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welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world

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with me George Galloway and me gatri in

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1944 the allies and the Greek partisans

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liberated the country from Nazi

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occupation it was a bloody and bitter

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campaign made more so by the presence of

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Nazi Collaborators amongst the Greeks

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who had assisted in the Holocaust of the

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occupation the allies Britain and the US

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and the then Soviet Union had worked

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closely with the Greek partisans who

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were indispensable allies so it ought to

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have been a joyous occasion when on

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December 3rd

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1944 crowds of anti-fascists gathered in

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Aton Sy TMA Square waving the flags of

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the Allied Nations and chanting Viva

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Churchill Viva Roosevelt Viva Stalin but

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not so fearing that the anti-fascist

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resistance in Greece was becoming too

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strong too leftwing and too likely to

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take power after the war confounding

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Churchill's plan to reinstate the king

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and the old order so the British brought

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the former Nazi Collaborators onto the

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rooftops around the square gave them

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back their automatic weapons and ordered

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them to open fire on their earthw allies

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murdering 28 mostly young boys and girls

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in Cold Blood and injuring hundreds of

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dancing singing demonstrators

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a civil war ensued with Britain and US

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becking the obvious site the site who'

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been killing British soldiers just a few

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months before joining us now to discuss

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what happened next is a brave British

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woman who worked in the Greek anti

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fascist underground during the dark days

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of the Greek military Juna the colonels

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who seized power in the aftermath her

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name is Judy cter Judy welcome to the

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Sputnik you were the first ever woman

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vice president of the national Union of

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students and they sent you in

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underground in Greece we'll come to that

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in just a minute but first your reaction

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to the Guardians Revelations this week

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about the British culpability absolute

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culpability in the massacre in sintagma

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square well it's uh it doesn't surprise

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me because I think it's a lot of people

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don't understand the dirty tricks that

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the British government got under

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um during that period uh after

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uh before the end of the uh Second World

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British troops out of Italy where a

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critical point in defending the uh

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defeating the Nazis they actually

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brought British troops out just in order

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to uh suppress the left partisan and

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popular move M ments it's a shameful

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period in our in our history basically

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Churchill was refocusing he had used and

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been happy to work alongside the Soviet

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Union uh and these left leaning partisan

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movements in Yugoslavia and Greece and

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Italy uh and indeed in France uh but as

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soon as it looked like the Nazis were on

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their way out he refocused on what was

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going to happen after the war turned

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British guns on their own allies yeah AB

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absolutely I mean you have to remember

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at this period um and following it in

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the 70s when I was involved you had

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most of Western Europe would be led by

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left leaning Progressive governments and

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part of the whole Cold War ethos his

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Cold War ethos he had to he felt it was

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in British interest to suppress these

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popular movements including murdering

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them including murdering them and in

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fact this is unbelievable in some ways

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he the S soe the Special Operations

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executive uh the sort of Secret Service

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that had worked with the partisans

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during the war to

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uh defeat the Nazis they came to respect

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the partisans for what they were doing

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so Churchill had the MI6 brought in and

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murdered uh some of the S soe Executives

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for nothing let's fast forward just a

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little bit to uh 1973 you the first uh

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woman vice president of the national

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Union of students then a left leaning

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organization and you're sent in

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us about that well I was given respon

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what was called anti-fascist

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responsibility because as I've drawn a

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picture of that was the state of uh

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Europe Western Europe at the at that

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time you also had the end of uh the

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Vietnam War and Shenanigans in Latin in

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Latin americ America and in Africa so I

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policies of n us at that time so I went

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students there had been nearly seven

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years of uh fascist government the

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colonels had three Colonels and about

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half the Greek army had uh moved to in a

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democratic government and they pursued a

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policy of not only you there were no

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elections uh Communist party in fact all

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political parties were

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outlawed uh people had no Democratic

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whatsoever they ruled by repression the

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torture um and I was asked to to go in

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to get a proper picture because it

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for your holidays um I was asked to go

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what was happening and I did uh

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who' been a prosecutor in the Newburg

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trials um American woman she was looking

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at what was happening to women and trade

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unionist who were also being tortured I

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American Embassy knew nothing about what

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people that we were trying to talk to to

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find out and in that first three weeks I

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were being kept in these interrogation

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and torture centers and there was one

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what it was it wasn't even a police

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station and opposite it was a cafe and I

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the coast was clear I would step out to

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the back sit amongst all the bottles and

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the parents of the students would come

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in and talk to me show me the blood

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clothes of their sons and daughters and

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tell me about what was going on and uh

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hundreds were being kept in uh detention

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about 120 and then 12 of the the leaders

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door and um I took a chance I think you

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to what is going on luckily I turned up

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colonels was outside giving a um a press

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gas in the chaos that follow to get

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myself in and call out the names uh the

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lesson of all of this surely is not just

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perfidious Albin and the disgraceful

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role that it played uh after uh the

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imminent defeat of fascism played a

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great role in the defeat of fascism then

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that brave people who stand up and take

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the side of the oppressed can have a an

