money so luckily I can claim 489 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:39,799 that uh I didn't receive tax evasion 490 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:42,039 money or tax avoidance money but the the 491 00:19:39,799 --> 00:19:43,840 tax breaks for film are very lucrative 492 00:19:42,039 --> 00:19:45,480 and there have been a lot of scandals 493 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:48,320 recently in fact just coming to light 494 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:51,360 with quite a few schemes where film is 495 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:54,480 one of the the main sort of areas of tax 496 00:19:51,360 --> 00:19:56,840 evasion in fact and it's been misused 497 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:58,880 arguably there is a value to it and I'm 498 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:01,679 sure the the mainstream industry is very 499 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:03,520 thankful for I think Gordon Brown's sort 500 00:20:01,679 --> 00:20:05,799 of tax breaks and various others that 501 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:09,400 make it possible but in this case the 502 00:20:05,799 --> 00:20:12,280 film was made with independent money and 503 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:15,440 a lot of favors and a lot of youngsters 504 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:17,520 with energy and Good Will and a lot of 505 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:19,280 Innovations I think that I'm very proud 506 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:21,360 of to do with the technology and the 507 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:23,320 method of filming that made it possible 508 00:20:21,360 --> 00:20:25,679 to make a film on a very low budget 509 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:27,960 things like filming in public without 510 00:20:25,679 --> 00:20:30,960 needing to get permissions and C an off 511 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:32,600 air areas um filming with very small 512 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:35,240 cameras that could be moved around very 513 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:37,400 easily and uh doing so with a pretty 514 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:39,840 small crew I actually shot the film 515 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:43,200 myself and directed it so you know I 516 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:45,640 saved on a lot of clobber and Manpower 517 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:48,320 by doing that um and that's the future 518 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:50,919 isn't it we I mean the technology is 519 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:54,000 advancing at such a rate that the costs 520 00:20:50,919 --> 00:20:55,880 of entry into making a film where once 521 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:58,760 you had to be a multi-millionaire to 522 00:20:55,880 --> 00:21:02,840 make a movie now People Like Us can make 523 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:06,360 a movie it's not easy and you do have to 524 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:08,720 put up some of your own money but with a 525 00:21:06,360 --> 00:21:10,520 bit of Goodwill you can get it back I 526 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,559 hope so I mean of course there's a 527 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:15,320 danger that that that our work will be 528 00:21:12,559 --> 00:21:17,120 downloaded for free by people and uh 529 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:20,159 that's a reality we have to sort of live 530 00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:21,840 with but um I think yeah getting it out 531 00:21:20,159 --> 00:21:24,600 there being able to do it in a cottage 532 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:27,440 industry way being able to do it without 533 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:29,360 a kind of corporate backing is great and 534 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:32,120 uh gives a voice to a lot of people I 535 00:21:29,360 --> 00:21:33,799 think that the downside of that is that 536 00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:36,520 that a lot of people are entering into 537 00:21:33,799 --> 00:21:39,760 this space without enough coherence to 538 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:42,880 their scripts and their message um and 539 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:45,120 there there is a a lot of noise in in 540 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:47,440 the film world at the moment but I think 541 00:21:45,120 --> 00:21:49,840 um I hope this film has has a strong 542 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,760 enough story to carry it through well 543 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:54,960 you know when a thousand flowers are 544 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:59,400 allowed to bloom of course some weeds uh 545 00:21:54,960 --> 00:22:03,400 grow too but that's better than a world 546 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:06,600 where the world I grew up in where big 547 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:10,400 Hollywood Studios more or less decided 548 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:13,120 Which films were ever going to be made 549 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:16,000 now over a cup of coffee after this 550 00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:18,919 interview we could plan both of our next 551 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:21,600 movies absolutely and uh as long as I 552 00:22:18,919 --> 00:22:24,200 think we put in the dedicated paperwork 553 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:27,200 to to making a coherent written piece 554 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:29,279 that the the film grows from I think it 555 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:31,799 there's every chance of success I think 556 00:22:29,279 --> 00:22:34,159 that that it is I have kids now who are 557 00:22:31,799 --> 00:22:36,120 starting to make films at 11 years old 558 00:22:34,159 --> 