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welcome to sputnik orbiting the world

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with me george galloway and me gayatri

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for a decade prime minister erdogan the

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leader of the muslim brotherhood's

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turkish franchise has bestowed the

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republic's politics like a colossus he

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has transformed the economy abolished

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ludicrous anti-islamic discrimination

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women in hijabs were hitherto banned

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from wearing them in public places like

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schools universities town halls and the

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rest he has built roads and bridges

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bulldozed and battered his way through

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the stagnation of his predecessors his

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foreign policy began with the intention

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of no conflict with the neighbours but

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that has run into the sands since he

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allowed turkey to become the war front

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in the international assault upon his

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neighbor syria

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relations with iraq are poor too last

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month a leaked audio file uploaded to

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youtube revealed that erdogan's

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administration had been discussing with

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his generals a false flag provocation

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which would be used to wait an all-out

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war on the syrian arab republic

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he then promptly banned youtube the

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twitter sphere grew thick with

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revelations about rampant corruption

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involving members of erdogan's own

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family and the sons of other leaders of

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his ruling akp

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he promptly banned twitter too and when

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thousands earlier took to the streets to

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protest his increasingly authoritarian

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rule he gunned them down with water

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cannon rubber bullets and finally hot

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lead joining us now to discuss the

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question of erdogan victor or villain is

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nesen fechmei editor-in-chief of olay

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gazette the london-based online turkish

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newspaper thank you very much for

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joining us erdogan has just won 45 of

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the vote so not even a simple majority

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but he's hailed it as a magnificent

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victory and vowed revenge on his enemies

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it's not quite the magnaminity that one

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might have expected from an election

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victor

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obviously he calls it a victory but as

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far as the turkish nation and population

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concern i have doubts about that as far

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as the municipal elections and possibly

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the coming general elections i'm sure he

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will win again uh obviously his

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supporters

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comes mainly from the religious group

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and possibly because of erdogan's during

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his

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ministerial prime ministerial time he's

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encouraged a lot of investment brought

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free nhs

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uh he's also collecting

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votes from the other part of the

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community as well that's why he's

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getting his majority

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but as far as turkish democracy is

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concerned i have very big doubts that

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by looking at recent events during

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erdogan's prime ministerial time

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i can see that they got rid of the

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security

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of democracy in turkey the army itself

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then obviously they got in control the

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free speech

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television

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and i believe now they have probably

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have the intention of

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tempering with the constitution

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if they get the majority in the coming

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general elections so to me all these

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events when i look back i can see as if

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this is step by step dismantling the

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secularism

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in turkey

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the you say the army is the guarantor of

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democracy but the army of course

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frequently crushed democracy in turkey

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in the past

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uh well military junta ruled turkey in

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my lifetime yes when ataturk left he

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brought in democracy parliamentary

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system

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uh changing it from empire

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sultan ruling into a democratic system

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obviously it was not easy because they

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just came out of independence war as

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well and he thought to himself that

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there are

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two

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institutions that he can trust

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to protect the

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democracy that they brought

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parliamentary system the university

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students which he made a speech towards

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the university students for the future

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young generation

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and the army itself but obviously there

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has been corruption in the army as well

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which nobody can deny that during that

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and also he formed a national party

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unfortunately neither the army nor the

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political party has served the country

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ataturk would have loved to

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if we look at the period between 1923

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and erdogan's akp party time jf has

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always been in the front line of

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politics but they have always used the

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nationalism card rather than bringing in

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new policies and development

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and they have also damaged the country

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splitting the nation into

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kurds and turks

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rather than uniting the whole

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remnants of ottoman empire whatever

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background ethnicity they come from they

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did not work on it they worked on

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nationalism just to church

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turkish nationalism which split the

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country because they have a big

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population who call themselves kurdish

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kurds are spread in turkey syria iraq

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and iran as everybody knows and they had

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no nation they had no country

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this does not mean that they could not

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have lived

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peacefully and with equal rights in

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turkey but jaipur has never really

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spent enough time solving these problems

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and relating to these people with their

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language

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they couldn't speak or

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learn their own language as well

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as a secondary language they did not

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spend invest money into

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southeastern turkey

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mostly the investments has always been

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into big cities like istanbul ankara

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western turkey rather than east so

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we no one can say that they've done any

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better than erdogan

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the national they use the nationalism

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card now we look at the erdogan zira

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they're using the religious card because

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after 600 years of sultan's rule which

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he was the religious leader as well

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majority of the population digested

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um understanding and philosophy

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when ataturk changed into democracy in

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1923 they did not have enough time to

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democracy and secularism erdogan knew

