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welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world

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with me George Galloway and me gri

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events are moving in the USA as

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elsewhere at a frantic Pace Obama

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increasingly taking on the appearance of

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a lame duck looking as redundant to

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events as a Stonehenge pillar a memory

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of what once was or rather could have

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been the go-to person in America is now

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Hillary rodam Clinton shaping up for a

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dynastic rematch with Jeb Bush brother

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of the genius George W son of the

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Sinister George HW our good friend Stacy

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Harbert has been dodging the bullets

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fired by the increasingly militarized

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police over there and I'm glad to say

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she's back in one piece over here to

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tour the North American Horizon with us

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on the Sputnik Stacy welcome back from

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your quite long American sojourn you

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must have absorbed the news agenda

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over there tell us what struck you most

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about that news agenda well the biggest

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story while we were there was the

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Ferguson Missouri story where a white

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police officer shot dead a teenager for

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jaywalking which many Europeans might

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not know what jaywalking is it's

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consider if you walk across the street

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from one sidewalk to the other okay and

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he was stopped and apparently gave some

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lip back to the police officer and he

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shot him dead

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but the thing that was remarkable about

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it is yes there is a race issue across

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the United States always but this

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unified people in terms of the shock at

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the military looking response yeah they

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were done up like uh Special Forces yeah

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well exactly and they had military

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vehicles they had snipers as if for a

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war yeah yes and that was brought up by

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many people many reporters many uh

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reporters that had been in war zones

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over in Iraq in Afghanistan were shocked

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to see this now many Americans were not

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aware since 2005 the Department of

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Homeland Security has given 4.5 billion

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in Grants for local governments state

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governments City governments across the

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United States to purchase former

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military equipment from the Pentagon um

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it's a program called 1033 they've

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bought 12,000

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bayonets bayonets policeman with

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bayonets wait I thought that was the the

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last time I ever heard of that was like

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the US Civil War but they also bought M

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wraps uh which are these uh mil um mine

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resistant ambush protected Vehicles IE

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to protect from

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IEDs uh brever County in Florida which

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is home only to 500,000 people they've

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bought eight Apache helicopters the

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Boeing ad uh 64 DS so those are Attack

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Helicopters eight so so Boris Johnson's

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water look like a Min compared that well

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exactly but it's an issue people it was

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shocking to see and people across the

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political Spectrum were shocked to see

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this so it wasn't just a question in

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Missouri then I had put it down to

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overzealous police Chiefs in in in

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Missouri but it seems like it's a

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national issue in the specific location

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of Ferguson Missouri there was the race

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issue but it for for it's a black Place

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yeah Ferguson yeah 67% of the population

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is African-American the police force

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there is entirely white so you can't

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deny that that was an issue there

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however it you know you were talking

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about the political race for president

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in 2016 I think you're going to see more

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of a this civil liberties is going to be

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on the table in that election and you

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saw the Two Front Runners I know you

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said bush in there but I think that's

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not going to happen uh Jeb Bush has

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formed a private Equity Firm investing

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in oil and natural gas as many seem to

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be doing these days but on the national

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stage I think the two main contenders

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are going to be Hillary Clinton and Rand

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uh you know powerful statements about

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Ferguson Missouri actually and they both

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mentioned race uh Rand Paul said that

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anybody who denies that this is a race

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issue uh is you know deluding themselves

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yeah and he said but the more important

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issue for everybody across America is

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the civil liberties here we are

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militarily occupied it looks like a

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military occupation and you know police

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forces are supposed to protect the

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population from criminals not uh occupy

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them no this dominated the news I'm

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thinking therefore that Britain didn't

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uh occupy much news in the United States

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you were making the point that in

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America you could forget the rest of the

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world exists you really can I mean the

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outside world does not exist other than

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then some they they do focus on

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terrorist stories but you know you don't

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even know they don't even really focus

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on where it is in the world it's the

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Middle East whether it's Libya Syria

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Iraq they can't they just say the Middle

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East over there but they never talk

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about Europe Europe does not Factor

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especially the UK does not factor in

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nobody you never I forgot you existed

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here but despite despite the special

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relation yeah well it's a special

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relationship which is one way uh it's

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the kind of special relationship Miss

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Linsky had with uh President Clinton

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which brings me yes to uh I take your

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point about Jeb Bush not so sure that

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Jeb will not run and if he runs I'm sure

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that he'll win uh the nomination I mean

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not necessarily the presidency but let's

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focus on Hillary for a minute uh Bill

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Clinton back in the White House all be

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at this time unlicensed to play with the

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interns Hillary very much wearing the

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she must be a strong front

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runner yes even on Fox News they're

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saying Hillary is going to be next

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president um she's in Iowa this coming

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week and of course that's where she

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famously lost to Barack Obama in the

