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Welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world

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with me George Galloway and me Joseph

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Hyatt Guyatri is insisting on some

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maternity leave. Thanks by the way for

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all the good wishes and mother and baby

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are doing well. So young Joseph here one

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of my brightest proteges is standing in.

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The Freedom of Speech Brigade are out in

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force trying to bludgeon RT into

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accepting their anti-Russian Cold War

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crusade narrative over Ukraine. The old

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two-week historical memory is back.

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Forgotten is the fact that Kiev is now

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ruled by a government which came to

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power as a result of a violent western

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back coup against the former elected

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government. forgotten to is the fact

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that 49% of Ukraine's population who

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speak Russian have refused to accept

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this coup and have risen up against it.

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Nowhere mentioned is the fact that the

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Kiev regime promptly began an aerial

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bombardment of their own people which is

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usually a Q card for demands for Western

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intervention. Malaysian Airlines Flight

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17 was cleared by Euro control to route

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over the war zone where several aircraft

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had already been shot down by the anti-

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Kiev rebels. Ukrainian air traffic

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control kept the aircraft flying at

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33,000 ft over an area many other

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airlines like Quantis and Cafe Pacific

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were refusing to fly over at all. It

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came down with the loss of all 298

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people on board and nobody nobody knows

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yet what happened to it, nor the

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previous Malaysian airline flight 379. a

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few months ago. Joining us now to

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discuss the tragedy and the context in

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which it must be set is our own Ukraine

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expert, writer, and broadcaster Neil

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Clark. Neil, thanks for joining us. It

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seems that for some on the right, the

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Russophobic right in Britain, you're not

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allowed even to question this narrative.

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I was asked to go on RT shortly after

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the news broke last Thursday about the

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tragic crash. And I was on about an hour

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afterwards. And I uh was asked what you

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know what I thought was responsible,

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what I thought had happened. And I said,

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of course, it's too early to say. We we

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we need we didn't know whether it was

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connected to events on the ground in

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Ukraine. We should keep an open mind.

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And I said we should stay calm and stay

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and stay forensic about our approach.

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And yet having said that, I then go on

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to Twitter and find I got a, you know,

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enormous abuse from trolls on Twitter

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accusing me of supporting the plane

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being shot down, of being a Putin

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apologist, a contemptable Stalinist. All

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this abuse I got simply by not because I

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didn't go on television and say it was

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President Putin's fault. President Putin

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shot this plane down. These people found

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Russia guilty of a crime that the US

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intelligence service has now exculpated

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Russia from. Yeah.

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uh before the bodies of these poor

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victims were even called. Absolutely.

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don't even have to say, "Oh, yes, it was

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the Ukrainian government did this or it

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was the US that did this or whatever."

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All you have to do is say, "Let let's

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stay calm and and and let's take and

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examine all the uh possibilities." No,

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you've got to come out there by order of

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the free speech brigade to go out there

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and say it was Russia. 100% Russia's

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fault. Well, one theory is that the

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rebels shot it down. Second theory is

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that the Ukrainian government shot it

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down. Uh the United States intelligence

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has said there's no evidence of any

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Russian involvement in the shooting down

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uh of the airplane. Uh but there's new

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satellite images of two Ukrainian Air

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airplane very shortly before the crash.

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absolutely. We've seen the evidence of

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this and Ukraine hasn't come up with an

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explanation for this at all. And uh in

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the British media there's been very

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little coverage of this, very little

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coverage of any alternative theories and

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Ukraine has got a lot of explaining to

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do. There's a lot of questions. For

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example, the air traffic control

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records. We want to see them. They

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destroyed. And if so, that's quite

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extraordinary that the Ukrainian

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authorities would do that. And why were

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Ukrainian jets flying close to this

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airliner? My theory was this. I thought

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it had been debunked uh very quickly,

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but it's back now on the table. I

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believe the first Malaysian airliner was

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the victim of a terrorist attack. So,

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might the second Malaysian airliner have

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been the victim of a terrorist attack?

