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welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world

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with me George Galloway and me Joseph

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hayatt standing in for gatri there have

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only been two mayors of London and half

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of them are in the studio with me both

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served in Parliament with me one has

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decided to go back into Parliament and I

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wish the other one had too the current

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mayor Boris Johnson in true British

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politician style has decided to break

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his pre-election promise that he would

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never be a part-time mayor and has

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decided to be one after all taking he

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hopes a safe outer London Tory seat in

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Parliament whilst continuing to serve as

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mayor for the duration of the term it

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really ought to be a big Scandal but

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oddly it isn't at least not for yet

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London saved the best for first in my

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opinion and so I'm glad to welcome the

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twice elected mayor Ken Livingston but

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before we talk to him we sent Joseph

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minus the red gloves out onto the

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Streets of London to find out what the

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public think it's clearly not desirable

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situation to try and combine two

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important jobs like that uh someone

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recently pointed out that of course a

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cabinet minister is also trying to do

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the job of an MP at the same time and

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expected to achieve that and in many

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cases does So In fairness to him I would

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say that there is a case to be argued

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for that but um certainly uh it more

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importantly he's broken a promise and I

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think that reflects badly upon him I

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can't be a pack time man got to be do

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all or nothing and keep him on his bike

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cuz he look good on his bike he would be

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part-time but he'd do a brilliant job I

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know that he's very committed to the

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role in um city hall and as for with

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regards to um doing a role within

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government I think they need a shakeup

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and he's the right guy to do that as

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well I find it very difficult to rate

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him as a as a mayor uh I think he talks

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a lot I'm not sure about what he's

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delivered I think he's great for London

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I really like him is there any

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particular reason what would you say is

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his legacy in his ter in

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office um I think the funny brings

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politics seems to be more old people

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that are moan about him I've been very

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impressed with him over the years so I'm

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a big fan of his and um just uh hope he

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can continue obviously he's going on to

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become an MP I hope he can do justice to

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both roles who's that he's the mayor of

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London Oh you mean the guy that does

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all some would say with a funky hair big

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white one yeah yes uh don't much about

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him well the voice of the public a mixed

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uh voice of course Ken am I am I barking

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up the wrong tree here is it a big issue

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that he's broken This Promise well

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clearly not because I mean the first

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place he hasn't really done the job of

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Mayor I mean the only two things he's

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initiated in the last six years are a

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that orbit restaurant overlooks the

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Olympics um and the cable car to Nowhere

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the one that he got stuck the he got

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stuck on so the real problem is that he

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hasn't initiated the things cuz all

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projects take a long time that the next

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mayor will open the mayor's elect in

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2016 will find they got to move pretty

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fast or London will be seizing up tell

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me what you think his biggest failures

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have been what had you planned to do

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that he hasn't done and what have we

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paid uh in terms of price for that well

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when I when he he got in he cancelled

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all the projects that I had underway

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except the bike scheme so the extend of

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the so these bikes that everyone calls

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Boris bikes are actually Ken's bikes we

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I commissioned it about oh 10 months

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before we lost the election but we were

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going to extend the Cen tram into

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river tram to ease the pressure on the

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Northern line we were going to take over

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and the labor government agreed this

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Suburban Rail lines the mayor would

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control the franchise you could upgrade

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all that but the big thing I persuaded

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the labor government to give the mayor

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Powers over housing and I mean he

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inherited 5 billion from gon Brown's

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government to start building 50,000

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affordable homes hasn't done it at all I

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I I remember saying to him at one point

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rent and he said homes for rent and

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there was shock in his voice I I'd asked

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if I could sleep with his wife or

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something and you realize this layer of

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Tory Elite they never have a housing

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problem their parents give them one or

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they inherit one or whatever they have

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no idea what it's like to struggle day

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by day in such an expensive city as

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as I said in the introduction uh I I've

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always been a great admirer of yours I

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was a great admirer of your meril it is

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astounding isn't it perhaps not after

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the Vox pops we've just watched that a

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bulington club upper class semi