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this and his party knew this and they

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with the

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religious card and

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they knew they would get a lot of votes

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in the anatolia the whole turkey eastern

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and southeastern plus on top of that

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they added the investment encouraging

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investment

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and i understand in one of his speeches

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he used saying uh earlier when he was

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in public

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democracy is like a train

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you jump on it and you jump off as you

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arrive to your destination what i

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believe he meant by that is that we will

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use democracy as a name we will use

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elections as a name

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to get

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the votes get to our destination and

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don't jump off and bring in the changes

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that we have in our minds

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in other words islamic

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rule maybe or

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you can't do all that on the basis of 45

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of the vote i mean as uh president morsi

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found in egypt yes

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winning 51 of the vote cannot be treated

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as a mandate

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for profound transformational uh changes

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the issue for erdogan therefore is if he

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gets 45 where's the other 55 and how

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united are they how able are they to

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stop this train yeah because you

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mentioned the kurds i mean what was

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what's their position now and how did

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they voted in the past

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at least they have entered parliament

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they have their own parties but some

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somehow they cannot get enough mps into

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the parliament

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due to the election systems in turkey so

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yes they have a voice

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to a certain extent but they cannot

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enter into a party like the other

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parties uh to represent themselves and

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possibly get involved with politics and

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they steal that split and it's not just

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kurz themselves then you have

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alevis which is a big portion of

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population they are not sunnis

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they're alive they don't go to mosque

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they have their own places to pray and

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none of the government this is the same

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sect of course yeah that the ruling uh

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family in syria and they're mostly

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concentrated in the east as well they

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have their own praying places but the

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government

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seems to be building 200 most

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as we hear the figures a year whereas

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those people don't have any they pay

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taxes well and they don't have they

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don't get permission to build no no the

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governments are not paying attention and

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respect so what's the opposition then to

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erdogan is it well

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divided and therefore 45 percent they

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are divided they are divided because you

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got the uh kurdish people they probably

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will vote for

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which is a kurdish backed

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party then you have jehovah

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absolutely republicans and then you have

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hurricane party which is more

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nationalist party so their spit the

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opposition is split into three i see

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there's no left in this picture is there

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no turkish left worth

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talking about in electoral terms no

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there is not that much well edjavit who

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used to be the leader of jhepe

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was supposed to be a a bit of socialist

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edge of it yeah but what about left of

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him nothing nothing nothing i can't see

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that and there is no

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there is no uh

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development in the party itself and they

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don't know which

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car to use like erdogan

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to attract votes

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nationalism is out of the way at the

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only religion is working in turkey there

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are no party who will bring policies

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where people will say that yes we are

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voting for policies now what is

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positive to all these

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arguments demonstrations and changes in

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almost half of the population now

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ladies

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young women university students children

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getting going out on the streets

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and demanding equal rights

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so if we look at it what happened in the

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last 90 years

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in turkish democratic history at least

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we got the people now

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trying to raise their voice through

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demonstrations like jesse park if you

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watch the pictures on gezi park you will

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see a lot of women on the streets you

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will see a lot of young students

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they are not politically minded they

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don't

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vote they vote for different parties but

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when it comes to local issues freedom of

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speech

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and equality they're on the streets so

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this is positive signs that it will be

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back on the streets

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i think jesse park was the

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point where public said enough is enough

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and they put a stop to it

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and this will go on it will continue the

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problem is

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where is the party a lot of people now

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in

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the general elections

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will not even vote because they don't

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approve any of the parties

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thank you very much mr freckme we're

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going to have to discuss that

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again

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coming up is one of the united states

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haven't heard of yet but you will trust

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welcome back to sputnik who what why

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that used to be the abc of journalism

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later replaced by the tame acceptance of

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now it is the name of the go-to site who

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what y.com which tells you everything

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you need to know and otherwise surely

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won't be told about america and the

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world its founder and sharpest knife in

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its formidable box is ross baker who

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joins us now russ thanks for coming on

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board the sputnik

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tell us first

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why are you here is american journalism

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uh seeking to teach us something

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how do you get this site

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how's it doing

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what's it doing well george we started

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who what why because we found that the

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full story was not being told to the

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american people and we soon started

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receiving visitors from around the world

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particularly from the uk who also felt

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that they were not always getting the

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full story and so the reason i'm here in

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london is to sort of try to partner with

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other people here to recruit writers uh

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some financial supporters others who

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want to work with us to sort of spread

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truth-telling journalism throughout the

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world and it's who what why dot com

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let's get that clear i've been following

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you for a number of years uh and i think

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there is something of a renaissance in

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american

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journalism i mean you you were just