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impact one year after your mission I'm

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the the the Jun fell and democracy uh

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progressive movements uh in in Britain

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and so on their voice was being heard

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and the powers that be it was no longer

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struggle of the Reames people themselves

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Chile even in Africa in uh Ghana getting

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rid of theuma progressive government and

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the M of lumba in movement yeah you

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seemed Fearless at the time did you not

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fear for your own life and how how was

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students and women and Trade union

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leaders who were being who were

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imprisoned and being tortured at the

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Fearless Judy Cotter thank you very much

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coming up after the break if you're

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everywhere my old friend Lee jaspar Lee

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welcome to the show choking to death a

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black man unarmed for selling cigarettes

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on the street in New York City not in

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the Deep

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South The Grand Jury says the officer

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who choked him to death is not to be

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prosecuted but the man who filmed it all

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is being prosecuted am I right is this

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actually beginning now to break down

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visibly in front of our eyes well it

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makes the assumption that Justice was

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built up for

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African-Americans uh the reality is the

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reality is there two million

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African-Americans in lockdown as we

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speak in American jails and they're

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there for all sorts of spurious charges

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uh fake accusations are really victims

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of uh systemic and cultural

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institutionalized racis m in the

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American justice system and of course

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George you got to remember Tamir rice

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was shot he was 12 years old 12 years

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old and he was on the playground I

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understand he's on a playground he's

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dead he Now lies on a Mory slab uh we

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have the case of the young man who was

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running with his daughter to get a

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asthma pump because she was having an

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asthma attack shot dead we have the case

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of Mike Brown uh who we all know in in

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Ferguson shot dead there is a killing

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spre going on in America and black men's

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lives uh uh do matter but they're

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currently endangered by the criminal

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justice system and this is happening

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under Barack Obama has he got anything

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to say about it and Eric Holder by the

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way who's also a black attorney general

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I think that you know if you think that

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replacing uh a black face uh on in a

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high place solves your problems of

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tackling racism then you're guilty of

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the worst type of naivity and tokenism

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what you need is a systemic change in

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order to tackle institutional racism is

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not capable of being changed by force of

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Personality such as endemic strength and

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M Barack Obama has already showed his

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true neoliberal colors on International

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Affairs uh poverty has increased for

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African-Americans unemployment has

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increased and all over the world where

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the austerity agenda is RIT large we see

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it acting as a magnifying glass on on

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racism and institutionalized racism both

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in America here in UK and in wider

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Europe well the American case is uh not

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that surprising and you've just uh

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corrected me uh my question assumed uh a

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level of justice for African-Americans

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that didn't actually exist I just had

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the feeling in Ferguson and so on when

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the kind of militarized police response

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just seemed to me a qualitative uh step

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change but I may be wrong about that but

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in Britain and indeed in Europe the same

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thing is happening well we all also the

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tragic varo recently of Eric Ghana uh

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whose tragic last words I can't breathe

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I can't breathe now I've been taken up

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as long with hands up don't shoot as the

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sort of uh uh uh mive Cry The Last Words

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absolutely for black Justice in America

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and for justice universally and here in

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the United Kingdom we have our own Eric

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Garner video it's been out for a number

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of years it's Christopher Adler the

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paratrooper the British paratrooper who

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came back from Hull who's filmed and on

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video lying naked on a floor with his

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hands tight behind his back his pants

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down beh his knees uh and choking to

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death on his own vomit while officers

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stand around giggling and laughing at

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him these are real cases that you can

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see now Janet Adler is his sister been

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campaigning for justice we have Kingsley

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Burell from Birmingham phoned the police

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because he was threatened by a gang who

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were waiting for him and his sun outside

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the shop the police arrived 3 days later

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with their head the size of a melon uh

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Kingsley Burell writes a note to his

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sister saying they're trying to kill me

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after he's committed to a mental

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institution and 24 hours later he died

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Alton Manning Smiley Culture uh Mark

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Dugen sha rig another gruesome case of

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uh caught on video of a young man dying

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in Brixton police station in the

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reception area uh and uh it goes wider a

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field than that if we look at southern

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Europe we see Africans being being

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lynched shot and murdered in southern

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Italy

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uh uh by Neo fascist groups uh in

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addition to what's happening in Greece

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so austerity is ramping up racism

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worldwide and neoliberal sentiment is to

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continue to push that to divide to

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divert people's attention away from the

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real authors of the economic destruction

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the casino investment bankers and their

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uh plutocratic mates who have uh

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destroyed the economies of the western

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world and are now blaming blacks

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migrants and anybody they can and

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ironically these people are only in

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Italy because of NATO Wars against their

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own countries and black people I mean

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Gaddafi was was a shambolic leader no

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doubt but but you Champion hold on well

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let's say Exploder because for the black

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community if you talk about Gaddafi

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you're talking about a champion putting

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aside his idiosyncratic ways and he had

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many in relation to his commitment to

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African and Africa he was the one who

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ensured there was no very little

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discrimination against Africans from

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Southern Africa in in North Africa he

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was the champion against that sort of