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evidence of shrapnel damage on the cargo

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door of the fuselage of the aircraft

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which would point in the direction of a

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bomb in the cargo hold which brought the

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airliner uh down. This too is a

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potential explanation. Absolutely. And

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it seems we're not allowed to focus on

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the fact the very strange fact that two

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Malaysian airliners have come down in a

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very short space of time. And Malaysia

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is an independent country. George, an

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independently minded country that's got

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some powerful enemies. Uh we know that

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Bush and Blair were found guilty in the

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Malaysian court of war crimes. Malaysia

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plows its own plows its own furrow. And

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so it's again a perfectly plausible

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explanation that the Malaysian Airlines

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has been targeted in this way through a

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bomb. Put this in context now. Uh here

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we have a raging war going on in the

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east of Ukraine. I mean uh two Ukrainian

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since the plane crash.

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uh bodies lying all over the streets,

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not only unburied but uncollected as a

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government backed by the west massacres

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its own people by bombs from airplanes.

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the very thing that we joined the attack

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on Libya quite for the possibility of

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that happening and here it is happening

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in fact in Ukraine and the usual liberal

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left humanitarian hawks are silent and

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of course the the other contrast is with

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the situation in Gaza at the moment

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because yes 298 people lost their lives

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on the plane. It was a terrible tragic

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incident but over 700 Palestinians have

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been killed in Gaza this week George or

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in the last couple of weeks most of them

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women and children. most of them women

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and children. And yet, while Russia is

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being held guilty for the shooting down

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of the plane or or the crash of the

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plane without evidence, Israel is being

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held innocent by the Western elite for

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the crimes that is directly committing

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uh in Gaza live on television. Live on

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television. So, the double standards

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surrounding this whole incident are

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absolutely outrageous. So, how's the war

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in Ukraine playing out and what's going

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to happen? Well, what's happening is

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that President Porhenko has been given

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the green light by his US sponsors to

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murder and massacre civilians in the

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east of Ukraine. And uh I'm afraid

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unless the US changes its policy, this

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is only going to continue. They've even

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been killing people very close to uh the

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the flight crash zone this week. So uh

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Washington. We know that uh United

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States has created this this crisis in

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Ukraine, the civil war. They wanted to

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get back at Russia for thwarting its

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plans uh to topple the Syrian government

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and this Ukraine is the battlefield and

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United States uh really is responsible

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for this and the EU as well and it will

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only continue uh it will it will

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continue so long as the US wants it to

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continue and uh it's a tragedy that's

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not being reported uh if there's

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something happen anywhere else in Europe

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when you've got a government in Europe

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that is murdering that is it's

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massacring its own people hundreds of

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its own people air strikes and as you

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Gaddafi on the basis that he might be

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about to massacre people. Here, people

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are being massacred and we're doing

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nothing. What about the uh prospects?

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Can the Kiev government prevail? Will

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they eventually overpower overwhelm the

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rebels? I don't think they will because

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I think we've got to understand the real

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hatred now in the east towards this

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government. An understandable hatred

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because the people in the east wanted uh

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federal solution. And Porhenko since

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he's come in, he launched the offensive

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at the beginning of July, it's been a

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brutal offensive. And if you bomb

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people, uh if you destroy their homes,

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if you kill civilians, then this only

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makes the people more angry obviously

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and it puts peace much further back as

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citizens of Gaza. So I don't think they

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will prevail because I think the people

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in the east are determined not to give

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in here. and Porrohenko uh doesn't

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control uh most of his country or large

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chunks of his country and he shouldn't

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be allowed to win really George because

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fascism we can't sit back and allow this

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regime to win in Ukraine this is a very

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important uh he himself a fascist no

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he's not himself a fascist but he's come

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to power with the help of fascists he's

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got fascist in his government it's very

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hard to get clarity on this story isn't

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there I mean most of the you know aside

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from RT the only real resource I've

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managed to find is from from the

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aviation herald from aviation expert you

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know sites and enthusiasts because it's

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just simply you know, clarity. I mean,

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there's reports that the aircraft early

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in the week potentially was being

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followed by Sukoy Su25 Ukrainian Air

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Force jets, but then there's reports

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come from the Russian site suggesting

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that uh these aircraft couldn't possibly

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have a service ceiling of altitude to

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fly with that aircraft equipped with

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weapons. Um but of course what we are