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primaries uh nobody had heard of him

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before then she's there this week at the

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harken steak fry which is the event for

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how you do for the Democrat she's with

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President Clinton uh he is his favorite

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ability ratings are very good so people

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love him in America and they remember

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that was the last good times we had in

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America when the economy was still

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strong before the housing bubble collaps

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before the stock market bubbles the

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NASDAQ and the and the Dow Jones

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collapse so I think uh he's more of a

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positive this time and he learned from

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the mistakes he made during the last uh

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season on the you know on the stump for

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Bill's not a problem yeah uh and uh if

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uh being a woman there for would seem to

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be her last hurdle if you like is

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America having had now a black president

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ready for a woman president yeah I mean

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2008 remember the big issue for the

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Republican party at that time was uh the

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issue of gay marriage and things like

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that that doesn't that's over it's been

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apparatus doesn't even want to talk

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about it anymore they know it's a vote

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Loser on the national stage it might in

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local areas but it's the Supreme Court

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of marijuana going on all across the us

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so that that's huge shock to me amazing

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so this so gunning down black people in

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Missouri but at the same time legalizing

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marijuana across the states yeah exactly

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but you know I think that's Rand Paul

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this is why I think he could actually be

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a a a contender against Hillary Clinton

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well let's talk about him he's the son

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of no Senator the son of uh um his

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father who also ran for president last

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time Ron Paul Ron Paul was running as a

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leftwing positions Visa the war and so

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on how different are Ron Paul and Ron

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Paul well remember Ron Paul won a lot of

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the primary votes B based on the

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millennial young people voting um this I

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this juncture remember just this week as

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less than 50% of the students are white

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so we're becoming a a different nation

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that old Republican white

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the future Rand Paul comes from Kentucky

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he's a senator for Kentucky it's you

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deep south of you know racism he spoke

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a about that not only do we need to stop

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this militarization and Foreign Wars but

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we have a problem with racism just like

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Nixon took us you know open the

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relationship with China I think it's

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going to need somebody like a Rand Paul

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a southerner a republican an Evangelical

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sort that's going to come out and say

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like this we need to move on Beyond this

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this is a post-racial sort of society

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for real big money would be behind Bush

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against him because the military

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industrial complex

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can't like ran Paul because he doesn't

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want to fight Wars around the world uh

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Jeb Bush has the magic name what makes

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you so sure that he's not going to throw

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he's he's told everybody that he's not

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States nobody the Fox News none of the

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news channels were covering Bush he's

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not he's not even considered at this

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point it was all about Rand Paul that's

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the that's the name you have you know

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he might he was remember of Vice

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presidental candidate last time but uh

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again he's he's more on that uh you know

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religious issues guy Paul Ryan and I

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don't think I think people I think it's

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beyond that now yeah so the culture wars

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wars will never be over there's always

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those issues but I I think the culture

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wars that the Republicans were fighting

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in a a different Millennials are

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different the the Browning of the

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population is no longer controlled by

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the white people as much so I think the

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different issues they're more people are

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more liberal Progressive so Stacy I saw

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the the butler recently which together

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with 12 Years a Slave the topic of which

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happening in the US the whole Revival of

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the the the dark past of the US yeah P

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it's relation P of the black black

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Americans an outbreak of guilt about the

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past uh I think it has to come to terms

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then we're at that point in Ferguson

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to and and move past it but again I

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obviously the Deep South is part of

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where that resentment has come from

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from the Civil War speaking of the

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bayonets you know that if he could I

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think he could actually bring some black

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vote into because there were a lot of

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black voters for Ron Paul as well there

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were Stacy we've toured The Horizon we

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could go on doing so but unfortunately

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we're out of time welcome back and

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thanks very much I think it's Hillary

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Clinton and Rand Paul that's my get bet

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yeah well uh if that's your bet it's

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also mine coming up after the break a

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Daily Telegraph Grande former Moscow

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based journalist Liam hallagan now on

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the home beat on The Sensational

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defection of a leading Tor MP to the UK

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independence party don't go

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away welcome back to Sputnik although

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something of a figure around Parliament

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Douglas Carswell was not a household

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name in many houses other than his own

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he is now by the simple and honorable

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step of crossing the floor and resigning

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from Parliament all in the one maneuver

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Douglas Coswell is now poised to win the

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most Sensational byelection victory

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since well my husband in Bradford West

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nobody summed up the Torpedoes heading

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towards the government's Hull like the

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telegraph star columnist Liam hallagan

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and he did so in the tor's own house

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journal the Sunday Telegraph which is

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why we're glad he's on board the Sputnik

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today Liam nice to see you tell us uh

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first what kind of man is Carswell well

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you know I'm not a ukip supporter um uh

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I want us to have a very thorough

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negotiation uh with Brussels and then

