1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:05,540 [Music] 2 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,960 I 3 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:38,879 welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world 4 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:40,879 with me George Galloway and me gri 5 00:00:38,879 --> 00:00:43,280 Bangladesh one of the world's most 6 00:00:40,879 --> 00:00:46,399 populous democracies continues to be 7 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:48,600 populous but has gotten a whole lot less 8 00:00:46,399 --> 00:00:50,239 Democratic last year's general election 9 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,440 in the country was boycotted by 10 00:00:50,239 --> 00:00:55,000 virtually everyone except the ruling 11 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:56,960 party fewer than 10% of the population 12 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:59,039 voted the reason for it being the 13 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:01,280 unprecedented decision by the prime 14 00:00:59,039 --> 00:01:03,680 minister to refused to hand over power 15 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:06,520 to a neutral caretaker government in the 16 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:08,759 runup to the polls thus helping ensure a 17 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:11,520 free and fair election since then 18 00:01:08,759 --> 00:01:14,360 Bangladesh has cascaded from one violent 19 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:16,360 crisis to the next political murders are 20 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:18,720 proliferating kidnappings and 21 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:21,400 disappearances too a personal friend of 22 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:23,680 mine A Member of Parliament ilas Ali is 23 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:26,360 one of those disappeared kidnapped at 24 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:28,960 gunpoint and never seen or heard of 25 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:31,960 again but it's not just personal in my 26 00:01:28,960 --> 00:01:34,040 case the absolute Mutual antipathy of 27 00:01:31,960 --> 00:01:36,200 the two ladies at the top on the one 28 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:38,079 hand the Prime Minister Shay Hina 29 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:40,520 daughter of the slain founder of the 30 00:01:38,079 --> 00:01:42,520 state Sheik mujib Rahman and on the 31 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:45,399 other hand the leader of the opposition 32 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:47,680 beum khadia Widow of Sheik mujib 33 00:01:45,399 --> 00:01:50,079 successor it's a given and will never 34 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:52,600 cease but though tireless efforts are 35 00:01:50,079 --> 00:01:55,360 made in Bangladesh to criminalize the 36 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:57,880 politicians who just left office it has 37 00:01:55,360 --> 00:02:00,200 been rare for either side to threaten 38 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:03,079 the lives of the respective leaders 39 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:05,039 until this week as we speak the leader 40 00:02:03,079 --> 00:02:08,039 of the opposition has been locked up in 41 00:02:05,039 --> 00:02:09,840 her office literally padlocked in and 42 00:02:08,039 --> 00:02:12,040 surrounded by thousands of armed 43 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:15,239 Troopers more than that she's been 44 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:18,200 sprayed with gas and pepper spray and is 45 00:02:15,239 --> 00:02:20,840 reportedly finding breathing difficult 46 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:23,200 democracy may be being murdered in 47 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:26,920 Bangladesh but if the opposition leader 48 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:29,120 is murdered to a nation of 160 million 49 00:02:26,920 --> 00:02:30,640 people will become literally 50 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,840 uncontrollable 51 00:02:30,640 --> 00:02:36,920 joining us now to make sense of it all 52 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:39,360 is hon kobir special advisor to Mr TK 53 00:02:36,920 --> 00:02:42,239 Rahman senior Vice chairman of the 54 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:44,920 Bangladesh nationalist party thanks for 55 00:02:42,239 --> 00:02:47,200 joining us hon bring us up to date 56 00:02:44,920 --> 00:02:49,840 what's exactly happening in the country 57 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:52,560 right now well uh thank you George and 58 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:54,640 gri for inviting me here this afternoon 59 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:58,000 George uh Bangladesh is a country close 60 00:02:54,640 --> 00:03:00,239 to your interests and uh particularly in 61 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,360 your role uh as a former member Member 62 00:03:00,239 --> 00:03:05,200 of Parliament 63 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:07,799 IES represented the largest Bangladeshi 64 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:09,480 community in the UK Europe you know 65 00:03:07,799 --> 00:03:11,040 outside of Bangladesh anywhere in the 66 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:14,440 world 67 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:16,640 um what uh stems the discussion here is 68 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:19,480 that on 5th of January 69 00:03:16,640 --> 00:03:22,879 2014 we had a fical parliamentary 70 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:26,440 election in Bangladesh where 71 00:03:22,879 --> 00:03:29,159 153 parliamentary seats a parliamentary 72 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:31,360 majority uh were elected without a 73 00:03:29,159 --> 00:03:34,319 single 74 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:37,840 citizen being El you know casting their 75 