1 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:17,360 three I 2 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,430 [Music] 3 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:39,879 welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world 4 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:41,800 with me George Galloway and me gri back 5 00:00:39,879 --> 00:00:44,320 at work with the baby just outside the 6 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:46,719 studio a name change for the North 7 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,960 Atlantic Treaty Organization NATO is 8 00:00:46,719 --> 00:00:50,840 surely in order given that it was last 9 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:54,000 seen killing people in the deserts of 10 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:56,039 North Africa it is nuclear armed with 11 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:58,800 thousands of warheads aggressive 12 00:00:56,039 --> 00:01:01,160 expansive and extremely dangerous and 13 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:03,000 they're coming here this weekend in 14 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,879 Cardiff the NATO leaders of the Gang 15 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:07,400 That Couldn't Shoot Straight have the 16 00:01:04,879 --> 00:01:09,520 city in lockdown some people are afraid 17 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:11,520 others are on the March against them 18 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:13,840 just what the great and peaceful city of 19 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:16,759 Cardiff did to deserve this visit by the 20 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:19,439 war party is unclear perhaps they 21 00:01:16,759 --> 00:01:21,600 thought it would all pass quietly if so 22 00:01:19,439 --> 00:01:23,280 they have another think coming one of 23 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:25,280 the organizers of this weekend's 24 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:27,320 demonstrations against them is an old 25 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:29,920 friend of mine for more than 30 years 26 00:01:27,320 --> 00:01:32,680 Britain's communist leader Rob Griffiths 27 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:35,479 and I'm glad to say he joins us on board 28 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:37,399 the Sputnik Rob what did Cardiff do to 29 00:01:35,479 --> 00:01:40,240 deserve this visit and what do you have 30 00:01:37,399 --> 00:01:43,439 planned well nothing that I'm aware of 31 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:46,520 uh and in fact Cardiff council is 32 00:01:43,439 --> 00:01:47,880 hosting a counter Summit so the city the 33 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,759 city of cardiff's elected 34 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,799 representatives didn't issue any 35 00:01:49,759 --> 00:01:53,479 invitation and they've clearly shown 36 00:01:51,799 --> 00:01:55,680 that their sympathizer their sympathies 37 00:01:53,479 --> 00:01:57,680 lie more with the demonstrators than 38 00:01:55,680 --> 00:02:00,119 with the uh the leaders of the so-called 39 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:03,240 free world who will be meeting in ciff 40 00:02:00,119 --> 00:02:06,119 of Newport um there will be there is a 41 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:08,720 warm welcome plann for them uh there's 42 00:02:06,119 --> 00:02:10,759 an encirclement of Cardiff Castle today 43 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:12,920 or should I say an encirclement of the 44 00:02:10,759 --> 00:02:15,000 wire and concrete that now surrounds 45 00:02:12,920 --> 00:02:17,280 Cardiff Castle today where the summit 46 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:19,360 leaders will uh meet in uh just over a 47 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:21,840 week's time uh there's a big 48 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:24,720 International demonstration in Newport a 49 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:27,280 joint venue of the of the summit uh on 50 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:29,519 Saturday assemble at 1:00 Newport Civic 51 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:32,760 Center there's a 2-day counter Summit 52 00:02:29,519 --> 00:02:34,840 after that and various other events all 53 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:37,160 designed to show that the mass of 54 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:39,360 ordinary people have no interest in this 55 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:41,440 Summit and certainly have no support for 56 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:43,239 the kind of war mongering that we can 57 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:45,159 expect to hear from it so let me get 58 00:02:43,239 --> 00:02:48,120 this right they're cowering inside a 59 00:02:45,159 --> 00:02:51,120 castle which is itself now surrounded by 60 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:52,720 concrete and barire well apparently that 61 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:55,040 sounds like a real welcome all of the 62 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:57,800 fortifications built by the Romans and 63 00:02:55,040 --> 00:03:00,560 the Normans uh uh and the English aren't 64 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:02,519 sufficient and we need extra steel and 65 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:05,640 concrete to keep to keep the ordinary 66 00:03:02,519 --> 00:03:10,280 people at Bay now they are they have 67 00:03:05,640 --> 00:03:13,920 moved onto a posture of extremely 68 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:17,239 aggressive language against Russia uh 69 00:03:13,920 --> 00:03:20,640 they are going to this weekend discuss 70 00:03:17,239 --> 00:03:23,159 ways in which they can put forward NATO 71 00:03:20,640 --> 00:03:26,720 basis as close as possible as they can 72 00:03:23,159 --> 00:03:29,080 get to Russia now the justification for 73 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:31,760 NATO was never accepted by the likes of 74 