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welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world

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with me George Galloway and me gri Borno

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province in Nigeria is a far off land of

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which we know little not least because

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what happens there is of virtually no

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importance to the Western media and the

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political class it echoes in the same

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week that 17 people died in Terrorist

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outrages in Paris 2,000 people died in

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another the terrorist outrage in Borno

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no hashtags for them indeed virtually no

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coverage of any kind at all last year

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there was a brief flurry of concern

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about the victims of Boh Haram and for a

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couple of weeks everyone from Michelle

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Obama in the White House to sahayak on

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Hollywood's red carpet held up this

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Placer showing # bring back our girls

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but it didn't last long the Caravan

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moved on and the

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276 girls never came back Bo Haram

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literally books are forbidden is a

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Savage group of throat Cutters who

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whilst drowning every Islamic principle

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in blood have recently declared their

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allegiance to the so-called cff hidden

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away in the Iraqi desert the Nigerian

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State seems incapable of defeating them

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so much so that the president the

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inaptly named good luck Jonathan managed

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to make a statement denouncing events in

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Paris and completely failing to mention

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the thousand slaughtered in his own

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country in the same week helping us to

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make sense of it all is in Del ADI of

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the London School of Oriental and

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African studies welcome to the Sputnik

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can we begin by trying to place boo

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Haram on some kind of spectrum who are

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they what are they are they islamists

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are they terrorists are they

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both I think they could be defined as

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being both although they would consider

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themselves obviously to be something

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different they if you ask them to Define

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themselves they'd probably say they are

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doing the work of God but to those who

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are familiar and who've been um targets

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of their attacks and who felt felt their

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Vengeance they would say otherwise I I

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personally would say that there are

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islamist terrorists who would like to

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carve out their own part of of um

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northern Nigeria in or in order to make

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it um an Islamic caliphate well they're

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carving it out in in blood aren't they

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in sectarian uh blood they are singling

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out uh Christian people and massacring

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them destroying places of Warship uh

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neither of which is remotely uh

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permitted uh by the Islamic religion

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indeed so is there no cleric in Nigeria

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to be found to make a fatwa

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uh to excommunicate these people or are

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people accepting that they are acting in

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the name of Islam I think you'll find

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that most people do not accept that they

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are acting on behalf of mus of Muslims

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or in in the in the name of true Islam

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um I know of a number of Islamic clerics

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in Northern Nigeria who have come out at

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the risk of their own lives and the

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safety of their families to say that

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what the sect is doing that says book

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is not Islamic at all and is not allowed

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in any of the the the Islamic scriptures

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at all and many of them have either been

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killed or been targeted for

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assassination only just um recently last

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um in the middle of last year during the

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fasting period uh a popular cleric in

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Northern Nigeria shika deu Boi who spoke

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out numerous occasions against the the

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these bloodthirsty people was attacked

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and many of the PE of the people who had

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gathered to listen to his um Ramadan tap

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um were killed actually so it's it's a

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case where bharam have alienated

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themselves from the communities in which

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they began and have alienated

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all rational Nigerians and I I think

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you'll find even within their own ranks

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from what I've been told their members

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who have become

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disenchanted and disillusioned with what

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whatever it is that their their their

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aims and and objectives are and would

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like to drop um their weapons if if they

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could sa safely do so and if perhaps the

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government reaches out to them to to to

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try to are they a local stroke National

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problem or are they part of an

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international they've recently uh

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declared uh that Borno at least will be

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a part of the uh Islamic State the

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caliphate uh declared by a

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self-appointed individual in mosul in

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Iraq Iraq is a long way from Nigeria how

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credible is that claim that they are a

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part of a an

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international well I think in terms of

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um ideological inspiration you could see

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that they are part of a larger Global

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Network of um islamist terrorism but I

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don't quite think that they've reached

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that level yet where we could

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see a collaboration between them and um

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and uh and Isis but I I I do think that

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they began initially as a local problem

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which led to them being ignored

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by by the current regime of good luck

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Jonathan and that that gave them the

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opportunity to blossom into something

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larger and we what we see today is the

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effect of the not being contained and

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curtailed by the government allowing

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them to mushroom into what could

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potentially become um um a transnational

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problem because as it as it stands at

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the moment they've um branched out

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beyond the borders of Nigeria to

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neighboring states like Cameroon and um

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even some of some of their members are

