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okay OT 3 iideas

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welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world

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with me George Galloway and me G I've

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had many jobs laborer Tire production

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political organizer Aid worker Member of

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Parliament writer broadcaster but the

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one job I would have loved and can never

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have is Kremlin advisor our first guest

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is that or rather was and more and he's

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here to talk about the Ukraine as the

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gears crash upwards towards what could

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end up as a fullscale European War if

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last week's agreement doesn't stand he's

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Alexander necrosoft and he joins us now

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Alexander the ceasefire comes into

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effect tomorrow the Minsk agreement this

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week uh has some similarities to

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previous agreements some differences

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tell the viewers please how you see the

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agreement and whether you think it's

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going to stick well it is different from

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the one we had in September last year

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and I think the difference is that I

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think that both sides are seem to be

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more serious about the end result I

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think there is a certain will has

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appeared uh after these um long

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discussions U this week and I think that

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what we are witnessing here is that both

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Kev and the anti-government forces they

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are prepared to give this a chance now

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having said that and I always welcome by

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the way when politicians meet and talk

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uh even if they don't sometimes

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understand each other don't want to

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understand each other uh I think that

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the most important thing the most

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important thing lacking in this document

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in this agreement is that the Promise by

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the West not to drag Ukraine into NATO I

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think the main reason for this crisis

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developing and spreading is because

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there is a perception in Russia and in

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eastern Ukraine as well that America and

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the EUR European Union want Ukraine to

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become a full-blown me NATO member now

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parena and his lot in Kev have been

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making all sorts of noises basically

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saying it's time for Ukraine to join

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NATO that's a bad thing that creates

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problems that creates problems in all

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respects and that actually makes Russia

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think that there there's a game behind

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everything that penko says and does

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there's also a perception in Moscow in

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the Kremlin itself that penko is a war

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president that he is there to actually

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conduct war that he basically his future

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depends on that war if that stops his

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position becomes weak and he might fall

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so that is where this perception has to

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change penka has to prove to Russia that

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he is not a war president that he's the

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president as he says himself of all

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Ukraine now we need to see that proved

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by actions not just you know words said

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today this and tomorrow this well he's

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not much of a war president because his

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army has pretty comprehensively lost the

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war against coal miners Factory workers

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uh ordinary civilians who couldn't put

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up with the situation anymore how do you

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account for the well feeble performance

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of his forces is it lack of morale or

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what well I think there's a lot of uh

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problems that they have there first of

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all of course there's their cause is not

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just a just course I think a lot of

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people a lot of soldiers and officers in

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the Ukrainian Army do not want to kill

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their own people you know any army is

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very reluctant to go against its own

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people now also we have those so-called

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battalions funded by those oligarchs who

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want the war to go on because they are

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making money out of that war these

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battalions obviously are hardened

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Killers but they're not really

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professional fighters are they and I

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don't think that they can put up a

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serious fight and when they encounter

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the sort of resistance when which they

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encounter in the East I think they

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thought that you know those former

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yesterday's miners C drivers and so on

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would fight like you know like so

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courageously and and die for the for

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their people and for their country I

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think the biggest mistake the west and

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the new regime in Kev made was to

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alienate the East this was huge mistake

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this was such a huge miscalculation that

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they're paying for it even now and I

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think that the people in the west are

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gradually starting to realize well I

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wonder uh and that's uh I think uh an

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unanswered question from Minsk does this

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represent any kind of fure between the

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European Union particularly Germany and

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France and the United States isn't it

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the case that the United States is quite

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happy with the War uh wants to confront

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Russia but the German and French

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leadership do not well I I think

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personally that the reason why Merkel

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and Anand suddenly rushed to Moscow and

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all over the place is because there is a

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real realization in Western Europe in

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Brussels as well that this war can get

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out of control that this war can spread

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to Europe I think this is the only

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reason why suddenly we had this surge of

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diplomatic activity I think also Merkel

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and other leaders realized that Obama

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might not be bluffing with his idea of

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arming yeah the Ukrainian army with

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heavy weapon now first of all you have

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to be very naive to think that NATO is

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not already supplying the Ukrainian Army

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we have seen on Russian television

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examples of the weapons heavy machine

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guns ammo e even light armored vehicles

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and tanks and so on coming from the West

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okay there might be third parties but

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they're still there uh the Ukrainian

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for so long without supplies so it's a

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bit of a hypocritical maneuver here on

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the part of Obama and his administration

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to pretend that they're not supplying

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they are supplying already they're

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probably now talking about heavy

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Weaponry now I would think that um I'm

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guessing here but Obama's advisor are

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telling him and Obama is not a strong

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president when it comes to foreign

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policy he's a novice and Obama's

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advisers who are probably influenced by