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:34,200 you or me but the justification for NATO 75 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:37,439 was that it was a Counterpoint an answer 76 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:39,480 to the Warsaw Pact the Warsaw Pact is 77 00:03:37,439 --> 00:03:42,239 long gone and half the countries that 78 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:44,439 were in the warsa P are now in NATO so 79 00:03:42,239 --> 00:03:46,760 what's the justification for the 80 00:03:44,439 --> 00:03:49,200 continuation of this war machine well 81 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:51,439 there was a major flaw in this uh 82 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,799 defense or this justification for the 83 00:03:51,439 --> 00:03:55,120 existence of NATO from the very 84 00:03:52,799 --> 00:03:57,319 beginning because the warsa pact was in 85 00:03:55,120 --> 00:04:00,959 fact not set up until six years after 86 00:03:57,319 --> 00:04:02,680 NATO was established um so so they have 87 00:04:00,959 --> 00:04:05,159 they have to keep they have to keep 88 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:07,480 inventing new justifications I mean as 89 00:04:05,159 --> 00:04:10,720 you say The warsa Pact wound itself up 90 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:12,280 in 1993 and therefore by its own logic 91 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:14,599 NATO should have wounded itself up 92 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:18,560 instead of which it's expanded from 12 93 00:04:14,599 --> 00:04:20,560 members to 28 um and uh we had a series 94 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:23,120 of bogey men if you remember that were 95 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:25,080 appointed by the Western Powers after 96 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:27,520 the collapse and counterrevolution in 97 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:31,120 the Soviet Union it was Gaddafi it was 98 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:33,120 the Ayatollah it was Saddam saying once 99 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:35,120 we' finished arming him and financing 100 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:37,400 him and helping in helping him to kill 101 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:39,120 Communists and trade unionists and so on 102 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:41,759 uh they always have to invent new 103 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:43,800 excuses Putin is the latest bogey man 104 00:04:41,759 --> 00:04:46,400 but they're moving into cyber crime 105 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:48,479 International piracy everything possible 106 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:50,880 to try and justify the continued 107 00:04:48,479 --> 00:04:53,440 existence of NATO and the fact that the 108 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:56,039 US in particular of course its Ambitions 109 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:58,759 are for worldwide what they call full 110 00:04:56,039 --> 00:05:00,240 spectrum dominance of air sea land and 111 00:04:58,759 --> 00:05:03,320 outer space 112 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:04,840 um and of course if they can try and put 113 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,520 themselves forward as an organization 114 00:05:04,840 --> 00:05:08,600 that's also concerned about 115 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:11,680 International piracy cyber crime and so 116 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:13,880 on this helps so it believes it's kind 117 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:16,240 to justify its existence what was the 118 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:20,680 that that mob in in the James Bond film 119 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:24,000 smash it's a kind of uh extra 120 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:27,759 territorial uh gang with a with a kind 121 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:30,840 of uh logic remorseless perpetual motion 122 00:05:27,759 --> 00:05:33,280 uh of its own it's not within any 123 00:05:30,840 --> 00:05:35,520 national government's power to control 124 00:05:33,280 --> 00:05:37,360 well the James Bond parallels are are 125 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:39,800 there except they're all sort of in 126 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:42,560 reverse image aren't they um you know 127 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:44,360 the I mean the the the baddy you know is 128 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:47,080 obviously Putin at the moment he's the 129 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:49,479 evil person stroking the cat on his on 130 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:51,080 his knee and so on and yet after all 131 00:05:49,479 --> 00:05:53,360 amongst other things it's not Putin that 132 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:55,400 has gone to Iraq and killed hundreds of 133 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,840 hundreds of thousands of civilians or 134 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:59,680 killed thousands of civilians in 135 00:05:56,840 --> 00:06:02,000 Afghanistan or just killed uh 2,000 136 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:04,000 civilians in Palestine it's not Putin 137 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:06,199 that's done any of this it's the Western 138 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:08,880 Powers it's the NATO powers and their 139 00:06:06,199 --> 00:06:12,599 allies their allies such as Israel now 140 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:15,240 you mention uh uh Iraq of course one of 141 00:06:12,599 --> 00:06:19,240 the items on the agenda this weekend 142 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:22,440 will be the frankly bizarre idea that 143 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:24,120 the solution to the catastrophe in Iraq 144 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:27,000 is for the people