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welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world

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with me George Galloway and me gatri

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it's all over bar the shouting although

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shouting there will be Jeremy Corbin won

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an even bigger Landslide Victory despite

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the 240,000 people being deprived of

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their votes for one reason or another if

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you'd asked me as Jeremy did I would

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have said as I did before he ran in 201

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15 go for it you have nothing to lose

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and everything to gain but even I who

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have known him for nearly 40 years

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couldn't have imagined that in just 12

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months he would have built the biggest

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political party in Europe and have if

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you had the purged over half a million

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voters for leader of the labor party how

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did it happen well I have my own ideas

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but our first guest did better he wrote

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a book about it called the candidate

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Jeremy Corbin's improbable path to power

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he's Alex nuns and he joins us on the

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sputnic now Alex how did this man 67

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been in Parliament 30 years find his way

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through the thicket of blairite

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obstacles and Total Media hostility to

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the place he is now well it's it's

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fairly unlikely isn't it I mean if you

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imagine the monkey the famous monkey

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hitting keys at random on a typewriter

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it's easy to imagine that monkey doing

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the complete works of Shakespeare then

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coming up with a plot that ends with

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Jeremy Corin very good way of putting as

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the leader of the labor party so uh

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nobody expected it Jeremy Coran didn't

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expect it nobody on the left expected it

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in uh in May

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2015 after the general election John

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McDonald Jeremy Corbin's great Ally

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current Shadow Chancellor um wrote an

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article for labor briefing a magazine of

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the labor left um in which he said this

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is the darkest hour that socialists in

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Britain have faced since the fall of the

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Atley government in 1951 so the darkest

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hour for socialist in Britain since 1951

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in May 2015 3 months later Jeremy Corbin

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was leader of the labor party and how

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that came about I think well I think it

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all goes back to the financial crash in

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2008 but I think that had there were

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three processes that went into Jeremy

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Corbin's Victory they they were all

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influenced by the crash but they were

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all distinct um the biggest one was in

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the labor party itself and that that was

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a turn against new labor turn against

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blism among the party members which is

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conveniently overlooked quite often by

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the media and by the the labor right the

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fact that as soon as Jeremy Corin got

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onto the ballot he had support from the

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membership it wasn't all just Outsiders

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coming in and overwhelming the the

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old-timers um the when when the Corbin

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campaign started phoning up members

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doing phone canvasing in the first three

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weeks of the campaign they were already

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in the lead according to their own

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internal data they thought it was too

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good to be true they couldn't believe it

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in fact John lansman who was you know

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influential in the Corin campaign said

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they didn't even tell Jeremy because

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they thought you know let's not get his

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hopes up because you know this must be

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wrong um so that was happening that was

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a very profound and decisive shift

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against new labor within the party

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itself but then there was that might not

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have been able to find any expression if

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it hadn't been for uh a a historic shift

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in the trade unions over the past 15

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years but especially the last five years

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where they've been um engaging in a

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conscious project to reshape the labor

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party and that's to do with the way that

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Blair treated in the way that they were

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turfed out of their own party

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effectively made into an opposition

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within the party they created um and

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also changes in the the the British

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economy they used to be part of a

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corporate economy they were booted out

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by Thatcher so they basically the unions

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have less to lose so they were more

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willing to back a left a left candidate

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which is you know quite unprecedented in

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in labor party history because the

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unions are usually very cautious and

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then the third element of it are the

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social movement activists the anti-war

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activists the climate activists and more

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dynamically recently the anti- austerity

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activists that have been uh campaigning

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since the financial crash into the

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consequences of the financial crash were

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imposed upon the people least to blame

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for it um and they would normally they

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grown up despising the labor party they

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would not naturally have have gone into

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the labor party except for this strange

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rule change which was brought in for

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completely different reasons which

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allowed anybody to vote for3 pounds

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which was transformed it opened up the

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load party allowed those people to come

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in um plus the fact that there was a