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all sorts of people um in Wall Street

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and so on are saying to him we have to

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keep the pressure on Russia and which

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means of course continuing with the war

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and sanctions and the sanctions and

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that's why the Europeans don't want that

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because they are suffering because

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whatever Mr Cameron is saying or Merkel

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or orand or others they are suffering

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they are losing money and Greece I think

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there interesting part on the Greece

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gree's government is saying look this is

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hurting Europe they're open now they're

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openly talking about it and I think that

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Europeans Now understand that Americans

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don't want to understand they don't care

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about Europe and this is I think this

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wedge Putin is now driving it wider I

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think that's quite clever of him and

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that is why I hope that pressure in

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Europe on their politicians would would

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lead to this agreement at least you know

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all the sides trying to make it work

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unlike the previous one the previous one

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didn't work from day one no you know

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this time there's a certain change of

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mood I feel it at least one of the uh

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to start the clock ticking on a story

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when their cameras arrive and when it

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suits their narrative to start the story

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news Knight told the truth this week

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about the provocation the massacre of

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people in the maidan which in a way was

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the beginning of this story they showed

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in a remarkable film that the official

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story that it was the then Ukrainian

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government who conducted this massacre

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is completely

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untrue and they provided the evidence

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which proved as was suspected by some of

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us at the time though we were ridiculed

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as conspiracy theorists that this was a

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deliberate provocation to

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internationalize this story and to

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provide the moment

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behind the Keta which then uh then

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occurred is this widely known in Russia

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does everyone in

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Russia disbelieve the West's narrative

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or is there as it were an opposition

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ramp inside Russia that blames President

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majority of Russians

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obviously uh believe that the opposition

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during those um days of protests was

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responsible for what happened in Kev for

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the Bloodshed because Russian media was

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there on the ground it's very difficult

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to to say to people oh look you know it

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was a you know yanukovich's people

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starting all this horrible killings when

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there is footage of it they they they

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showed it I mean Russia Today their

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journalists were there on the ground I

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think they got many awards for that

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because it was actually a brilliant very

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dangerous brilant assignment

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you know reporting on their part so for

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the Russians it's no big deal to be

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honest it's maybe you know news night

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here saying this is remarkable although

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I would say it's just scking the books

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you know balanced coverage where you

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very sort of biased and very

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anti-russian and then occasionally they

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do invite even me for example you know

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so I think they TI that box balanced

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coverage because um it's so blatantly

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anti-russian that I think that now they

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realize no one's exploiting it in Russia

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is is President Putin's position still

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very strong in the country I think

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president position President Putin's

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Position will be strong for quite some

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time because the biggest mistake the

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West has made is to try to interfere in

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Ukraine and on the border with Russia

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you know after the Russians saw those

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footages of the dead children dead women

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you know on the streets and so on of

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danet and lugansk and others there's

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nothing you can do now to change their

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minds it's very difficult I think we had

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a Fascination in Russia in the yelson

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Years with the West unfortunately I

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would say so we could steal Russia's

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things well yes so that the trillions

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would flow into into the West Banks but

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um I think now this Fascination even

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amongst the Liberals you know Russian

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liberal they're very opposed to

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everything Putin says and does I think

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it's changing now it's going the young

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were very you know excited about all

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Western values Western Cinema Western

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culture western music it's changing now

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because suddenly they realized oh no the

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West is has its agendas and Ukraine was

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a big mistake huge mistake I think

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they've misjudged it I I sometimes

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wonder what sort of advisors do they

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have you know in London Paris Berlin

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Washington what do they say to their

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bosses don't they realize that this is a

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dangerous game they're playing don't

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they realize that it will hit them back

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not the advisers of course but the

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countries well as I always put it don't

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think our countries are run by James

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Alexander wonderful thanks very much for

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coming on board the Sputnik coming up

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after the break a legend in my lifetime

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he's a revolutionary a rockar are a

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writer and a right big fan of RT he's

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Robert Wyatt and he's up next on the

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Sputnik welcome back to Sputnik from the

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1960s until now Robert Wyatt is a

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Vindication of John Lennon's observation

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that a workingclass hero is something to

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be with soft machine as a solo artist

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and as a collaborator with the likes of

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Elvis Costello he helped transform the

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British music scene but just as

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importantly he's clung all his life to

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the need for a still greater

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transformation that of society as a

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whole he has remained a rare thing I'm

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sure amongst the top flight of rock

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stars a Marxist who had his shoulder to

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the wheel in many Great British

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struggles not the least of them the

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minor strike 30 years ago he's young

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gifted and he's back with just last

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month an authorized biography of Robert

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Wyatt by Marcus odir the book has

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stormed the FedEd corridors of the BBC