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Aristocrat buffoon and Joker a man who's

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made a career out of appearing a kind of

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berty wer character could get the

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million plus votes were required to beat

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you how did that happen it's even worse

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at the moment over half of Labor voters

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think he's doing a reasonable job and I

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largely this is because he is very

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clever behind all the buffoonery

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everything he's done has been about

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promoting himself so all people see on

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telly is is this nice man at a charity

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event opening this making him laugh um

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and he's courted relentlessly and you if

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you look at his expenses um statements

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and so on he the the the editors and the

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owners of the evening standard have paid

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for him to have holies in Italy they've

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paid for the car to pick him up the

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airport and bring him home he takes the

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owners of the telegraph out the the

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Barkley Brothers he C he took Murdoch to

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the Olympic Games at the height of the

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investigation into the criminality of

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the Murdoch Empire he has focused on

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keeping the five billionaires who

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control 70% of our papers online so

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there's never the investigation now I'm

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everything I did was under a microscope

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by these people it's unremitting

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pressure and I'm not saying that

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shouldn't happen I just regret the fact

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they're not doing it to to Johnson he is

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an enormously uh Charming character it's

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clear and what is clear from the Vox

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pops including the ones we didn't have

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time to show is that he has a big

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support amongst women in a way this is

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depressing because it seems to teach the

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lesson that people are interested in the

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fro rather than the substance the you

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heard one woman there say he brings fun

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into politics is one of our problems

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that were a bit too serious well they

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see I I didn't come into politics

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because I wanted to be loved I came into

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politics to do things and that's that's

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what our generation did um and one thing

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that surprised me I assumed Boris was

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this Hardline right-wing idealog behind

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all the charm and he would set a new

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right-wing agenda at City Hall and

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really broadly just pattered along

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leaving things pretty much as I left

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them but the fairs up and all that um

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hasn't done anything very much and I

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think those right-wing toes who are

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going to vote for him to be their next

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leader will be bitterly disappointed if

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he does become Prime Minister because

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he's not like thata he hasn't got a a

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world a world view about how things

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should be it's just about promoting

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himself if you Boris served out his term

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he could then get into parliament in a

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byelection quite easily some M to stand

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down but he's expecting the Tor are

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going to lose there's going to be a

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leadership election and I think he's

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right I do think the Tores will lose the

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next election and I think it's going to

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be very interesting because as leader of

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the opposition you won't be you can't

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manage the media in the way I you you do

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in this maril job half an hour every

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week prime minister's questions he's got

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to have detail he's got to have some

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serious policies I think you might find

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a lot of people realize they made a

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mistake once he's exposed to that sort

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of attention I mean obviously if I may

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say so have two great examples of two

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individuals who came into politics with

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good heart good ethics and hard graft

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but essentially I mean we we saw from

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aware of Boris Johnson that the feedback

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from from the younger viewers there was

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that um they're not really in tune with

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with his politics um you know as a

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viewer watching this would it be

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possible to I mean do you really think

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there's a future for young people to to

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have hard graph and good Hearts getting

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into politics I mean the my advice to

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the people is do something before you

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get into politics you know I me I spent

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eight years as a technician at cancer

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research un I had something else in life

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before I got completely caught up in all

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of this and I one of our weaknesses is

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that very few people now come into

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parliament in their 40s or 50s having

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achieved something outside it people

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come in straight from University they

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have no life outside of that and that

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undoubtedly weakens um our political

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system but I think what's significant

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about Boris is you see all these people

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say very nice things about him but none

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of them know him if you look at the

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people who worked closely with him

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they're scath

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uh Max Hastings who gave him the job uh

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for the telegraph covering the European

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Union and his Deputy Sonia panel who was

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there for years working with him are

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absolutely vitriolic about him and so

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behind you know all this charm which is

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very well crafted is absolutely a

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completely ruthless and I think quite

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cold person well we we are about to

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perhaps and Boris Johnson see a new

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leader of the opposition uh what do you

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think think the uh of the job that the

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current leader of the opposition is

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doing you're a a giant figure of