who caused the 145 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:30,240 catastrophe in Iraq to return to the 146 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:33,199 scene of their former uh crime 147 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:34,919 uh what are you expecting in that well 148 00:06:33,199 --> 00:06:36,880 yeah we'll you know we'll we'll we'll 149 00:06:34,919 --> 00:06:40,120 have warmongering statements not not 150 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:42,440 only uh against Putin and so on um but 151 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:45,560 uh we'll we may well hear further 152 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:48,319 excuses for intervening yet again in uh 153 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:50,479 in Iraq militarily um I don't think we 154 00:06:48,319 --> 00:06:53,280 could expect anything better for as long 155 00:06:50,479 --> 00:06:55,520 as perh somebody like rasmason is is the 156 00:06:53,280 --> 00:06:57,599 Secretary General of NATO after all when 157 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,639 when he was prime minister of Denmark he 158 00:06:57,599 --> 00:07:02,280 was one of the chief war and he actually 159 00:06:59,639 --> 00:07:04,440 dragged Danish Armed Forces into the 160 00:07:02,280 --> 00:07:06,520 Iraq War I can't remember the last time 161 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:08,560 the Danish armed forces were involved in 162 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:10,520 any fighting at all and he did so with 163 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:13,240 the same lies as Blair and Bush the 164 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:15,680 weapons of mass destruction uh line and 165 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:18,840 so on and he's the Secretary General 166 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:21,759 that's right uh of this small country 167 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:23,560 Denmark but he struts around the world 168 00:07:21,759 --> 00:07:26,360 threatening people with somebody else's 169 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:29,199 army with somebody else's nuclear uh 170 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:31,800 weapons the role of musolini indeed uh 171 00:07:29,199 --> 00:07:35,000 through through the uh through the 172 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:38,360 1930s um is he on his way out who's 173 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:41,240 going to get the gig after him and what 174 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:42,960 are the British doing in all of this 175 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:45,199 well I think they've lined up somebody 176 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:47,560 from Norway which as far as I'm aware 177 00:07:45,199 --> 00:07:50,000 doesn't have an army any bigger than 178 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:51,800 Denmark's um but I think that the next 179 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,840 the successor is from Norway but at the 180 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:57,680 end of the day rasmason and whoever else 181 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:59,039 it it is Will Will merely be voicing 182 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,280 what is at the end of the day the 183 00:07:59,039 --> 00:08:03,879 foreign policy of the United States I 184 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:06,159 mean NATO really is a tool of the United 185 00:08:03,879 --> 00:08:08,720 States it's the North American uh 186 00:08:06,159 --> 00:08:11,919 terrorist organization is one of our 187 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:15,479 tweeters uh put it well with that in 188 00:08:11,919 --> 00:08:18,720 mind I wanted to ask you about France 189 00:08:15,479 --> 00:08:21,080 historically France was a kind of 190 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,639 semi-independent member of NATO it 191 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:26,319 refused to give the United States 192 00:08:22,639 --> 00:08:29,159 control of its nuclear weapons uh it uh 193 00:08:26,319 --> 00:08:33,760 withdrew I think for some years from the 194 00:08:29,159 --> 00:08:35,959 m committees uh of NATO but this uh uh 195 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:38,959 least popular of all French presidents 196 00:08:35,959 --> 00:08:41,719 franois Holland he's right in with the 197 00:08:38,959 --> 00:08:44,279 with the m gang he's taken a very um 198 00:08:41,719 --> 00:08:47,680 pro-american stance in a lot of foreign 199 00:08:44,279 --> 00:08:49,880 policy issues um uh and of course in 200 00:08:47,680 --> 00:08:51,920 terms of his domestic policies he's busy 201 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:56,279 betraying all the pledges that he laid 202 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:58,160 before the French electorate um we we 203 00:08:56,279 --> 00:08:59,959 you're quite right to say that for a 204 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:02,160 long period France was not not part of 205 00:08:59,959 --> 00:09:04,200 the military structures of NATO I think 206 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:06,440 they still participated in some of the 207 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:08,720 political structures and so on but uh 208 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:11,560 Holland and and one or two before him 209 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:13,680 have been busy reintegrating France into 210 00:09:11,560 --> 00:09:15,839 NATO but at the end of the day Holland 211 00:09:13,680 --> 00:09:18,200 himself may be on the way out and uh 212 00:09:15,839 --> 00:09:20,720 we'll have to see whether France reverts 213 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:22,360 to perhaps a more gist approach a more 214 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,959 independent approach in its foreign 215 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:27,000 policy the kind of independent foreign 216 00:09:24,959 --> 00:09:29,560 and defense policy that of course we 217 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:31,640 