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welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world

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with me George Galloway and me gri now

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that Nelson Mandela has been laid to

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rest arguably the greatest Global black

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icon remaining is a man who did his

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talking not just with his fists but with

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the silverest of tongues Muhammad Ali

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from the beginning at the Rome Olympics

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in 1960 he was the smartest the

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prettiest the best the greatest he could

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have been a contender for All American

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hero status but he was a man with

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inconvenient convictions he announced he

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was a Muslim and that he had no quarrel

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with them Viet Kong no Vietnamese ever

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called me he said they stripped

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him of his title heavyweight champion of

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the world and barred him from making a

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living in the ring during what would

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have been the best earning four years of

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his life but he disproved the old boxing

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ad age that Champions never come back

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Muhammad Ali came back not once but

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twice but in truth he never went away

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his last fight took place this month in

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1981 in the Bahamas against Trevor burck

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though he lost his last fight he was by

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then unbeatable in global affection

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shortly we'll be talking to the

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london-based Dutch photographer

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Christina Johnson who got closer to the

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great man than most of his opponents in

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the ring D and who has lovingly produced

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some of the greatest portraits of him

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many of which should soon hang in the

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British Parliament in an exhibition

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sponsored by me but first gatri put her

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red gloves on and took on the opinions

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about ali in one of London's famous

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boxing clubs how was it Mrs G it was

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fantastic it very great to be among

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these young boxers who really idolize

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Muhammad Ali let's take a look wow he

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did so many things for boxing and also

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for Humanity which is all about yet to

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support but you know icon for everything

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I mean starting from the Vietnam War

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where he didn't go and you know standing

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for the right of black people in America

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and you know is to me the greatest he

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was not just ameran her American hero he

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was the world's hero he was a what we

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call International or like the Jamaicans

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would use or the West indans would use

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is an outernational all over the world

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when he had the style and the but I

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think the Charisma and the just almost

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the image and the mythology of of the

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man is really what I think kind of makes

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him so enduring I would imagine and I

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have things up on the walls and had his

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quotes he was so intelligent and he was

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so ahead of his time

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really joining us now in the Red Corner

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is famous photographer Christina Jansen

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Christina thanks for coming on board the

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Sputnik you have gotten close to

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Muhammad Ali as I put it in the

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introduction closer than many of his

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oppon on ever got so first of all before

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we discuss his professional life as it

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were what's he like as a person

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absolutely wonderful very warm uh he

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treats everyone around him um the same

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as as everyone else so he does he didn't

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make that point in one of uh your

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pictures I like that he said I'm a man

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who was humorous and who treated

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everyone right and he did the reason I

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got to meet him and got to photograph

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him is I was just basically employed as

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a photographer to take Stills on a

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commercial that he was making for when

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he retired from boxing for a while he

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had different businesses and this was um

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in F Fulham Studios 1986 Believe It or

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Not can't possibly be true and um so I

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got the call and I and I arrived and he

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was sitting there on the sofa surrounded

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by lots of children who were completely

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enamored with him and he was doing magic

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tricks and making fun he made hankes

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appear from everywhere and basically

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like a like a big kid really that's what

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he was like and they said go and sit

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next to him and I went no no no it's

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fine it's fine but um within no time um

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chattered away and he told me his

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philosophy of life um which has actually

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sort of kept me going all these years

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and had a major on that that's the first

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noteworthy thing I mean no disrespect to

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boxers I was a boxer yes they're not

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normally known for having a philosophy

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of life he not most of them what was is

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his philosophy of life well he has

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various different one the one he told me

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personally and you don't see in all the

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the the books and so on um although it's

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well known I think is that he said

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Christina he said if you reach for the

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moon you might end up next door but if

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you reach for the stars you might get to

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the moon and I think what he does for

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everybody is give them inspiration to be

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brave to have a go to believe in

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yourself and nowadays that's quite hard

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to do when everybody sort of seems to be

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trying to stop you to doing the things

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you want to do and I just I thought that

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was fantastic to have you find them a

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bragger I mean I I myself like that

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quote I saw it in your work uh it's not

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bragging if you can back it up precisely

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uh and also you know he said things like

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take risks in life you'll get nowhere

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it's about just con you know just

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keeping Keeping the Faith and my

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goodness did he do that when he refused

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to go to war and was willing to go to

