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welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world

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with me George Galloway and me gri that

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champion of other people's freedom

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President Barack Obama whose regime is

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currently gunning down its own people

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especially if they're black ran for

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office with a pledge to shut down

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Guantanamo Bay the United States own

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Gulag in an occupied corner of Cuba six

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years on it's still there and being EXP

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expanded at Great public expense

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widespread torture physical and

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psychological Force feeding a legal

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black hole GMO is a spot which will not

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out for the land of the free home of the

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brave for Obama it will be yet another

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sign of a presidency which sank in

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disgrace Shaker Amar is the last British

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hostage held by our closest Ally in the

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cages of Guantanamo even though the

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British government has demanded his

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release and consecutive us governments

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have ConEd that he has no case to answer

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and yet 12 years and 9 months later he's

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still there we're joined today by two

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remarkable campaigners fighting for him

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to come home before he dies at the hands

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of President Obama Joan McKinnis and

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Andy wton welcome to the Sputnik but

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before I talk to you let's see what

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happened when gatri talked to some

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rather important members of the public

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outside Parliament this week oh

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oh it's so outrageous that sha amama has

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been in Guantanamo Bay for over 12 years

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without charge or trial that is

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completely against the principles of

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Justice even George Bush cleared Shaker

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for release yet the British government

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and the American government today have

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failed to get him freed is in his

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testimony he he he spoke um long and

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passionately about how he was locked in

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rooms in the Middle East with people

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MI5 uh if not beating him over the head

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with baseball bats themselves but

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witnessing it and writing it down and

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making certain that you know that he was

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severely tortured

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I suspect the real reason he hasn't been

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released is because the British and

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American authorities are afraid that if

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he does get free he'll reveal the high

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level collusion uh of the British

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Security Services um with various you

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know unknown things that they don't want

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the world to know so there is a

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complicity in the secret Services of the

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United Kingdom which they don't want to

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they do not want him to be able to speak

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about when he's free and believe you me

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will I've you know I've read this guy's

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letter you only have to read the letter

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to know what is he's got the Heart of a

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Lion well done you for the star power

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you assembled there on that uh protest

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uh we'll come to the campaign in a

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minute but first of all tell the viewers

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what a exactly did shakar Amar do to

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deserve all of this well you know he was

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in Afghanistan when the uh United States

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was rounding people up to puss in

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Guantanamo um so you know like many of

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the people who were in Afghanistan he

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says he was there for humanitarian Aid

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um the United States has not presented

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anything that looks like evidence to

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suggest that that's not the case uh we

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launched this on Monday the 24th of

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November the 13th anniversary of when he

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was apparently captured by bounty

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hunters and he ended up being handed

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around a bit and was then sold onto the

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United States who shipped him with all

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these other people to Guantanamo where

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people are the worst of the worst but

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actually behind the scenes they had no

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idea who they'd mostly bought no it's

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amazing that even George Bush cleared

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him for release but he's still here uh

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in Guantanamo six years into Barack

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Obama's presidency how does that happen

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well that of course is the key question

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George why why is that the case

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um he was approved for for release out

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the prison as you say by a military

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review board under President Bush or

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actually he was told that they didn't

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want to hold him there isn't paperwork

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for that but there are the documents

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comprehensive review of all the

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prisoners he'd inherited from George W

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bush um in which he is one of the

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prisoners that they don't want to carry

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on holding so he's still there now in

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the majority of the cases of prisoners

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you know Barack Obama has been up in a

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battle against Congress Congress has

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raised all kinds of obstacles to the

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release of prisoners generally saying to

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him we don't trust the kind of home

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countries that these guys are from we

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don't think you should be sending them

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back and throughout all of this George

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you know they can't make a case about

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the United Kingdom being a dangerous

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country to send somebody back to clearly

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monitor Shaka armor should that be the

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case so it's it's inexplicable there

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must be some reason some other reason

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Joan I said in the introduction that the

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British government was demanding his

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released but they can't be demanding it

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very loudly or very forcefully because

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David Cameron would just need to pick up

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the phone and say on the phone bring him

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home it just just why not and they if

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you write to the foreign office you

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write that they say oh he's cleared for

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release um we're doing everything we can

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but how can that be possible how can

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self-evidently not true because Britain

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is the so-called closest Ally if it

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really was damaging relations between

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Britain and the United States the US

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would send him back he's been cleared

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for release uh he's one guy he would be

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being sent to a country as Andy says

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that where he would certainly be

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Parliament tell you how hard are they

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trying well my local Member of

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Parliament has um is Andy Slaughter and

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he stood with our giant inflatable that

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we had made for our campaign called we

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Stan mashaka so he's actually um been

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quite proactive what about Shaker's MP

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her line is that she can't as a minister