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candidate in Jeremy Corbin who nobody

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could question his commitment they'd

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seen him on protest they'd seen him at

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their events for for for decades and he'

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been Central to the all Liv I was in at

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that too but always their project was

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one Member One vote which for them meant

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the abolition of Trade union power

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they always had the idea of us style

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primaries where as you've just put it

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more or less anybody can vote three

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you can do it for nothing uh and they

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thought that that would strengthen them

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it's the biggest boomerang in in in

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labor history isn't it well I mean it's

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it's it's quite extraordinary they they

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just assumed if you look in in into the

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reasons behind that change for the three

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pound votes which was the Blair rights

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project it wasn't millerand went Ed

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millerand went went along with it he he

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introduced it but it was their project

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he did it at their behest

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um and yeah they just assumed that there

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there was this reservoir of Centrist

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would come in and and refloat the new

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labor ship if only they could be given

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access to Labour party internal

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elections obviously if you

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allow um part political activists to

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take part in the process you're going to

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get political activists they didn't seem

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to anticipate that and and uh worked out

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well for for the in fact the the Blair

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rights are there in Parliament still

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that's where they are and that seem to

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be the only place no island where they

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in Parliament and in the media I mean

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the media is still faithful to the

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articles of faith of blism if not

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entirely for Blair himself and in the

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party machine which is extremely

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important which has been a small machine

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of late though now labor has 58 million

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in the bank uh so that machine can

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become much bigger and uh should I Demar

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only uh in one respect to your analysis

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uh as the crash in 2008 I would say it

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was the war in 2003 the Confluence of

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the disaster that the Iraq War became if

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it had prospered uh none would have

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called it treason as they say uh and

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and the total failure of Labor to to

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provide an answer to it so you've now

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got neocon foreign policies neoliberal

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policies equaling a total failure of uh

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a systemic failure of new labor and it

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was those two streams coming together

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that swept Jeremy to power yeah I agree

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um and also the the privatization they

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introduced into the NHS and education

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and other things which is completely

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against the grain of Labor politics and

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just alienated members and made people

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frustrated even people on the right of

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the labor party even the old right you

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know the sort of the tradition in labor

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party which comes from Roy Hatley and

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people like that they were opposed to

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the dogmatic insistance by the Blair

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rights that you had to have markets in

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public services but I agree it the the

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anti-war movement the marketization and

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the financial crash which was the end of

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the whole new labor deal that you could

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allow the city to run free as long as

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the rewards that was proved to be a

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catastrophic Gamble and I think you know

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it's it's hardly surprising that they

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were so discredited probably the more

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surprising thing is it took so long you

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have a we with wordss my friend which is

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why it's such a good uh book Let's uh

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before we get too carried away remind

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the viewers of some Salient facts Jeremy

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Corbin won a landslide Victory and by

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the way if the 240,000 purged had been

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allowed to vote his score would have

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been closer to 80% than

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62% uh but the national executive of the

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labor party is once again in the hands

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of people hostile to him and the media

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hostility has gone through the roof so

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what does all this mean for the future

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just happened in this Summer that they

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thought the labor rights thought that

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those three centers of power which are

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their centers of power the media the

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Parliamentary party and the party

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bureaucracy would be strong enough to to

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overthrow Jeremy Corbin they were

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they're completely bewildered and

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shocked that it turned out not to be so

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if they had if they had read my book

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which they couldn't have done because it

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hadn't come out but if they had read my

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but before they launched their coup they

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might have learned about how Jeremy

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Corbin became leader in 2015 and they

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could have predicted from that that he

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would survive the coup in 2016 because

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his sources of power were different his

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sources of power in the movement that

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coalesced around him in the trade unions

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and in the party members as distinct

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from the movement um and those prove

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stronger than than the forces opposed to

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Corin so far but it's it's a constant

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battle and it's going to continue to be

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a constant battle we just saw at this

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labor conference uh this past week we

