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welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world

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with me George Galloway and me gatri a

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state of total confusion Reigns in

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Western capitals over what to do about

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the catastrophe unfolding in Syria and

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Iraq the UK foreign secretary Philip

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Hammond rules out Britain going back to

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war in Iraq and is instantly repudiated

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by David Cameron still at the time of

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recording the British prime minister who

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insists that quote all options remain

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open in the US things are no more clear

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there the commander-in-chief of the US

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military President Obama is impudently

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contradicted by the top military bras

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the President says that there will be

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absolutely no American boots on the

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ground and yet the generals including

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the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of

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Staff tells the Senate armed services

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committee that there will be in fact

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boots on the ground if necessary Cameron

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claims he can bomb Isis in Syria from

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over Syrian airspace without the

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permission of the Syrian government the

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said Syrian government is armed and

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dangerous and entirely within its legal

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rights to shoot down any and all

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military aircraft over their territory

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and has the military hardware to do so

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neither the us nor the UK governments

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who some argue caused a disaster in the

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first place have any intention of

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helping the actual government of Iran

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Iraq a government only in power because

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of them and they won't even deliver to

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Bagdad the weapons and planes they have

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already paid for even though Isis is at

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the gates in Paris this week a summit of

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the Great and the gruesome came together

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to discuss the existential threat of

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Isis but the two countries actually

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doing something meaningful about that

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threat Syria and Iran were of course not

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invited confused you won't be after

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you've heard our first guest Hass risby

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a commentator on the region and part of

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digital resistance hasib welcome to the

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show tell the viewers first of all how

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things are on the ground now in Iraq

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what territory does Isis hold who's

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fighting them are there any uh

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indications of a change of in the

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military situation on the ground so the

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situation is a bit uh it varies um from

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parts to Parts but primarily uh we're

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talking about about Northeast Syria and

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Northwest Iraq being under heavy Isis

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influence um not necessarily blanket

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control but heavy segments of those

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areas um and within those areas that

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they have control um there's various

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battles taking place uh along the

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borders of those those regions that they

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control so for example they're fighting

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with Kurds um they're fighting against

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other Syrian Rebel groups such as

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al-nusra and the Islamic front um as

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well as I think the free Syrian Army as

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well um and towards Iraq they're

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fighting obviously the Iraqi uh Armed

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you know defending their territory

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against uh you know further Isis

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expansion so at the moment Isis are

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involved in a lot of uh battles and SC

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lot fighting they're fighting quite a

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few people at the same time to be honest

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with you and um the the recent kind of

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resurgence of the Iraqi Armed Forces as

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well as support from the you know us air

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strikes and stuff has um prevented you

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know further expansion um but they're

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show showing no sign of stopping um and

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that's kind of worrying they seem to be

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still you know going about their

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day-to-day executions in in a in a very

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kind of you know sophisticated and uh

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well planned U Manner and they're still

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controlling major Iraqi cities

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example in in the in the city of raqa

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which is thought to be the place where

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they're carrying out these hideous

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execution of foreigners yeah yeah that

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part and you know various border border

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towns between Iraq and Syria uh where

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there is you know very loose control of

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of anything uh is where they're

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operating and and they have you know

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pretty good control over those areas now

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you mention US air strikes uh I'm of the

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in Vietnam I've seen them in Cambodia

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them in Afghanistan these are not

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meaningful US air strikes which leads me

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to wonder why if the United States was

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really as concerned about Isis as they

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say they are and that we should be

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they'd be bombing them a lot more

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seriously than they are these are very

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desilter very occasional and very small

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air strikes why absolutely um and and

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you know adding on to what you're saying

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uh they should have reacted much sooner

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one would imagine um it's taken them

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this long to kind of react to it whilst

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NRI Maliki you know was constantly uh

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pleading to America for you know support

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against the the the growing threat of uh

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you know militancy in his country but

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you know it it fell on deaf airs

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basically um but what you see is as soon

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as for example Isis started threatening

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the Kurdish region is when America all

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of a sudden started taking things

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serious there in the kurish region where

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their oil interests where the oil

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interests are and where they want to

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break Iraq up from there you go and and

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you know it's a strategic place for them

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uh you know the Kurdistan because you

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know you know the good ties with Israel

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for example and you know you heard

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stories about Kur Kurdistan you know

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selling oil to Israel you know just a

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matter of weeks after Isis took over and

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stuff like that completely illegally um

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but you see that America and the West

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generally only reacted then not when you

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know uh 2,000 or so uh Shia you know

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Army Cadets were massacred why can't the

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regional players sought this matter out

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themselves what you have at the moment

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is this very confusing kind of Blurred

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whilst Saudi Arabia and all these the

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these countries that essentially went to

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Paris for for for a day out were the

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ones essentially that kind of allowed

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Isis to exist in the first place you

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know through turning a blind eye to you

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know weapons and and and money being

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trafficked to them um and now they

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realize that you know it's it's going to

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come back to bite them so now they're

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trying to react but it's it's it's a bit

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too late because the people inside these

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countries already inside Saudi Arabia

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inside qat they they they've been fed

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the sectarian rhetoric already so they

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buy the Isis line very easily um you see

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already that you know um in in places

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like Jordan um and Saudi Arabia many

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Isis flags have been raised and you know

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of feel feeling threat exactly exactly

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so um to be honest with you Saudi Arabia

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or you know any of these suddenly Gulf

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just be uh counterproductive as well

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just as much as it would be for the us

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to do so um which then makes it another

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sticky situation that if Iran and Syria

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were the only ones to kind of uh attack

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Isis then it becomes Al you know sh are

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attacking sunnis there's a state of

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confusion there's no Islamic State but