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prison and all of the thing the brave

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things he's done in his life and the

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most magnificent example well the level

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of sacrifice is underestimated by

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today's uh generation because for the

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four years that he was banned from

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making a living as a boxer yeah at the

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absolute height of his physical uh

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boxing uh prowess he would have made in

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financial terms a phenomenal amount of

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of money but he was ready to make that

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sacrifice he could have joined the army

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and he would have been given a job of

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going around uh for photo calls and

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sh's appearances he would never have

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actually been asked to fight the

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Vietnamese but he refused because as he

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put it he had no quarrel with the

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Vietnamese and I believe also it was his

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religion too that said that but um but

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you know what he did during that period

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of time he actually fed his brain he

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read books upon books and he went and

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lectured in different universities he

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actually lectured I've seen a piece at

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Harvard University so what he did in

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that time he made the most of and and

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just as was very hungry about learning

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about the world all uh politics all

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religions so this is why you know he

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comes out with his amazing well his

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politics were of course uh influenced by

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Islam uh but he he had a very uh

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eclectic uh selection of uh of sources

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we have a wonderful picture of him with

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with Malcolm X X but he broke of course

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with with Malcolm he broke with him they

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but they broke with each other after Mal

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X left the Nation of Islam but didn't

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Ali regret that oh he said there was a

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largest biggest mistake that he ever

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made in his life everybody makes

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mistakes I me but um you know and the

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he was boxing and he was you know

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showing off and that the whole game of

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you know trying to kind of um uh have

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the mental sort of superiority yeah over

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the other and I think once or twice he

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went a bit far and he regrets that but

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it was you know it was that was just

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I unfortunately because I'm rather older

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yeah was yeah uh when he was taunting

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people what's my name what's my name it

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was because they refused to use his name

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he went from Casas clay insisted on what

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he called his slave name casus marelus

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clay yes uh and they refused to call him

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by his name which was then Muhammad Ali

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so although it seemed cruel I remember

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very well at the Ernie Terrell fight for

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example he was constantly D he could

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have knocked Terrell down and one but he

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kept him on his feet for nine rounds so

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he could keep saying what's my name

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what's my name I think this amazing he's

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he's just got a fantastic sense of humor

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and everyone around him is is uh you

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know always he filled the ring does he

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fill a room when you're with him yes and

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and uh you know how and I don't say this

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lightly but when I met him he did have

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this very special Aura around him you

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know and that you don't meet many people

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that have that I I I really I really am

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not surprised but I used to get up in

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the middle of the night literally

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because at that time uh satellite trans

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Mission thanks to Sputnik had only just

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begun and my father Our God Rest his

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soul would wake me up in the middle of

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the night to go downstairs and uh and

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watch his fights yeah here was a black

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fighter who was not only brilliant

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mesmerizingly so in the in the ring uh

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but who had so much to say for himself

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and so articulately I was trying just to

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remember when I was little I watched it

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when I was in Holland too and you know

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and the the fact he was not only a

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brilliant boxer but an entertaining to

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watch with his famous Shuffle and and

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that and the whole kind of um theater of

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it now I'm uh sponsoring an exhibition

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of your photographs of Ali which should

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hang in the British Parliament sometime

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in the coming year just tell us quickly

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the kind of pictures you'll see in it

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well I mean the the the inspiration

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behind the exhibition as first of all I

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had a set of pictures obviously from

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1986 and and I felt very protective

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about ali at the time there seemed been

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awful lot of people wanting things from

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him and for some reason I put my

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pictures away in a drawer for 20 years

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brought them out a few years ago uh

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after someone said have you got some

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more I had one image I was showing of

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Ali when he was fying down looking into

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the camera and so that's one brought the

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rest out then um I heard that uh the

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Olympics is coming and it would be ary's

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70th birthday and no having known Ary I

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thought how as a photographer I mean I'm

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a huge fan of the Dom colors and

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photographers that go out and risk their

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lives and do something for this world I

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can't do that but I wanted to give

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something back to the world and I'm a

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huge um supporter of Amnesty

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International and so on as well and I

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thought well perhaps I could celebrate

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Ali's 70th birthday help raise some

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money for various causes including

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Parkinson's and so on um so I then began

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this trying to gather the top images to

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tell the story of Al's Life along with

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my my little time with him um and gather