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saw um the NEC expanded itself to

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include two more anti- Corbin likely to

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be anti- Corbin uh representatives from

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Scotland and Wales to completely obviate

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all the work that went in over the

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summer to get a Corbin majority on the

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NEC that's I think a very bad defeat

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which is going to be is going to have

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long-term consequences because it now

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means that the NEC can probably block

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Corbin's Central aim really which is to

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democratize the labor party and allow

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the members to have a Ser policy

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and uh change the currently undemocratic

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rules where you require something of the

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order of 45 members of parliament to

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nominate the leader so God forbid if if

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get into the race under the current

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rules but they said that about Jeremy

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Corbin I know they're probably not going

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to make the same mistake twice trust me

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morons as they called themselves would

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not make the same mistake again so

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that's very important for the future

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67 and uh he does cycle uh something God

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forbid could happen to him and it would

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mean that it all of this had been for

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nothing it would be a return to the

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status quo ante well it would be a it

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would be a huge defeat but on the other

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hand the movement which has grown up

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around Corbin which didn't exist a year

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a year ago year and a half ago coherent

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way no it was disperate it was loads of

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forces and then Corbin gave it a focus

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it came together um and it's not about

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Corbin it's this movement was there but

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it just needed something to do um and

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that's now far stronger than it was I

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mean it's far stronger this year than it

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was last year the coup has galvanized

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that movement brought people together I

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was just at the momentum conference in

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Liverpool the world transformed

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conference which was happening alongside

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the labor party conference and you know

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it's genuinely quite exciting to see

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people coming together and for and

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everybody there knows that it's not just

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just about Jeremy Corbin that they have

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to do stuff themselves they have to

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build in communities and so on and so

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forth if if all that energy and

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excitement is turned into concrete

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action then I think yeah so by the next

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coup attempts it would be even a bigger

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Force to protect absolutely and even if

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it doesn't even if it although the the

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purged will not be reinstated by this

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current uh NEC so that's that's a

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quarter of a million people that paid

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their money to the labor party and got

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excluded okay the ones on the £5 but a

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lot of people joined and were cut off by

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the six month exclusion date they're

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going to become eligible yeah it's a

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fantastic book I wish you all the best

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uh with it the publisher is our

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books.com that's where to buy it or

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books.com thanks Alex nuns for joining

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us on the Sputnik coming up next it's

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the tor's turn as they gather in

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Birmingham for their annual conference

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it welcome back to Sputnik Kenneth Clark

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the best leader the tor's never had in

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some people's eyes says that prime

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minister Theresa May doesn't know what

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she's doing on the biggest of all

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British questions brexit now these may

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be clouds no bigger than Liam Fox's hand

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but they could be harbingers of great

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storms to come joining us now is the man

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who really is the best leader the tor's

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never had at least in my opinion former

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Minister and London Merl candidate Steve

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Norris now these clouds Steve uh they

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may be no bigger than Liam Fox's hand

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which trust me is not a big hand it's a

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Donald Trump siiz hand uh but they

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nonetheless could be harbingers of great

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storms to come because the Tories do

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have some difficulties ahead well of

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course the Tories were split entirely as

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were other parties between leers and

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remainers uh there's no question that

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when Mrs May said brexit means brexit it

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unfortunately gave rise to the whole

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question but what does brexit mean uh

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you know and there's another issue which

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is that she doesn't have a large

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majority in Parliament um she has now

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got us dread carefully she's clearly

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made no friends among the Cameron

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Osborne Brigade and that's more than

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just the two of them so this is going to

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be quite a testing time for her I

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suspect personally incidentally I may

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say I'm really delighted there's a

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grown-up in charge I think that she and

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Philip Hammond are political grown-ups

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uh that they're more concentrating on

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the real issues on making sensible

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decisions which are in the country's

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best long-term interest perhaps you know

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maybe she's not going to be telling us

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Sushi thinks ought to win Britain's Got