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there's a state of confusion reigning uh

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over all this I mean even in ontological

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terms what exactly are Isis who are they

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what do they want Isis for you know if

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you try and simplify exactly what they

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are essentially is is is is is a

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collection of of

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angry and violent individuals that have

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notion of of you know a Califa under

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under some sort of Illusion that they're

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trying to do a good thing for the world

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um and and and their ethos is

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essentially being fed by something that

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wahhabism and salafism and I understand

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that obviously not all wahhabis and not

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all salafis are you know uh as Extreme

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as Isis however the the the the

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fundamentals behind uh these these um

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you know these sexs have have really

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spurred on uh the the kind of

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ideological principles for why Isis go

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about doing the things that they do and

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to go one above alqaeda with their

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ruthlessness they they decided that you

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know we're going to stand out you know

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this going to be our brand almost and

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and the way they they celebrate and

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glorify their violence and and and

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dehumanize those that they're killing uh

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it's it's actually pretty chilling and I

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don't think we've seen um you know a

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group or the end I mean during from the

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free Syrian Army we've already witnessed

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the most horrible scenes and they were

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the moderate ones by the way they were

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the moderates were heart eaters you mean

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seen Isis eating Hearts yet that's

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probably something that's uh still too

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come they behave like a kind of death

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cult there seems nothing Islamic about

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them I hate when people call them the

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Islamic State because they're neither

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Islamic nor are they a state

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uh how do they find any theological

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justification for the mass execution of

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helpless handcuffed uh prisoners in in

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uh wartime how do they justify

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theologically slicing off the heads of

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Aid workers and journalists that fall

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into their hands and videoing it

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uh for the entertainment presumably of

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their own side their their justification

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is essentially that anyone that

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disagrees with their very specific set

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of thoughts is is not worthy of Life

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essentially um especially when you're on

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on their land so um but it's not their

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land is it the person slicing the heads

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off of these uh American and British

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journalists are thought to be uh English

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yeah well they're from London that's

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that's the one thing that I don't

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confuse young men from London know

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growing up in this modern you know

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Global City and then back to their land

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is essentially this this the Islamic

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calipat land you know so you've seen the

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view of the picture I'm sure you've seen

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the picture of where they want to go

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eventually so they they they they've

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carved this section out for themselves

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and and whatever they say goes in this

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area you've I I've seen videos uh of of

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Scholars or sorry their clerics rather

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where they tell you that you know when

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you're cutting someone's head you should

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enjoy it it should it shouldn't be like

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you know when you kill an animal you

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should you know do that very mercifully

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he's an enemy of God you should enjoy it

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take your time um so it's very very

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disturbing there's this very kind of uh

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strong lust towards violence within this

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group um that is I don't think we've

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seen it before I I don't think I've seen

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a group like this before really hell on

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newspapers the guardian or something

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that that introduced uh Isis in the

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British media as heads a group that's

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worse than Al-Qaeda and that stood out

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to put it as in alqaeda they make

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alqaeda look like uh look like Boy

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hasib thanks for coming on board the

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Sputnik coming up after the break how is

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it that any Muslim returning from Syria

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to Britain is instantly arrested but

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British citizens serving in the Israeli

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Army can come and go to and from the

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Carnage as they please don't miss

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it and a lot of the focus and it's

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become a very political situation

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because neither Palestine nor Israel are

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signed up to the to the Rome statute we

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also have to to look at the fact that

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the United Kingdom is and countries such

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as France are also members and we know

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that there are uh British citizens

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French citizens and of course US

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citizens that are actively fighting with

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the IDF and we know that what the IDF

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has done in this particular incursion

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constitutes war crimes and crimes

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against humanity so there's absolutely

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no reason why if we are able to identify

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those British citizens that have

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actively engaged that that matter can't

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be referred to the international

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criminal court very much in the same way

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that the international criminal court is

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now um looking into a preliminary

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inquiry which is a precursor to an

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investigation um in relation to the

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conduct of uh British forces in

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Iraq that's uh good all very well but

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why doesn't the state Act act after all

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uh at least my reading of the law is

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that it is prohibited for British

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citizens to enlist in foreign armies

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fight with them and then return here and

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if that's true in general why isn't it

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true specifically for Israel well again

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we go back to the rather unfortunate

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situation is that there are rules that

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apply to the rest of the world and

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unfortunately there are rules that apply

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to Israel um I mean I've been quite open

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about this recently in relation to to

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double standards that are applied by

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both the UK and the US you know we see

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individuals who are uh teenagers who are

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who are detained tortured in custody but

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as soon as one of them has an American

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passport who's arrested then America um

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takes particular offense to that and the

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same as far as the UK is concerned the

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the sad reality is there should not be a

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different standard applied to those

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joining the IDF but there is but the law

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but the Law Officers must be uh culpable

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in that I mean the law the law if the

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Law Officers told the police that he

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throw to arrest people returning from

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Tel Aviv and question them as to whether

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or not they'd just been fighting in the

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IDF the police would have to do so of

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course yes but they don't ask these

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questions what what what you have to do

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is you you have to be able to provide a

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fairly compelling dossier to to law

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enforcement in this country um

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identifying individual uals to be able

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to to Target those individuals but but

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what is particularly disturbing is that

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there is no action being taken by these

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organizations that are um actually

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broadcasting the fact that they will

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help you get into the IDF and they will

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set you up and they will assist your

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family I mean this to me um is is just

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there's a whole Cottage uh industry uh

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here in support of the IDF uh it's open

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advertised uh in certain newspapers that

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you can donate to help the IDF and so on

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and as I understand it these uh soldiers

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are not hiding themselves certainly in

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the US their pictures are appearing

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glorifying it yes well actually um

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