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welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world

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with me George Galloway and me gatri

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none of the leaders of Britain's big

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three political parties are popular but

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there's unpopular and then there's Ed

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miliband having LED labor if LED is the

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right word to an embarrassing 29% in the

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polls in opposition to one of the worst

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governments in recent history now only

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14% of the British public think he's

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ready to be prime minister he's even

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less popular than Nick CL and believe me

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that's saying something cue the outbreak

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of good old-fashioned backstabbing in

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what was once the People's Party with

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Tales of letters being drafted calling

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on him to go and the metaphorical

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house call on the labor leader to tell

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him his time is up our first guest was

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once one of those gray suited men in

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fact he's a veteran of the Blair Brown

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fratricide who once got down and dirty

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in 10 Downing Street and survived to

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tell the tale he's a man who knows where

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the bodies are buried though again only

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metaphorically and he knows a thing or

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two about the dark arts of the inner

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party struggle and Intrigue much of it

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but I promise you he's still got some up

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his sleeve he's laid out in a blistering

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new book Power Trip a decade of policy

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plots and spin I'm delighted to be

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joined on The Show by demon McBride

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demon welcome I must say it's a terrific

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fantastic book I can't wait for the next

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Edition uh because I know you've kept

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one or two

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things that's right they don't want a

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sequel look it doesn't get much worse

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14% of the people think you're fit to be

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the Prime Minister Labor's at 29% in the

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polls which is uh Michael foot territory

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the Mr ster Landslide territory in

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1983 uh and only 6 months or so to go uh

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where do we go from here I don't know I

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think the first thing it would be nice

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to see is Ed millerand admitting some

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kind of problem exists and instead

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there's this just this Defiance just

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this head in the sand mentality that

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there is no problem I think that the uh

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if Michael F marked the last point at

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which a biblo file could be a political

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leader in Britain Ed millerand marks the

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day when the public will no longer vote

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for a speak your weight machine a

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characteristics that's why the demands

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on for someone like Alan Johnson isn't

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it who speaks human yeah and and that's

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why frankly he's he's even more

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unpopular than nickl even more unpopular

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than David Cameron because at least

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those guys who are deeply unpopular

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themselves have shown some sort of

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humanity people sort of feel they knew

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know something about them even with C

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it's just a sort of think well you know

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we don't like the way you betrayed us

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but with mban they feel they know

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nothing no they don't understand him at

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all the only thing people quote about

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him is that he stabbed his own brother

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in the back and all they see from him

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now is these high fluen speeches that

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connect with no one and resonate with no

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one and speak to nothing that is about

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their ordinary lives the key of those

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rambling Soliloquy at the labor

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conference about all the people he

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bumped into on Hamstead Heath surely he

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knows that was a catastrophic blunder

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that speech well I mean the bizarre

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thing about that was remember he left

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out a big section on the deficit and on

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have been if he included those things it

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would have been 80 minutes so what on

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was on this big stage this huge

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opportunity to reach the British people

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that that was the way to go I mean it

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just it's fathomless and that's what

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gives people no confidence that they can

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turn it around because it's not just

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you've made a mistake or you've made a

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gaff it's that the whole plan is wrong

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you've got no sense of how you should be

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presenting yourself to people I've been

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here before uh and Mia Copa uh I was was

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foot to run for the leadership quite

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quickly became apparent it was a

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disastrous Choice Dennis Healey might

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well have beaten uh Thatcher certainly

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would not have lost by the same amount I

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pressed the late John Smith God Rest his

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soul to tell Neil kinnick that he had to

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move aside because to me it was

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absolutely evident that Neil kinnick

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win can it happen is it just too late

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can Allan Johnson be pressed into coming

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forward I think having got through this

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week There's no way it's external

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pressure that forces Milan or or

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pressure from his own party the only

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thing that would possibly save us is he

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is intrinsically a good man and he

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believes in socialist causes he believes

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in the lab party and in his heart of

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hearts I would hope that at some point

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over the next two or three months he

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will sit down with people that just care

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about him and care about the party and

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aren't caring about their own seats or

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their own futures or their own careers

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and will just think well do I want to go

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down in history as leading this party in

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a winnable election to a terrible defeat

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and ask himself that question if he

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thinks that's what's going to happen and

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he's got no Prospect to tur it around I

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I hope he'd be the person to say look

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I've tried my best but it's not going to

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work out and I'm asking alen Johnson to

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come in and take over for the election

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that's almost the only thing I can see

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now now there's a rose tinted scenario

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here which is that somehow the Tories

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keep shooting themselves in the foot

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that somehow Milan finds his voice the

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expectations will be so low when he goes

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into the pre-election leadership debates

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that perhaps he surprises everyone with

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his eloquence and his arguments and I

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giving you the optimistic scenario but