desperately need in Britain instead of C 218 00:09:29,560 --> 00:09:35,920 on as the United States number one 219 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:39,000 poodle David Cameron uh like his 220 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:40,600 predecessors frankly uh if you think 221 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:45,160 about it since 222 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:48,600 thater uh we've had a parade of American 223 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:51,920 poodles uh in charge of this country 224 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:55,040 David Cameron Cuts an unlikely uh 225 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:58,560 Soldier I must say a real Brill cream uh 226 00:09:55,040 --> 00:10:01,839 boy uh but he is uh he seems to be 227 00:09:58,560 --> 00:10:04,560 itching uh for a fight he tried to get 228 00:10:01,839 --> 00:10:08,120 us into the war with uh Syria last 229 00:10:04,560 --> 00:10:12,160 August failed with just 13 of a majority 230 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:14,200 in Parliament now he seems to be mulling 231 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:17,160 according to the newspapers sending the 232 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:19,519 Royal Air Force back to Iraq well I mean 233 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:21,880 if there was a prize at CRS you know for 234 00:10:19,519 --> 00:10:24,079 best American poodle I'm afraid British 235 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:26,760 prime ministers would have won it uh for 236 00:10:24,079 --> 00:10:30,480 the last for the last of for the last 20 237 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:32,480 years or more um fortunately um it was a 238 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:35,720 great victory for the anti-war movement 239 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:38,360 George of course when the MPS went into 240 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:40,920 Westminster uh last year and uh 241 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:42,880 prevented Britain from joining in what 242 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:45,519 would have been a mad Escapade that 243 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:48,079 would have strengthened the very uh 244 00:10:45,519 --> 00:10:50,160 fundamentalist terrorist forces that 245 00:10:48,079 --> 00:10:52,160 we're now supposed to be opposing uh now 246 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:54,560 that they've spread from Syria into Iraq 247 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:56,399 so so the the people of Britain and 248 00:10:54,560 --> 00:10:59,920 their elected representatives saved 249 00:10:56,399 --> 00:11:02,959 Cameron from himself uh last year uh and 250 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:04,560 even uh even Ed Milan came rather late 251 00:11:02,959 --> 00:11:06,639 uh to the show but at least at the end 252 00:11:04,560 --> 00:11:11,720 of the day opposed what would have been 253 00:11:06,639 --> 00:11:13,519 an act of sheia folly um but uh now 254 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:16,839 instead of drawing the right conclusions 255 00:11:13,519 --> 00:11:18,839 from that uh again they the approach 256 00:11:16,839 --> 00:11:20,639 seems to be that if there's a problem 257 00:11:18,839 --> 00:11:22,600 anywhere in the world British and 258 00:11:20,639 --> 00:11:24,920 American Military intervention can solve 259 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:26,320 it it's the default position that's 260 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,720 right that's right that's right what we 261 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:31,079 need of course is um International 262 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:33,160 solidarity and action through the United 263 00:11:31,079 --> 00:11:35,560 Nations to assist those who are 264 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:37,279 resisting any kind of any kind of 265 00:11:35,560 --> 00:11:39,839 terrorist offensive such as the one that 266 00:11:37,279 --> 00:11:42,519 we're seeing Isis launching across Iraq 267 00:11:39,839 --> 00:11:45,200 Rob griffi thank you very much indeed 268 00:11:42,519 --> 00:11:47,959 coming up after the break as mass murder 269 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:50,279 and mutilation continues to amaze and 270 00:11:47,959 --> 00:11:52,800 Astound Western politicians and their 271 00:11:50,279 --> 00:11:54,480 media Echo Chambers we'll be looking at 272 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:58,079 the head chopping throat slicing 273 00:11:54,480 --> 00:12:01,040 medieval obscurantists known as Isis or 274 00:11:58,079 --> 00:12:03,440 as President Obama still calls them ISO 275 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,440 don't miss 276 00:12:05,959 --> 00:12:12,000 it welcome back to Sputnik Western 277 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:14,680 commentators have been unsurprisingly 278 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:16,839 fixated of late with the latest video 279 00:12:14,680 --> 00:12:19,360 horror show of an American journalist 280 00:12:16,839 --> 00:12:22,600 being savagely murdered by the gang of 281 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:24,800 Desperados going by the name of Isis the 282 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:27,519 same murder gang their own Western 283 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:29,600 governments with media approval did so 284 00:12:27,519 --> 00:12:32,160 much to build up over the Border in 285 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:34,440 Syria but the west and its allies are 286 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:36,720 both directly and indirectly deeply 287 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:39,279 implicated in the wave of violence in 288 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:41,680 Iraq the bush and Blair Invasion and 289 00:12:39,279 --> 00:12:44,680 occupation of Iraq could only lead to 290 00:12:41,680 --> 00:12:47,120 this and our main Ally Saudi Arabia is 291 00:12:44,680 --> 