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them from all around the world I put

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together 70 images for his 70th birthday

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and I managed to get a gallery that

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overlooked the Olympic stadium and that

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also flew over Muhammad's brother

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because I was told that Muhammad was too

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poorly to to bring over at the time so

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Rahman Ali who was at Ali's side his

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whole life and the you know obviously a

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loving supporter and so on came over

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with his wife and opened the show and it

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was amazing well who knows Let's uh hope

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we can get the champion himself to come

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over for the uh parliamentary uh

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exhibition he asks in this how I would

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like to be remembered he

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says and if all that's too much then I

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guess I'd settle for being remembered

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only as a great boxer who became a

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leader and a champion of his people and

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I wouldn't even mind if folks forgot how

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pretty I was they'll never forget not

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least thanks to you know he actually

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asked me am I still goodlooking and I

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was like am I going to tell this big

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boxer

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no Christina jansson thank you very much

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pleased after the break we'll be

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reviewing the British economy which

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feels like it's in the 15th round of a

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grueling punishing bout we'll be talking

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to RT's own Champion economics prize

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fighter Stacy Herbert of the Kaiser

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report we'll be right

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back

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welcome back to Sputnik British

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Chancellor of the exer Gideon Osborne he

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calls himself George though that is not

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his name because Gideon sounds well just

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too push has turned out to be several

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years out in his forecast for balancing

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the British books but his austerity

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blows have left a lot of blood on the

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British canvas who better to review his

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performance thus far than Stacy Herbert

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Stacy welcome to the Sputnik I make the

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point be because if you listened to

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George Osborne you'd think that we were

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if not now swimming happily gambling uh

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in the Green Meadows the alysian fields

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of uh new found Prosperity all based on

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less than 1% growth in the economy but

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if you're actually in the world in the

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country you're still shivering well it's

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not bragging if you can back it up so

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somebody famous once

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said so I want to point to something

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that he said in the Autumn statement

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that the deficit is declining they're

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focused very much on the deficit well

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here my box and glove says UK deficit at

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185 billion not 90 billion as George

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Osborne says warns MPS and this is from

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the Public Accounts committee so there's

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a lot of lying going on about the state

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of the economy I'm sure you see it when

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you're doing the Vox pops out in the

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street there's Rising homelessness

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there's visits to the soup kitchens um

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down on the street it's pretty bad the

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headline numbers like um London house

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prices being up over 12% in the past

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year to many of his sort of

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constituents that is good news but for

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the majority of the population 12% house

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price Rises are bad news yes uh I mean

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we have just uh sold our house and

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buying uh a more expensive one but

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that's a misnomer because actually we're

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borrowing uh most of the money to buy

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that when you see people uh in the rush

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for Christmas in the stores they're all

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buying on plastic in fact the shop

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assistants look a scance if you actually

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offer them notes uh so they're all

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buying on debt how does the debt picture

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look the important thing to note here is

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that it's all going to housing

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speculation there is a decline in debt a

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decline in investment businesses aren't

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borrowing to invest

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that's the important thing so where are

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your jobs going to come from where is

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your wealth creation going to come from

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therefore you just have debt which is

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unsustainable we have the Red Queen

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syndrome it's called you know you have

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to run faster and faster just to stay in

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the same place and you see so this is

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part of the global story and the UK

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economy is just part of the global

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economy where more and more debt is

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needed just to stay flat on GDP not even

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to grow anymore so it's a you know it's

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all just going to fall into an

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exhaustion the deficit fixation uh of

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the government and the treasury uh that

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kind of went out of fashion as a way of

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looking at the economy in the depression

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uh of the 1930s the gold standard and

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all of that uh canes you would have

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thought had taught

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subsequent Generations that actually no

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one can freeze themselves out of uh

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recession that what's necessary is money

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in people's pockets I mean if they're

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doing all this quantitative easing which

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you and Max constantly talk about if

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you're going to do the quantitative

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easing why not go out on the street find

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poor people and give them the money that

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would actually Kickstart the economy far

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more that's what they should have done

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from the beginning and instead they

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chose to bail out the bankers and the

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bond holders of this uh the global Ponzi

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scheme that we see now dur during the

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1930s during the Great Depression those

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who escaped recession at least

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temporarily first were the ones who were

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able to devalue First against gold or

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drop off the gold standard here we have