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as radio 4's book of the week and Robert

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Wyatt joins us now on board the Sputnik

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let's talk about the book first of all I

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know Robert you didn't write it you have

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no stake in it but it really is doing

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well it's getting critical Acclaim of

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the kind perhaps for the last few years

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you haven't had tell us about it okay a

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young man called Marcus o there I

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extraordinarily young but then I'm maybe

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extraordinarily old came up and said can

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I write a book about you and I thought

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well yeah you know it's free country go

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ahead so uh uh he I didn't know what he

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was going to do this about five years

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ago but anyway he went away and he did

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an amazing amount of homework

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interviewed us a few times I think I'm

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so pleased he he really made all effort

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to understand the songs and the music

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I've been doing a real effort and cross

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referencing you know what I was singing

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about I'm very grateful to

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well we we'll talk about your music

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career in a minute but um what makes you

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particularly interesting to me is the

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fact that uh you are someone who's been

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steadfast in your political ideals I

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myself have never lost the faith uh that

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I have had all since a teenage years

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were there any moments when you were

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tempted to lose your socialist Faith uh

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no you've been I mean the thing is I

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came to it late uh I noticed uh I mean I

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think you jumped into it feet first I

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mean from your background it was you

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know that's that's the way to go I I

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came from a rather vague sort of uh

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background mostly brought up uh as a

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sort of I don't know Christian liberal

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labor voting music person art person and

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it wasn't really till the mid '70s and

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particularly when I met my wife Alie

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who's very well read politically

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uh but then in the mid-70s anyway that I

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started to get concerned and it's like

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you don't miss stuff till it's gone and

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I did notice that uh that the that the

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gains made by the labor party that my

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parents had voted for when I was born in

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45 at the end of the war they were born

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with a lot of hope you know about you

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know a land fit for Heroes free health

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free National Health all this stuff and

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that it was sort of being dismembered

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and sneered at as kind of an acronis and

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I started to panic thought whoa wait a

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minute so the Paradox is I'm a sort of

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in that sense I'm a socialist

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conservative I I don't I don't like this

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right-wing Revolution I'm reaction I

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really like when everything sacred is

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profaned

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Sol I just didn't like it and I was a

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great analysis I just thought I don't

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like these people who were taking over

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you know it was not just the tourist but

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I didn't really like you know that came

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in after har W I just didn't like any of

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it and uh then I I so I felt I was

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pushed to what they call you know the

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hard left because uh I thought that the

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the C What's called the center ground

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was kind of vacuous spineless chinless

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and uh insult to the idea of pluralism

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really I thought there must be another

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way of looking at this and um and to my

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surprise I found myself uh drawn to the

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Morning Star newspaper and that sort of

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those sort of people and drawn into the

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various um and it's still going as as we

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are as we are let's go back to the

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beginning of the the musical scene who

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knew that in a town like Canterbury uh

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such a uh M A Music Factory was

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developing a bit like Detroit and uh and

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uh other scenes that have uh developed

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well no not if you've seen Detroit

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recently it's a very depressed uh Place

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tell us about the Canterbury scene what

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was in the water water in Canterbury at

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the time that you and others were coming

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forward yeah okay well a lot of us at

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the school where I was uh were Jazz fans

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cuz I spent the 1950s at school

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basically from the age of about five to

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about about 15 16 I left earlier than

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most of my friends I wasn't very

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academic but uh while I was there we we

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uh we listened to Jazz it's what we

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listened to and I suppose the seeds of

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both the ideas and the uh politics come

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from that because it turned out that

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most of the Jazz I likeed was by what

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are now African-American musicians and

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uh they became Our Heroes and uh so as

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the years went on and I saw more what

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was going on in the world I couldn't

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reconcile the status of uh African

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people of people of African origin

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politically in the world with the fact

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that they were if anything the

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aristocracy of culture as far as I was

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concerned uh and

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I so it was trying to square that Circle

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that got me drawn more and more into

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politics it came to a head when working

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in the early 70s with uh a few South

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African Exiles Chris McGregor but uh a

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trumpet player c a trumpet player called

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Moni faser who I worked with was the

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same age as me and died in hospital in

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England when I was about 30 I say same

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age of me in a way that was quite

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unnecessary and I was so so cross about

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that that I just that I just got stuck

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into the anti-apartheid struggle and

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then that could have led

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to that connotation that to associated

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with all the others you know Palestine

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and so on we have failed at many things

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in this country uh we once were great as

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an industrial power and now are not but

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culturally we have

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maintained uh a tremendous output to

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what do you account for

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that well

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um I think that one of the things

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happened after the second world war this

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is retrospective understanding I mean I

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didn't I was I was just too busy doing

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it at the time uh there was a thing that