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leftwing politics in Britain you are you

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content that Miland is headed for a

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victory and if so what would be achieved

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by a victory well I most had Miland is

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the last chance in my lifetime of a

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labor government that might actually do

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something all the labor governments I

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mean I was only about a couple of months

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old when the labor government was came

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in after the war that created our

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welfare state and full employment I want

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a labor government like that I do think

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there a chance said Mand will make real

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change whenever I've been with him and I

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spent a lot of time with him in the two

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years I was running and he was leader of

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the party I he's focused on what you

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could do he's learning what Germany got

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right in building a more balanced

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economy jobs workingclass people in

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manufacturing um My worry is that he

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underestimates I think the scale of

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opposition there comes from vested

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interests International corporations the

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old landed gentry f really threaten to

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make change because we've got just about

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the most unfair tax system in the west

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apart from America if you start saying

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to the giant corporations we're going to

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stop Google and Starbucks not paying any

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tax then you got the money to actually

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do the things we want they're going to

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be difficult Ken most people watching

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this will be thinking you left office

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too early well I really regret now I

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gave up my seat in Parliament because I

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would have stood against Gordon Brown we

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might have had a very different

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government and you could still stand get

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back into the house if if millerand

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won't put you in the upper house stand

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for the commons I the idea being sent to

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that open prison of the House of Lords

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there's no appeal you know well the

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House of Commons misses you thanks very

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much indeed the best mayor of London Ken

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Livingston coming up after the break

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Iraq's long Fall to Pieces accelerates

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people to fix it again we'll be right

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sand pits in the newsight studio all the

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old experts are being remobilized

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presenters analysts and experts who told

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us with such certainty 11 years ago

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there have only hundred hundreds of

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thousands of British and American

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soldiers would invade and occupy Iraq

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everything in the Oasis would be Rosy

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well they've now got their military

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boots on again clapat warhorse experts

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are drafted back from what should have

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been Oblivion to give us the benefit of

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all the advice that turned out so wrong

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last time yes we are on the March and

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headed back to war in Iraq how's that

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going to work out well let's ask Sabah

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jaad of Iraqi Democrats against

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occupation he was a victim of Sadam but

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nevertheless an opponent of the Bush and

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Blair War let's hear his take on this

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one

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Sabah are we on the March back to war

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with Iraq and will it do any good yeah

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there there seems to be that American

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actually and the British for that matter

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are going back to Iraq and uh uh they

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always say that the criminals always

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returned to the crime scenes and now

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we've seen them uh in the in the

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mountain of Kurdistan and they talking

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about humanitarian missions and actually

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they just discover that the ye yazid is

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no longer stranded on the the mountains

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and therefore there is no there is no

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need for a huge rescue missions that all

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turned out to shoot their fox really

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they were they were going to use the

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plight of a people they had never

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mentioned to us before the

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yazidis uh as their Co cause uh for the

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war their uh kazos belly uh but that's

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now gone because the yazidis are

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actually already gone and the local

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people rescued them Kurdish people in

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fact they're now safe in Syria yeah

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absolutely isn't this a case in point

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that the it's not that we're against uh

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intervention in catastrophes it's that

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the people in the area the region

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American Sinister a Sinister plan

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actually for Iraq they never came to

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term with the with the with them leaving

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Iraq in 2011 they always want to

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maintain some military presence in Iraq

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uh the Iraqi people refus that and even

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forced alari government not to give them

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immunity and and so on you remember

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the S negotiations and so on and they

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never actually were happy with that

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decision they utilize what's happening

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in musul and the ISIS attack and

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occupation of musul and the aftermath of

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the event uh to go back to to Iraq and

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uh with their first of all they

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threatened with the bombardment Air

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Force attacks against Isis and and musul

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and now they're talking about ground

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troops and this specialist forces and

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rescue forces and so on drone attacks as

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well and uh in the end they will end up

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establishing military bases in Kurdistan

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the most likely a place for such a

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military bases in the future don't

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forget that the Kurdish leadership

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actually offered uh the Americans uh