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discrimination and he supported the

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African Union with millions of petrol

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dollars and the African National the

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African

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National Thomas Sakara and the and the

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and the struggle against Portugese

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colonialism um no no no doubt about that

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and and that's why after the overthrow

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of Gaddafi uh the people who overthrew

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him began to Lynch black people that's

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right in Libya black people then flee on

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boats they arrive in Italy and they're

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gunned down by the people in Italy who

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sunk in their own economic

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problems all these uh uh black people

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arriving from Africa and uh M them if

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you go to Southern Italy and hi been it

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reminds me of the I think I'm in a 1950

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is uh uh you know Mockingbird movie it's

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reminiscent of that uh the racism is

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naked it's in front of your face there's

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no shame about it there's no restraint

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about it uh in Greece the Golden Dawn

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and the police have been proven uh to be

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one and the same Off Duty Officers uh

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acting as the golden Dawn's the the

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fascist party outfit working with Greek

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police to round up African migrants into

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concentration camps on the outskirts of

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a

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uh wherever the economic crisis is

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acutest racism is is is is uh inversely

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rising in proportion to that crisis with

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with fascism on its heels not far not

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far behind gar I wonder whether this

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doesn't build up to some sort of intera

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amongst black people in in the US and

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and here in Britain and Europe well of

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course here in United Kingdom we we saw

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in the aftermath of Mart Dugan's uh uh

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tragic death where the police accused

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him of shooting them and in fact no he

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had no weapon at all an uprising I think

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that due to austerity economic crisis uh

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the country at the moment particularly

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in the inner city areas where poor white

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black Irish others live is like a

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Tinderbox uh and the least catalytic

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flame will set it roaring it's not

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generally known by the mainstream Media

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or the liberal establishment but I

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predicted the riot of 2011 in January

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2011 after the death of Smiley Culture I

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said the black community was at boiling

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point we're still at boiling point

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because no just has been served for any

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there's not a single officer been

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charged with the death the murder or

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even any Associated crime um neglect of

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Duty or anything with the death of a

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black man in British custody ever ever

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and so we we like the Americans say that

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again there's no never a

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charge any prison officer police officer

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on the death of any black prisoner

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anytime anywhere any not in the United

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Kingdom no I I'll be correct if I'm

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saying I don't think that's even

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happened in the United States and there

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are 13 cases in the United Kingdom

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history that have been put before a jury

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and even with compelling evidence the

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jury always sides with the police that's

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what exactly what happened in the grand

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jury and that's why my position has

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always been you can't have all white

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juries making assessments of Justice I

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mean the Ferguson case was an allh jury

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wasn't it yeah it was in an

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area all yes well is uh extraordinary I

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I must say in Missouri uh but it's more

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extraordinary in New York New York City

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and the choking to death of this black

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man on camera how could that not lead to

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charges it's actually almost if it

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weren't for the fact we're talking about

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the death of a man it would be laughable

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it's like a joke that it's there on

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camera the police officers are choking

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the man to death for selling cigarettes

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on the street

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but nobody gets judged except the one

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who's filming it except the guy who

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films it well he's under arrest you try

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and make sense of racism and it'll leave

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you as confused uh Angry uh and incensed

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as it does the black community because

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it makes no sense because racism as a

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thought process is a mental illness that

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makes no sense and so there's no

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understanding the Injustice that

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happened to Eric Eric Gardner and that's

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why you've seen uh the the roads in New

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York blocked people on the street uh

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next Wednesday we'll have a we're trying

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to organize a public meeting here in

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international solidarity meeting for the

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victims of police brutality U worldwide

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in solidarity here and abroad it racism

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makes no sense it never has done and

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that's why you need systemic legislation

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if you have a a case that involves race

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you must have a multi-racial jury you

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must because racism by its very nature

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uh is difficult to see for those who

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enjoy white privilege and when they

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enjoy it they don't see black injustice

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people should follow you on Twitter

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because you're involved in all these

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campaigns and that's the best way to get

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involved Lee Jasper as always fantastic

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interview thanks very

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much and now it's your turn to tell us

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what you think through the portals of

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social media what's rattling Guri well

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many people including myself didn't know

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about the history uh of Athens in 1944

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so I asked what is Britain's

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responsibility in the massacre of these

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Greek anti-fascist and Brian Murray

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answered that 20 years ago such a

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statement would have caused outrage but

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the world is waking up to their

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atrocities and then I asked the people

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what their verdict is on uh American

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police brutality and Martin Ralph

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answers I would say that neoliberals

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ignore structural racism and try to

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individualize it Rachel devoy adds that

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actually racism hasn't reemerged more

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likely has never left true but uh as Lee

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pointed out when the economy collapses

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when there's economic depression the uh

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indigenous or white population uh turns

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its guns on the other rather than the

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people who have caused the collapse of

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the economy it's clear statistics

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actually yeah you just have to you can

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you can directly correlate the monograph

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well that's all for this week which alas

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means that's the end of the show you can

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on Sputnik on Russia today it's goodbye

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Galloway it's been marvelous

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