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stand yeah I mean she was you know she

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was making representations on shaka's

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behalf and then she's now been coopted

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into the government so that's kind of

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removed the ability to do that but I

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think George it's at the it's at the

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highest level I mean really this is this

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when you look at it obviously we know

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shakar armor is an eloquent man who

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knows a lot about things that have

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happened what's his background what was

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he he W he well he came to Britain in

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the '90s he's got a British wife British

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kids I believe that he was working on

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translation stuff legal documents he's

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always been somebody that people have

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said went out of his way to help other

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people you know that's that's why he was

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in Afghanistan but he he knows a lot so

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we understand that it would be

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embarrassing for him to be released but

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both the British and the American

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governments have proved very Adept over

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all these years of the war on terror of

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not being held accountable in any

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courtroom for what they've been doing so

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it's a question of embarrass they've

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made a judicious use of uh hush money to

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a variety of people around the world in

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this country in in the States President

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that that no alleged V torture victim

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has got anywhere near a courtroom um but

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you we just we end up hitting this brick

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wall where no one they bounce it from

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one side to another the British are

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particularly good at bouncing it back

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and saying this is the Americans problem

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now what what we think and I I don't

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think this is very clear publicly but

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what's been discussed over the years and

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Shaka spoke about it years ago um if he

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could be sent back to Saudi Arabia which

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is what which is what it appears the the

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United States wants to do then he

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wouldn't be able to talk now you know it

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may very well be George that the United

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Kingdom government would be quite happy

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for that to happen should that be

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possible but the thing that I think we

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have an obligation to do in Britain is

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to say you can't do that no he was he

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was a British resident he has a British

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wife and British children how are they

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standing up to 12 years n months

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apparently not so well um they don't get

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involved very much with the campaign

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they're trying to live their lives but

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his youngest child is never met his

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youngest child was born on the day that

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uh Shaka was sent to Guantanamo so tell

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us about this campaign we've got this

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for now which I'll show you this is our

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we stand with Shaka

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campaign and what we're asking we've

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asked all sorts of um MPS George and and

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many others representing all the parties

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to stand with this inflatable for um we

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stand with shacker campaign I've done it

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already yeah you've done it we've got a

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great picture and we've tweeted you and

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that went well so we're tweeting we're

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putting these pictures on Facebook and

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journalists and actors and comedians

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people who have a profile who who are

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prepared to stand go light on the MPS

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and heavy are on well with the election

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coming up we're really urging people and

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we're going to take pictures of

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candidates who are running so make it

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you know have you stood with Shaker so

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considering he's been incarcerated for

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12 years under severe torture are people

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surprised to see him smiling on on that

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giant inflatable yeah the reason he

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smiles is because uh in his two pictures

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is there just two since he's been in

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guantan he smiles in both of them for

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the sake of his children and family he

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doesn't want to look you know just he's

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got a and I think I think it shows his

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resilience as well I mean this is a man

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who hasn't who well Roger Waters

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described him as having the Heart of a

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Lion which may be the clue to why he's

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not uh yet back because you know we

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shouldn't underestimate also that you

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know that he's very ill in a lot of ways

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his lawyers managed to get a judge last

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year to order the government to allow an

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independent um medical expert to examine

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him um and you know he has a list of of

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of physical and mental ailment is he

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alone is he in solitary yeah as far as I

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understand George he spends most of his

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time in solitary they they they they

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don't allow out prisoners like Shaker

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who when they're allowed to mix with the

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Shaka yeah so what's the prospects

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come come and visit our website and um

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and follow the the links that we have to

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write to our leaders in the UK to write

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to the American government send in

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photos in support of us holding up signs

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that say I stand with Shaka or we stand

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with Shaka and let's try and build this

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up into a very very big big public

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campaign those are the things that we

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can do I think you know I think we need

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to take heart in some ways because

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President Obama made this bold promise

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then failed to keep it that he was going

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to close Guantanamo within a year he's

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now got two years left and he knows that

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his legacy you know is going to be

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tainted by a failed promise there are

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clearly people in his administration who

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don't care about gu Guantanamo there are

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other people in his administration who

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say we need to deal with this for the

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reasons that he always says when he

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talks about it publicly that it's

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dangerous for the United States as well

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as sh ful so he's he's been releasing

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George and one of the things that was

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noticeable is that a Yemen and a

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Tunisian who couldn't be returned home

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negotiations took place they found a new

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home for these guys in a European

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country

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Slovakia that rather sharpens the sense

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of Injustice about Shaka Armor's case

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that it really if if if prisoners are

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going to be found new homes in European

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countries what about the far easier job

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of the British government sending a

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plane David Cameron sending a plane to

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guantan and saying while you're at it

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let's have our guy back yeah let's have

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him back for his birthday December 21st