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the Global Currency war and this is

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something as well why we have all this

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quantitative easing is actually a

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currency War it's trying to uh export

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your deflation to somewhere else when

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you talk to B Guri talks to people all

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the time on the streets on these box

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Pops I mean there's no sign of uh

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economic Feelgood is there no C Stacy me

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and Joy's life love to go to HMV get our

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box sets but the one that we went in Ox

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streat which is which is their Flagship

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they're they're basically selling their

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things out for nothing you know I went

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to sufres a few weeks ago and it was jam

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packed to the rafters thousand pound

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jeans being sold to mostly uh Middle

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Eastern Eastern European people who are

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very very

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wealthy yeah and I walked down Oxford

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Street through markson Spencer deserted

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there's no middle anymore we noticed

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that as well so HMV is closing down

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giving away their stock was almost like

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a market like a Street Market yeah you

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box set 224 here you are almost whatever

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you'll offer for it and the marks and

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Spencer's end of the market nobody's

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spending so in London this is the reason

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I'm raising this is that in Scotland for

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example where there's a referendum on

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Independence the story is that London is

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fabulously wealthy but that's not true

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only a small part of London well London

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is a money laundering Center that's what

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it is a lot of the house price uh boom

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is about moneya laundering it's it's

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people from other parts of the world

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taking their wealth of the nation out of

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their own Nations and sinking it here

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where they think it's safe and therefore

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they don't mind if they lose 50% because

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if you go to a money launder in a back

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alley you're going to get 20 cents on

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the dollar for laundering your money so

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here they're like well who cares if

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house prices fall 40% at least I get 60%

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of my ill gotten gains back so does that

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make London different from other world

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cities uh yeah because they tolerate

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more a lot of it say for example came

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after the Patriot Act so a lot of um

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Middle Eastern money was afraid to be in

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the US because of the Patriot Act and

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and the war on terror so they came here

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that drove a lot of money in here nobody

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wants to be too close to the US because

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they just seese anybody's stuff

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regulation is lighter here y but also

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for the moment at least Britain is a

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stable country so if you're a foreign uh

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potentate or even just somebody who's

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rich yeah from abroad you're unlikely to

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see your property go up in smoke in

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civil disorder and you're certainly

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unlikely to feel Gideon Osborne and

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David Cameron's hand on your collar

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asking you difficult questions about how

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you got the money still Les leving tax

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on you yeah exactly and the US and the

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UK are the only two that don't Levy tax

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on foreign owners of property but also

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remember the UK has the lowest level of

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house building since the 1920s when the

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population was half what it is now so

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you can guarantee that the system is set

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up by the likes of Gideon and his merry

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band of cohorts in the in in Downing

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Street and they will make sure that the

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house prices stay up like that now one

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thing I want to say about all this debt

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building up speaking of float like a

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butterfly and sting like a bee is that

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the butterfly effect I floated like a

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bee and stung like a butterfly when I

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was a boxer that's kind of why I hung up

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my gloves G so you

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say you know that the the butterfly

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effect is you know in this chaos theory

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and we live in a chaotic system at the

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moment is that just a small effect

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somewhere butterfly flaps its wings in

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Africa and causes a hurricane in the

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Caribbean this is the theory and it's

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one of the one day it could be 2014 just

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one little flap of the wing of debt will

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just blow the whole thing up there's a

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cheerful note for

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Christmas thank you very much Stacy

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Harbor our own champion on the

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economy now this is where you come in

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through our social media portal rtor

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Sputnik gatri what's rattling the pipes

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huge discussion this week I stated that

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after Mandela's death Muhammad Ali is

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the greatest Global black icon to which

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I got a great response of people saying

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uh discussing um the matter of

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mentioning him being black as if sidiki

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says for example Muhammad Ali is the

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greatest icon period why should you

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describe him as a black white or any

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color because he's black because he's

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black indeed I got so I had so many

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responses saying get the black out of

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the sentence and you still you know you

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still got the line of course uh Ali

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whether black or any other color would

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be a great Global icon but he is the

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greatest black Global icon and black

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people need icons just like everybody

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else needs icons I can't imagine uh that

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uh Ali would be in any way unhappy about

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that disc no not at all this is just the

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political correctness political

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correctness liberalism don't get me

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started indeed no PC for us anyway

