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welcome back to Sputnik orbiting the

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world with me George Galloway and me

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gatri the Electoral Kaleidoscope has

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been shaken the pieces are in flux but

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where will they land Britain has turned

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blue or has it only 24% of the British

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people voted for David Cameron yet he

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now has un tremel power to do whatever

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he likes and for five long years ever

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more cuts and it andram of

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privatizations a huge reduction in the

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size of the state except the security

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state that we are already promised will

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get larger and more invasive than

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anything seen in Britain in peacetime

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today we've assembled two of the most

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astute observers of the British

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political scene first off the associate

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editor of the Guardian newspaper Sheamus

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Mill and Sheamus welcome to Sputnik it

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looked like a landslide if you look at

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the map gatri said Britain has turned

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blue but it's not quite like that really

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is it no it's no kind of landslide I

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mean the the Tories have got a majority

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of 12 which is a workable majority but

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it's a small one historically and of

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course as you were saying you know the

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proportion of the population that voted

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for the Tories is under a quarter they

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even didn't manage to get 37% of those

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who voted and the turnout was low um but

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that's the rules of the game now I think

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what made it for the went up what 0

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something wasn't it 0.8% was their

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increase in the vot and the labor the

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increase in the labor vote was

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1.4% um what made it look like a

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landslide on the night was the

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expectations which had been built up by

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the polling in the previous two or three

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weeks in particular um which had had

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promised that there would be a dead heat

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between the two main parties and that

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would have meant possibly a a labor Le

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government with a a Rainbow Coalition of

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progressive parties behind it because

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that was how the numbers would have

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stacked up if that had been correct and

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it wasn't correct and that night on the

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night of the election when people saw

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the exit pole across Britain they were

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astounded because it was so out of

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kilter with what had been suggested by

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the polls and now people are obviously

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digging into why that was the case but I

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think in in relation to how it actually

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is going to look for the next two or

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three years it's going to it's a far

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weaker government than has been talked

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about in the last few days I think you

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know that majority will start to erode

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there are also well I've sat in many

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parliaments with small majorities like

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that and they don't survive first

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contact with With the Enemy and with

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reality and I mean the Enemy Within of

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course uh John Major's government was

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absolute hell for the Prime Minister and

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he had more than 12 I think of a

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majority uh and Europe of course remains

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a big fissure in your excellent peace in

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the guardian this week you highlighted

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also the Scottish question uh which is

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going to be uh very very significant in

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this uh Parliament so why then has he

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come out fighting quite so uh

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aggressively I mean the early few days

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were one announcement after another of

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thatcherite policies that Mrs thater

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might have bulked at well I mean it

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makes sense for the from the Tory point

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of view doesn't it because they've had a

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buildup of resentment within the

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conservative party in Parliament and

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outside at Cameron's constant ducking

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and Diving and compromises with the

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liberal Democrats under the Coalition

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there's the sense that these people

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didn't get jobs who wanted them and uh

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that that Cameron was never right-wing

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enough for them that if he had been more

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right-wing he would have won the

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election in 2010 and now is the chance

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to give them the jobs and show his true

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tory metal and then the other point is

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that if you want to get your radical

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stuff in for any government it's best to

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do it quickly because it become more

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difficult as time go goes on the

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majority will start to erode H and so I

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I think from the Tory point of view it's

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the right thing to do to be radical at

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the beginning and they're certainly you

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know rolling it out rapidly so we've got

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one thing after another I mean one of

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the most dramatic things which was in

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the election Manifesto but wasn't hardly

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discussed in the election is the plan to

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make strikes as good as illegal by

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setting thresholds for voting and

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turnout which are just never met in most

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um strike ballots because they insist on

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a postling postal balloting system

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instead of Internet balloting which

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would be much easier for people to vote

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in so there's going to be a battle about

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that then there's the threat to

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introduce new legislation against

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so-called extremism which is as far as I

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can see from what's been said a full-on

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attack on freedom of speech in Britain

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only a few months after we were all all

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in the name of British values all in the

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name of British vales it was just surely

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but now it's no longer a British value

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uh that people are allowed to hold views

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and express them within the law that's

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whaton part of that was held back under

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the previous government by

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libm ministers but not only there was