00:12:49,279 ruled by people with very much in common 292 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:51,959 with Isis and a very great deal of their 293 00:12:49,279 --> 00:12:54,360 early funding came from there Saudi 294 00:12:51,959 --> 00:12:56,199 Prince bander known as bandar Bush 295 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:58,959 because of his closeness to one of the 296 00:12:56,199 --> 00:13:01,519 US ruling families is up to his neck in 297 00:12:58,959 --> 00:13:03,600 the Bloodshed in the leant Muhammad 298 00:13:01,519 --> 00:13:07,320 Hariri is one of those now trying to 299 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:10,079 Rouse public opinion against Isis # no 300 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:12,760 to Isis and was the organizer of recent 301 00:13:10,079 --> 00:13:15,680 London demonstrations against them we're 302 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:18,959 glad to welcome him on board the Sputnik 303 00:13:15,680 --> 00:13:23,720 Muhammad tell the viewers first of all 304 00:13:18,959 --> 00:13:25,680 who what is Isis who are the people 305 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:29,000 doing the head chopping throat cutting 306 00:13:25,680 --> 00:13:32,000 and murder and mutilation Isis stands 307 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:33,839 for for Islamic State for Iraq and Syria 308 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:37,120 it's a very secretive 309 00:13:33,839 --> 00:13:40,680 organization um from our research um we 310 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:43,079 see um a lot of foreigners in Isis um 311 00:13:40,680 --> 00:13:46,440 there are reports um on on the same day 312 00:13:43,079 --> 00:13:48,279 when musul fell on the 10th of June um 313 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:51,040 there was the leader who led the 314 00:13:48,279 --> 00:13:54,720 invasion force uh was a guy called Omar 315 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:56,519 shishani and he is from Chia um there 316 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:59,079 are pictures of him this is all the 317 00:13:56,519 --> 00:14:01,560 information I'm giving based on uh t 318 00:13:59,079 --> 00:14:03,480 Twitter accounts Isis Twitter accounts 319 00:14:01,560 --> 00:14:06,399 on the internet um so there's Omar 320 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:09,240 shishani led the invasion force on mul 321 00:14:06,399 --> 00:14:13,160 there are pictures of him with Iraqi 322 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:15,199 Army Humvees um on the 11th of June um 323 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:17,720 there were there were pictures of Saudi 324 00:14:15,199 --> 00:14:19,680 Fighters um on the internet it even was 325 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:21,000 picked up by Al Arabia newspaper because 326 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:24,880 they were so shocked that how come 327 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:27,279 Saudis are appearing in musul um and um 328 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:29,600 it it got to the point where some Saudi 329 00:14:27,279 --> 00:14:32,440 media start having some programs on TV 330 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:36,120 in Saudi Arabia uh saying Isis as well 331 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:38,680 as alra front in Syria are um there are 332 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:41,360 many Saudis in them and as well as 333 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:43,600 leading these organizations they're all 334 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:46,519 with with non Iraqi accent the all the 335 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:49,560 videos I've seen on the internet for 336 00:14:46,519 --> 00:14:52,040 Isis only one I saw that has a guy with 337 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:54,560 an Iraqi accents they are either Saudi 338 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:57,320 accents Tunisian accents Libyan accents 339 00:14:54,560 --> 00:15:01,880 from Chia I mean if you just put on 340 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:04,959 YouTube Chan Fighters you will see clips 341 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:08,160 horof clips of ISIS killing innocent 342 00:15:04,959 --> 00:15:10,199 syrians um in Syria um and there there 343 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:12,800 was a statement by the Tunisian interior 344 00:15:10,199 --> 00:15:14,480 minister in June this year uh stating 345 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:17,600 that there are 346 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:19,839 2,400 Tunisian Fighters fighting for 347 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:21,440 Isis between Iraq and Syria and of 348 00:15:19,839 --> 00:15:23,160 course there are a lot of Europeans 349 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:26,199 thousands of them and hundreds of them 350 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:28,639 are British absolutely if you if you 351 00:15:26,199 --> 00:15:31,519 scrutinize and look at some of these um 352 00:15:28,639 --> 00:15:35,360 IM they come out on the internet you 353 00:15:31,519 --> 00:15:37,000 will see most of these men are masked um 354 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:40,399 but the way they are built they're body 355 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:42,959 built um usually an Arab would have a 356 00:15:40,399 --> 00:15:45,880 hairy arm we we we got into that much 357 00:15:42,959 --> 00:15:49,880 details you see hairless arms wellb 358 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:53,360 built guys who knows who they are I mean 359 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:56,279 I mean the guy who was on the clip the 360 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:59,959 next day when musul fell he's a guy from 361 00:15:56,279 --> 00:16:01,680 Colombia or um uh Ecuador one of these 362 00:15:59,959 --> 00:16:04,240 South American countries his name is Abu 363 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:07,759 sufyan and he was talking about bringing 364 