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the danger is that EDM lean might just

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cling on to that optimistic scenario

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right the way to a week before the

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election and then realize it's too late

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and by that stage we're finished I don't

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like breaking this news to labor but

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this is the okay caral uh because

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Scotland will break away yeah if the

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Tories get back and then there'll never

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be a labor government again I'm not in

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labor but I want a labor government and

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the people I represent want a labor

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government need one to survive yeah uh

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so if I could just be heard by Alan

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Johnson whom I quite admire actually I'd

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say to him you have to show some signal

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you really have to but he's just also

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too nice a guy isn't he yeah and he will

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not not be the one to wield the knife he

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wasn't under go Brown remember even

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though people thought that he was he was

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the man to do so then and so he will not

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do it but labor and peas will not grasp

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this that this is the win or bust

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election and it's it's it's both because

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of what will happen in Scotland but as a

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consequence of that what that will allow

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to happen in England the Tories will

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drive through boundary changes which

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will totally change the composition of

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the elector you'll end up with a sort of

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right-wing Coalition sort of you know

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the Tories Coalition and then the

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dynamic of British

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politics and and it's a fearful scenario

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will just be drifting from uh center

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right that will be the dynamic of

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the workers to to have a chance of sort

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the election when it will change they

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quite wrong uh about that now the last

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thing I suppose the Ed millerand wanted

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to come riding over the horizon to give

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him his endorsement it was the dreaded

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Tony Blair endorsement uh this week how

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within a l part he's toxic within

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Britain at the moment and um you know he

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gets put into these scenarios where he

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still because of the sort of fantasies

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that go on in Blair's head he still

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still thinks of himself as wielding this

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great influence both with the party and

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with the British public and uh you know

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it's crazy I mean Ian if I was if I was

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at millerand I I I hope I hope I pray

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that Ed Milan did not actually caught

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that and think that would be useful to

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have Tony Blair saying that because what

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Ed Milan needs right now are the people

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that the British public trust the few

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that they trust within the L party to

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come out and say right this is the guy

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the reason he can't get them to come out

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trustworthy they speak the truth and I

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don't think they believe it themselves

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they're not prepared to uh to lie you

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Brown I have a a double-edged

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relationship with him he he said uh

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recently I was his mentor and his Tor

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Mentor uh but the one thing that we saw

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which we fought every day of uh is that

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Gordon Brown is very far from a man past

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it he emerged into that debate and saved

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the day Britain would not now exist if

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it were not for Gordon Brown that's

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quite a big claim to make but it's true

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yeah it's true though it wasn't

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recognized acknowledged by Ed Milan

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during the conference un

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he he thanked everybody who had actually

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almost lost the referendum and didn't

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thank the guy Gordon Brown who saved the

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referendum yeah uh why can't Gordon come

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out of retirement and lead the Scottish

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labor party lead the fight back against

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the SNP I fear he's the only man that

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it I sort of wish he would myself I

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think my sympathy with him is that you

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know how Riven the Scottish laad party

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is with internal Division and I don't

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he's very bad at managing if you like a

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playground of squabbling children he

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doesn't do it well um and you know you

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you'd like people to just sort of almost

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respect this Father Figure status and

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and all sort of settle down but that's

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not what you know that's not the way it

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sort of feuds going and he's he's been

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at the heart of that for the last 40

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years so and I don't think he thinks he

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can fix that and if you can't fix that I

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don't think he thinks he can fix the

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scottage well except there's not that

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much now that needs fixing in the sense

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that they're down to about 10,000

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members in the entire country as

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compared with the 880,000 members of the

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SNP so in a way what you would need is

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Gordon Brown given plenty potentially

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Powers uh to effectively close down what

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was there before and start a new but the

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one thing I I must tell you he's got is

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immense respect amongst the public in

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Scotland and I I don't actually think

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there's anybody else that comes remotely

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close to that MH yeah I mean I think you

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know it's the classic problem with

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Gordon I think he'd make a great first

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Minister from right now leading the

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charge but it's how to get there and I

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don't know whether he's got that kind of

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energy in him uh to to lead that I think

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I think where it's a sort of straight up

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and down yes or no fight Gordon's

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exactly the man you want making those

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convincing arguments in the way that he

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did in the for before the referendum but

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to sort of try and Stitch together that

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that party is is what you mean just

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finally then um you've never been a of

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course but you know how politics in the

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Heart of Darkness that is Westminster

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operates the Tories have their own

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problems uh Europe for all of the time

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nearly 30 years I've been in Parliament

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has been a fisure at the heart of the

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Tory party is it possible the Tory party

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itself could break apart over this well

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I think it's perfectly possible the way

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the best way labor might still win this

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election is the Tories imploding and and

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blowing themselves in the foot if you

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like because because the problem they've