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are reported to be hiding out in the

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Republic of Chad as well so I I think

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it's a problem that could have um

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potential ramifications for neighboring

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countries I think you mentioned good

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luck Jonathan never could a man have

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been less aptly named he managed not

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just to ignore them uh but to do so at

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the very time he was condemning far far

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smaller outrages in Paris what's that

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about I think if anything it's it just

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reflects the value of the average

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Nigerian life to Good Luck Jonathan's um

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um government especially the lives of

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impoverished Nigerians in parts of the

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country where no one really cares for

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for them or what they they they do or

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what or what happens to them and I think

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that's sort of what we are seeing um

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after it I mean we're only just getting

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to know now about the the approximately

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2,000 who died in the in in the fishing

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town of Bara but

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apparently the the news only began

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filtering out of Barger a week after the

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attack actually took place and it tells

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you a lot about um not just the

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government but also how the military the

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Nigerian military is um reacting to this

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um um Scourge well you mentioned the

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Nigerian military which have in the past

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had uh Frank fearsome

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reputation uh and their military prowess

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is much used by the African Union and

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peacekeeping operations by the United

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Nations how come they're performing so

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pitifully against this gang it's quite

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um interesting to to see to to notice

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the um decline in in the the the the

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military

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prowess as it were of the Nigerian um

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army I mean close to a decade ago

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Nigeria used to to be considered um the

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the the big brother to all the other

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African nations when there was crisis in

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Liberia SI Leon the Congo Nigeria was

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always the first to send out troops

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Nigeria always contributed the um the

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the the the highest amount of manpower

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to join um pisin forces on the continent

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but as it stands now our

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military does not seem to have the the

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ability to to put a lid on what's going

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on in north in North Eastern Nigeria

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allowing buku Haram to continue to take

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over more towns and potentially cities

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if they are not stopped I read that last

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year 27 people per day died to Boh Haram

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related violence that accumulated to

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almost 10,000 last year how does this

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phenomenon of the Boh Haram terrorist

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group how does this take a how does this

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play in the coming presidential

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election I I was reading the one of the

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local newspapers a few days ago and I I

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read something about there being a

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possibility of people in the ravaged the

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the affected towns being um

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disenfranchised if the the attacks

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continue and I'm not quite sure if it's

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it's some perhaps a political stratagy

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by the the incumbent government to

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perhaps disenfranchise those um the

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people in those areas because perhaps

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the president knows that he cannot count

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on them delivering votes in his favor at

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the polls or if it actually comes from

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um an out a genuinely altruistic

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position whereby the president genuinely

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cares enough for those people and wants

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to guarantee their safety but I I I do

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suspect that the attacks will play a

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role in how um the elections do turn out

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eventually he going to win these

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elections how's this all going to

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end that's that's a that's that's diff

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that's a difficult question to answer

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but at the

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moment the majority of the people I've

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with onate

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dation do not feel that if this present

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regime is allowed to carry on asset is

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that there's going to be any hope for

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Nigerians collectively and I think it's

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on I mean with the the the way Nigerian

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elections are known for going it's it's

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likely that there might be post-election

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violence or there might be higher than

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usual um rate of rigging but I I I I'm

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not quite sure that this regime is going

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to be allowed to carry on especially

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because the president is considered to

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have failed on so many levels in terms

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of um delivering um the the dividends of

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of of democracy to the the Nigerian

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citizen is's considered to filled in

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terms of um guaranteeing the the safety

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of Nigerians collectively he's

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considered to filled and in terms of all

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the promises that all all the the things

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the promises that he made before the

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beginning of his first term he is

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considered to not have delivered on any

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of them except on paper and I think that

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will play a large role in how people

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decide to vote at the polls in February

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well it must be questionable well

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whether Nigeria is going to continue as

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a single State uh on the basis of what's

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happening in the north once you lose

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control of a territory uh you've

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effectively broken up as a country and

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given the price Nigeria has already paid

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in the past half century uh on that

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front that would be a disaster indeed

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thanks very much for coming thank on

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board the Sputnik coming up after the

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break down Mexico way they're killing

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the children find out who's doing what

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to whom and why in the very center of

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world welcome back to Sputnik the world

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has become in to massacres in Mexico

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where people are murdered in their

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hundreds usually connected to the Raging

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drug traffic across the country's border

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with the United States where there's a