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I'll decide on the basis of that

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negotiation if I want us to stay in or

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leave the EU ukip of course want to

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leave the EU regardless having said that

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I applaud Douglas Carswell and as I said

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in the Sunday Telegraph I hope he wins

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in clacton Douglas isn't a personal

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friend of mine I've met him on several

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occasions I've read a lot of his

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prodigious written output and then you

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you know throughout those meetings and

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uh in his uh writings uh he struck me as

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an honorable extremely thoughtful uh man

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he doesn't only do his own research and

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come to his own conclusions even more

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importantly he's prepared to articulate

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those conclusions in public regardless

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of who is offended uh he could easily be

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uh a minister now he could easily be

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heading for the cabinet he's in his

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early 40s he's a very good media

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performer and he's extremely intelligent

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and he's one of the few Tory uh types uh

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if you will who has a common touch uh

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with his uh

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constituents I think he will win uh in

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in CLA and I think that's pretty clear

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well let's come to that because on the

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face of it it's a rock solid uh Tor seat

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the the Tor MP has in churchillian terms

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ratted uh and crossed the floor um

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you would think that the tourist could

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hold that seat but the polls show a

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record

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44% absolutely uh it is of course on

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paper at the moment a rock solid Tory

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seat but that's because um Douglas

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Carswell has nursed it um Clon of course

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uh albeit uh pre uh favorable to the

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Tories boundary change was a labor seat

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you have uh a lot of uh people in

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clacton still who are dependent on

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benefits and would be seen as natural

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labor OTS what's interesting though is

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that many of those are on board with

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Carswell now he's moved to ukip so the

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question is if he can hold a lot of his

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Tory natural Tory vote and attract some

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of the labor vote that previously would

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have voted against him uh by default

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because he was uh and is uh uh

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psychologically if you like a Tory but

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when David Cameron responds to Douglas

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carswell's move by saying this is very

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bizarre very odd very strange he looks

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completely out of touch not not

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necessarily because Carswell has joined

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ukip but beyond that in many ways

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Carswell isn't a ukip man uh he's

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extremely liberal in Tory terms on

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immigration he's far more sophisticated

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than he's not a red in tooth and Claw

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Tory he's a glad stonan liberal as he

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often says himself uh he's for many

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years uh since he's been in Parliament

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been making over churs towards um

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improvements uh in our public life

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compared to when he was a Youngster the

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our attitude towards uh people with

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disabilities to women's issues and so on

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he's really you know right on and I know

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he's got a lot of friends uh in

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Parliament on the labor side who admire

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him admire so so he isn't a kneejerk

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tooran he is his own man and so he he

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represents him many ways this kind of

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anti-politician

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politician uh but not a kind of rock

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hurling anti-politician politician

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somebody who who uses the uses

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parliament in an extremely sophisticated

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way and then again also you got to look

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at the uh whether or not his defection

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will lead to others I mean there are

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names that you and I could mention it

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would be unfair to do so a lot of people

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are on maneuvers um it will be very very

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interesting to see I was just going to

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ask you that what does it all mean uh

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does it mean the Tor party is beginning

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a kind of historic cleavage uh an

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organic division uh between the pro and

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anti- European forces well if they

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formally split in my view that will and

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that will um condemn the Tories to

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opposition for um you know at least two

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or three Electoral Cycles uh I think

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what it means and you can see it already

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from uh uh what number 10 is briefing is

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that um David Cameron will be pushed

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more and more towards what Douglas

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Carell's previous um uh colleagues uh uh

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on the on the Tory benches one of course

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um you know the likes have burn there's

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a limit to what how far they can go sure

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and it's a very very subtle game isn't

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it uh there there are many Tory back

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benches of course who are um Euros

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Skeptics um and of course they've had to

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um be seen on the airwaves in recent

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days condemning Carswell and it was an

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error and he's misguided I won't call

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him a traitor we've known each other a

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long time but I think he'll regret his

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decision of course I have to say that in

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public but they know that what he's done

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has catalized number 10 and now you have

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Cameron's minions briefing that oh uh he

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may actually uh the position was uh he

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will negotiate and then campaign to stay

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in but now he's saying he'll negotiate

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and if he doesn't like the outcome of

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the negotiation he may even campaign to

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take us out but of course he had it's

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crazy he's had to be forced to this

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position anyone who's done anything

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outside of politics in their life any

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kind of business who's lived in the real

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world felt any kind of financial

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insecurity which of course he hasn't

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knows that you have to go into a

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negotiation prepared to walk away yeah

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yeah and he's finally got to a position

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where it looks as if now almost whether

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or not he say on the record he might

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save it up for Tory conference or for or

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for later it looks as though he is now

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prepared to at least say he might walk

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away um why didn't he say that earlier

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and it would look so much more

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convincing if he hadn't been had to have