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watching the movie well uh a while ago

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we watched uh all the president's men

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great movie and it shows the real

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journalist a profession and then and

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then i think is this would you say that

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who why is the current the modern um

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online version well i i always uh

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i hate to step on these sorts of myths

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but unfortunately even the uh all the

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president's men story was sort of a myth

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and in my book family of secrets which

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george knows i've gone into extensively

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what the problems are even with that

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story the establishment media tends to

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serve us up stories and convenient

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heroes who often actually are not uh and

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when you're really going fearlessly

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you're looking at the story of kibono

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who gains in all of these situations

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it's much much harder to find a platform

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that is why we exist that's why we're

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creating this platform but

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grand world and the snowden affair and

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your work

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all seems to indicate that uh

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life has not entirely gone out of the

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investigative american journalists that

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is true in fact i would say that uh

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there is a hunger for it uh and that i

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think that the establishment media is

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playing catch-up struggling to uh to get

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a little bit of a piece of it they're

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afraid to take too much of it but they

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want some of it because they know that's

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where the public is headed now some

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years ago you literally startled me with

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information i had not seen or heard

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anywhere else about the

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character muhammad atta the lead

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hijacker on 911

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and you revealed things about his time

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in florida and so on that were simply

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amazing and which are not known

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by the great majority of people even now

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but when i met you in parliament the

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other day

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if anything you started me even more

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with your analysis which you're working

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on of the boston marathon bombing tell

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us about that story well sure george uh

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what we find is when we dig into these

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sort of major traumas that result in an

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increased public fear

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increased measures by the governmental

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authorities

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really representing kind of a rollback

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of our civil liberties we always want to

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take a close look and see is the story

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we're being told an accurate story most

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americans and i think most people in the

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world feel that it is a done deal that

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these two brothers committed this crime

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actually most of the things that we

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think we know we don't actually know we

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don't actually know we've never been

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shown any kind of evidence that they did

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it we think we saw footage of them

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putting those backpacks down and leaving

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there we never saw that footage and

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really the key element in this whole

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story that sort of convicts them before

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any trial

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is an alleged confession by the elder

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brother the tsarnaev brother to a man he

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allegedly hijacked carjacked now the

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problem with that story was when we

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began to look at it it falls apart

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the man who claims that he received this

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confession his identity has been

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shielded from the public to the present

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day and as we look at his story we see

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that he told different stories to law

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enforcement and to different uh media

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organizations suggesting that uh his

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story may have been sort of forced along

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a trajectory from a more benign story in

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which there was no confession and there

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was no carjacking to where it was a much

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grander and more insidious story the

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lead perp dead

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the brother

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dead

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the

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witnesses

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anonymous

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what happened in that apartment again in

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florida

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was very different to what the

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story we were told seemed to indicate

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in a nutshell the elder of the tsarnaev

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brothers dead the younger brother uh

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badly wounded

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they fired more than 100 shots into a

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boat where he was believed to be hiding

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he did not have a weapon he did not fire

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a single shot back

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second of all

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a close friend of the elder brother who

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perhaps could have shed the most light

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on what actually happened and what if

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any involvement

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tamerlan tsarnaev may have had in this

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he was in

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fbi custody in florida and he was shot

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and killed while being interrogated the

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most extraordinary story is that

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possible

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how is that even possible that the fbi

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couldn't uh i mean they said that he

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attacked him whilst he was being

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interrogated an inherently implausible

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story to begin with but

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even more implausible is the idea that

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the federal bureau of investigation

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could not deal with that attack in any

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other way except by killing the person

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they were interviewing it's all very

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very strange and the other thing you see

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is that

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crime scene photos actually show

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the only substantial blood nowhere near

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where he was being interrogated but

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rather by the door leading from the

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hallway out of the apartment from which

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we conclude the possibility that he

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actually was shot while trying to escape

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uh and the other thing that's very very

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interesting is that um uh that the

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stories of him attacking have changed uh

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and also very strangely you know the fbi

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is is perhaps the only law enforcement

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agency that does not uh tape confessions

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and they say that he had just confessed

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before he attacked them

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which is so strange and they say that

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then he attacked them then they had to

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kill him right and here's even more

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interesting the fbi because they do not

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tape these things they always have to

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have two fbi agents in the room one of

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them does the interrogation the other of

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whom uh records it uh

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with with paper and pen

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but the other agent was out of the room

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by chance and so we have essentially no

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documentation of any of this

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unbelievable this is keystone cops uh

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stuff it's extraordinary that uh an

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educated sophisticated public like the

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united states public uh chooses to

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believe that story but of course

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they believe it because the alternative