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:10,160 down the borders the syus picot borders 365 00:16:07,759 --> 00:16:12,639 between Iraq and Syria he was from um he 366 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:15,680 was from South America so it's really 367 00:16:12,639 --> 00:16:17,360 difficult to tell um with their mosque 368 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:19,000 who are they what the what but you're 369 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:22,440 but you're confident that not many of 370 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:25,279 them are Iraqis as an Iraqi whether 371 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:28,680 you're a Sunni or a Shia this is a 372 00:16:25,279 --> 00:16:31,519 foreign ideology for us the brutality 373 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:34,440 the criminality the head chopping I mean 374 00:16:31,519 --> 00:16:36,440 from my research the the the the head 375 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:40,120 choppers what I call them they tend to 376 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:42,839 be guys who were prisoners in the west I 377 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:45,199 mean one guy is Khaled shahu he was on 378 00:16:42,839 --> 00:16:48,399 the news from Australia this guy was on 379 00:16:45,199 --> 00:16:50,639 drugs he um he was to the point 380 00:16:48,399 --> 00:16:53,360 hallucinating and um he was in prison 381 00:16:50,639 --> 00:16:56,000 for a while came out came to the mosque 382 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:58,360 and then went to Syria and he appears on 383 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:00,839 a lot of these head chopping videos as 384 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:03,639 well as another guy called Abu ABD 385 00:17:00,839 --> 00:17:06,480 Rahman Al Iraqi he was in prison in in 386 00:17:03,639 --> 00:17:10,240 in in Holland now you see Dutch 387 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:12,439 guys training these Isis Fighters um 388 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:15,439 there are there there were there were um 389 00:17:12,439 --> 00:17:17,720 a guy called Eric Haron in the US um he 390 00:17:15,439 --> 00:17:19,720 he was caught on video in Syria bringing 391 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:22,439 down a helicopter when they went and 392 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:25,079 asked his dad in in the US he said no he 393 00:17:22,439 --> 00:17:28,079 can't be working for Al-Qaeda as far as 394 00:17:25,079 --> 00:17:30,400 I know my son works for the CIA so there 395 00:17:28,079 --> 00:17:32,799 are what what can you tell us about the 396 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:35,600 name change it went from it started with 397 00:17:32,799 --> 00:17:38,799 isil and then Isis and they've recently 398 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:42,880 reestablished themselves is yeah it's 399 00:17:38,799 --> 00:17:45,720 it's a very wellth thought move um these 400 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:49,200 guys whoever behind them they're very 401 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:51,840 intelligent um the reason for that is 402 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:53,919 they want to say we're a global movement 403 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:55,760 and just in the last two month I think 404 00:17:53,919 --> 00:17:58,280 they sort of doubled or tripled their 405 00:17:55,760 --> 00:18:01,240 recruits um and it's very important to 406 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:04,760 concentrate on uh this is a gener a 407 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:07,120 generational issue um it's not the it's 408 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:10,400 not the 40s and the 50s Muslims they're 409 00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:13,320 targeting people as young as 14 16 up to 410 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:14,640 the age of 28 they brainwash them you're 411 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:17,480 you're the Freedom Fighters you're the 412 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:20,400 Muslim Fighters um it's you who's going 413 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:23,200 to reestablish the hu the the the 414 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:24,400 Islamic State and it's it's you um who's 415 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,960 going to do it they're all being 416 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:31,880 brainwashed to do that but Muhammad uh 417 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:35,679 this rag bag of 14 to 28y Old foreigners 418 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:39,080 from America and England and all parts 419 00:18:35,679 --> 00:18:41,600 of the world how come they've been so 420 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:44,760 astoundingly militarily successful 421 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:47,000 sweeping across the West the north 422 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:48,760 capturing some of the most historic and 423 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:53,400 important Iraqi 424 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:55,720 cities um according to Snowden leaks um 425 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:58,240 the budget for the us one of the the 426 00:18:55,720 --> 00:19:01,240 damaging um information is the budget 427 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:03,240 for the C is 50 billion per year okay 428 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:06,000 now please tell 429 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:09,240 me tell me how can an organization with 430 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:12,919 a 50 billion dollar we didn't 431 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:16,679 notice a convoy of cars Isis going from 432 00:19:12,919 --> 00:19:20,080 Syria taking over mus okay 433 00:19:16,679 --> 00:19:23,400 um only yesterday there was a a news on 434 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:25,559 um on um one of these