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voracious hunger for Junk of every kind

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four months ago on September 26 43

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students from the rural College on their

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way to a protest in the town of igala

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were kidnapped murdered and buried in

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Shallow Graves the local mayor Jose Luis

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abara Velasquez and his wife Maria De

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Los Angeles pin Villa are claimed to

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have masterminded the abduction and

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killing the events caused social unrest

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Nationwide protests International

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condemnation and is arguably the biggest

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Poli iCal and security Scandal the

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Mexican presidency has ever faced

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Mexicans in their great majority are

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finally saying enough is enough when it

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comes to the rotten corrupt political

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class which has misruled the country for

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decades the London Mexico solidarity

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group is active in Britain and I'm glad

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they join us now on board the Sputnik

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cloudo Garcia erenel and Denise Drake

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welcome to the Sputnik I I want to ask a

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general question first where does the

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criminal Class end and the political

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class begin in Mexico or are they one

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and the same and well I think that is

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the question that most Mexicans are

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trying to answer now

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um there is not a clear line for the

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general public between criminal

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organizations and the Mexican

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Government um and the aapa case proves

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that the drug cartels and the Mexican

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Government are simply implicated in

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every single at every single level of

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the government both both these people

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the major and and his wife are actively

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H collaborating with ro cartels and to

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the date they haven't been um convicted

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for for the aot sinpa case they have

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been convicted for some other reasons

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but not because of of that

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um at the same time um they have been

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protected by the Mexican

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Government at least why why did the

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Mexican Government yes at least six

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months ago the Mexican Government knew

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that avara was a part of a drug cartel

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organization and they didn't do anything

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to stop it on the other hand recently um

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it was released by Hernandez a famous

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journalist in Mexico that the military

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and the federal police were tracking

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down the the students with a C4 uh

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Communication System um which means that

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you

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know the federal government the Army the

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federal police the Municipal Police the

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major all the levels of the government

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are involved in this crime and that it

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could have been avoided what danger were

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these students to these

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criminals um that is a question I cannot

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answer I think

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um this this is these students are

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politically active but it is Unthinkable

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that in the 21st century ER this kind of

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political crimes are still been going on

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so I think I think we don't have an

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answer yet to that yeah I mean it's like

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something from the from the 1970s 1980s

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when the death squads were roaming

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around many parts of Latin America the

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idea that they could get away with a

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crime like this is what uh baffles me

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Denise well and just to mention about

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the students in the 70s and the 60s um

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the students were raising funds to go to

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a protest in Mexico City which was to

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commemorate the October 2nd 1968

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Massacre of students coincided with the

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with the uh Olympics the Olympic Games

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when huge numbers of students were were

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gone down but in those days uh these

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kind of things were possible for regimes

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they got away with it five decades later

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the same political system is still in

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place but uh as clao says in the 21st

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century it's impossible to imagine that

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such a story will not Traverse the world

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I'm presuming uh that it's a big issue

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in Latin

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America it is a really big issue um

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unlike some other Latin American

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countries Mexico has not had Trials of

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justice and say like in Guatemala and um

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where the the society is able to convict

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uh the military or government the

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government in this kind of crimes well

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just to add these kind of crimes will

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continue to occur until the people rise

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up and say we've had enough and that's

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exactly what the zapatistas are doing in

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chapas and the students that were

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disappeared um were born out of that

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same tradition the school um aot NAA was

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one of the rural schools that was

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established after the Mexican Revolution

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and it was established to help um small

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farmers and their families and their

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children to learn to read to write to to

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um better Farm or to have the op or to

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pursue opportunities in the city and

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that is what is so threatening is people

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making decisions about their own lives

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and demanding autonomy you mentioned the

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chapas a couple of times tell us enl

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light us a bit about it um well Chiapas

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and for people who don't know um in

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Chiapas there is a movement called the

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zapatistas and the zapatistas broke onto

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the world stage onto public um light in

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1994 on the dawn of NAFTA when the US in

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Mexico and Canada signed that Free Trade

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Agreement um on Mid on midnight January

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1st 10,000 zapatista soldiers flooded

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out of the the mountains the Canyons the

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jungles of chapus and took over 7

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different towns and they said yeah Basta

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enough is enough they wore um uh they

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wore ski masks or they had bandanas

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kerchiefs across their their face and

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they said we are the voiceless We Are

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The Faceless you haven't heard us for