00:22:37,600 but they rush into it without they can 559 00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:39,960 get the technology they can shoot it on 560 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,720 their phones but they need a script and 561 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,679 they need a reason and I think I'm I'm 562 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,960 very glad that redistributors is quite a 563 00:22:43,679 --> 00:22:47,520 political film because when you're 564 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:49,919 working on something for what's now been 565 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:51,400 nearly 10 years you have to have a 566 00:22:49,919 --> 00:22:54,640 purpose and a reason to carry you 567 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:56,120 through and for me very luckily a lot of 568 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:58,240 what the film's about has become more 569 00:22:56,120 --> 00:23:01,520 and more topical as the process 570 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:07,279 production going on the that that proves 571 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:10,679 quite a significant uh reality that 572 00:23:07,279 --> 00:23:13,480 although uh in the end everything 573 00:23:10,679 --> 00:23:16,360 Remains the Same the issues are the same 574 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:19,360 they have a different form uh but the 575 00:23:16,360 --> 00:23:22,799 content is the same and the content is 576 00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:25,720 that the world is ruled by Rich and 577 00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:28,000 powerful people who are mainly 578 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:31,000 interested in becoming ever more rich 579 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:34,159 and powerful and if that means the 580 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:37,120 complete abandonment of all morality and 581 00:23:34,159 --> 00:23:39,559 ethics if everything sacred to quote 582 00:23:37,120 --> 00:23:42,960 marks uh is to be 583 00:23:39,559 --> 00:23:45,880 profaned uh then that obtains 10 years 584 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:48,640 ago today and 10 years from now 585 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:50,720 presumably yes and the and as a thriller 586 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,200 redistributors is conventional enough to 587 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,919 embrace that in the way that those 588 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,880 classic films of the 70s do and uh we 589 00:23:54,919 --> 00:23:58,360 deal with corruption we deal with money 590 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:01,000 and we we're dealing with it in a a 591 00:23:58,360 --> 00:24:03,919 military context where you can well 592 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:06,000 imagine that when a company with many 593 00:24:03,919 --> 00:24:08,679 shareholders who's been making its money 594 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:11,559 supplying weaponry and Technology to the 595 00:24:08,679 --> 00:24:13,400 battlefield is threatened they have 596 00:24:11,559 --> 00:24:16,080 people on speed dial who you wouldn't 597 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,720 want coming around your house so that's 598 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:20,000 what happens in it's a fantastic movie 599 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:22,120 Adrien tunner thanks for making it and 600 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,780 thanks for coming on board the Sputnik 601 00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:25,760 thanks for having 602 00:24:23,780 --> 00:24:28,240 [Music] 603 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:30,279 me and now it's your turn to tell us 604 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:34,039 what you think through the portals of 605 00:24:30,279 --> 00:24:36,200 social media what's rattling G Tre so 606 00:24:34,039 --> 00:24:38,000 the rise of alternative media does that 607 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:41,679 actually mean that the traditional media 608 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:44,120 is dying Philip Hutchinson says 609 00:24:41,679 --> 00:24:46,360 traditional right-wing media is dying 610 00:24:44,120 --> 00:24:50,880 that's for sure we do not have to eat 611 00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:53,960 the they serve up dying but not dead uh 612 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:58,279 and sometimes we overestimate the extent 613 00:24:53,960 --> 00:25:01,720 to which it is near death uh so of 614 00:24:58,279 --> 00:25:04,240 course all power to the New Media but 615 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:07,559 don't imagine that the old media doesn't 616 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:09,960 still have a very powerful position just 617 00:25:07,559 --> 00:25:12,440 listen to Phil I haven't bought a 618 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:14,840 newspaper for years it's wonderful to 619 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:17,760 dispense with the self appointed 620 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:20,880 Gatekeepers sure uh but the newspapers 621 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:23,559 still come out and they lead the 622 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:26,279 broadcasters and the main broadcasters 623 00:25:23,559 --> 00:25:28,159 are still the mainstream live machine 624 00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:30,320 that's all the tweets for today which 625 00:25:28,159 --> 00:25:31,919 alas means that's the end of the show 626 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:34,919 you can stay in touch with us on social 627 00:25:31,919 --> 00:25:37,200 media on Twitter at rtor Sputnik or on 628 00:25:34,919 --> 00:25:39,799 Facebook sputnic on Russia today it's 629 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:42,840 goodbye from me gatri and from me George 630 00:25:39,799 --> 00:25:42,840 Galloway it's been 631 00:25:44,540 --> 00:25:50,779 [Music] 632 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,720 marvelous