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seeing as well on on social media aren't

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we is is perhaps the speculation that

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there could be and I mean these are only

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speculative thoughts uh another party

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involved in this process perhaps nothing

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to do with the actual region as a kind

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of spotlight away from the situation in

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Gaza. Is that plausible? Yes, I think

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so. Definitely. I I think that this is

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this is obviously what what we've got

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here is a massive uh geopolitical

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incident here. It's being exploited by

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people. We know that uh the western

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elites are violently anti-Russian and

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anti-Putin and they want the general

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public to be anti-Putin as well and

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anti-Russian and it hasn't worked up to

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the program that this sort of

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phenomenon and so what we're seeing is

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exploitation of this tragedy to pursue a

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existing anti-Russian uh agenda. And as

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you said we could have evidence we could

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be that other state state actors were

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involved in this. We don't know yet.

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There's certainly been beneficiaries. I

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mean obviously uh uh the timing of it

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was very beneficial to Israel because

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the very night that this happened Israel

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launched its grand offensive in Gaza and

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uh so that uh we need to look at the

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bigger picture here. There are a lot of

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people who have gained by this tragedy,

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unfortunately. And the al-Qaeda ISIS

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phenomena, these are also potential

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suspects because they don't like the

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Malaysian government

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and uh the

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extremist uh factions around al-Qaeda,

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splitting off from al-Qaeda and so on,

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may well have uh been responsible for

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other very recent aviation disasters. We

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wait more evidence on that. Final word,

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Neil. You say it's not working. Uh RT's

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numbers are continuing to grow despite

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all the propaganda. Maybe maybe that's

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why the propaganda is there. Do you

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think they're going to succeed in

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turning the British people against

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Russia? I don't think so. Because I

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think it was interesting last weekend

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when this Russophobia was at its peak in

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the media, wasn't it? All these

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headlines about Putin's missile, Putin's

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kill my children, etc. that millions of

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people were marching around the world

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for Gaza. And this shows to me the

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disconnect between the elite and the

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people. The people are outraged about

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Gaza because they see Israeli war crimes

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before their very eyes and the whole

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injustice of the whole thing. Whereas

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with Russia, they can see, I think many

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people can see through this now. They

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know that the Western elites want us to

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hate Putin. It's so obvious. It's so

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transparent their agenda. Thanks very

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much indeed for enlightening us. Coming

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up after the break, it's all over.

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bother shouting about Brazil's miserable

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performance. That is the World Cup has

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come and gone. So, what's next for the

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emerging political and economic behemoth

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Brazil? We'll be right back.

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Welcome back to Sputnik. Many billions

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of dollars were expended by Brazil on

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the recent World Cup. By popular

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acclaim, the best World Cup in decades.

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The bill might not have made so many

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Brazilian eyes water, however, if the

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home team's performances hadn't been so

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melancholy. Brazilian football, on this

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evidence, is a mere shadow of its former

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self. But Brazil itself has never been

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stronger, more influential, and more

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prosperous. Even before the tournament

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began, there were signs of an unease

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amongst the people, the South American

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giant. Strikes, demonstrations, and a

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renewed focus on the mal distribution of

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Brazil's great wealth where and now are

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more and more evident. Joining us now to

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discuss what's next for Brazil is Marcio

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Delgado, a considerable expert and a

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Brazilian. I I don't want a promise to

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make you cry, but it it was a fantastic

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World Cup, but the Brazilian team were

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the worst Brazilian team in living

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memory. It is true. Um as a Brazilian

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myself, a mysterious shock, especially

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after the last match against Germany, I

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think was a shock for everyone. Even my

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even the German friends. Yes. They they

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they could not believe were too many in

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too little time like which after 20

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minutes would be difficult even to 20

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minutes to get finished. Exactly. It was

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very very hard. So is incredible for all

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the wrong reasons I would say but yeah

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well I mean it must make the bill which

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is I think 11 billion dollar uh all the

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harder to swallow for the Brazilian

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people. It is especially because as um

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we're gonna have election this year. So

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is everything is a controversial right

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now what to do uh with such money that

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has been invested in 12 different states

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where they've been kind of hosting the

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games. So and we have those big uh white

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elephant and what to do with those you

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don't have like a proper project and

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because of the elections everyone is

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kind of thinking about how can I get

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reelected or how can I get into the

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politics and really it's no longer like

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a big priority in terms of let's look

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back what we've done wrong and let's do

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something with the legacy in terms of uh

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physical buildings. Well, everyone who's

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ever hosted an Olympic games or a winter

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Olympic games, I don't know about Soi,

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the last one, but almost everyone who's

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ever hosted one of these big

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tournaments, complains for many decades

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afterwards about the white elephants

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that have been left behind. Now, is this

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likely to cost the Brazilian president

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her seat?