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opposition from within the Tor party to

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that because it was seen as

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soberal authoritarian yeah so

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authoritarian and there's a obviously a

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faction within the Tory party that is

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quite libertarian and doesn't like that

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kind of stuff so I think that the

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opportunities for a battle about many of

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these things are going to be there both

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inside Parliament and outside Parliament

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so the demoralization that the majority

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of Britain who didn't vote for this

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government is feeling or has been

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feeling in recent days I think that will

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start to dissipate as people see the

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opportunities for for taking the

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government on and for changing some of

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their Direction it's not just Muslims

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though is it we were discussing this uh

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this morning uh we're used to inured to

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attacks on Muslim expression but the

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wording of the new extremism agenda is

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far wider than that it's threatening to

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people on Twitter on Facebook it's

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threatening to alternative of

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broadcasters and so on because it's

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actually the classic Cold War definition

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of what they used to call subversion

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which is undermining parliamentary

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democracy something which can be

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interpreted in any way uh the government

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chooses and so if they want to clamp

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down on all sorts of um political

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activity uh against the government

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against Foreign Wars um against uh uh

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threats to indust the right to

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they can do it under this legislation I

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mean it is a very very authoritarian

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yeah and almost War like speak yeah it's

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like like it was extraordinarily

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belligerent I mean it was saying that

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we've been far too tolerant uh prepared

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to let people have their views as long

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as they were within the law as long as

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there was no violence but now we're

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going to turn that page they're

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explicitly saying they will clamp down

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on things which are not currently

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illegal not only incitement to violence

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but incitement to hatred of you know an

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religious or ethnic or or or other forms

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of hate speech that's already covered no

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it's not about that this is about

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politics this is about people's right to

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argue their case for political

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Alternatives and they're planning right

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now to clamp down it while clamp down on

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it while on the other side of the world

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they'll be denouncing governments

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Elsewhere for doing exactly the same be

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overthrowing them if they can let's turn

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to uh to labor politics in your

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week you talked about what labor should

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not do that they should not uh turn back

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essentially Tony Blair who only a year

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or so ago looked set for a kind of

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wintry Exile chill Cott and the rest

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looming is now right back Center Stage

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isn't he well they they were waiting for

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this moment and they have been preparing

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for weeks and months for labors defeat

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so that they could try and retake the

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party which of course they've never lost

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control of completely at all but they

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position was weakened after Ed Milan

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became um leader and the moment the the

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results came in they were out of the

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traps first Peter mandon and Tony Blair

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who were the architects of new labor and

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then a string of ex- new labor ministers

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almost all of whom became directors in

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privatized companies that they'd

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previously been handing out contracts to

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um arguing the case for uh you know a

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return to what they regard as the center

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ground which is I think can be

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interpreted best as um the centerr as

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perceived from the city of London

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corporations and the uh and the

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corporate controlled media rather than

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the actual centerr of where British

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public opinion is um and for they were

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attacking Ed millerand obviously as

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being to anti- business two leftwing

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wearing a red tie too often I saw one uh

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one one report but I mean the the

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reality is that their politics which was

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successful in the

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1990s um in a period when there was a a

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city-funded credit fueled boom and uh

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the Cold War had just ended since the

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crash of that neoliberal economic model

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and Ne economic system which took place

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in 2008 and the recovery not only here

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but throughout the Western economies

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have still not really taken place at all

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the economies are still crippled by that

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terrible crisis the idea that you can

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just wind the clock back and be

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successful in that narrow sense again is

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just not realistic we've just had an

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election ction where not only votes uh

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hammered off to the greens the Scottish

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national party both of whom had

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positioned themselves well to the left

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of the Ed millerand Labour party but

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also to the UK Independence Party part

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of whose appeal is to workingclass

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voters who believe themselves not to be

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served by uh the labor party in the new

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labor era and afterwards they didn't

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notice enough of a difference and by

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globalization and by globalization and

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by the destruction of the industrial

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base and the working and the employment

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base in those areas you know the idea

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that by appealing to them on the basis

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of new labor politics of pro corporate

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um middleclass orientated politics alone

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the idea you're going to win them back

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is just laughable nor for that matter in

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the Tory labor marginal seats where

