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welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world

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with me George Galloway and me gatri

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this is where we cover the stories that

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made it into the news and those that

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didn't but should have it's news from

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elsewhere and from a different point of

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view it's not often I can squeeze in a

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guest fresh from her encounter with the

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Archbishop of can

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and on her way to the airport for an

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audience in Rome with his Holiness the

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pope but it's good she may be smelling

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of incense today but it's the rather

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more sulfurous whiff of the close

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proximity of high explosives that she's

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used to she's mother Agnes Mariam of the

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Cross of the dicese of HS hamama and

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yabu in the Syrian Arab Republic here on

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what has suddenly become a controversial

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tour of Britain you'd think the British

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anti-war movement would be interested in

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hearing what what a representative of

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Syria's Christian communities has to say

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about the us-backed so-called Rebels and

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their beheading ways but alas her

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scheduled appearance in today's stop

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thewar Coalition International Peace

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conference was scuppered by liberals who

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don't much care to hear from a woman

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with an actual firsthand account no

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apparently they prefer to hear only from

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other armchair activists who've gained

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their opinion from the Evening News

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Mother Agnes may have been denied the

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right to speak at to stop the war

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Coalition but she'll reach a much bigger

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audience here on Sputnik we'll be

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talking to her in the second half of the

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show this month in

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1979 hundreds of Iranian militants

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stormed the US Embassy in tan taking

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hostage those inside whom they described

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as a nest of spies sparking a long cold

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war between the Islamic Republic and the

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West punctuated by Hot War Slaughter by

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proxy in the Iraq Iran War and directly

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by the shooting down of an Iranian

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airliner by the US warship vincens not

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so long ago by which I mean weeks not

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months it looked like war war was

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imminent but as Mr Churchill said jaw

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jaw is usually preferable and lo and

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behold peace is breaking out at least on

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the international level in both Syria

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and Iran the nuclear deal sealed with

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retweets hugs and kisses well the

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Iranians don't do hugs and kisses but

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you know what I mean in Geneva this week

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is a Triumph for diplomacy and a defeat

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for the dogs of war how's it going down

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grie president Rohan who has an own

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Twitter account he yes and he's very

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active on it extraord he he this week uh

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on the day of the deal um said that the

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agreement in Geneva is a very positive

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First Step but the journey before us is

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long who knew a president on a president

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of Iran online on Twitter indeed indeed

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and so active it's fantastic he's got a

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lot of followers on it as well uh this

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week Ras and also came with a survey

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among Americans about how they feel

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about the Iran peace talks and 44% of

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them support the interim peace deal

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between Iran and the six big Powers 22%

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however oppose it just 50% however says

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that us should use its military power to

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defent Israel against 50% well that

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would have been 100% just a few decades

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ago if you calibrate the effort that the

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Israel Lobby makes in the United States

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to absolutely control the political

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system and the money that they spend on

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it but they only have 50% of the support

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of the public now you took the camera

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what the public thought about the fact

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that peace is breaking out everywhere

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how did that go well everybody's of

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course very very positive about it

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everybody wants peace there were some

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some who were a bit skeptic or maybe

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critical about the actual peace

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agreement what's in it but

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overwhelmingly they're welcoming it of

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good you know you want to have peace

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around the world I mean you don't want

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any threat of nuclear bomb going off

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really anytime so the less bombs the

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better there only the Israelis think

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they haven't and they have a vested

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interest in keeping the West at odds

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with uh Iran America and Israel work

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womb yeah so when one is doing something

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and the other is there are they playing

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good cup back cup people who don't have

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a stake in um uh in um um in the risks

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involved are able to create the peace

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treaty and the people um who are local

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understand the major risk involved I

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think to trust the Iranians is a

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terrible mistake I think anybody that

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stands up against imperialism that

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stands against people that try and take

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your Independence away and anybody that

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stands up for their own independence

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my first guest John White is a novelist

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a writer and an analyst he's also been

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the most stalwart defender of mother

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Agnes Mariam of the cross's right to be

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heard in Britain during her tour and

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he's joining us now for the first time

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on Sputnik John thanks very much uh for

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coming on the show tell us first of all

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how did it come to pass that someone

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with firsthand evidence of what's

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happening in Syria is effectively

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blackballed from the stop the war

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International Peace conference this

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unfortunately was the doing of a couple

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of liberal commentators who are also

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delegates at this conference who still

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believe for some strange reason that

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there is actually a revolution taking

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place in Libya and sorry in Syria and

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believe that you can have a situation

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where you're against Western

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intervention and against the presentent

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Syrian government but who else is going

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to stop these barbarians unless it's the

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Syrian government I don't know if these

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liberal commentators have 30 divisions