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is worse

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the alternative is that these two guys

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did not commit this act of mass murder

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and that therefore someone else must

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have who might that have been well a lot

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of things are possible it's possible

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that they were involved in something

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we know that the fbi has very

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reluctantly admitted to knowing this

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family and interacting with the tsarnaev

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family several years before this

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incident that's absolutely key the fact

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that the establishment media is not

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focusing on the prior relationship

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between

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law enforcement and these people

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is absolutely staggering because we know

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historically that particularly the fbi

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has a long history of working with

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informants and even provocateurs

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inside radical and extreme movements and

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separating out their sort of

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investigative role from their role in

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tacitly or otherwise encouraging

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this kind of behavior that then they

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sweep in and and and

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resolve is uh is is something that needs

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to be looked at

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the snowden revelations and the

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reverberations over here

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where it was revealed but only if you

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read the guardian not if you read

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anything or watched anything else

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the heavy lifting being done by the

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british security services in conjunction

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with the nsa in the united states

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all seem to point to a security state

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which is out of democratic control

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not subject to public scrutiny because

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the media is merely an echo chamber of

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what that security state is telling them

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that's a very dangerous set of

570
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coordinates don't you think it's

571
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tremendously dangerous and i think it's

572
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becoming more dangerous by the year and

573
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even by the month we see new measures

574
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being incorporated all the time uh and

575
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and one of the things that troubles me

576
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is the lack of accountability in the

577
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united states we have minimal

578
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accountability here in the uk you have

579
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almost none at all uh they're uh people

580
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like yourself and other people in

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parliament have told me that they really

582
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have very little ability to ask

583
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questions and find out what really is

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going on uh and that is dangerous and

585
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that is i think inappropriate in a

586
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democracy who what why dot com more

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power to your elbow ross baker thanks

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for joining us

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and now it's your turn to tell us what

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you think in the social media roundup

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what's rattling gayatri well i asked

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aragon victor or a villain

593
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to its clairop response when you start

594
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trying to censor the internet then

595
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you're on the way out and he will be

596
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gone soon

597
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sarp ullas adds to that saying that it's

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odd that the voting fraud which may have

599
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changed results in three cities isn't

600
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making any headway or international

601
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media well there was an allegation of uh

602
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voting fraud i don't myself think it has

603
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all that much traction and neither i

604
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should say did our uh um

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guest the editor of a very well

606
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respected online newspaper

607
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uh so

608
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there may have been there always is in

609
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every election some voting fraud but i

610
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don't think there's any serious reason

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to doubt that erdogan has 45 percent of

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the polity in turkey which is a very

613
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impressive number

614
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but it's not the magic number

615
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uh even of 51 percent and as president

616
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morsi found out even 51 isn't enough

617
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well most are associated associating him

618
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more to the villain guillermet says that

619
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he's even a terrorist by association and

620
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i think we understand what he means with

621
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that well uh david cameron has just

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announced an investigation in britain

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into the muslim brotherhood

624
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and their potential for terrorism which

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is actually absurd

626
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it's absurd to call erdogan a terrorist

627
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but if david cameron saying the muslim

628
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brotherhood may be terrorists then if so

629
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facto erdogan may be a terrorist because

630
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he is no more and no less than the

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leader of the turkish chapter of the

632
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muslim brotherhood you think that

633
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association i was thinking about the

634
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association with supporting the

635
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terrorists in syria oh that's no doubt

636
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but then by that uh definition david

637
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cameron is a terrorist william yeah yeah

638
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yeah there are all sheth

639
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says that he's actually a victor turned

640
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into a villain and that's i think is a

641
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more appropriate

642
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description

643
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that's kind of my uh analysis i was uh

644
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he's tripled the size of the economy in

645
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ten years he has uh liberated

646
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muslim women from totally oppressive and

647
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:54,400
unjustifiable imposed secular laws yeah

648
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i thought he was doing terrifically well

649
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until he turned into a villain

650
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the syrian embrolio when i saw his

651
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comments after his victory i thought

652
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they were very very unwise

653
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even

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a juvenile politician here knows that

655
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when you win an election you really have

656
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to be magnanimous to those you've just

657
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humble right yeah to come to the

658
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microphone and threaten

659
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all sorts of dreadful consequences

660
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for those who had the temerity to oppose

661
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you

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very bad politics well that's all we

663
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have for this week which sadly means

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that's the end of the show remember you

665
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can reach us on twitter at rt

666
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667
00:25:35,279 --> 00:25:40,000
can like us on sputnik on russia today

668
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it's goodbye from me gayatri and from me

669
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george galloway it's been marvelous