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labor hardly made any progress at all

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you you you can't ignore the large

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workingclass disaffection with with

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labor they either because those votes

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often went to ukip or they didn't vote

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at all and we're just getting the

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evidence now to show that actually

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Labor's problem was bigger with

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workingclass voters than it was with the

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uh middle-income voters that the

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blairites and new labor politicians of

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yester year are saying that should be

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the focus of everything so that's

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clearly not the answer but they have

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huge support in the media who want to

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still present them 25 years later as

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modernizers in a rather bizarre uh

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formula but they supported obviously by

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the corporate interests in the country

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by the city of London by the corporate

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own media and that's giving them a big

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wind and obviously because Labor's been

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defeated and it didn't make uh much

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progress electorally under Ed millerand

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uh after a period in which not only did

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he not position the party in a way that

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was clear enough uh to most of the

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potential voters but also didn't uh

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discredit the Tory claim that labor had

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been responsible Labor's overspending

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had been responsible for the crisis

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which is laughable economically but was

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repeated ad nauseum in the medium by the

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Tory politicians but obviously labor

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didn't succeed and so in those

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circumstances it's a golden moment for

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the failed politics of blism and new

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labor who oversaw a loss of 5 million

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labor votes between 1997 and 2010 to

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make a comeback but it's obviously not

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the the answer not only for labor party

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but for people in Britain who want an

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alternative government it's got to be

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something different but it's it's going

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to be a difficult struggle I think the 5

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million

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labor voters that'll be the question uh

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or ought to be the question uh but may

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not thanks very much Sheamus Mill coming

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up after the break more on the new blue

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Britain with RT's crack political

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analyst Neil Clark don't miss

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it welcome back to Sputnik David Cameran

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is now the most powerful Tory prime

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minister since Margaret Thatcher and he

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seems to have found a long lost

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appreciation for The Iron Lady indeed he

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getting ready to venture where she might

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not have dared but how much of a mandate

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for all this does he really have and

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what will become of the once proud labor

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party will it turn right back to Blair

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or will it turn left back to real labor

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that's the question we'll now put to one

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of the shrewdest of Britain's political

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analysts crack commentator Neil Clark

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Neil let's deal with this issue of the

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Mandate first M um we know that less

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than a quarter of the British people

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voted for them yet they got an overall

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parliamentary majority we know that only

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half the Scottish people voted SNP but

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they got yes seems like

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99% of the seats isn't one of the first

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things that's thrown up here is the

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peculiarity to say the least of the

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British electoral system oh absolutely I

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think it I think the British electoral

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system uh is fundamentally undemocratic

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and you don't have to be a ukip

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supporter to to to really appreciate how

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badly done they've been because they

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pulled I think it was uh just under four

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million vot and they get one MP and the

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greens get 1.1 million votes which is a

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great Poll for them and they get one

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seat so I think that uh uh reform of our

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electoral system really is up there on

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the list of things progressives need to

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be campaigning for because it's a block

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on Progressive politics in this country

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yeah uh and it forces within the labor

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party certain choices that otherwise be

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there I'll come to that in a minute ukip

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would have had more than 80 MPS under

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proportional representation and yet we

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can't get proportional representation

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unless the big parties agree to it

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there's no chance of the Tories agreeing

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to it they're the beneficiaries of it

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any sign that labor might be rethinking

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his position well I hope so I hope so

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because I've just written an article for

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the RT website on how it happens that

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the EST the pro most pro-establishment

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party always wins British elections and

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in fact that's been the case since 1974

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Harold Wilson in 1974 was the last time

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a party that wasn't the establishment's

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number one choice won election in

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Britain and the electoral system plays a

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big part in this uh in preventing

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Progressive parties from being elected

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and so I think the labor party now

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really ought to reconsider it its

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position because because it's lost out

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and I think that uh you know if you look

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at it it's not just about the votes we

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talk about the greens got 1.1 million

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how many more people would have voted

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green had they belied if it counted and

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so I think that uh a lot of people as we

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know the scare wronging in this election

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was absolutely outrageous people were

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were scared into voting a conservative

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and I think that uh electoral reform is

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the is as I said I think it's what

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Progressive should be campaigning we