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That's a good question. And she's not as

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popular right now as the former

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president that we used to have Lula that

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he was reelected twice and and he was

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very popular. Uh but she kind she tries

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to go into his footsteps and do

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something and was very well received the

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World Cup even with all the troubles

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that we had in terms of money the costs.

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I think happened a lot something that

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happened here as well 2012 with the

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Olympics. The Brazilian they complained

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a lot but as it got closer people start

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to warm up to it. People start to come

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together and they were really happy as

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well because around the world everyone

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was talk so many good things about

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Brazil and that has been one amazing

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World Cup. So yes for her that was a

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very very good kind of business card. Uh

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but there are other candidates as well

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in Brazil and they are using the things

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that didn't go that well including the

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moot million price of event like that

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against the her. So it's really a

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controversial now and they are using as

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I just said before the fact of what to

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do now with those big big

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white elephants there and there is no

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concrete project there. The London

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Olympics was a huge success for the

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people who organized it. It was Mr.

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Blair's Labor government that won them

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and piloted most actually of the pre

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Olympic period and then the

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Conservatives were in power when the

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tournament actually happened. So there

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was no possibility of one side attacking

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the other. But that's not the case I

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think in Brazil which indicates an

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underlying issue. Uh there is what

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Joseph I think said in the introduction

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an unease a malaise to some extent in

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Brazil. It's never been richer. It's

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never been more powerful never been more

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influential but it's not really a

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country at ease with itself. Why is

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that? I think the gap the social gaps

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that we have there they are huge and we

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are really talk about uh it's so big

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that's difficult to even to picture in

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real life something like a film. You

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have those houses and we you have like

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TV presenters getting paid like uh

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around um 1 million pound per month and

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it's 1 million pounds per month. It's

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like3 million. I should move to Brazil.

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You should move there. Well, we got you

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have to get on with the language of

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course with how is it your Portuguese?

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Not too bad. And then they they have

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they even cannot drive uh they have

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their own helicopter to get then from A

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to B even the students in the same city

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and these favllas just behind it and

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they really in a very bad condition they

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have to make with a few dollars per day

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if you just convert the the national

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currency in terms of salaries. So I

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think that makes the whole thing so

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controversial, so difficult because the

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gap is not like you have like a little

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bit different someone that has a bit

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more of money, someone that doesn't have

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as much. And I've heard reports

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obviously that contraband is obviously

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quite cheap as well. Is that correct?

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Yes. On the and readily available. Yeah.

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Yes. On the H3s and they kind of uh

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throughout the World Cup they were

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working hard to kind of stop it

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especially because the whole media was

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looking to Brazil. uh but you can buy

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anything on the streets there in terms

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of uh fixed products and things like

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that. Is crime crime is a real uh issue

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as a result of economic uh inequalities.

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Yeah. And I think uh that was the the

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thing that everyone was most scared of.

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I mean myself as a Brazilian as someone

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that lives overseas and there all the

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time as well and the politicians because

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that was the big thing that had to be

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tackled some somehow because is well

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know of course we always have to bring

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it into context sometimes you see

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something on TV about Brazil

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a shooting or something like that is a

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isolate area specific that it happened

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we are talking about a country with 200

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million people so it's a massive country

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and sometimes something happen in one

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specific place Rio S. that are massive

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cities and it just get blown out of

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proportion in terms of media because it

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sells. What's the balance between uh

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rich and poor? I mean are we talking 1%

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99% is there a middle class? There is a

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middle class now after those two

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government Lula and now Duma there are

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lots of social project and as we said at

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the beginning uh the economy is kind of