00:03:34,319 --> 00:03:40,640 vote which is UN opposed 153 MPS un 76 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:43,920 oppos yes because of the boycot out of a 77 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:47,239 potential 90 million electorate you know 78 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:49,200 hardly a single citizen eligible citizen 79 00:03:47,239 --> 00:03:51,879 who are entitled to exercise their 80 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:55,560 Democratic franchise did not vote in 81 00:03:51,879 --> 00:03:59,519 this election this is Shake's regime 82 00:03:55,560 --> 00:04:03,079 today is an illegitimate government 83 00:03:59,519 --> 00:04:06,040 which is not owned by the people it had 84 00:04:03,079 --> 00:04:10,079 it only has a questionable perhaps a 85 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:15,320 questionable 10% of you know eligible 86 00:04:10,079 --> 00:04:18,040 voters who voted in that election um 153 87 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:20,400 seats you know a parliamentary majority 88 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:22,639 without a single you know without 89 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:25,440 without uh you know the eligible 90 00:04:22,639 --> 00:04:29,000 electorate having there say prior to the 91 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:30,600 5th January 2014 elections the fal 92 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,240 elections the the partisan elections 93 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,800 that the people of this country of 94 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:37,080 Bangladesh overwhelmingly rejected 95 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,759 because you know neither it reflected 96 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,479 their will and expression International 97 00:04:38,759 --> 00:04:42,759 Democratic the international Democratic 98 00:04:40,479 --> 00:04:45,080 Community cond those elections in terms 99 00:04:42,759 --> 00:04:46,919 of participation it did not deflect the 100 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:49,600 will of expression of the people of 101 00:04:46,919 --> 00:04:51,960 Bangladesh shikina promised that she was 102 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:54,880 averting a constitutional crisis by 103 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:57,240 holding those elections but in fact what 104 00:04:54,880 --> 00:05:00,160 she did at the time she brought about a 105 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:02,600 constitutional crisis so you had the 106 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:05,280 tenure of the last Parliament extending 107 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:07,880 to over nearly a month and a half after 108 00:05:05,280 --> 00:05:10,479 the fical elections of 5th January 109 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:13,240 2014 the Parliamentary legislature in 110 00:05:10,479 --> 00:05:16,199 Bangladesh has 300 seats uh you ended up 111 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:18,479 with 600 parliamentarians you handed up 112 00:05:16,199 --> 00:05:21,000 almost with 100 member cabinet so you 113 00:05:18,479 --> 00:05:25,440 had two cabinets basically the cabinet 114 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:28,440 that existed uh January and po January 115 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:29,800 so in fact it her one-sided election 116 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,880 when the international democratic 117 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,840 committee was saying you know you need 118 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:36,800 to hold a part you know an election that 119 00:05:33,840 --> 00:05:39,520 is participatory that is inclusive wide 120 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:42,319 public opinion in the country all print 121 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:44,720 and broadcast broadcast media run 122 00:05:42,319 --> 00:05:48,840 polling public polling showed that 123 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:50,680 almost over 95% of the people wanted a 124 00:05:48,840 --> 00:05:52,039 neutral ker government to administer the 125 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,880 elections because they don't believe a 126 00:05:52,039 --> 00:05:55,960 which had always been done before before 127 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,880 and it was part of the Constitution and 128 00:05:55,960 --> 00:06:00,319 she you know went ahead with the 129 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:02,199 one-sided election also from missing a 130 00:06:00,319 --> 00:06:03,600 dialogue that you know I need to have a 131 00:06:02,199 --> 00:06:05,360 constitutional crisis and immediately 132 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,319 I'll resume dialogue but it's almost 133 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,840 been it's been a year now she has not 134 00:06:07,319 --> 00:06:10,240 resume dialogue she doesn't have the 135 00:06:08,840 --> 00:06:12,400 Mandate of the people to govern the 136 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:14,759 country and she cannot be given any 137 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:16,960 chance to go on like this you know 138 00:06:14,759 --> 00:06:20,639 illegitimately a new constitutional 139 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:23,319 crisis has uh become uh apparent the 140 00:06:20,639 --> 00:06:25,919 leader of the opposition no less a 141 00:06:23,319 --> 00:06:30,280 former prime minister of the state is 142 00:06:25,919 --> 00:06:32,759 now padlocked inside her party office 143 00:06:30,280 --> 00:06:36,440 uh more than that she's being sprayed 144 00:06:32,759 --> 00:06:40,919 with gas and pepper spray her life could 145 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:43,440 be in danger the consequences of that uh 146 00:06:40,919 --> 00:06:45,000 couldn't be more grave really could they 147 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,360 you know you said a new constitutional 148 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,960 