Turkish websites 435 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:29,320 the third Israeli 436 00:19:25,559 --> 00:19:31,440 drawn fall Downs Over Baghdad it's very 437 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:34,720 worrying I mean who knows who who is 438 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:37,559 behind them how can they have so uh well 439 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:40,240 accurate GPS they can move so quickly 440 00:19:37,559 --> 00:19:43,640 from one area to the other area they 441 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:46,120 must have some good intelligence I mean 442 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,919 on on their on their videos they show a 443 00:19:46,120 --> 00:19:50,640 lot of drones where do they get these 444 00:19:47,919 --> 00:19:53,240 drones from um well I have no doubt that 445 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:55,320 they are uh their Providence is dubious 446 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:58,240 I have no doubt that they are the 447 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:59,480 richest terrorist organization in all 448 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:02,960 history 449 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:07,159 but the facts remain that the both the 450 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:10,159 Iraqi Army and the Kurdish pesmerga run 451 00:20:07,159 --> 00:20:13,480 away from them that doesn't compute with 452 00:20:10,159 --> 00:20:17,000 me I mean unless these are some kind of 453 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:19,960 superheroes super Fighters why are 454 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:23,280 armies 10 times bigger than them running 455 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:26,960 away from them I think um with the with 456 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:30,280 the what happened in mul the they think 457 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:32,679 it was some kind of a a conspiracy how 458 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:36,000 the Army sort of defected suddenly just 459 00:20:32,679 --> 00:20:38,440 like that I mean the Army was strong 460 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:41,039 they were there the information we have 461 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:43,880 is a lot of the generals um took their 462 00:20:41,039 --> 00:20:47,880 clothes off took bribes possibly I mean 463 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:51,760 we can't tell uh but when the soldier so 464 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:53,400 um their generals are defecting and um 465 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:56,000 as well as Isis is very clever with 466 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:58,760 their propaganda they use these horror 467 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:02,200 um and they scare people so a soldier 468 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:04,760 who is maybe 25 26 things if my general 469 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:08,440 is not standing to defend the city why 470 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:10,799 should I um and it it it is definitely 471 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:13,360 some kind of a a conspiracy it doesn't 472 00:21:10,799 --> 00:21:17,600 augure well though for the ability of 473 00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:20,400 Iraq to repel these uh people it it took 474 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:22,720 it took the Iraqi Authority by surprise 475 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:26,000 um like I said maybe there was some kind 476 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:27,919 of a a conspiracy but now forces are 477 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:31,360 Gathering can I just mention a point 478 00:21:27,919 --> 00:21:35,679 about ing the Iraqi Army the US they've 479 00:21:31,360 --> 00:21:37,880 not been so good lately with after 2011 480 00:21:35,679 --> 00:21:40,760 when the Iraqi government refused to 481 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:43,240 sign an extension for um the American 482 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:47,000 forces to stay in Iraq the Americans and 483 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:48,919 the Congress um they delayed arming the 484 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:51,120 Iraqi Army even though the Iraqis had 485 00:21:48,919 --> 00:21:53,120 paid for the arms yes I mean it got to 486 00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:55,400 the point where there was an article in 487 00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:57,720 writers um in November last year 488 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:59,720 November 2013 the Iraqi government got 489 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:02,240 so desperate they had to sign an arming 490 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:04,120 deal with Iran breaking the sanctions 491 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:07,400 against Iran just to get some weapons I 492 00:22:04,120 --> 00:22:10,240 mean the airplanes there are no the 493 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:12,039 Iraqi government had to buy airplanes 494 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,279 from Russia because the the Americans 495 00:22:12,039 --> 00:22:16,440 wouldn't Supply us with one and it was 496 00:22:14,279 --> 00:22:19,080 only one of them and still as far as I 497 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:21,080 know it's either being shipped one F6 498 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:23,440 F16 or it hasn't even been shipped yet 499 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:25,640 so the the the American forget them and 500 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:28,559 uh and get my money back uh if I were 501 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:31,360 you just one last uh Point how do people 502 00:22:28,559 --> 00:22:34,840 watching this give support to your 503 00:22:31,360 --> 00:22:37,520 