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warming up the Brazil is coming out of

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the shell finally uh since I was a kid I

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was growing and listening to the fact

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the Brazil is the country of the future

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and the future kind took quite a while

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to arrive but there is a a massive gap

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of it with probably 1% And then 99%

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divided between the two. The middle the

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middle class. The middle class basically

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are the ones that would be work for the

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government or public uh sector because

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those are the ones that you have to go

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and to compete against lots of other

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people as well. And you have that

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stability. You cannot be sucked. So it's

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not only about the money, but it's about

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something as well. Security is a

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security that you have. Then you can get

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a a nicer house. you can get a better

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mortgage and and so on. So, and then you

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move up. And what about politically? Um,

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no sooner had the World Cup uh gone uh

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but a big political summit took place.

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All the world leaders uh headed for uh

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for Brazil. Uh is are is the Brazilian

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population glad that Brazil is now

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talked about as a big power in the

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world? It is. I don't think that they

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fully understand and especially if you

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bring it towards polit politics even

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there you have to go and you have to

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vote it's like it's kind of um you

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cannot choose not to go and vote you

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have to do it on the day otherwise you

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pay a a fine something like that but in

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terms of the projection that people are

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aware of is much more when they talk

541
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about the tourism or now the world cup

542
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but we don't have world cup every every

543
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:13,280
year or so people are not really aware

544
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ware of um that connection of how Brazil

545
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is coming really they're not aware of

546
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,840
their own countries when you're there

547
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:22,480
it's difficult to see the whole picture

548
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because you just see the transport that

549
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:26,720
is is still very bad the public

550
00:21:24,559 --> 00:21:29,520
transport you see the education the

551
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:31,679
hospitals that you have big cues to to

552
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:33,120
get to the hospital to see a doctor and

553
00:21:31,679 --> 00:21:35,360
it takes a little while to get an

554
00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:36,960
appointment with your GP so they just

555
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see really what's happening around them

556
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because there's so much going on in your

557
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daily Well, that's that's interesting

558
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:47,760
and takes us back to football. Um,

559
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because I think I'm right in saying that

560
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:54,559
virtually none of Brazil's football

561
00:21:50,799 --> 00:21:57,520
squad actually play football in Brazil.

562
00:21:54,559 --> 00:21:59,919
That all of them play overseas. And yet

563
00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:02,559
Brazil is a very rich country. If TV

564
00:21:59,919 --> 00:22:05,200
presenters are paid a million pounds a

565
00:22:02,559 --> 00:22:08,159
month, clearly there's the money in the

566
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:10,240
country to keep your best uh players in

567
00:22:08,159 --> 00:22:12,960
a Brazilian league. Why has that never

568
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:15,919
happened? I think what happens that our

569
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:17,600
culture obviously is Brazil is waking up

570
00:22:15,919 --> 00:22:19,360
for that right now and they're talking a

571
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,120
lot about the project for the very young

572
00:22:19,360 --> 00:22:24,159
ones. The one that coming up right now

573
00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:26,320
like 15 16 years old boys that plays

574
00:22:24,159 --> 00:22:28,799
well in Brazil don't have that. is like

575
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:30,720
you don't have big project to keep those

576
00:22:28,799 --> 00:22:33,120
very good players there when they are

577
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:35,200
warming up and become big names by the

578
00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:37,919
time that they get to 21 somebody

579
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:41,120
somebody else overseas already took then

580
00:22:37,919 --> 00:22:42,880
and kind of invested so that's what

581
00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:45,200
happens a lot uh we don't have

582
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:47,200
internally and that's a big big big

583
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:50,640
problem we don't have projects in

584
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:53,280
schools that has a kind of a long time a

585
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:55,520
longevity everything is very kind of

586
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:57,280
immediate immediate like they do

587
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,200
something for 6 months, one year, one

588
00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:01,919
project. Then when they change the

589
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:03,600
government or when the budget run out,

590
00:23:01,919 --> 00:23:05,679
they just stop it and somebody else

591
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,840
comes with a new project, somebody

592
00:23:05,679 --> 00:23:10,159
totally new and they just discard

593
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:14,600
everything that has happened. We have a

594
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a history of a Oh,