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don't have a state uh run media in this

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country but then we don't need one no

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absolutely the the the privately owned

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media does the job uh

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unbribable the only thing certain about

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British elections is who's going to lose

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them yes Absol the working people and

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that's been true uh arguably always

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let's talk about ukip for a minute they

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are something of a phenomenon they uh

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took they did far more damage to labor

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than they did to the conservatives they

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only ended up with one MP who looks like

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he might be uh on his bike uh out of

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ukip uh if recent coverage is anything

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to go by

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how do you analyze ukip and its voters I

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think it's very interesting to to to

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analyze the rise of ukip Because if you

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think about it back in 2012 and 13 they

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got a very positive press the media was

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all behind them at the time of the

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European elections last year when they

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did uh very very well yes and the talk

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was what a threat they posed to the

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conservative party but I think yuk and

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themselves have been manipulated too by

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the likes of Rupert Murdoch and and the

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media Barons because it's quite clear as

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you said that you keep seriously damaged

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the Chan of Labor in this election labor

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lost an awful lot of votes in England uh

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to ukip and I think that uh you know

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where uh they've got one one seat and of

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course there's a lot of anger among ukip

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supporters now I think that uh millerand

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I think Ed Mand and I wrote about this

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several times made a key mistake in not

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agreeing to an EU referendum I think he

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he I'm not saying that all the people

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who voted ukip move from labor was

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because of that issue but I think that

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was an important issue it's easy to

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imagine that you

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voters are thoroughly reactionary from A

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to Z but that's not true uh on economic

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questions for example on issues of uh

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globalization the remorseless March of

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inhuman capitalism on public ownership

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National ownership that's an interesting

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point yeah absolutely they are actually

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blue collar labor well when I set up my

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pressure group The Campaign for public

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ownership which is a pressure group to

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campaign for the rationalization of the

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railways and the other util ities the

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first inquiries we got were from ukit

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members and ukit members have been very

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supportive and so I think on economic

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matters the average ukit voter is very

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much to the left the taking old labor

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positions uh anti- globalization for

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public ownership and I think that that

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is another reason why labor has perhaps

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lost votes to ukip if they haven't been

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strong enough in opposing globalization

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and supporting public ownership and I

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think this the sort of the way that you

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as I said the ukit voters are betrayed

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is the very right-wing uh people they're

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not I think on economic matters they are

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on the left which is why I think another

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reason why they've done well in England

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taking votes off labor so Labor's got to

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look at that and the idea that that that

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labor can recapture voters and can win

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elections by going back to blism well is

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absolutely ludicrous when you think of

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where they've lost votes to yuk voters

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the last people they're going to vote

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for are Blair right that's the very

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point I was about to raise with you the

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idea that say Conjuring chukaa out of a

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hat as a kind of new Blair new Obama new

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Blair yes uh is perfectly absurd how

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would turning back to blism win back

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labor voters who voted SNP in the

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elections when the SNP were running a

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vibrantly anti- austerity left-wing uh

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campaign how would it win back green

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voters and how would it win back ukip

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voters uh from their positions of old

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Labor uh on uh on economic matters yes I

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think by any objective assessment The

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Logical conclusion is Labor's got to

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move to the left now because it's been

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outflanked on the left from the S&P and

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by the greens and on economic Matters by

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ukip too which is taken a very populist

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economic uh message out to voters and so

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yet we've got this wave of Blairs coming

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out now in the media saying no we've got

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to actually go back to this ludicrous uh

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this mythical Center ground yeah uh but

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a center ground is by definition a mid

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point between left and right cha is not

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the centerr in British politics not at

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all if if you take the greens the SNP

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and ukip how does blism end up as the

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center ground well it only do the

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conservatives we've got to mention

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Rupert Murdoch here because I think he's

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played a massive role in the election

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again and not only that not only has he

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played a massive impact had an influence

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on the result a massive influence he's

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now his papers are now seeking to tell

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us who should be the next labor leader

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yeah and I think we've got to examine

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this Murdoch uh uh link to this cancer

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in British politics and I go as far to

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describe it as that that every every uh

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uh election since 1979 the party that

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the sun has supported has won uh the

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election some of us thought that this

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days of Murdoch power were on the Wayne