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Talent but personally I think that's a

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bit of a step forward so it'll be

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testing but as of yet I'm in Theresa's

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Camp definitely well she's grown up in

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the sense she's rather older than recent

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Prime Ministers I I'll grant you that

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but there is some sense in which these

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divisions and books are coming out now

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which are exacerbating these divisions

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and more to come we understand uh as you

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say there is no definition yet you and I

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were both I think for brexit but you and

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I probably have very different views of

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what Britain should look like and what

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its relationship to the European uh uh

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Mainland should be in the future so

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where do you think she is

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headed well personally actually just

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I'll just say that I don't think you and

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I would be far apart on where we think

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Britain should be in its relations with

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the rest of Europe because you know this

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idea that our leaving the European

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Union's corrupted bureaucracy um is the

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same as us somehow turning our backs on

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Europe is offensive and ludicrous you

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wouldn't want that neither would I I I

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think what she's going to find whatever

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her instincts uh is that the only option

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available is what we now call hard

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brexit and I'll tell you why first of

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all let's get rid of the idea that hard

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means aggressive tough difficult you

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know and all of those sort of rather

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unpleasant words any more than soft

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means oh let's just shake hands and love

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each other you know the reality is that

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if the rest of the EU is not or if the

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EU as a body is not prepared to move on

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us taking back control of our borders

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and given that that was clearly what

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over 17 million people were telling us

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in the referendum then it seems pretty

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clear that there is no point in trying

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to subsequently negotiate our continued

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membership of the single market so the

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obvious thing for us to say is look

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we're out we're out of the single Market

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uh the single Market of course uh

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excluding the UK sells as much to the UK

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as it sells to the United States of

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America last time I looked the US wasn't

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actually in the single Market neither

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did it have open borders so here's the

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deal we're not going to impose any

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tariffs unless you do first now I saw

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yesterday for example the head of Jaguar

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Landrover a major uh Automotive producer

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in the UK saying he was very worried

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about the implications for hard brexit

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let me tell you he's not half as worried

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as the bus of Mercedes Benz BMW Audi

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Volkswagen Porsche remember that the UK

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is home to 20% of the German Auto

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Industries exports 20% so you know my

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view is that there's no point in trying

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to negotiate with the remaining 27 we'll

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be doing that till you and I are long

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gone it's a ridiculous proposition we

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just have to say we're out now what's

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our future relationship going to be is

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it Gat tariffs which average 3 to 4% um

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because frankly if it is remember that

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the currency fluctuations are going to

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be much more significant than that

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that's has much more to do with the

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competitiveness of your Imports or

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exports uh or are we going to go for

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some completely tariff free regime where

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you know you want to trade with us you

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sell far more to us than we sell to you

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uh and if you're happy to do that we're

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perfectly happy to do it I think hard

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brexit by which I mean we leave is

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actually the only practicable way

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forward and when Mrs May has discussed

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it you and I I know what she now does

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she studies she reads all the evidence

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she comes to her own conclusion she may

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find that difficult incidentally when

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she's trying to run 20 government

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departments but that's her method and I

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think on this as you rightly said the

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most important question in Britain right

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now she'll study it she'll read

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everything and she'll come to the

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conclusion this is the only practical

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Way Forward well I I'm with you in every

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particular on what you just said

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although I make this caveat and I know

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because I know you very well that you

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agree that uh free movement of Labor is

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what we are Keen to stop not people uh

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we're not against people because they're

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foreign or I'm married to uh one we're

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I'm talking about the labor Supply if

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you flood the labor Supply then you

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drive the price of Labor down this is

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simple economics uh well I I again I'm

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with you because uh you know my own view

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is that when you take back control of

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your borders you most certainly don't

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shut them that would be absurd it would

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not only be inhumane but it would also

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be against our own national interests we

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need skills we need uh tourists we need

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all sorts of people to come here and

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enjoy coming to the UK whether they're