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of armed troops up their sleeve to take

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to the conflict but if they don't then

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that's a non-pos and it's actually

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disgraceful given the position of this

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country with Vis V Libya and Visa Iraq

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they've not learned from history now

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there seems to be a complete about face

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almost at war with Syria and thus by

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extension Iran MH now we're headed for

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Geneva 2 in Geneva on the Syrian track

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and we've done a deal on the nuclear

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question with Iran how do we get to this

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stage well this is due to two things

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people in the syan Arab Army standing by

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their government against what is an

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invasion it's not R it's an invasion of

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their of foreign uh jihadists extremists

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religious obscurantist and barbarians

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and it's also British public opinion if

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you recall you were part of that I know

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the moment's vote taken in the

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parliament where the British public

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opinion drove our politicians for once

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to find a spine to find the guts to stay

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the hand of the British government and

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that was a very seminal moment in our

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history and comparisons have been drawn

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quite rightly I think with the momentous

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Norway debate that turned the course of

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the second world war this is 1940 where

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uh Chamberlain fell and was replaced by

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Mr churo absolutely after the invasion

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of Norway and Britain's we might have

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been conducting this conversation in

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German if that debate had not happened

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but for the people of the Middle East

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this is equally as momentous because

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they they are facing a a turning point

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in their history is this country is

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Syria going to be turned into a

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graveyard for minorities Muslim and

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non-muslim or is it going to remain a

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multi- language multiethnic

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multi-religious secular modern state

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which the overriding identity that joins

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syrians together is Arab not religion

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not sectarianism so these are the stakes

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involved and this is why when the

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Western powers are entering into Geneva

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to in January they're doing so from a

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position of weakness their first option

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was to topple Assad through their

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proxies among the so-called opposition

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the second option was to enter peace

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talks but Assad would have to go he

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would have to resign why should he

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resign the Syrian Army have bled for

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this man for two and a half years the

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Syrian people have suffered and stood by

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their government for two and a half

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years so it's a question of national

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sovereignty it's a question of dignity

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and so it's encouraging that the Western

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powers are entering these talks however

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practitioner in the field I'm not entire

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sure why they have apparently taken this

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big step back I won't call it a

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capitulation because they're still

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causing real trouble in Syria and

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they're still capable of causing real

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trouble for Iran but it's a very big

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step backwards for them does it reflect

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the weakness of the political class on

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both sides of the Atlantic it does yes

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especially the Obama Administration the

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Western Powers understand the character

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of the opposition they know that they

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can no longer uh be seen to even hint at

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any support of these 7th Century

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barbarians the same ideology responsible

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for 9/11 the 77 bomb in London the

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Madrid bomb the murder of Lee Rigby most

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recently in London we were going to join

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forces with that ideology in effect and

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so people could see that and there's an

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old saying fool me once shame on you

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fool me twice shame on me and these

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people will not be Fooled Again will it

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be sabotaged it has two major uh

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opponents in the region Israel and Saudi

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Arabia the medieval despotism linked up

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with the so-called only democracy in the

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Middle East this is an Unholy Alliance

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to be sure but it's an alliance with a

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lot of powerful friends and in the Saudi

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case a lot of money yes are they capable

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of sabotaging the peace track they're

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certainly capable of trying their damers

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to do so uh and they are trying but

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they're becoming increasingly isolated

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not just regionally but in the whole

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world we've got Benjamin yeyahu he's

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been like Doctor Strange Love on

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steroids over the past week the way that

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he's tried to know this is a historic

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mistake and so on all this apocalyptic

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language and rani's been the Exemplar of

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rational and diplomacy and you know

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flagma ISM but you you you encountered a

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lot of English people in London saying

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to hang with Israel's objections why

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don't we start acting in the interest of

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ourselves and everybody else in future

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and the people suffering of course the

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actual s sanctions people are tired

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people are seeing the real face of

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Israel you know yes but the one thing

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that the people were very critical about

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is um they're wondering why um why isra

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why the US is now making such a deal

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what what what what's behind it why

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they're why it seems like they're

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betraying their friend Israel and Saudi

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Arabia for that matter well I think the

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US requires stability in the region and

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its first option was to forment Regional

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hegemony uh this was part of a long

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process after 911 that's failed that's

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crashed on the rocks of Syria and nasan

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Hassan Nala the leader of hisbah rightly

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described Iran Syria and hisbah is

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constituting an axis of resistance so

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Israel's interests are regionally in

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order to weaken and neuter Iran for its

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own Regional hegemonic purposes but what

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we have to understand is Iran has never

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occupied another country in the region

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it's never initiated military conflict

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and it doesn't have nuclear weapons well