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permanent military bases in Kurdistan

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when Maliki was negotiating the sofa

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agreement in

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2011 is one of the game plans then to

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formally break up Iraq so that Kurdistan

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becomes an independent state if the

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American wanted the breakup of Iraq they

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would have done it earlier but actually

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the Kurdish leadership are more use

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useful to the American and the

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Israeli policy if they remain in Iraq

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and keep Iraq weak and and a fragmented

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State without uh the Declaration of

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Independence de facto Independence

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already absolutely and this is what

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they've been working at at this is what

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uh you know the selling of illegal

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selling of Iraqi oil the occupation of

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uh parts of Iraq which does not belong

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to the to the Kish regions like most

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like kuk like kuk as well they they hold

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that now what's going to happen to that

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well they said def

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Factor annexation of the the part of

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Iraq and they say we are not going to

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return to the status includes one of

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Iraq's two oil fields yeah one a huge

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oil field as well and don't forget that

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I mean this the with the conniving of

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turkey and the American oil companies

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they've been extracting oil and selling

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it um and all the protestations by the

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American actually they don't like that

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and they should be this this issue

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should be cleared with the central

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government and Iraq is a lie because the

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American oil companies who are buying uh

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these uh shipment of oil uh from Iraq

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illegally let's talk about Isis we've

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talked about them many times here before

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let's assume it's a given between us the

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Isis is guilty of the most Savage

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barbarism both in Syria and in Iraq that

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they are Beyond any kind of pale uh that

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would be recognized by any Muslim other

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than the small takiri sect that they

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represent let's assume that to be a

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given how come they have done so

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spectacularly well how come the tribes

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in the West of Iraq are content to

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appear at least to be represented by

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them how come saddam's former men in the

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Army and the bath party and militia and

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so on are content to be led by them I

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think they are help and there's a lot of

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people asking this question why kind of

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a desperate group of um Savages

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basically who come from all over the

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world fromia uh from Britain and and so

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on they go there they've been to Syria

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they've been to Lebanon they've been all

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across the middle east in Yemen as well

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they commit atrocities all over the

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place in fact a lot of people in the

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Middle East called these Isis and dases

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and Al they call them American and

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Israeli milia and the Arab world because

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they going about in Syria Iraq Yemen uh

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Libya and Lebanon the occupation of Aral

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for example uh in Lebanon as well um

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it's all part and parcel of uh uh a plan

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Israeli and American plan to fragment

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the Middle East and to weaken the states

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whether it's Syrian Iraqis and so on and

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Iraq is added Advantage because the

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American created a political system

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so-called political process which is

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based on sectarianism and division so

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Iraq actually have no way of developing

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into an independent Sovereign uh

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powerful state or strong State because

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it's been strangled by the political

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process where you have a situation where

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actually even the smallest oppositions

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are part of the system part of the

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government and so this does not

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manufacture strength in Iraq continuity

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and and sovereignty therefore they

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created this system to to maintain Iraq

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as a weak State and this is incourage uh

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Isis to expand and to achieve this uh

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tremendous victory in musul and don't

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forget the Iraqi Army did not fight a

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single shot in um in mul and that's

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because of the infiltrations by the

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Americans they appointed these people

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and uh bribery of the Senor Iraqi off

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officers because when the Paul bremmer

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disbanded the Iraqi army they created

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another Army which is very corrupt and

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uh bias um in favor of the American and

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some Regional Powers as well you know

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like Saudi Arabia Qatar and uh other

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turkey and so on so the Iraqi Army did

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not fight in mul uh the the

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Isis got hold of the their weapons their

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weapons and in fact you find these

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weapons in Syria so Syria suffering as a

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result of uh Isis victory in musul as

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well and can they go on to still greater

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victories I mean are these people going

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to take over the country it will be very

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difficult in Bagdad and the south of

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Iraq as you know because of the of the

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concentrations of uh you know

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Shiite and so on but I they will they

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try to maintain Iraq in a very weak

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state where this is basically bleeding

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and with the help of the Kurdish