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order uh but uh certainly in an election

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year yeah we really got to push hard

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we've got to push we've got to do it we

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need everybody's support for this well

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you got Roger Waters of Pink Floyd

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that's uh some doing you must be great

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campaigners I must say coming up after

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welcome back to Sputnik Tony Blair who

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some say is responsible for the death

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and mutilation of more children than any

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British ruler in history and that would

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be saying something was last week on

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International Children's Day given a

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global Legacy award by the save the

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children charity yes you have that right

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as many of you know we are making the

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major crowd fund the documentary The

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Killing of ton Blair drawing a Finishing

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Line however is proving difficult for

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the movie because for his critics Blair

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is a gift which keeps on giving the

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award May well ruin the once widely

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admired save the children fund their

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staff around the world are in open

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revolt and 100,000 people and Rising

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have signed the petition demanding the

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resending of the award and many are now

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calling for the sacking of the man many

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feel must be responsible for this

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grotesque blunder former Blair adviser

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now one of the chiefs of save the

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children Justin fory to discuss how we

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can keep up with the crimes and

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misdemeanors of Tony Blair we're joined

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by James Randolph associate producer of

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the film The Killing of Tony Blair James

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thanks for coming on board we'll talk

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about Blair and the film in a minute but

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this is a Gerald Ratner moment for Save

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the Children Gerald Ratner who once

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owned a chain of down Market Jewelers uh

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by admitting in public on film that what

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he was selling

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was he ruined his entire business and

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it's no more it's an ex Jeweler uh why

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would save the children fund widely

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admired with royal patronage princess an

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multi multi-million pound uh

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organization take such a terrifying risk

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as honoring Tony

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Blair it beg his belief George um this

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is an absolutely utterly crazy moment

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for an organization is respected to save

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the children um looking closely at the

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makeup of their board and of their

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trustees it doesn't really take a lot of

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detective work to work no you don't need

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to be Sherlock Holmes the the uh Justin

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forite is one and Jonathan Powell is on

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the management uh board I could see why

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they'd want to honor Blair with chilcot

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coming up but they're the very people

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who must have known how controversial

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such a move uh would be how did they

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persuade the others to go along with it

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well there's two ways of looking at this

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um Blair has the The Sword of Damocles

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with chilot hanging over him he knows

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that he's read the report he knows what

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sort of damage that he's in for it could

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be that he's calling in favors with

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friends it really could be just as

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simple as that he's had the GQ Magazine

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earlier this this year nomin

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humanitarian of the year it's

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Preposterous absolutely Preposterous you

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couldn't make this stuff up no and that

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again was a bit incestuous wasn't it

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because Alistar Campbell his chief spin

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doctor had been editing GQ he he'd been

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their star writer their star interviewer

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everyone that any any has any

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associations with GQ goes to aliser

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Campbell aliser Campbell conveniently

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has his best friend as a humanitarian of

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the year which is just absolutely

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ridiculous I mean it but these people

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are supposed to be Wizards uh on the old

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spin doctoring this has actually uh been

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a disaster for Blair because uh by being

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given this award and the backlash being

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so uh shattering potentially I'm not

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joking potentially terminal for Save the

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Children sorry for all the people who

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work there and all the good work that

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they've done but this is possibly

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terminal and if that happens that's

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another crime that will be added to

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Blair's charge sheet well Blair has uh

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has pulled in every favor he can um four

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of the eight directors the senior

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management team of save the children are

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former government stroke new labor

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stroke Blair acquaintances and friends

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as you say Jonathan Powell his former

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Chief of Staff is the is Is On The Board

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of Trustees to all intents and purposes

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this is a new labor takeover of a much

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respected long established organization

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which they've compromised moving on from

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the Save the Children which is only the

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latest of many um scandals erupting

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around Blair the one a couple of weeks

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ago seems to me potentially one of the

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most damaging in the post Prime

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ministerial era was revealed in the

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Sunday Times Not only was he receiving

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more than £440,000 a month as a retainer

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from a Saudi Arabian oil company with a

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2% commission rate uh Landing him on one

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deal alone potentially 20 million in

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commission uh but that the

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contract said that almost to the point

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of swearing upon death no one must ever

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know that I Tony Blair am working for

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you Mr Saudi Arabian Oil Company son of

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the Saudi king um this is in the film

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that we're all making together but it

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illustrates the point gatri made that

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it's difficult to keep up with all this

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I mean you could have we could have

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finished the film uh a month ago and

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missed the Sunday Times and the save the

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children uh Scandal if we finish it now

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we might miss another few yeah this is

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like the biotapestry um it just keep

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going on and on and on and it's

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difficult to know where to to have a cut

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off point because um well BL keeps

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digging himself holes he has um he's