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Israel is guilty of all three so what is

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the cause of instability in the region

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it does need take a genius to work it

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out and so I think American public

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opinion has significantly shifted with

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regard to Israel uh especially read a

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statistic earlier which was amazing 50%

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just not even a majority exactly half of

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Americans think that America should

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continue to guarantee the security of

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Israel this is but the dog that is

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embarking there is the other 50% and

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Once Upon a Time in recent memory almost

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all Americans would have uh pledged

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their Troth to the defense of Israel's

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security so the world's falling out of

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love with Israel and never has been in

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love with Saudi Arabia yes so they've

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got an uphill battle if they want to

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persuade people to Scupper this deal

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John White thanks very much for joining

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us on Sputnik stay with us we'll be

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right back with an interview with the

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aforementioned Mother

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Superior welcome back to Sputnik in

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January some of the Waring parties in

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Syria will sit down around a negotiating

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table in Geneva after the success of the

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Iran deal can we look forward to peace

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and Reconciliation in Syria you were out

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in the Streets of London gatri was there

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optimism abroad about that Prospect well

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where there is a way out diplomatically

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people will always prefer that rather

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than the military way joj rather than

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war war as Mr Churchill famously said

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but the skepticism of the British media

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remains High I they have developed a

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kind of

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ogre demonic figure in the current

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government of Syria it's difficult for

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them to climb down well the people

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believe differently so let's have a look

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as you well know the main media yeah has

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been just feeding things out there for

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people you know to take you know without

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thinking about it yeah and that's what

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we're being fed but there's a lot more

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going on there than we realize that's

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that's far too sectarian now this there

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alqaeda there's everybody in there

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pretending to be opponents of the

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government I think what Obama has done

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basically is retreated from the world I

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think he's basically um abdicated any

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leadership position and um um I don't

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want to insult any Brits by saying this

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but I think that uh he's Neville

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Chamberlain number

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two my next guest is mother Agnes Mariam

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of the Cross of the dicese of HS hamama

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and yabu a very very honored guest

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mother Agnes thank you for joining us on

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thank you both of our parts we're

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honored to have you here it's a pleasure

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now you are one of the leading voices

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standing up for Unity and Reconciliation

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and peace in Syria you are one of the

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great Defenders of the once cherished

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Christian Community in Syria where it

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was the safest place to be a Christian

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in the whole Arab world and is now

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practically hell on Earth tell us please

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from your standpoint as someone who's

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been living through all of this exactly

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what the situation is for Christians in

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Syria well uh all the fears in the

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beginning uh are becoming uh incarnated

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in the

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reality uh we have now a succession of

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invasion real Invasion on Christian

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stronghold historical also stronghold

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like

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mahula uh sadad

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K neek and yesterday I heard about s NAA

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uh is it a religious War I don't think

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is it a Christian persecution I don't

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think I think that uh those who are

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engineering uh the events in Syria wants

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to give a

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justification for the systematic

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destruction of the Syrian State and the

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dismantling of the Syrian uh Syrian

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social tissue uh because they have very

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wide objectives and the Christians the

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religious component the what is more

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precisely extremist religious extremism

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is it tool a war tool indeed but the

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Fanatics are not just targeting

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Christians no they're they're targeting

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other Muslim uh sects and also those in

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their own sect who don't agree with

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their medieval obscurantist Savage

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interpretation uh of Islam exactly and

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so almost everyone is an enemy except

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those who agree with their very narrow

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interpretation

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yes it's an

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exclusivist extremist

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fanatic uh facade of an ongoing violence

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to destroy the Syrian State indeed and

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though Christians have always had this

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honored special place in Syrian

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Society now what do you think your

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Muslim neighbors imagine when they see

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statues of the Virgin being willfully

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smashed churches being sacked uh the

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black flag of al-Qaeda being placed in

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the uh in the place of the Cross do you

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feel a sense of solidarity from the

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Muslim neighbors of course uh our uh Co

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coexistence our conviviality with Islam

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uh is

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historical uh the Arabic Christian open

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their doors uh to uh the new uh Islamic

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Fighters coming from

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Arabia they opened their door because

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there was no difference on a cultural

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basis and they they took their distance

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from the Byzantine

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Empire then so we were living together

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with the same culture with the same

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values and uh if you put out the

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politics there is no problem between all

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the component of the very precious and

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diverse social tissue in Syria and in

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the Levant now the what is targeted is

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not only Christian it's the

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civilization and like this you have

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mosques that are destroyed you have drw

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shrines that are destroyed you have

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sufis shrines and you have synagogues

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that are destroyed among them the oldest

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one in the world the jobar synagogue

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that goes be that goes until the

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solomonian time so it is a threat again