campaign this no to Isis # no to Isis we 504 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:40,279 uh we need uh to raise awareness um we 505 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:42,440 need um the British public know that 506 00:22:40,279 --> 00:22:45,240 this organiz the so-called Islamic State 507 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:47,640 they're not Islamic um and not Islamic 508 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:49,200 not a state not Islamic and well I mean 509 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,520 the state but it's they're working on it 510 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:54,400 so we don't know how that's going to 511 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:58,559 develop um it's Humanity against those 512 00:22:54,400 --> 00:23:01,720 evil barbaric Force um and um we 513 00:22:58,559 --> 00:23:03,600 shouldn't be saying it's their problem 514 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:06,320 let them deal with 515 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:08,919 it the Civilized world I mean if we go 516 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:10,760 back and say imagine we are 164 or 16 517 00:23:08,919 --> 00:23:12,799 something before the uh religious War 518 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:15,679 started in Europe um you have the 519 00:23:12,799 --> 00:23:17,640 Civilized well we should contribute to 520 00:23:15,679 --> 00:23:19,520 stop this from happening in in the 521 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:22,520 Middle East we we can't just sit back 522 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:25,640 and watch it happening so no to Isis is 523 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:29,000 the hashtag to follow and from there 524 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:31,320 you'll uh try to organize activities to 525 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:33,440 widen an understanding of this whole 526 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:37,520 thing Muhammad Hariri thank you very 527 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,520 much indeed for joining us on the 528 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:42,440 sputnic and now it's your turn to tell 529 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:44,640 us what you think through the portals of 530 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,960 social media what's rattling gy well 531 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:49,320 here's a post from the UK prime minister 532 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:51,240 saying NATO is an international military 533 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:53,440 and political Alliance keeping 900 534 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:56,000 million citizens across the world safe 535 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,880 and secure with the world map actually 536 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,000 he's dragging us to the brink of war 537 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:03,159 that would be a more accurate way of 538 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:05,200 describing the role of NATO quite quite 539 00:24:03,159 --> 00:24:06,880 bin Mahmud replies as well well here in 540 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:09,360 Newport the police are telling local 541 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:12,679 shops to board up their Windows uh Bill 542 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:14,240 Marquez adds that NATO aka the North 543 00:24:12,679 --> 00:24:17,120 American terrorist 544 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:19,400 organization um is redundant they should 545 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:21,720 have begun winding it up after 546 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,880 1989 now it's just cruising for ab 547 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:26,480 bruising to justify its own budget and 548 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:29,640 reason for existing very well put I mean 549 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:33,679 NATO was supposedly an answer to the 550 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:36,000 Warsaw Pact uh but the Warsaw Pact is 20 551 00:24:33,679 --> 00:24:37,760 years gone and most of the countries 552 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,840 that were in the Warsaw PCT are now in 553 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:44,480 NATO so what's the justification uh for 554 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:46,919 this defense against whom against what 555 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:49,720 it's an anti-russian anti-chinese 556 00:24:46,919 --> 00:24:52,039 military Alliance it's a provocation 557 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,720 yeah and as Mark Atkinson says NATO is 558 00:24:52,039 --> 00:24:56,200 just a dangerous tool in the hand of 559 00:24:53,720 --> 00:25:00,399 fools on Iraq we ask the people what 560 00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:02,679 lies ahead for them uh RM replies I Isis 561 00:25:00,399 --> 00:25:04,919 are just a bloodthirsty death cult looks 562 00:25:02,679 --> 00:25:07,520 like its Master Frankenstein is out of 563 00:25:04,919 --> 00:25:09,840 control and our own beloved William H 564 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:12,279 says that is will do a great job 565 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:15,240 destroying what's left of Iraq after all 566 00:25:12,279 --> 00:25:19,279 they've been trained by the best Ash 567 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:21,640 CIA very big mystery as to who Isis 568 00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:23,880 really are who they're really working 569 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:26,080 for well that's all that we have got for 570 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:28,320 this week which alas means that's the 571 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,640 end of the show do please keep 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