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leadership you know of leading Iraq dry

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in terms of oil and resources and you

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have to watch your back all the time uh

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we have now basically a k against the

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political system which is the American

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themselves created um uh in Iraq They

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toppled al Maliki because they didn't

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like some aspects of Maliki policies

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even so that he's at the end of the day

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he obeys their order but he did not obey

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their orders in in terms of buying arms

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from the Russians H he concluded few

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deals a huge deals to buy arms from the

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from Russia because the United States

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refused to sell him arms despite the

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security agreement with him um because

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they are worried that Israel actually it

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might be a use used to attack Israel you

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know any armed shipment to the Middle

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East it has to be approved by the

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Israelis and the Zionist Lobby in

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Congress and so on and they refused to

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supply Iraq with the Phantom F6 despite

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the fact actually that Iraq paid for

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these ship they paid for them but not

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receed receed them and as a result you

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see Maliki went to Russia and signed a

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four billion agreement with them that

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agreement actually was shelved somehow

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because of the corruption scandals

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surrounding it but at the same time he

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just uh reached an agreement with the

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Russians uh once again to to buy more

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than a billion uh dollars worth of arms

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the American didn't like that and also

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Al Maliki was talking about majority

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political majority government in Iraq

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which actually go in contradiction to

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what they plan for Iraq because the

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Americans don't like Iraqis to behave as

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Iraqis they want Iraqis to behave as a

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tribal at each other throat

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at Sunni and Sh Kur and Arabi and and so

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on you know they don't look at third

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world countries as a uh you know entity

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which is a national entities and so on I

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remember in the past few weeks I saw a

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program on BBC I think it was the news

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night where the guest was uh uh the High

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Commissioner from uh Rwanda and uh the

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interviewer actually insisted that he

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he'll tell him uh where he whether he's

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tosti or hu and that guy the High

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Commissioner refused to say he said we

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have to put these kind of things behind

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us because it brought us tragedies to to

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um Rwanda but they insisted actually on

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classifying or defining Nations at

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tribal uh killing each other or religion

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or sect SE sectors fighting each other

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and so on and this is the the story in

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Iraq this is the story in Lebanon the

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French went to Lebanon and created

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aarian system based on religions and

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confession yeah it's an old story also

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divide and Ru and Rule yeah and that's

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exactly uh what they're trying any hope

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for

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Iraq the Iraqi people are very Resolute

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the Iraqi people will not uh lie down

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and let this continue for uh

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indefinitely so in the end and at the

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end of the day we'll be victorious we

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will establish a democratic prosperous

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independent

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Iraq where not even one soldier

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resemblance of American and British

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soldiers who remain in Iraq Sabah jaad

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thank you for that powerful

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message and now it's your turn to tell

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us what you think through the portals of

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social media what's rattling Joseph so

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on the subject of Boris Johnson

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obviously his legacy in office uh Mark

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Atkinson says he spent his time greasing

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palms and helping out the chaps to

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facilit take his bid for leader quite a

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few on the water cannons that he's of

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course commissioned uh 12:00 and alls

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well says mobile shower units hash water

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cannons well of course he has no power

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he has no legal authority to use these

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water cannons the Home Secretary has not

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agreed that they should be used uh onto

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the terrible state of Iraq um Aaron marp

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says arming factions in Middle East

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cause this don't see how spending more

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arms in will help and finally anfield

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says aim is to create USA Garrison in

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Kurdish region I have no doubt that the

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Americans are going to base themselves

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there because they currently don't have

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permission to do so in Iraq or rather

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they did have the right to base

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themselves in Iraq but they would be

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given no immunity when they broke Iraqi

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law and that was the uh breaking point

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and that's all we've got time for for

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today no you got married yesterday so

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congratulations and the best of luck

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with all that and now all the viewers

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know why you're looking so happy don't

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forget to follow us on Twitter it's rtor

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Sputnik and of course we're on Facebook

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it's Sputnik on Russia today but for one

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final time it's goodbye from me Joseph

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hayatt and from me George Galloway it's

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been marvelous

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