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against civilization and we are back to

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the Barbarian era it has failed though

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hasn't it the just a few weeks ago in

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Parliament which is my other job yes uh

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was part of the decisive majority which

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stopped Britain actually attacking Syria

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in conjunction with the United States

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and by so doing stopped the United

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States from attacking and now as you saw

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on the Vox pops on the screen we're

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talking about talks now in January this

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is a transformation almost a miracle of

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the uh situation that existed only a few

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weeks ago couple of months ago at

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most this sense of failure is it likely

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to make these Fanatics more barbaric or

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will they begin now to withdraw from the

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country will they begin to seek some

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kind of accommodation with the

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government in the

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maskus I think first that I have to

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thank the British House of common for

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its historical and prophetic vote uh

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that has made a turning point in the

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history uh toward peace and uh it uh it

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is expressing the position of the uh uh

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British public opinion second because of

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this vote as you said it's the it was

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the Congress who also adopted the same

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policy and we have a big door open

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toward a peaceful and a nonviolent uh

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settlement of the Syrian crisis today

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what we see in Syria is contrary is

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completely the contrary uh

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reaction they want to make points to

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register points and so there is a

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terrible uh recrudescence of violence

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everywhere you have heard about uh blind

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shelling on civilian populations on

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children on school bus schools on

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professors uh in Damascus in hes every

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day we have uh news about slaughtering

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people uh this blind violence uh seeks

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uh to register point for uh negotiation

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but they are really showing the real

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face uh of the ongoing uh violence and I

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really make here an appeal to all those

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who stand behind uh those foreign

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Fighters please for the sake of humanity

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stop the fueling of such means you will

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not gain anything you will uh uh at the

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end the history will judge you the

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response on the street was pretty

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overwhelming that we don't want war gri

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no they don't they're very tired of it

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they in the back of their mind they

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still have the Iraq and Afghani War yes

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so they're quite pronounced about the

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Syrian War don't want it you don't want

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well the last person I think from United

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State had another opinion I am I am

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happy that it's not the majority

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uh they seek war for power and it seems

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that war will give uh to United States

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its predominant role I think exactly the

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contrary uh it's sponsoring and being

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the mentor of peace talks that bring

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President Obama to a pre proeminent role

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in the

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uh International scene just briefly we

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only have a few seconds left are you

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optimistic about the neg Neo iations in

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January I will be optimistic if the

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people who will be there will be

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representative of the syan opposition uh

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what I see is that the Syrian opposition

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today you know that is fragmented so

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it's not representative moreover those

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who are presented as the sole

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representative of the Syrian people uh

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do not have any grass rooted

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representation they are out of Syria

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since 30 years we want the internal

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opposition that is nonviolent and that

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is representative of the majority of the

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opposition in Syria to be represented

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mother Agnes we must all pray for that

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thank you very much indeed for joining

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us on

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sput now this is the part of the show

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where we listen to the world you through

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our Twitter portal gri how's Sputnik

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going down in the Twitter sphere well

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well unlike the positivity that I

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received on the streets about the peace

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talks the people on Twitter were a bit

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more skeptical about especially the Iran

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deal Lana Del was a grossly unfair deal

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but the only way they could ease

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sanctions Iran shouldn't have to plead

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to the US for basic rights I don't think

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Iran has been pleading for basic rights

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I think Iran has protected and defended

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its in alienable right to have a nuclear

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energy program uh it's expressed in a

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sweeter way through president Rohani who

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we now know has a Twitter account uh but

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I don't think that Iran has sacrificed

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its essential rights well I think I

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agree with you because on the street I

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was speaking to a number of Iranians and

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they all hold on to their dignity they

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all said yeah we the sanctions we have

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suffered under sanction but we still

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Prosper yeah in in our own way and we

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didn't go on our knees to to get the

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deal Iran hasn't surrendered it's the

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Western powers that have surrendered

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after all regime change in Iran was

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their actual goal nothing to do with

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nuclear energy about Syria Tony Hugh

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says that the war in Syria will end when

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the takfir come and pay masters realize

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it's over for them they'll move out and

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I'm I'm concerned about legitimate

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protest offic yeah and of course some of

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them will come back to countries like

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ours and yours uh in the Netherlands uh

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and wreak havoc there if they can it's

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what happens when you when when Dr

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Frankenstein built a monster he didn't

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realize that it's called a monster for a

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reason it's soon out of control well

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unfortunately that's all we've got time

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for I hope you enjoyed Sputnik as much

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as we enjoyed making it please do keep

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supplying us with your tweets and your

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thoughts at rtor Sputnik that's it for

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me gatri and from me George Galloway

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it's been marvelous

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[Music]

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oh