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coming to settle or merely coming to

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visit I couldn't agree more about that

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and just to say that the real tragedy in

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terms of importing uh effectively cheap

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labor is that that cheap labor itself

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that migrant labor is being exploited

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let's be clear and in the process is

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making profits for employers but at the

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expense not only of those exploited

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migrants but of other people of our

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citizens in this country all colors all

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colors or from wherever they came who of

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course are not they haven't seen their

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wages rise in five or six years this is

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an old convinced Tory saying this you

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know I still believe that the the

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divisions in our society have to start

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to close and that this is one way in

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which we've got to make sure that

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happens that's what that 17.4 million

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people in my view were arguing for they

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weren't saying we never want to see any

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more migrants or we never want to see a

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foreigner again it wasn't jingoistic it

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was saying look my job you know I'm I'm

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trying hard to raise a family I haven't

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seen an increase in pay for 5 years it's

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because of this cheap labor which of

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course we know is being exploited indeed

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uh how are the Tories doing otherwise uh

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it's a bit like U uh um apart from that

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Mrs Lincoln how did you enjoy

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secondate but how I mean do you feel

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that may is a kind of gentler kind of

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Tourism a more hard edged kind of

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Tourism to Cameron what what actually is

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she well well I think well I think

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she's it really is true that you know

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what you see is what you get she's a

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daughter of Parson um she was educated

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at grammar school brought up in a

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perfectly straightforward middle class

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household succeeded in her own chosen

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business area in banking with the bank

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of England and Barky and other people uh

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who got into po politics for really good

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reasons she's somebody who I think wants

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the best for the country uh she's

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dedicated she's hardworking even to the

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point perhaps of not necessarily having

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a great or original sense of humor she's

544
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not a particularly warm person she

545
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probably knows that I think you're going

546
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to see uh does make her closer to the

547
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:20,600
people than Cameron you think because

548
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:22,200
that's what one of the suggesting

549
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,840
actually yeah I mean I actually think

550
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she will be that's the irony you know

551
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:28,120
because David Cameron tried so

552
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:30,240
desperately hard to be one of the call

553
00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:32,279
me dead you know the infamous Andrew

554
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:34,600
Neil line which he you know still

555
00:21:32,279 --> 00:21:36,960
ruthlessly uses but there was an element

556
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:40,720
of that I used to I remember saying to

557
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:43,480
to to Emma my wife um hey if I ever take

558
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:46,440
you on a three star holiday on ryion a

559
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:49,039
to meorc you know you got the right to

560
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:51,080
divorce me you can have the lot you know

561
00:21:49,039 --> 00:21:52,760
what poor old Samantha had to put up

562
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,640
with God these were all poses but they

563
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:58,000
were they were unconvincing weren't they

564
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:59,039
because plainly David Cameron and his

565
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:03,600
wife were

566
00:21:59,039 --> 00:22:05,640
from a gilded uh 1% of the population

567
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:07,320
and all their friends were if they

568
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:10,000
weren't in the noting Hills set they

569
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:12,679
were in the chipping Norton set do you

570
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:14,919
think May represents in class terms in

571
00:22:12,679 --> 00:22:16,840
Social terms a different segment yes

572
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very much very much she had she she

573
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represents the category I certainly fall

574
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into and millions of people I know do

575
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,799
which is um you know coming from Fairly

576
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,520
humble background but going to a decent

577
00:22:24,799 --> 00:22:27,760
grammar school then to a good University

578
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,120
and then making your own way in the

579
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,440
world and that's fair very very

580
00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:34,760
different from the you know from the

581
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:36,880
sort of uh Notting Hill uh trust aarian

582
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Brigade um uh she will have nothing to

583
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:42,360
do with that does that make her better

584
00:22:39,159 --> 00:22:44,840
well only time will tell um she's still

585
00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:46,000
untried um Andrew ronley wrote a very

586
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,159
good piece when he said that she's