crisis has uh come about now 149 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:51,759 constitution in Bangladesh has gone out 150 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:54,880 the window you know due to uh the 151 00:06:51,759 --> 00:06:57,960 autocratic nature of shik Hina and her 152 00:06:54,880 --> 00:07:01,919 illegitimate government you know she has 153 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:06,120 enacted and amended the Constitution to 154 00:07:01,919 --> 00:07:07,800 um enact legislative measures that the 155 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:10,440 constitution of Bangladesh can never be 156 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:13,360 changed again even after her period you 157 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:15,400 know ends it is absolutely ludicrous and 158 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,879 fical and absurd you know could you have 159 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:19,879 that here in Westminster could you have 160 00:07:16,879 --> 00:07:21,319 it in any par we don't have ation yes 161 00:07:19,879 --> 00:07:23,680 you don't have a written Constitution 162 00:07:21,319 --> 00:07:27,160 maybe that's a better idea so what 163 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:30,039 what's going to happen you know um she 164 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:33,000 fears any leader who who have you know 165 00:07:30,039 --> 00:07:35,360 she fears beam Zia because of her 166 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:37,000 Democratic credibility her you know in 167 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:39,560 terms of her attachment to the people of 168 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:44,159 Bangladesh remember even during the 169 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:46,800 period of uh 2006 when uh at the back 170 00:07:44,159 --> 00:07:49,280 end when we had uh the interim military 171 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:52,240 back Administration coming beum Zia 172 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:55,199 didn't leave the country shik Casina did 173 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:57,960 um so she is much more engraved among 174 00:07:55,199 --> 00:08:00,159 the people of Bangladesh she fears her 175 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:03,759 democratic acceptability and her 176 00:08:00,159 --> 00:08:06,720 credibility and out of that fear she is 177 00:08:03,759 --> 00:08:09,599 you know trying to Bar uh or isolate 178 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:11,840 beam Zia from the people of Bangladesh 179 00:08:09,599 --> 00:08:13,680 but that will is she is she able to 180 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:16,039 communicate with the people from the 181 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:19,560 office she is she's she's giving 182 00:08:16,039 --> 00:08:21,919 statements regularly uh in terms of uh 183 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:25,479 so you know statements are uh being 184 00:08:21,919 --> 00:08:28,800 issued um by her office she's issu 185 00:08:25,479 --> 00:08:30,840 issuing them directly similarly Mr Tark 186 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:33,519 Rahman senior Vice chairman of the 187 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:37,000 Bangladesh nationalist party uh last 188 00:08:33,519 --> 00:08:39,000 week uh last Sunday in fact called upon 189 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:42,000 the people of Bangladesh his speech was 190 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:46,000 aired from London live by a private TV 191 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:48,040 channel aushia TV ETV um subsequently 192 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:50,760 following his speech after the TV 193 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:52,640 channel aired it and it received popular 194 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:56,000 Democratic response he called out for 195 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:59,160 the PE for the people to uh engage in a 196 00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:01,560 democratic Uprising to this government 197 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,839 so after receiving popular response now 198 00:09:01,560 --> 00:09:06,600 the government has shut down that 199 00:09:02,839 --> 00:09:09,279 channel arrested uh Mr Salam of ETV who 200 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:11,839 is the chairman of ETV on fabricated 201 00:09:09,279 --> 00:09:14,480 pornography charges so you can see the 202 00:09:11,839 --> 00:09:17,200 uh the fical nature of this government 203 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:20,320 she's digging herself uh deeper and 204 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:24,800 deeper into this hole uh if David 205 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:27,920 Cameron padlocked Ed miliband into the 206 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:31,360 labor party headquarters and spray them 207 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:35,640 with gas he would be enhancing the 208 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:37,959 popularity of miliband uh manyfold the 209 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:41,279 same is almost certainly Happening Here 210 00:09:37,959 --> 00:09:43,640 in Bangladesh so what's Sheik hina's way 211 00:09:41,279 --> 00:09:46,240 out of this I think what Sheik Hina has 212 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:47,800 done is she is opening up a Ken of worms 213 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:51,000 you know the analogy the English analogy 214 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:54,800 of oping up a k k of worms to sort of 215 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:57,560 duck one bad decision one bad action one 216 00:09:54,800 --> 00:10:00,720 bad policy she's opening up another uh 217 00:09:57,560 --> 00:10:05,000 she's committing another bad 218 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:05,000 um and you know she's running out