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obviously incurred the wrath of Mr

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Murdoch who who Sunday Times broke this

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and I think it was in the Australian in

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Australia as well one of another Murdoch

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paper I wonder what Mr Murdoch has

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against Mr Blair perhaps we shouldn't

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stray into personal matters keep the

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under the bed clothes uh but uh he he is

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in uh seriously big trouble let's talk

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about chilcott chilot has labored in

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this Vineyard now for how many years how

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long have they been inquiring it's been

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years for since well yes it's cost in

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the region of 134 million P it's been

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going on far too long it's been held

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over and held over and held over for

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political considerations rather than

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anything of open governance I think it's

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uh 7 years but it can be held over any

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longer because otherwise they won't be

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able to release it before the election

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and that would be that would be an even

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bigger scandal yeah uh they can't

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release it in the weeks even months just

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before the election that seems to me to

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indicate a release of Before Christmas

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how bad do you think it's going to

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be well bearing in mind that Blair is

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aware of the contents it the timing of

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these

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Awards it does look suspect just with an

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impartial eye it look suspect

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um he's got the serious Fraud Office

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investigation the Scandal over that

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which has been sidelined um the into the

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alamam oil deal which throws up the

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questions over the uh Saudi contract and

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the need for absolute discretion

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security and secrecy that he's demanded

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within his contract uh you have to you

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have to look at the potential for an

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explosion for new labor at the election

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not just Blair of course I mean Jack

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straw unexpectedly announced he was

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standing down yeah uh I understand he's

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quite firmly in the frame for severe

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criticism even uh condemnation I mean

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let's face it I don't want labor to lose

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the election mhm but this was a labor

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crime this was a labor War MH uh which

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has never been atoned for I mean that's

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the problem isn't it they're still

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running around with Campbell and Blair

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well Campbell Blair and let's not forget

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Miland another charitable worker on

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£300,000 a year in New York City which

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is ideally out of the the damage Zone as

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far as uh Blair and straw and the other

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culpable parties are are concerned but

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we we've really got to look at the um

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from 10 years ago this is this is a

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clear view a clear break and millerand

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hasn't made that break he will have to

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do so if he's to win back any public

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confidence in new labor as a result of

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the chil cot report which you know as

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you say it really should be out before

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Christmas with a view to to the

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political considerations of the general

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election which we know is going to take

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place in 2015 now you're the producer of

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the of the film James is toiling away in

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the vineyard of the Blair dock how's it

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going when's it coming out well as we

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discussed earlier on there seems to be

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no end to all the gifts that Tony Blair

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is giving us actually more of a hche to

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our team but we are wrapping up and we

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are expecting the release of the film

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very soon in 2015 in the early months of

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2015

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to give it some time prior to the

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general elections James what have been

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the I mean without giving away the uh

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the contents has any of the work you've

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done surprised you the level of Blair's

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deceit uh the level of his um betrayal

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of the labor party and its values and

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its

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history and the level of the aest will

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self says in the film I I'll m

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I am staggered at the avarice shown by

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Tony Blair that's the bit that shocked

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me because I saw all the rest I saw him

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betraying the labor party killing it I

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saw him killing the Afghans and the

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Iraqis what I didn't see and no one

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really has seen until this film comes

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out is the level of the avarest James

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thanks very much for joining us on board

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the Sputnik and get this film out

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quickly won't you

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and now it's your turn to tell us what

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you think through the portals of social

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media watch's rattling G Tre well you

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see many people don't understand why

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shakar armor is still in Guantanamo Bay

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but I'm sure this interview will have

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enlightened most shran however

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makes the point that if he wasn't a

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terrorist before he sure has a reason

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now anyone would hate the US for doing

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this quite so uh it's entirely

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counterproductive it's destroyed their

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reputation uh they had a reputation left

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to defend they can no longer defend it

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it has radicalized a whole generation of

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Muslims around the world it's one of the

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factors which have radicalized them they

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go looking for people to ban or

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proscribe but actually the knowledge

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that hundreds of Muslims have been

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locked up for 12 years and more that

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would make anybody radical yeah well on

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Tony Blair well social media has been

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full with with outrage of course so I'm

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just picking up a number of them alen

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Swanson says proce money can buy

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anything and West Stan Jim says

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unbelievable surely it must rank as one

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of the biggest blunders in PR history

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yeah it's a Ratner moment I I cannot

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think of any non-government organization

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any organization dependent on the

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Public's Goodwill that has ever made a

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bigger mistake than save the children

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have made in this case well that's all

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that we have for this week which alas

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means that's the end of the show please

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keep in touch with us on Twitter rtor

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Sputnik and on Facebook you can like us

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on Sputnik on Russia today it's goodbye

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from me G and from me George Galloway

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it's been marvelous

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