587
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:50,760
enjoying a honeymoon but but it's perhap

588
00:22:48,159 --> 00:22:52,919
masking that uh one of her weaknesses

589
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,240
which is that if she if she stayed in

590
00:22:52,919 --> 00:22:56,200
the home office for six years by

591
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studying every document that went across

592
00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:00,279
her desk reading every single piece of

593
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data and not allowing anything through

594
00:23:00,279 --> 00:23:04,120
that she wasn't happy with you can maybe

595
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,760
do that with one department but let me

596
00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:08,240
tell you as a minister a former minister

597
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:10,159
in a department uh and working in four

598
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:12,120
departments all together you can't do

599
00:23:10,159 --> 00:23:14,080
that with 20 Departments of state it

600
00:23:12,120 --> 00:23:16,240
just won't work so we've got to see

601
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:19,480
whether or not she can translate this

602
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:22,080
great I think this great sense of I'm a

603
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:23,720
straightforward person you know she says

604
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:26,159
I I lunch with journalist but I don't

605
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:29,120
gossip must be a great

606
00:23:26,159 --> 00:23:30,559
lunch but you know what I mean um um

607
00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:33,120
when you when you know you're going to

608
00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:35,240
see a more serious uh a more committed

609
00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:38,080
kind of government um whether it's more

610
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:40,400
successful only time will tell person

611
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:44,279
only time for one more question is the

612
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:47,320
lack of a a mandate uh going to

613
00:23:44,279 --> 00:23:49,880
handicapper isn't there ineluctably

614
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:53,279
going to be pressure for an earlier than

615
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:55,799
2020 general election exactly yeah well

616
00:23:53,279 --> 00:23:57,880
the lack of parliamentary majority is

617
00:23:55,799 --> 00:24:00,440
clearly concern for her particularly

618
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:02,360
because her radical reshuffle of

619
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,320
government did make some enemies and you

620
00:24:02,360 --> 00:24:06,400
and I know there's nothing worse than a

621
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:08,080
former Minister who's disgruntled about

622
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,360
having lost the job and given it to

623
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:13,159
somebody that he regards as less than

624
00:24:10,360 --> 00:24:15,200
his equal um but whether she'll go for

625
00:24:13,159 --> 00:24:18,080
that early election I'm not sure you

626
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:21,120
know that's out of her character she's

627
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:23,600
not an opportunist she says I have a

628
00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:25,159
mandate I'm going to deliver it my own

629
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,520
view is that whilst there will be people

630
00:24:25,159 --> 00:24:30,520
saying to her strike while labor is

631
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:33,039
let's face it as weak as it is uh and

632
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,960
basically wipe them out um that might

633
00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:38,279
sound attractive but she's not a risk

634
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:41,320
taker and unless she really is driven to

635
00:24:38,279 --> 00:24:44,120
that by perhaps uh opposition in her own

636
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:47,360
party I suspect she'll run the full

637
00:24:44,120 --> 00:24:49,399
term well we'll see and I hope you and I

638
00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:50,440
are both still around to see how it all

639
00:24:49,399 --> 00:24:54,530
plays

640
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:56,520
out Steve Norris thank you for joining

641
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642
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us and now it's your turn to tell us

643
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,440
what you think through the portals of

644
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:05,399
social media what ratling gu so we're

645
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discussing labor and the Tories this

646
00:25:05,399 --> 00:25:10,320
week and on the first Ricardo Picasso

647
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has to say the following in his first

648
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weeks as leader he transformed the party

649
00:25:12,919 --> 00:25:18,159
back into a labor movement and euroman

650
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and activist says the Tories have no

651
00:25:18,159 --> 00:25:25,240
mandate they only had 24% of the votes

652
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76 of the English and nobody in Scotland

653
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and that's all the tweets we've got time

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for which alas means that that's the end

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of the show you can stay in touch with

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us though on social media on Twitter at

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and from me George Galloway it's been

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marvelous

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