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there's also lot of response on whether

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he was the greatest icon or not some

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people were suggesting MLK Jr Ley

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Malcolm X of course Malcolm X but he's

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no more well Malcolm is no more Martin

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Luther King was of course a very great

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icon uh he's no longer with us uh in any

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case his Global recognition was never

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anything like uh Ali's people have to

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shake themselves of the idea that Global

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means Britain and America or even Europe

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and America

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everybody in Africa Asia the middle east

541
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:09,440
Europe North America South America

542
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:12,200
austral Asia would know at a glance at a

543
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picture that's Muhammad Ali he was the

544
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:17,000
champion of the world Phil Adamson says

545
00:23:15,159 --> 00:23:20,120
the only other black icons in the

546
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:23,240
mainstream culture now are NFL NBA or

547
00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:25,440
rappers and Obama none come close to Ali

548
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:28,080
though uh he's right about that uh but

549
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:31,840
he's wrong about the and the idea that

550
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:33,520
and ba or rappers classify as Global I

551
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,640
don't know he's talking about mainstream

552
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,919
culture so I agree in that sense nobody

553
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,400
in Britain knows what NBA even no they

554
00:23:37,919 --> 00:23:42,000
they don't need to know what NBA is but

555
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:44,360
they know what NBA NBA has they know

556
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,159
Dennis Rodman they know Michael Jordan

557
00:23:44,360 --> 00:23:48,039
wrong about that Dennis Rodman's a

558
00:23:46,159 --> 00:23:49,760
friend of mine I mean no disre to him

559
00:23:48,039 --> 00:23:51,480
but if we took him in the street now

560
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,679
people would say that's a remarkably

561
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,279
tall man but nobody would know who he

562
00:23:53,679 --> 00:23:57,760
was but it's not about the sport it's

563
00:23:55,279 --> 00:23:59,520
about the culture that and and outre

564
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:02,039
they have I mean don't get me started on

565
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:06,640
rappers first of all the the negativity

566
00:24:02,039 --> 00:24:08,799
of the words in most of this rap music

567
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:13,000
if you want to call it that I agree uh

568
00:24:08,799 --> 00:24:15,600
is the antithesis of both Mandela and

569
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:19,159
Muhammad Ali you and I can argue about

570
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:20,880
that later go ahead um well and then

571
00:24:19,159 --> 00:24:23,200
there were some people who were arguing

572
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:25,279
that he was indeed not at all a great

573
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,880
icon there know he was just boxing in a

574
00:24:25,279 --> 00:24:28,720
ring they're saying which is

575
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,799
unbelievable to which markk he wise

576
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,640
response he was also a big part in the

577
00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:35,559
breaking down of racial tensions in the

578
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:39,000
USA who can say he did nothing even if

579
00:24:35,559 --> 00:24:41,960
he had only been three times the

580
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:43,520
heavyweight champion of the world never

581
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,320
mind that it was taken away from him

582
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:48,960
never mind that he was

583
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:51,960
effectively uh quarantined by the power

584
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:56,000
in the United States for the four of his

585
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:58,480
best fighting years uh then he would be

586
00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:00,679
the great icon that we know him to be

587
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,520
but of course he was very much more than

588
00:25:00,679 --> 00:25:04,360
that people on Twitter who know that you

589
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,880
were a boxer wanted to know whether you

590
00:25:04,360 --> 00:25:08,279
box like Ali that is float like a

591
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,600
butterfly and sting like a bee no I

592
00:25:08,279 --> 00:25:13,799
floated like a bee and stung like a

593
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:15,320
butterfly no I was more uh Rocky Balboa

594
00:25:13,799 --> 00:25:17,520
I'm afraid all right I like to think I

595
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:20,120
was Rocky Marciano but I was kind of

596
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:22,480
more Rocky Balo and not least cuz I was

597
00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:24,799
a southpaw leading with the right

598
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,640
instead of the left okay South Paul well

599
00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:28,360
that's all the tws we got time for and

600
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all we've got time for on this week

601
00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:32,880
week's show it just remains for me to

602
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,880
wish you and yours a very Merry

603
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:37,880
Christmas you can still tweet US during

604
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:40,880
Christmas at rtor Sputnik it's goodbye

605
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:42,980
from me gri and from me George Gallow

606
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it's been

607
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[Music]

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marvelous