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and that the new social media would

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change things but the depressing Point

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yeah old media is still very strong and

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old media continues to drive the agenda

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there no doubt about that what's going

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to be different about the conservatives

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this time I've been surprised by how

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Brash how uh belligerent even their

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first few days in power has been well

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the shackles are off now aren't they

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really and in a sense that's a good

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thing because there's nobody else they

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can blame you know they they they they

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very successfully blamed uh the

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unpopular majors of the Coalition on the

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Liv Dems and I go no brief of the Liv

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Dems whatsoever but that was a you know

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that was the Tory tactic they can't do

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that anymore they've got a majority they

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can do what they like really so I think

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that's a POS postive in some respects

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and I and I and I think that the most

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important thing now for progressives in

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Britain is not to become too demoralized

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because uh if we allow ourselves to

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become demoralized then I think we're

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beaten there's an awful lot of very uh

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reactionary policies which are going to

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be coming through now which the majority

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of the British public don't support as

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you said only 24% supported Cameron and

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out of those how many actually knew what

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the policies were how many of those

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voted for Cameron because they were

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frightened uh by the so-called Scottish

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scare the Scottish scare mongering about

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the s P how many actually looked at the

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manifesto and I think so there's going

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to be a growing anger about this

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government in the months ahead and

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that's our opportunity uh to build a

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very strong Progressive opposition to

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this on several fronts we have to do it

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on several fronts speaking of Scotland

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um in the last government Cameron saved

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the union so-called how's it going to

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look like this this government well I

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mean that the big problem here is you've

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got the Scottish people have voted the

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majority of them uh well you know snps

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had a landslide there and they voted for

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a party uh that rejects everything that

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Cameron really stands for they're a

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Social Democratic party there to the

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left of Labour in Scotland and yet we've

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got a government in Westminster that's

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committed to austerity that is a proar

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neoconservative government we've got a

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lot of issues like Trident are going to

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come up if the British government tries

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to take us to war against Syria the

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people in Scotland quite opposed to that

586
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kind to those neocom policies so I think

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that's going to be uh an enormous uh

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recipe another referendum Scotland on

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its way out yes which would be therefore

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a very pic victory for David Cameron yes

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uh of the conservative and unionist

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party to preside over what looks now

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almost inevitable the uh partition of

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the country the loss of half of the land

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mass of the state that he was elected to

596
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be prime minister of last word uh are

597
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mardock and KW going to succeed in

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imposing their kind of labor leader on

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the labor party well I think that uh

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there is one school of thought which

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says that progressives can't be elected

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or can't be allowed to be elected as a

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British government unless you got the

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support of Rupert Murdoch and I think

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that's that and I noticed a tweet from a

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leading Murdoch uh uh journalist who was

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saying basically the Tweet was that you

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know served Ed B ban right he tried to

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take Murdoch on that would happened to

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him so there's a kind of warning people

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will look at that Labor uh challenges to

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the leadership candidates will look at

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that and may fear and the imated labor

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membership May well uh yes so that is a

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big danger but something's ought to be

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done about this we it's it's it's out I

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I think that unless we analyze the role

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of Murdoch and the media in this and

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work out solutions to this we aren't

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going to get the kind of uh progressive

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labor party that we all want I'm an ex-

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labor party member as you are yes we all

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are and we won't go back we want to see

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socialist policies policies that the

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people want and yet we got this m

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Murdoch trying to dictate what policies

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our party has well we'll see about that

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Neil Clark thanks as

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always and now it's your turn to tell us

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what you think through the portals of

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social media what's rling G great

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response on the election results Andy

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Hearn says about Labor that they went

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into an election with a leader that

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didn't look like a BM and carried a

636
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message that wasn't clear well that's

637
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absolutely right uh you you had to be a

638
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graduate in politics to pick up the

639
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Nuance of Ed Milan's radicalism and well

640
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as to what it looked like I thought the

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stumble on the eve of the election on

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the question time said it all I know I

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pity him and we receiv received this

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fantastic picture from Barbara quoting

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Mark Twain saying if voting made any

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difference they wouldn't let us do it

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very good well that's all that we've got

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for this week which alas means that's

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the end of the show stay in touch with

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