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got is that for them another coalition

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government will not be enough they've

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spent they you know David Cameron has

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spent the last four years telling his

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backbenches if only we'd won a majority

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if only we can deliver a majority next

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time around we'll be able to do the

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things you want us to do if they can't

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do that then the T party tears itself

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apart again and you end up with this

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split um where some people will say well

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the only way of securing that is to

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throw a lot in totally with ukip and uh

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and that means abandoning support for

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Europe in a referendum and you know a

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significant chunk of the Tory will

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refused to do that and so I think they

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could tear themselves apart now and

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hopefully from my point of view they

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tear themselves apart before the

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election not not wait till after Jam

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McBride author of power trip it's a

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fantastic read I must tell you thanks

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for joining us after the break a report

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from the front in Syria the medical

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front that is where it must sometimes

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feel like the trenches of the first

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world war we'll be right

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back welcome back to Sputnik more than 3

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years into the Civil War and foreign

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invasion of Syria the medical services

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available to the hundreds of thousands

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of dead and wounded could scarcely be

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more strained sanctions and War have

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transformed a medical front in Syria

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into Killing Fields what Heroes

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therefore are the doctors and nurses who

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have remained at their post any of whom

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could have walked into a lucrative

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surgical job in the Gulf at any time yet

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in instead they have chosen to remain in

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their $100 a month sanctions bound and

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War torn country because well their

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dignity and honor is more important one

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such doctor is Mr Ahmed Al kadur

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cardiothoracic surgeon and the

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personification of that dignity and I'm

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glad to say he joins us now Mr Ahmed in

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your case it's even more extraordinary

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you were working and living here in

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Britain for the last 17 years in safe

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with decent salary uh but you've decided

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to go back to Syria in the midst of all

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of this why first of all thank you very

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much for this opportunity and the

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greeting to you to your uh program here

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from my people in

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Syria uh I in the beginning of this

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crisis I decided to go to Syria to do

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some charity operation and enjoyed it

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very much so uh some of the local

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charities wanted this trips to do uh

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heart surgery on my own people and uh

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with very cheap prices comparing to to

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England and then uh a few months back uh

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I found a lot of Syrian doctors decided

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to leave the country and to go outside

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uh for lucrative jobs as you mentioned

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in your introduction so I just and I got

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the opportunity to go and work in one of

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the uh main leading hospitals at

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Damascus University so I decided to take

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my family and go live there I enjoy

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helping my own people uh it's a good

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experience for me it's a progression in

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my

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career uh so I decided take this

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decision and uh go there uh offer my

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help uh encourage people uh encourage my

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colleague to stay there keep the country

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United in this difficult time and how is

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it is it uh as bad as it looks on

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television uh Damascus people people in

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Damascus uh they insist to

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live uh they insist to stay they insist

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to keep their countries

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United of course sanctions and the war

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affected the country very badly

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especially the health system uh Health

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surface comparing with NS for example in

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UK If we say before the crisis started

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let's say Syrian health system was

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offering 70% comparing to NSS now is

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about 30% let's say because of the

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sanctions because of the security uh

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people die they can't travel to Damascus

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the so the health uh the hospitals only

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available now in big cities like

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Damascus or Latakia taros uh all other

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places this war ruined the hospitals

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ruin the schools ruin this war ruin

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everything even the uh architecture

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Heritage which we've got uh I've been

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operating in

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Damascus uh people they come from all

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over Syria even they are freely to come

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from raka idb where are under control of

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Isis they travel to Damascus they took

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the trouble traveling to Damascus uh and

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appear operating on such a lot of people

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and do they stay or go back they go back

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after I do a hard job I say look please

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be careful of yourself I did a hard job

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I don't want you to lose your life on

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the way so now many people will be

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shocked that on top of all this there

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are sanctions on uh Syria uh I know

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intimately the regime of sanctions that

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was imposed on Iraq and what the

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consequences for the Health Care System

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were in that tell us about the sanctions

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well because of the sanctions uh Syria

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transferred from exporter to medicine to

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uh to getting as much as possible bit

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and pieces from there and there the

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trader refused to to sign long-term

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contract with hospitals because of the

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currency instability they cannot sign a

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long-term contract of supply for

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hospital so I end up buying uh little

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bit there little bit there with double

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or trouble the price and that raise the

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cost of everything Health Service the

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equipment equipment sometimes is not

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available so we have to stop operation

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for silly things sometimes something not

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available uh because of the security uh

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on the road uh some Supply didn't reach

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a hospital where I I've been working for

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example we we had to stop the service

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for a week because there was a lack of

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oxygen because the oxygen Factory uh a

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uh controlled by by uh these Rebels so

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they didn't reach the hospital so a lot

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of difficulties going on but we're

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trying to do our best to keep the