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been dragged to this position Kicking

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and Screaming by fear frankly because of

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what Doug Douglas Carwell has done and

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what others may do uh uh in in in in the

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light of his almost certain electoral

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success in you know this even if you w't

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openly ConEd it the the history uh all

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hither to uh is the history of class

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struggle now the British ruling class oh

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we can talk about class if you want the

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the capitalist class does not want to

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leave the European Union it knows that

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it would be if not beggared then Gravely

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harmed by leaving the European Union so

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a Tor part party cannot actually

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withdraw from the European Union you you

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know I I'm not sure that's true that

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with all respect to you um uh and I know

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you also say say what you you believe uh

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uh based on on your research and so on I

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think back in the early ' 70s in the

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runup to the the previous referendum we

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had you I was I was I was a no voter

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then I I I was a peashooter then four or

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five four or five years old I do

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remember uh and obviously subsequently

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studied that you big parts of the labor

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party were no there was that kind of

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Trade union no uh the benites uh and

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quite you know also yeah right the way

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across the party to the sort of you know

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to the soft Center and even to some part

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the part of the soft right who wanted to

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be outside the European and there was

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this sense that it was a rich man's club

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and so on I would say now that yes you

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have the sort of accountants and the

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lawyers

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uh uh and so on uh and the sort of

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business implementers who want us to be

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in the EU because they benefit hugely

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from the of legal morass and the

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accounting morass that it generates but

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you know the big wielders of capital

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they won't say it openly uh because they

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don't want to be seen to rock the boat

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they leave that to um you people like

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you and me prepar to put their head over

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the parit but I think increasingly the

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big wielders of capital are extremely

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concerned about creeping regulation uh

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endless bureaucracy and also about the

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the the the anachronistic side of of of

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what the EU represents you know when my

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kids hit the job market my oldest

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daughter's 14 uh Britain should be doing

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far more trade with the world outside of

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the EU than within the EU we're so

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focused on the EU and what we should be

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doing and I think this is a a correct

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part of the the ukip message though a

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lot of Tories say it as well and even

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the prime ministers give service to it

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we should be training much much more

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with the Emerging Markets the markets uh

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that are growing where people are

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getting wealthier the markets we

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desperately need to trade with to secure

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the prosperity of our children and our

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uh grandchildren you know this country

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does uh if you add up all the trade we

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do with the big four Emerging Markets

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Brazil Russia and India and China is

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less than the trade we do with Belgium

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which for a trading Nation with the

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English language and all the historic

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ties we have it is is ridiculous does it

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does that reflect in the economy I I

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think it does I don't think we you know

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we've had we have an enormous balance of

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payments uh deficit which is which is

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ridiculous given you know our our our

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place in the world culturally and

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economically uh whereas the Germans are

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completely outclassing us on this front

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the German economy for all the

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difficulties it has is far more future

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approved in terms of the markets it's

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one in the fast growing countries uh

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emerging Giants of the make better

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things than us they do make better

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things they do they do make they do make

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better things than us maybe that's part

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of the problem we've talked about what

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all this means for David Cameron what

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does it mean for Nigel farage will he be

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overshadowed slightly by a Carswell

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victory in whenever this byelection is

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that's a real politician's question

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that's four or five uh moves ahead in on

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on on the chess board I'm always

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thinking well I think I think I think

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Nigel farage um um to take a lot of

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credit for what's happened uh you know

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the political earthquake that is ukip

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the the the incredible success in in the

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local elections and as I say I'm not a

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ukip supporter but the fact that he's

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got people of the caliber and

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credibility of Douglas Carswell joining

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the party available to be in whatever

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kind of you know shadow shadow cabinet

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they they they put together Douglas will

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surely attract others both from within

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and outside Parliament to join you K

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well uh uh just remember you heard it

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here first the deadly upas tree is

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deadly because nothing can grow in its

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shade and njel farage is a deadly upas

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tree so we'll see how he gets on with

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these uh new stars coming onto the chess

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Port Liam helan the telegraph lucky to

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have you thank you very much thank

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you and now it's your turn to tell us

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what you think through the portals of

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social media what's rattling gatri well

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on the prospect of Hillary becoming the

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next American president the people

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responded quite horrified Liberty says I

578
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hope not but it'll be business as usual

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whom ever gets in in regards to the Tory

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Defector Charles McGrath says a storm in

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a teacup or a sign of change some

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backbend stories may follow and give

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ukip foot hold before 2015 and I can't

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help but mention our beloved William he

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again who answers that peasant thought

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he start a Revolt yet backbenches merely

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saw his deflection as revolting and

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that's it for this week which sadly

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means that's the end of the show do

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please keep in touch with us on Twitter

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goodbye from me gri and from me George

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Galloway it's been

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marvelous

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oh