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500 years but that is over because this

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is not going to happen uh we are re

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we've been resisting since the Europeans

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came um 500 years ago you haven't killed

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us yet we're still here and we want out

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of this system

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that NAFTA and free trade is not going

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to bring Mexico into the first world

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first world haaha was one of their

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slogans so they're all indigenous mostly

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they they are they are people of Mayan

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descent there are people um of mixed

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Heritage who have chosen to join them

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but by and large it's an indigenous

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movement they are fighting for the lands

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and the territories that belong to their

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ancestors for millennium and how is the

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government responding to them oh with

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repression and um crackdowns but they

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will just keep fighting I mean their

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strength is they never surrender they

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will not be co-opted and they never give

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up but it hasn't spread uh across Mexico

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and it couldn't because it uh it is

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largely based uh in chapas and amongst

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uh indigenous people uh and it's uh it's

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brand of politics it's not uh at this

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point in time at least going to uh rally

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the support of the great majority of

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Mexicans but the great majority of

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Mexicans may be beginning to turn

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against the political system nonetheless

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is that accurate I think that's accurate

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um I would like to say that the saptist

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are an inspiration for many groups in

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resistance in Mexico um many times

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because they are dealing with

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environmental activism so um for

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instance in in PU

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there are hundreds of political

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detainees who have been trying to you

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know fight against Mega projects of the

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government for the zapatistas the

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political struggle is not about a

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realignment of the actors it's a

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horizontal vision and it is about um and

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it's not about the model spreading

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either the zapatistas are happy to share

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what they've accomplished and they

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invite people in because that's the only

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way you're going to learn about that is

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to go visit them themselves

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and they they share stories um just here

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at the end of the year we had the

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worldwide Festival of rebellions and

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resistances against um capitalism and

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what the zapatistas want to do is to

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share ideas and everybody to localize

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their own struggle that we may have some

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underlying common values and some

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underlying um other things that bring us

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together but everything has to be

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localized and figured out by people

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themselves you can't photocopy a

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revolution

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what's gone wrong uh in Mexico you

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mentioned the Mexican Revolution a very

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inspirational uh Revolution Mexico for a

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long time uh in geopolitics played a

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progressive role it seems to me as a um

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quite a distance Observer uh that that

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Mexico has gone very badly wrong in

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recent years well yes I think the

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majority of the people are facing

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dispossession um a low paid salary um if

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you look at the model that the Mexican

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Government is advertising well it's h

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basically one form of slavery where you

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get paid nothing and you work for hours

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and hours a day for for a CEO or

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something like that um uh on the other

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hand the the de democracy in Mexico is

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is at bias and I think the saptist are

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an inspiration for many Mexicans in in

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that regards as well in the sense that

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there is not a single party that

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Mexicans can trust so the question now

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is if that's true in many countries

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including this one I I guess that I

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guess that's right and but it the

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question is different once the

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politicians start kidnapping students

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sure um so I think um now people are

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starting to recognize why there was a

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campaign like the lra

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camp lra Camp was a campaign asking

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people not to vote now nowadays you have

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the activist Kier cilia asking exactly

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the same question do not vote because H

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giving your vote to a political party is

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basically supporting a criminal

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organization what a Pity well look the

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best of luck to the London Mexico

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solidarity group if there's anything

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that we can do to help you we're happy

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to do so thanks for coming on the

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sputnic and now it's your turn to tell

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us what you think through the portal of

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social media what's rattling gri well

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whatever happened to the 276 girls that

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were kidnapped by Boko Haram Mark Desi

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answers it backfired the moment that

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Michelle Obama tweeted that bring back

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our girl selfie and then it got rocked

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swept along with the mh1 17 preliminary

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report no I I think that the good luck

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Jonathan mishandled it badly uh he could

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either have fought or negotiated in the

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end he Deni

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on Mexico we've got our very own Stacy

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from the Kaiser report in Mexico at the

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moment and she tweets that I am

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currently Mexico and every single local

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I've asked says the US Finance drug war

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needs to end as it just kills too many

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Mexico today is like the USA in the 20s

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when prohibition led to Violent Mafia

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gangs and corrupt politicians well if

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that's what our stacy says and she's in

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Mexico who am I to argue well that's all

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that we have for this week

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which alas means that's the end of the

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show you can stay in touch with us on

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me George Galloway it's been marvelous

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