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systems going a lot of people I can see

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a lot of people are dying because they

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couldn't reach the hospital on time if

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if you got an emergency overnight nobody

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uh uh could have travel overnight

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because it's not safe to travel to the

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hospital so uh a lot of difficulty is

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associated with this war with the

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security situation in the country in

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Iraq uh the excuse was that medical

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material had a dual use that it had

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potentially military use as well as uh

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this they employed as a tactic against

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even pencils because a pencil can write

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a note or it can the graphite in it if

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you amassed 500 trillion pencils might

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make uh enough for a for a bomb uh the

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sanctions on Iraq were different though

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to the sanctions on Syria just explain

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what restrictions there are apart from

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the currency

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instability yeah we cannot import a lot

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of materials for example I do hard

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surgery I need a lot of equipment from

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major companies major major companies

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not allowed to to to to send materials

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to Syria because of

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sanctions most of the Traders they uh

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their accounts uh outside uh being

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closed because they are they got

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Connection in Syria uh so uh most of

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Traders they they left their business

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because they couldn't afford to to to

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bring into Syria uh any any products or

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any medical products uh medicines or or

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equipment for operations or or

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instruments for the hospitals itself

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even as I said to you local Supply is

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even sometimes difficult to transport

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between factories and the hospitals so

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all this contri Ed to to the healthy

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crisis so do you receive equipment in

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different ways and maybe through

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Charities or invo sometimes Charities

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sometimes personal helps as I said we we

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have to to pay as I said double or

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trible the price of the same product is

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being sold somewhere else much much

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cheaper in in Lebanon or something we

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have to to get the same product to Syria

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with a trible price so what is the I

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mean there obviously the trauma injuries

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uh wounds and uh and so on from the

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actual fighting and explosions and so on

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but what are what are the other health

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impacts of living through this uh

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horrific uh period psychological illness

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for example must be multiplying multiply

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sometimes when when um I got my child is

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7 years old H before I convinced him to

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go there I said look my dad we have to

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go help my own people work but but he he

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said to me you can see on the TV people

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shopping heads and say Allah abbar where

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you we going to go and he was really

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scared it took me a while to convince

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him to go and uh really uh we he wake at

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night few times hearing the bombing from

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our he scared a few times and then uh I

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encouraged him that we have to stay we

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have to be brave this our homeland we

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need to keep United we we need to stay

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here otherwise we're going to lose our

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land forever like other people and now

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he start to realize and he's braver than

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before and this is in Damascus that's in

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Damascus so imagine imagine in homes

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about uh there was assassination a month

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back killed more than 50 children in one

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school in the m in homes but people in

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Syria insist to to stay and to to fight

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for their independent and to keep United

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and by the end of the day we don't want

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to lose Syria as we uh as as Iraqi

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people lost their Iraq you mention or

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Libyan lost Libya so I got many friends

548
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Libyan friend Iraqi friend they have no

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hope in the future I still got hope

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Syria will recover if we reach a

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peaceful

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agreement by negotiation by spreading

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the peace Mission by by by the help of

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real friend of Syria real friends who

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can go to Damascus and and announce a

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meeting of reconciliation from Damascus

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itself we don't want the friends outside

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the uh

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funding uh terroristic group there and

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there for uh for other goals you see how

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can uh in a word or two uh how can

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people help your work I think uh

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sanctions affecting normal people this

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should be lifted

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immediately

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sanctions I think real friends of uh

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Syria uh should help uh Syria by pushing

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into uh negotiation and uh peaceful uh

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agreement between all syrians between

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all syrians the talk should be between

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all serence between all parties without

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excluding anybody and I'm pretty sure uh

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uh the situation uh without Outsider

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interference will be much better I think

575
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the situation got inflamed by uh by The

576
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Outsiders well I'm I'm practically

577
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speechless uh so it remains only for me

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to thank you for coming on

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and now it's your turn to tell us what

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you think through the portals of social

581
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media what's rattling gri well how deep

582
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is the crisis in at with labor actually

583
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Steve Connor makes a point that if melet

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stood down now he's been he would be

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seen as a crumbling under pressure and

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labor would suffer as a result and where

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will Western policy end in Syria takes

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replies that the West wants another Iraq

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and Libya but Palestine is also at stake

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if false undoubtedly the Palestine

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question and Syria are now as they have

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always been inextricably

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entwined uh but uh it seems to me that

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the cour is set in Syria for perhaps

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decades more of this war of attrition I

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really don't see any ending uh even in

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my lifetime I must

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say well unfortunately that's all that

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we've got for this week and

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unfortunately that's the end of the the

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show please keep in touch with us on

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Twitter you can find us on rtor Sputnik

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and on Facebook on Sputnik on Russia

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today it's goodbye from me and from me

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George Galloway it's been marvelous

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