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happened which there again took for

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granted at the time who didn't rise was

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rather shortlived which was simply that

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the labor idea was that workingclass

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people should be allowed the same access

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to education and opportunity at least as

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everybody else which of course meant

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necess necessarily free education and it

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lots of working class kids went into art

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colleges and you'll find that a lot of

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rock bands people actually people

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clearing John lenon of course Pete

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Townson uh were art college people and

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it's funny that it wasn't the music

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colleges which was still quite elitist

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at the time but the art colleges and I

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thing about the art col is where kids

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who weren't very academic could express

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themselves and it turned out that that

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they would do painting but a lot of them

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wanted to be in beat groups and uh at

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that time people like the Beatles and so

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on they all picking up on uh rhythm and

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blues in America as an alternative to

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the more sacker in pop stuff and that

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seen the way to go and we started out

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they don't now so much play for dancers

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so it's very good playing for dancers

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cuz it's not about M me

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self-expression it's about it's like

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more like being a cook in a restaurant

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you're trying to serve the the people

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and if you don't get the beat right they

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won't dance you know they and so if you

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do get it right and they do dance you're

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doing your job you know and I love the

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feeling of that and I recommend it to

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any musician starting out don't go

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around what being I want to express the

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great me do some work playing for people

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in in pubs and clubs you know it's good

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for you speaking of Pops I understand

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that you've become a verb now waiting

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when you randomly put different tracks

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together in a pub I can see how that

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happened makes my misses very cross

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though cuz I'm very polite like that I'm

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not sound paradoxical I'm not actually a

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troublemaker if I lived in a trouble

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free world I wouldn't make it you know

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uh but I wouldn't want to upset a Pub

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full of people if they're playing Pop

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records so uh I would never Wyatt myself

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I just want to go back to um how Jazz

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inspired you at the time and how you how

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that entwined with politics and

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political movement how do you see

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today's jazz music uh and it's link to

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to political motivation and if I may add

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uh we had Gad

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Atman few weeks ago was very intwined

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with this it comes from the most

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unlikely places you in Canterbury him in

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Tel Aviv even more unlikely look gillad

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i' I've been lucky enough to have gillad

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on the most of the records I've done

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this century three or four uh three or

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four CDs three or four the ones I'm most

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happy with and he's great to work with

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in the studio you can't stop him you

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know get in there he said what you want

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on here Claret said do you want a b a

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saxville do you want a b a ten yeah okay

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he just works he loves to play amazing

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musician he's got an energy bling and

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it's all content it's not just you know

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so Gill yeah so how do people get I mean

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you and Canterbury him and Tel Aviv how

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do you come to Jazz well in his case he

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heard I think some Charlie Parker

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records when he was a boy and uh just

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thought these are my people and it's

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very funny

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and uh he sort of translated that into

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his own circumstance but in my case uh

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it was simply that in fact around 1960

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about 10 years before the a lot of white

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stuff came up really early there was

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some very militant black uh as it was

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then called American music jazz people

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like Max Roach who did a incredible

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record called we insist Freedom now

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suddenly rolling a saxophone player

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who's still playing uh did the freedom

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suite at Charles mingz was playing fa

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was a forus against uh American people

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who weren't stopping integration and so

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on and so I was actually politicized by

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those musicians and another thing that

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happened alongside that was that black

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Americans a lot of them uh the musicians

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started uh giving themselves well became

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Islam Muslims and we everyone knows

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about Muhammad Ali from cassus clay he

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said I'm not Greek that's I call myself

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mam Ali but then there um there whole

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kind of people a

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saxophonist some my favorite the book

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called Yousef Latif even the great

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drummer art Blakey Chang his name to

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Abdul Al bu it was they all doing at

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shahib seab these are all names of

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African-American CH TRS at that time

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Robert Wyatt you certainly ain't stolen

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at 70 still going strong thanks for

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coming on board this thank very much for

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having me thank

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you and now it's your turn to tell us

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what you think through the portals of

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social media what's rattling guys

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well about the Ukraine Rea amra says

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that the foundation for World War III is

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being laid and so it got me thinking is

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the Ukraine a Kosovo or a Syria waiting

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to happen Evelyn brunwick says that

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Syria is also all about Russia if Syria

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Falls Russia loses last Western base

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surrounded and isolated Cold War well I

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don't think Russia's uh particularly

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isolated right now it has a Nextdoor

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friend forget what it's called oh China

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China it's called okay all right well

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let's all we out for this week which

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alas means that's the end of the show

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you can stay in touch with us on Twitter

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at rtor Sputnik and on Facebook Sputnik

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on Russia today it's goodbye for me G

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and from me George Gallow it's been

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marvelous

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[Music]

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oh